Jon Bernthal On Toxic Masculinity | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend
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For someone who plays gruff, aggressive characters, JB remains one of the most thoughtful, charismatic, and genuine guys I've seen in showbiz. We need more Jon Bernthals in the world
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
There are a few more like Norman Reedus and Keanu Reeves.
@@kroanosm617 norman, another cuck-like similar to jon (not in the sexual aspect)
A true role model for young men. Don't have to be an over the top prick like most males in today's media.
@@Scalper-Scotty he is a cuck (not in the sexual aspect)
The way he said “…someone’s who’s just SAD” tells me he’s a really empathetic guy
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
That's growth from a wise perspective
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Yeah that's what you need when you car has a flat tire in the rain, empathy. NO, someone needs to sack up and change the tire.
@@AFuller2020 you can have empathy and know how to change a tire. That is what he was saying.
This is perfect advice for life. The one's who are screaming the loudest and trying to show off their idea of masculinity are the most afraid and insecure of us all.
In my experience, the people who are the most secure never have to tell you about it, and certainly don't need to proclaim themselves loudly to be "alpha males". It's the same thing that actual "nice guys" are never going to need to tell you they are nice guys. It's about trying to convince people that they are a thing, to create a perception, rather than just being that thing which is actually far less work.
They do say confidence is quiet
@@shanouboubou That's horseshit. Confidence is able to be quiet, and able to be loud. And generally, it is loud.
Only two types of people are loud, confident people who know they can handle the attention, and narcissists who know they can make themselves look like the confident people.
Think about it logically, how could being loud be a way for an insecure narcissist to make themselves look confident, if it wasn't something confident people actually do? How can you pretend to be confident by being loud, if confident people are quiet?
@@thecartoonrobot so true
@@thecartoonrobot "Speak softly and carry a big stick" - TR
Seeing Jon’s personality really makes you appreciate his acting. He’s so soft at times, and then you see Frank Castle, and it’s like, oh.
Same thing with Danny Trejo. He's a lovable grandpa but he grew up in that darkness and knows why that doesn't work.
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
Frank Castle isn’t who all of the douchebags with Punisher stickers on their lifted trucks thinks he is
I remember discovering astronaut Jonny Kim on a Star Trek anniversary podcast. This guy has a ridiculous resume being a Navy SEAL, sniper, doctor, pilot. He is all smiles and comes off as a super friendly science guy that can wow the kids being an astronaut. He's on Jocko's podcast, and the military operator comes out, I'm like "whoah!".
I just saw him in _King Richard_ and he kills it as the charming extroverted tennis instructor who's on the brink of a nervous breakdown
Similar to Keanu Reeves, Jon Bernthal knows how to act like a scary badass but in reality is an all-around nice person to be around. Very kind, very empathetic
that's really neat.
How has he not been cast in a John Wick movie?
@@GcD9179 too much toxic masculinity in those films
You can be badass and a nice person at the same time🏴☠️
@@EarthtoAdam95 that's what is meant by killing with kindness
Im always surprised by how humble and kind Jon is
That compliments his acting
He knocked someone out that almost didn’t wake up, it would humble anyone
@@hoshkotheboy yup,that story was crazy
Jon comes across like a pulp-beat slimebag who decided one day to be better and did exactly that.
@@jake_mk_0314 Yea just not on Gigilo it's awful
People need to stop worrying about masculinity and femininity and just focus on character.
Hear hear. Well said.
The ones who talk the most about masculinity and femininity are the ones who say masculinity is toxic and femininity is flexible.
You've missed the point.
@@DukeOfArrakis He got the point, he just disagrees with it.
@@44excalibur no he really didn't get the point.
Dude is desperately describing human decency in a way that tells me that society is failing him and his children on that idea. He seems like an absolute gem.
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
@@namedasurname3968 I don’t actually possess any kind of dominion over fire, so when something burns down, I am forced to accept it, so...
@@MrJasonmunoz no, you understand and accept that filthy narrative... so delusional that you cannot admit to have been scammed, and how all your donations went for a mansion.
@@namedasurname3968 I made no donations. Get help.
