Poet and writer Javed Akhtar on Sahir Ludhianvi versus Majrooh Sultanpuri
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- I had what turned out to be a remarkable conversation with Javed Akhtar on my signature interview show 'Stars Aligned' on Bharat FM/Facebook live last night. This is a clip from that conversation about one of my favorite themes in Hindi cinema music--Sahir versus Majrooh, not that it is a contest. It is absolutely not. Nevertheless, दिल को बहलाने के लिए ख्याल अछ्छा है.
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Of course Majrooh Sultanpuri was a best lyricist but Sahir Ludhianvi couldn't be compared.I'm blessed to have friendship with Sahir Ludhianvi Ji. This is Javed Akhtar's best clarification about Sahir Ludhianvi's philosophical songs.
What a conversation! Javed sahab is always great to listen to.
It's not good to compare these 3 legends - Majrooh Sultanpuri sahab , Sahir Ludhianvi sahab & Shailendra sahab . But personally I feel Majrooh Sultanpuri sahab to be the best among all ( personal ) opinion . I have many reasons for my justification :-
Firstly , its not an easy task to understand the sentiments of all music directors & work accordingly . But Majrooh Sultanpuri sahab was enough capable to understand what type of lyrics will suit better in the music director's composition ( also the scene situation ) & accordingly write hit after hit songs . Many of the top singers of his times has many many hit numbers written by Majrooh Sultanpuri sahab only .
Secondly , it's not an easy task to simultaneously write songs for films & at the same time , writing Ghazals , Nazms , Shayaris etc. for poetry , both being successful .
Besides , there are many other reasons why I admire Majrooh Sultanpuri sahab . It was his song "Ae Dil Mujhe Aisi Jagah Le Chal..." that brought Talat Mahmood sahab to recognition in Bollywood as a playback singer . His songs from 'Teesri Manzil (1966)' helped Rahul Dev Burman sahab to establish as a very successful music director of Bollywood . His songs from 'Janta Hawaldar (1979)' helped singer Anwar sahab to establish further as a successful playback singer . Many music directors like S. Madan sahab , Usha Khanna'ji , Rajesh Roshan Lal Nagrath sahab , Anand-Milind sahabs had delivered hit songs from their very first Bollywood film as it was a belief that he could give hit lyrics for any new music directors & playback singers . Majority of the most famous songs of singers especially like Kishore Kumar sahab , Mohammed Rafi sahab , Asha Bhosle'ji , Geeta Dutt'ji & others had hit songs written by one & only Majrooh Sultanpuri sahab .
That is why , for me , Majrooh Sultanpuri sahab is the best lyricist . 🙂
my name is SHAILENDRA
@@harpar1028 Hi Shailendra ! 👋
Agree With You
@@praveenacharyapsa Thank you Praveen . 🙏😊
Greatly justified
The way the question was framed Javed Akhtar was like "ruk mai batata hu tujhe"
Listening Jawed Akhtar soothes our mind, ears, heart, eyes - in short all senses !
My personal favourite is Sahir Ludhianvi
This conversation should not be taken as a comparison as to who was better, but only to understand the difference in the style of these two great poets, Majrooh and Sahir.
Agreed. Hundred percent.
Majrooh Sultanpuri is the greatest lyricist of all the time as he had the longevity to last from the 40s to the millennium which is an impressive feat regardless.
Koi geetkar agar 43 years ki age me chala gaya to usko kaise dosh lagaye. Shailendra ki baat kar raha hoon
Bhai Aashish Nehra shailendra ji se nada koi geetkaar nahi
my name is SHAILENDRA
Majrooh is simply out of the question. The real battle is between Sahir and Shailendra.
To me majrooh was best of Indian film industry .he changed his style and line decade to decade 🙏🙏
There is no comparison with Majrooh Sahab's Shayri with any other lyricist.
If he had said just this one couplet he would still be bhari on all the lyricist put together.