@@MrJasonmunoz Hmmm this would be against the narrative that you all made during the summer of riots.... Being scammed by those frauds is just one of the many things you all deserve after accepting to let cities burn...
the masculinity he instills on his children is healthy, be strong and tough and independent, because you need to be able to take care of yourself well so you can help others, it's not about being the most dominant person in the room, but to be the kindest and most reliable, someone people can lean on when they need to
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
Being strong and tough are not masculine attributes, I know many more strong and tough women than men. Talking about major life issues, not a bar fight.
@@lucianoluggren Yes indeed they are. If they are not, then what is a masculine trait? Just being a trait can be found in both sexes does not mean that trait can't be gendered. It's simply a matter of conducing enough studies to determine which trait is more commonly found in which sex. Outliers mean very little. There is a reason why it's ALWAYS men who risk their lives to save strangers across the entire globe. That's not an accident. That's not social conditioning. Is it that hard to understand that the sex that's primarily bigger, less prone to injuries, denser bones and muscles, produces more testosterone, is more likely to be tough? Really? lol
If I tell you smoking can cause cancer, do you rebut with "oh but my grandpa smoked and he's fine!"
Aholes love empathy, it takes more than wokeness to deal with em.
@@atgrandfathersknee3065absolutely no. Is not ALWAYS the male that saves others, in fact there are thousands of women that throughout history already proved you wrong. As a man I always hated how "being tough", "working hard", "provide for the family" is always seen as a "masculine" thing or something specifically attached to a "man", because it's simply not true. In fact Is the quite opposite, since being a straight white man is the gratest privilege you can have means that a woman is most likely work 10x harder just to achieve the same thing because we still live in a patriarchy society. Because virtues are not maschuline trait, but human traits (something that apperently we all forgot).
I don't know what kind of cave in alaska are you stuck in, but I would highly suggest to go out and meet some women.
Jon's smitten by Conan. You can tell from each of his appearances that he really appreciates him.
Oh calm down there
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
That’s the way he is watch his podcast he’s very genuine
Agreed! it's a good collaboration
Hating is easy, the path of least resistance. Empathizing and accepting the unfamiliar takes actual strength.
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Is this your way to make ppl watch that trash Rings of Power??? I’m gonna hate it still don’t change me 😅
- Gigachad, 2022
Abuse is unfamiliar. I'm glad it's strength that I sit down and accept it. Hate isn't always weakness, and acceptance isn't always strength. grow up and chuck the mantras
@@NYD666 yes edgleord, I will do what you say. Get fucked, chief.
I remember talking to a therapist about why I was struggling to reach out and form romantic relationships that lasted longer than a few months, and he managed to single out something very crucial. It turned out that the issue wasn't because of anything particularly harmful. My parents came from another country where toxic masculinity was rampant. I'd never heard my father call my mother by her first name in my entire life. I never saw them showing each other open displays of affection. So I legitimately just didn't know how to maintain a relationship with significant signs of affection to my partners. They would break it off, not because they disliked me, but because to them it just seemed like I wasn't very interested or committed.
Toxic masculinity doesn't just hurt your partners. It hurts your children, too.
Women show those traits, so its not really toxic masculinity is it?
@@theyautjawarrior6652 It's not associated with women generally which is why the generalized name. However, nothing prevents any human from doing anything harmful to another human. There are no limits in that regard - gender, race, religion, philosophy, etc. But, since most people associate "less visible feelings" with men, that's why this trait is considered a toxic masculine one. A toxic feminine trait would be a trait traditionally associated with women that has negative impacts. For example, women are sometimes known to be super competitive with each other over guys or outfits - that would be toxic.
It's just that toxic femininity doesn't tend to have the same kind of harsh outcomes that toxic masculinity does so people mostly talk about toxic masculinity as it pertains to societal problems like job wage inequality or rape.
@@MrBrock314 Wage inequality and toxic masculinity have nothing to do with each other, and lots of women rape, also sometimes being competitive with other people is a good thing
A Woman’s goal is to seek out long term relationships ours is to spread our seed. There is nothing wrong with being a man. I’m tired of this culture saying it’s a bad thing to be a man and men eating it up.
@@garette.1214 If your only goal in life is to spread your seed that's a little depressing dude
Nobody is saying something is wrong with being a man, I'm saying that the idea that a man should try to be incredibly stoic and hide their emotions is a stupid old stereotype that should have been left behind years ago. Covering up your emotions doesn't make you strong, it makes you too afraid to be honest with the people around you. Strength is accepting your flaws and understanding they are a part of you no matter what.