Main Akela hi chala tha janeb e manzil magar
Log saath aate Gaye aur Caravan banta gaya
This one couplet has been quoted by so many esteemed people but most of all it has been quoted by our PM Modiji
No doubt Sahir is best …..not comparison with any others
शैलेंद्र वाकई गजब के थे , मगर साहिर का नशा , कमबख्त उतरता ही नहीं । उस दौर का ना - शायर भी आज के तथाकथित शायरों से कई दर्ज बेहतर है । मुझे लगता है कि उस दौर के शायर जिस रचना को बकवास समझ कर कूड़े में फेंक देते थे , वो , उस दौर का कचरा भी आज के सुनहरे साहित्य से बेहतर है ।
वाह! क्या बात कही आपने?
बहुत खूब।
Number 1 sahir 2 shailendra
आज भी अच्छे साहित्यकार है लेकिन मंच और ग्लैमर की राजनीति ने सारा कबाड़ा किया हुआ है,पहले इतनी राजनीति नहीं थी और अच्छे लोगों को आगे लाया जाता था लेकिन आजकल अच्छे लेखक और कलाकारों के खिलाफ साजिशें होती है और दोयम दर्जे के लोग ही आगे आ जाते हैं
it is always a honor to hear Javed Saab speak.
Yes shailendra was the greatest song /film writer of all time .
No way... it has to be Shakil Badayuni.
Of course no one can compete shailendra
bimal Roy salil choudhry s d barman and many other conniesurs were highly touched by the Gratest poet of all time Shailender
@@bitytooba4046nah sahir and shailendra were the best
As a lyricist Shailendra and Majrooh were great. Sahir as a poet was superb.
Sahir Ludhianvi’s Poetry & Philosophy in Literature & Bollywood history SHALL STAND TALL FOR EVER & EVER-- Einstein's quote about Mahatma Gandhi fits perfectly when applied towards Sahir Ludhianvi.“Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this ever in flesh and blood walked upon this earth." (said Einstein of Mahatma Gandhi--as answer to A question by A reporter). Sahir’s poetry & wisdom would shine on this earth long after we have perished. SAHIR= Wisdom of Aristotle+Brilliance of Einstein. Sahir Ludhianvi was FIRST A PHILOSOPHER who wrote poetry to convey his GOD GIVEN WISDOM & life experiences of his own to common man for his/her welfare in his poetry. Every word was carefully crafted & inserted in the right context to convey the true message from that great thinker for A given situation (issue facing common man under similar circumstances).Not even one other published poet in any language has addressed so many diverse issues facing the mortals in his/her work as Sahir has done in impeccable manner & forceful combination of words.
Long after we (mortals) have perished, immortal poetry by SAHIR would shine on this earth with light radiated by NEXT SUN after the demise of the present Sun--millions of years from today.
Just one couplet of Majrooh Sahab is enough to last generations n generations. Every important person has quited it
Main Akela hi chala tha janeb e manzil magar
Log saath aate Gaye aur Caravan banta gaya
Both were great but majhrooh Sahab was so versatile
Majrooh is I think on top....Dosti songs example
Not to be compared. Majrooh was prolific, more accessible and (almost) thus, having less literary value.
Sahir was a poet for universal literary connoisseurs.
Aapne majrooh ki ghazalein nhi padhi shayad
@@vinayaksoni6542 Yes I have. Not a lot, but a bit.
@@ribusgan majrooh sultanpuri sahityik paridrishy se bahut hi aala maqaam pe hai , Literary values ki jahaan tak baat hai .
@@vinayaksoni6542 I'll try to review my views of him. Anyway in any form of art, the consumer of art has specific choices that aren't always reason based. I found Janab Sahir to be very profound in a bigger way, while Majrooh to be more emotionally intense. In the norm of North Indian literature, emotion or jazbaat is more valued, and thus I totally defer to your views about Majrooh Sahaab. For that matter, I like Shailandra ji quite a bit.
@@ribusgan no no , you are misinterpreting . I am a huge fan of sahir Saab . But majrooh's literary values were great .