I like that famous people are finally starting to talk about musculinity in positive way
Because not all forms of masculinity are toxic, that is just the perception that people have, he even pointed out an example of toxic masculinity, the blow hard that brags about being the number one tough guy it's a great example of toxic masculinity, because real men are not men of loud words they are men of action, to stand up for the little guy and protect people that can't protect themselves is a positive form of masculinity
@@onamattapeeya facts like those men make masculinity look horrible, but it is important to keep those classic values of upholding that strong image for the betterment of yourself while connecting on more emotional and emphatic levels that are equally as important for society as men. People like Andrew Tate are horrible for young men like me, but there are also slight aspects of truth that can make society ever evolving in a positive way.
@@everythinglakers1713 now that is perspective that is new to me because I was a teenager when Nirvana hit, and there was a lot of toxic masculinity , but it's important for people to distinguish between the negative and positive aspects of masculinity, standing up for the little guy or speaking up for what's right is never toxic, and it is not even exclusively masculine it is just a common trait that decent people share, almost every rule, every law, and every religion can be boiled down to one simple statement, don't be a jerk...
As they should. Young men are killing themselves at a higher rate than ever before because they have been condemned for being men and have no idea who they are supposed to be.
@@onamattapeeya The whole toxic masculinity conversation id rubbish
Jon's awesomeness knows no bounds.He's just the most down to earth guy I've ever heard speak
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
Jon Bernthal has been a favourite ever since the first episode of The Walking Dead. His performance as Shane was on point, and he's SO GOOD at portraying conflicted, complex characters.
I hope to see him reprise his role as Frank Castle in The Punisher in a near future.
Agreed, Shane was my favorite character because he felt so REAL to the situation they were in. Andrea (I think that was her name) too, and I stopped watching after she was killed off through stupidity. Both felt like actual humans experiencing the situation, where most characters felt like...well comic book characters, which is what they essentially are. Graphic novels, at least of the era TWD came out, were still very much marketed almost exclusively to comic book fans, so the characters still fit tropes. I mean, come on, chick with a nodachi with 2 zombies on chains...that is 100% comic book. But Shane? Felt like a real person.
I think exactly the same. That was first time I saw him on screen and immediately knew he was gonna be a big actor. He's just a good person who has his head screwed on the right way and is an unbelievable actor, and i'm sure family man. Crazy where he is now compared to that first episode of the walking dead.
@@Nick-hi9gx Season 2 was my favorite, but not the best. If u stopped watching after Andrea was killed, u missed some good TV
I love him in American Gigolo!
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
This guy is an example of healthy and mature masculinity
He's an example of a paid shill.
@@yarpenzigrin1893
I mean you know. He is a …. You know what I mean😂
@@Dionysos- Oy vey!
@@yarpenzigrin1893
Oy gevalt!😂
@@Dionysos- 🎵You're gonna hang like Benito from the Esso Rafters, hang like Clara with her skull caved in🎵
And then You're gonna do what Papa Adolph did when he saw what happened to them
To me it seems like the problem isn't being too Masculine or Feminine, it's defining certain skills or traits as "masculine" or "feminine". I've known dudes that'll move you to tears with their poetry and I've known chicks who can hunt and fish with the best of them... I say just let people do what they want and don't get so concerned with labels. Like Jon says, it's about being a well rounded individual, open to any new experiences... and other than that, just treat people how you want them to treat you. It's not that hard.
💯! We all need both categories in our personalities in order to be a functioning, happy adult!
Its no wonder this guy was so good as the Punisher. He embraces the positives of classic masculinity but is all too aware of where people end up going way too far and embracing the darker more negative elements, which is what the Punisher is.
If only the punisher sticker on the ram truck crowd were capable of seeing that (or anything at all)
Jon came into my recent job and I served him and he was so kind! Love to see it
Hope you gave him a happy ending 😂
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
This was beautiful. It doesn't have to be a false dichotomy. You can be disciplined, tough, self reliant, and know how to defend yourself but also be humble, kind, considerate, mindful. I 100% agree with him and that's how I want to raise my son. Every interview I see him on he seems like such a cool dude.