Sahi kaha javed saheb aapne,lekin hum shakeel badayuni ko bhi nhi bhul sakte hai jinhone golden era me apne geeto se tuti bulwai hai,,
In Bollywood this great poet dominated for about 40 years. He produced A movie but for his movie production he asked Sahir to write lyrics. And one immortal song from that movie is "Hum intezar karenge tera qayamat tak--khuda kare ke qayamat ho aur tu aye"
Another movie producer had lyrics written by Majrooh & movie flopped & producer sustained massive loss. For his next movie the producer went to Majrooh & requested if under the situation for 2 songs in his next movie he could give producer A little break on the fee. Majrooh angrily blurted "Gaane 2 hon yaa 9-- his fee is his full fee".The producer(Saawan Kumar Tak) said to himself "Teri galiyon mein Na Ayenge aaj ke baad" & quickly walked off into the street disappointed & disgusted. The same producer started writing lyrics for his future movies himself & used that line in his next movie as A hit song.
Rabindranath Tagore won Nobel prize for his poetry & on a scale of 1 to 100, in my humble opinion, he scores about 30.On the same scale Sahir scores A billion if not more.That is my 2 cents in this discussion. Sahir =Wisdom of Aristotle + brilliance of Einstein--IN ONE IMMORTAL MAN COMPOSING IMMORTAL POETRY, Let poetry be judged by core content (defined as philosophy & wisdom inside the poetry).
Why taking tagore's name in between. You cannot gadge tagore's writing. He is always above all. Idiotic that you gave 30 out of 100.
a total blurred
Strangely the same Producer signed Majrooh Sahab for Sajan ki Saheli wonder why? When you accuse Majrooh Sahab then you should give complete details.
Good discussion. Majrooh and Sahir has their place in Literature. Shakil, Kaifi, Hasrat, Rajindra Krishan, Shailendra etc have written beautiful simple lyrics
Sahir was far ahead of Majrooh, if majrooh was more prolific it does'nt matter much bcz SAHIR was more selective in his work n also died earlier, Majrooh was more of professional n lived longer. Sahir was the 1 n the only having the capability 2 express his inner-most feelings in the most impressive manner, his poems like Taj Mahal, n others bear testimony 2 his great literary potential. His lyrics in CHITERLEKHA, written in hindi diction r considered as a masterpiece. In my opinion Rajinder Krishen was better in song writing then Majrooh.
I would request also give some picture of Hasrat Jaipuri sahab.
Shailendra ji was the greatest lyricist
" hurray"
All 3 were greats, but enjoyed the conversation by Javed Akhtar & the other one
I beg to differ. Both were great poets, but after reading the works of Sahir, I guess Sahir was much above Majrooh in all respects... regards 😊 Dr Ashok Patnaik
It's nice to know Javed saab's views
Sahi hai....Sahair Saab ka koi jawab nahi🙏🏻
Hearing lyrics from 1930s songs till 2000 I always rated the following
1) Hasrat Jaipuri & Shailendra
2) Shakeel Badayuni
3) Sahir Ludhiyanvi
4) Majrooh Sultanpuri
5) Reza Mehndi Ali Khan
6) Rajinder Krishna
7) Shamshul Huda Bihari
8) Qamar Jalalabadi
9) Gulshan Bawra
10) Hassan Qamaal
11) Sharyaar
12) Nida Fazli
13) Kaifi Azmi
14) Neeraj
15) Gulzaar
16) Jaan Nisaar Akhthar
17) Shamim Jaipuri
18) Verma Malik
19) Pandit Vishveshwar Sharma
20) Bal Kavi Bairaagi
21) Kavi Pradeep
22) Prem Dhawan
23) Asad Bhopali
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Later there were very good lyricists like Qateel Shifai, Rahat Indori, Yogesh Gaud, Gauhar Kanpuri, Zafar Gorakhpuri, Surendra Sathe, Rani Malik, Faiz Anwar, Zameer Qazmee, Dev Kohli, Deepak Chowdhury, Madan Pal, Manohar Iyer, Shyam Anuragi, etc in the 90s.Even Anwar Sagar and Maya Gobind had good songs.
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Not included Anand Bakshi Sameer Indivar Anjaan P K Mishra Mehboob etc because they caused severe deterioration of the grade of words. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Clearly, you have thought about this a lot. It is heartening to know that you are so plugged in. Of course, eventually lyrics are a matter of subjective tastes. You have a compelling list. Thank you for the response.
@@MayankChhaya 🙏🙏🙏
@@MayankChhaya given a choice any day I would like to be a lyricist. But I always want my pen to write poetry level or shaayari, not tukhbandhi like Anaand bakshi and sameer. 😌😌😌
Javed Saab a great orator.
Big thanks for this wonderful video
Thanks for uploading this
Thank you for watching, Nandini.
Sahir saheb
Thank you for this video ♥️
Both were highly talented.My only pain is that partnership of Sahir and SDB should have continued. Just imagine Gumrah song ' Chalo ek bar phir se ajnabi' tuned by Dada Burman and voice of Rafi Sahab.You can only imagine and hold your breath.But history has its own style. Let me hasten to add that Ravi also did well with Sahir but he had his limitations.SDB _sahir combination was unique.But big men have their own idiosyncrasies.
Chopra camp rafi shab se nahi gavate the otherwise raviji bhi rafiji se hi ye gaana gavana chahte the
Sir chalo ek baar phir se song sung by mahindra kapoor
The song was composed by Ravi
@@hasanurrahman5908 Gumrah songs were no doubt composed by Ravi. Prior to that natural teaming of S D Burman was with Sahir, say Jaal, Pyasaa etc .If evergreen song of Sahir ' Chalo Ek Bar' would have been a composition of SDB with Rafi , the outcome could be ethereal. That's why I meant.
this song is tuned by Ravi and sung by Mahender Kapoor. Kindly check credits before posting anything.
‘Guide’ film ka jo antara Javed Saab ne bataya vo film ya gaane me hai nahi
Sahir was better.
Sahiir Ludhianvi is 👍😃👍😃
IMHO
Overall(all round)- Majrooh Sultanpuri sir
Progressive (Fiery) ghazals - Majrooh Sultanpuri sir
Nazms - Sahir Ludhianvi sir
Romantic Ghazals/songs - Shakeel Badayuni sir
Simple lyrics - Shailendra sir
Gapoochi Gapoochi gum gum..was no less frivolous song penned by Sahir
Great Shailendra........
You missed the point, great poet like Javed saheb can actually explain in this detailed way. The point is that all are great and have their special place, cause such greats cannot be measured with one yardstick. The point on Shailendra saheb is actually great cause the more I pay attention I get more from such simple words and so is the case with Sahir Saheb and Majrooh Saheb has played the longest innings with incredible success. Just enjoy them all and don’t fall into the trap
بھائی آپ لوگوں میں اتنا حوصلہ کہاں سے آجاتا ہے کہ ساحر لُدھیانوی اور مجروح سُلطان پوری کا موازنہ اور مُقابلہ کرنے لگ جاتے ہیں۔
Please make a video on Anand Bankshi sahab
मेरा मानना है साहीर बहोत ही अच्छे थे ;लेकिन क्वालिटी और क्वोनटीटी दोनों को मद्दे नझर मजरूह उनसे काफी आगे थे ।
दस्तक की गझल ..".. मजरूह लिख रहें है वो अहले वफाका नाम ;
हभ ही खडे है गुनेहगार की तरह ....
Not really. Sahir had a better connectivity. Man re tu kahe na dheer dhare is anyday better than ham hai mata e kucha o
Great discussion and talk
Mr. Ansari, thank you very much.