I'm an 18 year old carpenter's apprentice, this last weekend I crashed my car, and the next day my 13 year old dog died. I'm working out of town (2 hours away from my home) and while I was talking to the journeyman I always work with about my situation and let him know I was thinking about asking to be taken off the job, he told me it's a man's place to take those feelings and shove them deep inside yourself, and push on for the sake of being a man. I was starting to tear up a bit but remained calm and he told me don't let anyone see you cry or they'll know you're a p*ssy. I'm very confident in my idea of masculinity and his comments haven't impacted me too deeply because I have strong male role models in my life that speak similiarly to John here. I'm continuing with the job but also seeking professional assistance as I'm starting to feel very overwhelmed. My point is that understanding and reflecting on what true masculinity is, is extremely important for young men and by extension knowing that it is okay to properly grieve, and experience emotions in general. I love hearing people be this genuine
One of the most powerful images of Jon is him standing with the trans flag behind him. That image speaks 1000 words. It shows that he is open to everyone, willing to take on new ideas, stand up for others, doesn't let his insecurities project on others... so much. To have a man like Jon, the typical hyper-masculine figure, stand in front of that flag... it shows that compassion for others and empathy, is ALSO a masculine trait because that should be a fundamentally HUMAN trait.
this is why he is my favorite actor, he knows what's right from wrong where to show authority to people and where to be respectful, he's such a genuine person and we need more men like this in the world, and I'm saying this as a guy and I know we aren't all great but we need to be better
And what about toxic femininity? Do women need to be better too?
@Nick Foster I think you may be confusing that with misandry and yes that is definitely another problem but stop acting like just cus women got problems doesn't mean we don't need to fix ours. Especially when those problems are already not commonly accepted as tolerable.
This rule should also apply to women: yes we exist and we give the example too: but rarely do others listen.
But we are here.
So great to hear someone speak openly about his concerns and his efforts to educate well rounded children in touch with those ideas we consider traditionally "masculine" and expressing an outright need for the "feminine" side and skill base and how a refusal to experience or express the feminine side is borne of fear and dissociation with their own fullest identity and humanity
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
@@namedasurname3968 Can you please elaborate? I am not clear what you are trying to communicate and need a bit more to understand
@@rugbybeef Uh, you already forgot when you all accepted cities to be burned in the name of equality and peace...
Trust me bro: you'll be much better off if you express the need for the feminin side in the form of a girlfriend or a wife, and experience it in her, rather than in yourself. And it is a must if you want to have the very children who you can then educate in the first place. Traditional masculinity is what got all of your male ancestors laid throughout history.
@@urhunn7778 Right, because there have never been any women attracted to artists... Jon's mention of Samurai was perfect. I believe we are more confident and attractive humans when we are well rounded. It goes both ways too, I know plenty of men who like a woman that's ok getting her hands dirty.
Well-versed and nuanced parents are the key to creating a human who is in touch with every aspect of the human experience. I thank my parents every day for teaching me this every day and I’m sure John Bernthal’s kids probably feel the same way
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
To a degree, however a snake doesn’t need to be taught how to bite, it’s simply in their nature.
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One of the things I've always loved about Bernthal's acting is how he can portray toughness or even brutality just as well as vulnerability, often at the same time, such as in "Wind River," "Fury," or "The Accountant." It's very easy to believe he has high emotional intelligence and regard for the importance of feelings.
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
He does that in "The Punisher", too! The character as portrayed by Bernthal is a very broken and violent man, but he still can be vulnerable and sensitive.
I remember feeling almost ashamed while watching Wind River and realizing I had unfairly stereotyped his character.
@@Beverly_Dingus That's such a good way of putting it. I now realize I had the same experience and feeling but had never framed it that way before.
Brax: Did you ever see a match-grade round travelling three thousand feet per second go through a window?
[guard standing near window drops dead as shot shatters glass]
Brax: Nobody does.
So right on... it takes courage and strength to be empathetic, in touch with your emotions and to care about other people. That's not for the weak... it takes no strength to be apathetic, cruel or pessimistic.
Jon's interview with Shia Leboeuf was the best I have ever seen. So many nuggets of wisdom, so much humility and introspection.
Was that before or after Shia’s whole scandal etc.?