किसको मुजरिम समझे कोई
साहिर के इस गीत से सूरदास की कुछ पंक्तियाँ याद आ गई।
' एक लोहा पूजा में राखत ,एक घर बधिक पारो,
यह दुविधा पारस नहीं जानत, कंचन करत खरो।
Sahir is so head and shoulders above Majrooh that I don't even want to debate that. But that's not why I'm writing this comment. The word in Bade Mian Deewane song that you're alluding to is teddi - locust - and not dandy. Locusts are known to swoop upon paddy fields and wreak havoc . That's how Joy Mukherjee is urging IS Jowhar to sweep beautiful women off their feet.
Mr. Hussain, Thank you so much for your response. Based on your explanation I have no hesitation in acknowledging that it seems I may be wrong about the use of the word dandy. I still keep hearing dandy because the theme of the whole song is about how to develop a swag.
That said, my contention is not based on this single expression but a whole body of Majrooh Sultanpuri's work. It is essential to bear in mind that I am talking about a Hindi lyricist in this context and not a poet, which incidentally both excelled at. Hindi cinema lyrics as you well know are a different ballgame altogether. Nevertheless, this is just a matter of fun opinion and not a deeply scholastic conversation. It is lovely of you to take the trouble. Cheers.
Thank you, Mayank ji! As I said I don't want to be a part of this debate which for me is a nonstarter because Sahir , in my view, is far far superior to Majrooh both as a poet and as a lyricist. But still, let me add something here. I think among lyricists who have a considerable body of work, only Shakeel can match Sahir in quality, range and depth. In the fifties and the sixties, Indian cinema had a number fantastic lyricists. Shakeel and Sahir, for me, top the chart by a big mile.
Mr. Hussain, Fair enough. For me, in the end poetry is not and must not be quantifiable. Actually Hindi cinema has no peers in producing song writers of such extraordinary merit anywhere in the world. This was a charming back and forth. Cheers and my best.
Can someone tell me which is that Shailendra song Javed saheb mentioned pls…
Thank you for watching. The Shailendra song from which he quotes is the classic Wahan kaun hai tera. czcams.com/video/haO0ucjvxeo/video.html
@@MayankChhaya well in this song Yehan kaun hai tera.. there is no line on Sapera as mentioned by Javed Saheb, please correct me if I missed it, thanks for your reply
Got it ..True Darshan of great lyricst, thanks to your question to Javed Saheb!
toone to sabko
raah bataayi
tu apni manzil kyun bhaalaa
suljha ke raaja
hahahaha
auron ki uljhan
kyun kachche dhaagon mein jhoolaa
kyun kachche dhaagon mein jhoolaa
kyun naache sapera
kyun naache sapera
musaafir
jaayegaa kahaan
dam lele ghadi bhar,
ye chhaiyyaan,
paayegaa kahaan
wahaan kaun hai teraa
ho
ho ho ho
musaafir
tu jaayegaa kahaan
@@bombaytalkies6836 That is true but I am baffled. I thought I heard it in there too. Perhaps it was in the extended play. If I find it, I will tag you.
@@MayankChhaya czcams.com/video/zrEqXpyr46g/video.html
I think both were good. But Anand Bakshi was the common man poet.
haa bhai.. mere bhi sabse jyada fav. bakshi sahab he
आनंद बख़्शी के कुछ तो बहुत उम्दा गीत थे लेकिन कुछ उतनी अच्छी नहीं
मसलन
मुहब्बत अब तिजारत हो गयी है तिजारत अब मुहब्बत हो गयी है
@@sanjaysiddhartha7569 jindagi k safar me gujar jaate he... kuchh to log kahenge... chitthi na koi sandesh... orr bahot se geet he unke har geet me mayne hote he..
@@sanjaysiddhartha7569 mohabbat ab tijarat bhi meaningful song he
Shailendra ke jaisa common man poet nhi h koi
Wese to golden era me sabhi best they,but ek poet hona accha hai agar woh poet k sath sath lyricist hai to bahut badi baat hai jo shakeel badayuni saheb me thi,shailendra,rajindra krishan sabhi acche lyricist they
Thumbnail me chatur hai 😀✌🏻
again, majrooh did not use the word 'dandy' but used the word 'todi'. In british times indians who were chamchas of british were called 'todi baccha'
Shailendra sahab ❤❤❤chote se ghar mai garib ka beta ...mai bhi hu maa k naseeb ka beta ....❤❤❤
Not agreed at all.. Majrooh Ji was the most versatile lyricist of all time, Sahir Ji was not as versatile as Majrooh Ji.
The man who wrote jaane walo zara (Dosti), mai ri kase kahun (Dastak), ik din bik jayega (Dharam Karam), hume tumse pyar kitna (Kudrat) and many more.. all are different from one another, so it is difficult to identify Majrooh Ji's songs.... That's why his writing was so versatile
@resaa78 Majrooh Ji has the phenomenal ability to write the lyric on the composition of the tune on the other hand Sahir Ji demand the music composer to compose the music according to his lyric, may be this could be the reason that music maestro like Naushad, Shankar - Jaikishan, Ghulam Mohammad had never used Sahir Ji's poem.... Majrooh Ji's versatility can't be compared with anyone.
@resaa78 According to you, what you consider a "special talent"? Do you have any parameter to judge which is special and which is ordinary talent? Please describe.
@@ImranKhan-zb2hd suno jake manre tu kahe na dhir dhare,dukhi man mere,kabhi khud pe kabhi halat,ye dil tum bin,jane wo kaise log the,ye duniya agr mil bhi ,jo baat tujh mein hai,maine sayad pehele bhi,ye geet koi likh sakta hai,aur rahi baat versatality ki to ,sar jo tera chakraye, udi jab jab zulfein,choolene do najuk ,mere dil mein aaj kya hai,ye geet likha hai unhone
@@ImranKhan-zb2hd aur popular to koi bhi ho sakta hai ,to batao anand bakhshi kya shailendra se jyada achhe the ya sahir se unhone kam gaane likhe ,iska matlab ye nahi ki wo mojrooh aur anand bakhshi se bure the
Kyun Naache Sapera? Wah Shailendra Sahib.
जावेद सा'ब यह couplet कैसे भूल गये .........कहेते हैं ज्ञानी ;दुनिया है फानी ;पानी पे लिखी लिखाइ .......
है सबकी देखी ;है सबकी जानी ; हाथ किसीके न आइ .......
Sahir, shailendra,sajjad ,sachindeb, all time great
मेरी समज के हिसाब से नंबर 1 पर शैलेन्द्र और राजेन्द्र किशन दोनों साथ बैठेंगे ।नं 2 पर (क्वोनटीटी और क्वालिटी दोनों को साथ देखा जाय तो 2 )नंबर पर मजरूह साब बैठेंगें उनके बाद साहिर सा'ब । राजा महेदी अली सा'ब ; जां निसार अख्तर ; द्वारिका नाथ मधोक ;प्रेम धवन ; अपने अपने जमाने के हिसाब से अच्छे धे । उनके बाद आनंद बक्षी साबने तो शायद सभी रेकोर्ड तोड दिये ।
जावेद अख्तर काफी अच्छा लिखते है ।गुलज़ार घटिया है ; सिर्फ तुकबंदी ................
कुल मिलाकर 10/ 15 गाने अच्छे नीकलेंगे ।
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It appeared here three years ago. czcams.com/video/b08kAASLiEo/video.html
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The worst song Sahir ever wrote was "Ab chaahe sarr phhutthe ya mathha" In the 1972 movie DAAG. I never expected him to go as low as Anand Bakshi level of third class lyrics. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Film lyricist cannot be poet. He has to write in character's language and according to the situation. Not his own ideas. Majrooh was/is greatest film lyricist. Sahir was poet
Superb analysis. His USP was to write on the metre, according to the character.
Sahir apne fan ka admi tha. Vo ek hi tha.
Anad Baxi was the best
Koi muqabala na krein,. Dino azeem the
आखिर आज इतना काहे उमड़ पड़े हैं साहिर पर आप ?
Javed saab galat logic de rahe hai
Only SD Burman and RD Burman have worked with all three Sahir Shailendra and Majrooh!