@@corpsefoot758 after. it was pretty recent actually
@@corpsefoot758 After. He even admits what a POS he was and all the bad things he did. The first step in any self growth.Then the story of the father and son and how the father couldn't call it.. just incredible.
After watching that interview. I concluded that Shia is just a very lost boy. And he is taking his first steps into adulthood. It's weird to see a full grown man having to go through the stuff most people go through between the ages of 12-16. There wasn't much wisdom to be found. But a lot of humility and introspection for sure.
@@glp.1337 " I concluded that Shia is just a very lost boy. And he is taking his first steps into adulthood" Freakin well said! Some men go through their whole lives not ever growing up.
I think I accidentally learned the importance of kindness early and what true kindness is. I got bullied alot and I used to just wonder why. And you know I'd come home to my parents and ask and my parents would say it's because they mistake my kindness for weakness. I was respectful and didn't horseplay and wasn't aggressive. So my kind attitude had them mistake me for a wimp. Well eventually I learned where to draw lines and when it's appropriate to be stern and when you should be kind. But I learned the difference and I think it's important. A lot of people really do equate kindness with weakness but it's not. It often takes strength to stop someone from hurting another person. It takes strength of character to know when someone is hurting and asking or trying to find a way to help. Not everyone wants to deal with people's problems. But yea there are many postive traits in masculinity but of course if used wrong well you can get the negatives. Just depends.
I think one of the biggest lessons anyone can learn is that being able to cry is an incredibly powerful skill
I agree but I also think that sometimes you have to accept that you have sadness and that your life hasn't been what you want, and to accept that as part of your life. Crying is good when you need to let it out. Sometimes it gets too much. But a better thing to do it to write out how you feel. That can get your thoughts into words and not just swimming in your head.
the best men are the ones who do their best to love, protect, provide and teach their kids true right from wrong a man who stays humble and doesn't lose themselves to pride and arrogance a man who commits to staying focused always on what is important to him and keeping it safe, thriving and surviving.
He's a good role model with his message, good strong men are more needed than weak men to counter evil men, it doesn't have to be toxic
Absolutely
Conan and Jon are two genuine people. Refreshing
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so.... s
isn't it great to see & hear a discussion that isn't full of woke virtue signalling BS
I always thought his voice was naturally as rough as he does it in the Punisher. Cool to see just how much of a transformation that performance actually was
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
@@namedasurname3968 is this a quote? Or just a very bizarre and unrelated comment about politics?
@@bleachedbonez Well, not like the slogan that you all said 2 years ago... how it was? "Burn loot murder"? Hmmm no, still the summary of all your action was that
@@namedasurname3968 Is this a bot or did you just not read my comment? Where did I mention my political stance?
@@bleachedbonez Could you be otherwise? dude, you labeled as fascist whoever didn't burn cities / supported the burning of cities, so...
Big ups big ups! This was Gr8!
Let’s keep seeking that balance!
Being strong means being able to confront yourself, not others.
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....e
Both, actually.
Jon stayed at a hotel that I worked front desk at, I took the chance to tell him that he was doing an amazing job as The Punisher. He said, "Thank you" and shook my hand.
There is maybe not one celebrity that I would love to be friends with more. He seems like such a nice guy, a really cool dude to work with from what it sounds like, and just an all-around good dude.
My wife is the strongest human I know. She had a terrible medical event in mexico just recently and I think we all need support and love one another. Bless to you all. I know you are all fine, but I hope the best to u all. Mailbox is still available conan.
I love this. Real strong men care for those that can’t take care of themselves. Protect the weak and lift up those that can’t lift up themselves. Real men lift up others. They don’t punch down on others.
Agreed 💯💯 more young folks need to hear this.
Wow! I salute Jon for his honest opinion on role models for the modern male. I'm 40 years old and live in the Philippines I don't experience this "toxic masculinity" issue you have in the west. So I feel for my fellow "men" stay true and stay strong. Embrace masculinity but also take note what Jon said - be nice, be empathetic and stand up for those who have less!
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
This simply means that you, the men of the Philippines are lucky, because you did not have rabid Feminists ramming Feminism down your throats 24/7 during the last 40 years... We do not really have a "toxic masculinity" issue in the West, because "toxic masculinity" does not exist. It is just a made up Feminist buzzword that is being used to demonize and demoralise men. An advice to you men of the Philippines from me, a man who grew up in the West without ever being asked if he wants to live in a Feminist society or not: when Feminist activists will start their BS in your country, too, about the so-called "Patriarchy" oppressing women - and sooner or later it is 100% sure they will - then slap them all in the face as hard as you can. Do not even start listening to what they say, just simply slap them when they try to open their mouths. Do it! You can thank me later.
@@urhunn7778 EXACTLY
Can we just go ahead and give Jon all the awards for his performance in We Own This City?
Not until better call saul gets justice.
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
Jon is one of the most humble actors I've ever seen. he's so down to earth I love him for it! ever since I first saw him on TWD I was a fan. and everything he's done since then has been epic.
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
@@namedasurname3968 what? You ok? Smelling toast by chance?
@@mrbeans2425 I mean, I know what a woman is and how many genders are there... things you cannot explain, so yeah, I'm okay, not like you
@@namedasurname3968 how many genders are there then?
@@samcochran8203 2, kiddo, 2. Now, you might start to act like the intelectual that you are not (and bending the knee to hollywood and wokeism show it), saying that there are some cases of intersex, however, those tragedies do not make it the rule, because nature speaks clears.. MALE AND FEMALES... And now... I guess you have no idea what a woman is, right?
Jon is the man. I mean obviously immensely talented and all but also thoughtful and humble.
What Jon is very good at is being a true Gentleman,.. embracing emotions can take as much, if not more, strength as training in combative sports,..
Jon B is a real one. His Frank Castle was brilliant. He seems like a great father. Thoughtful kind and strong at the same time. Not all masculinity is toxic. The way he talks of the samurai gardening and cooking is dope. As a masculine man I do those and other things that would be considered feminine in Americans 1950s. Big ups to JB
I never saw this dude in an interview until these but I really like this guy
Not toxic masculinity but AWESOME masculinity!
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....d
One day, we’re going to figure out that toughness, resilience, compassion, empathy, etc., are not gendered traits. They are traits found in some measure in every human, regardless of sex, gender, race, etc. One of the ways to combat toxic “masculinity” is to stop talking and thinking about it AS masculinity at all. It’s just humanity.
yes being a decent human has nothing to do with gender & everything to do with just being human
One lesson my Dad taught me about if you have to fight was the loudest guy wasn’t all that tough or was scared and hoped you’d back down. He also said the that is calm and quiet is the one you need to take seriously. He knows how to handle himself in a fight.
If there's one thing life has taught me is that the more someone struggles with pain and manages to overcome it, the more empathetic and thoughtful they can to become. Keyword being ''can'', some get changed into something horrific due to the trauma. I never really understood how some people could be so understanding and nice growing up until I went through my own share of pain and suffering, then I understood. It's not a good place, it's not a feeling I would wish on anyone. It traumatized me, it still does, but I've learned to live with it. I've learned to harness it for something good. That experience and all the subsequent work I had to put in to fix it has made me very sensitive to pain in others. It hurts me, it weights heavy on me when I see others suffer, because, deep inside, I know what that feels like and I don't want to ever again. So I help them.
I like what Jon mentioned about skills. Skill set does not define masculinity. I think behavior does, and toxic masculinity is an over indexing on dominance regardless of the situation. It is a negative ego driven behavior that is self destructive.
I love Jon Bernthal and to expand on what he said about his guest who was a SEAL: you see this with real combat vets - they are the most compassionate and caring people because they know that all that matters is the wellbeing of the person next to you.
Love his perspective! Totally agree with his POV. Growing up in a valley in the mountains, hunting, fishing, gardening and gathering was a way of life.
So do u agree that masculine men r good for society
Good dude. This is a fantastically nuanced conversation. Lots of pundits out there should listen to this
Man I love this guy. He’s such an amazing human.
As a guy who wears bright colors during the summer. I’m definitely somebody you don’t need to worry about.
I didn't expect him to be such a quick speaker. He's very expressive and talks very quickly. I wonder if he's had people in his life that have tried to speak over him early in his life. I've had that early in my life and so I tend to make sure I get to speak.
I just love Jon, he is so smart and has growth so much, each year i find him wiser.
Jon seems like a truly awesome guy.
There's a book out there called King, Warrior, Magician, Lover -- it's basically an archetypical blueprint on well-rounded masculinity and it needs to be required reading for all men and boys. A lot of what's being talked about here is covered in that book
I listened to Jon on Rogan. I think he spoke about having an understanding of actual violence is a big thing. I think he used the word "relationship." It was perfect the way he said it. The people that have never experienced violence don't understand it. But it's always around us. The point is not to make people scared of it. The point is to prepare yourself as much as you can to deal with it. You'll always be scared. Just put yourself in a situation where you can defend yourself if needed.
Jon is one of my favorite actors! I love how humble and straight forward he is. But I wish he could have done a deeper dive on toxic masculinity. It's a term that gets thrown around these days without much thinking and consequences to men and their livelihood
Jon is an incredible role model to learn from in so many ways.
I'm even more of Jon Bernthal fan now
he is absolutely correct. Bruce Lee did a great explanation as well. I think people have masculinity confused with loud aggressive men who are that way for no good reason, those are actually pretty feminine men probably single home raised who have no emotional control, thats not masculinity folks. The truly Masculine guy is more likely the most quiet one in the room who everyone notices- the guy who chooses the right emotion and the right way for the occasion
The only time it begins to be toxic is when you're oppose to someone wanting to do the opposite of what you think is "manly" if you want to raise your kid to be a hunting woodsman but he decides its not for him and he enjoys fashion instead you embrace that and support him and never scold and down him for it.
Jon Bernthal is a cool dude. He seems real down to earth and real nice!
Did you know he's married to Kurt Angle's niece?
@@liamfitzgerald7217 yea that whole family is full of tough guys. According to Kurt Angle himself, Jon’s father in law in the meanest of the Angle brothers. Jon bernthal does a podcast and has Kurt as a guest and they talk all about it.
In the end, you all accepted cities be burned down, so....
Any time Jon Berthal speaks, I listen. Whether I agree with his point of view or not, his comments are always well thought-through. He’s so genuine.
indeed we don't all have to agree on every thing but we do need to listen to each other ......that is what I believe he does in his podcast Real Ones ......mostly he listens & occasionally he will ask a question to get more out of the person speaking ..I believe Jon is a gift to the world on all levels
Nice vid. Glad I saw this
Awesome vid. Love him. Forgot about the part where Samurai used Bazookas
He sounds like a great dad.
Being an angry "tough" guy is just being an emotional guy. It's not stoic, it's not cold and cool like they think it is.. Being loud and violent and threatening is what karens and toxic males do. There's nothing masculine about fronting as a tough guy or making people feel uneasy.
People who start fights are having emotional tantrums, but we're conditioned to think it's "tough" because movies show violence as something tough guys do... When in reality, it's emotional dudes losing their temper like a little baby. Starting a bar fight or throwing yourself on the floor kicking and screaming is the same thing.
I have to chuckle because I just watched Jon on an early episode of HIMYM playing Carlos. Love him!
i could listen to conan talk for hours and hours
Jon bernthal speaks like a normal guy that im prolly friends with. But a majority of his characters have his super deep and grizzled boice on him 😵💫
Wait, John Bernthal has his own podcast series on Spotify?! How could I live so long without this?
Jon* Bernthal
That's my dude right there. Fantastic take!
one of my favourite actors.
and, my favorite scenes are some that aren't well known..
Jon's a bit character in The Pacific. Manny. He's sadly killed early on, but his scenes between his character, and Jon Basilone, his friend, are really powerful.
and, also in Fury. the scene where he apologies to Norman, for being "bad people" compared to him.
there's also a deleted scene in Fury, where he breaks down to Brad Pitt. they're both in the tank, and he tells Brad he can't do the war anymore. the nightmares are too much.
as Jon once talked about himself, as a neurotic Jew, stuck inside the Punisher.
i don't know, maybe he's a perfect example of not judging books by what's on their covers?
Based off of the title of this video I really didn't know what to expect but everything Jon said made complete sense. To me it's common sense, we all know right from wrong and we have to do our part in raising our kids in a way that they can handle themselves in this sometimes dangerous world while still being able to converse and deal with all kinds of people. There will always be insecure men and toxic feminity will also exist for as long as the human race lasts. Hopefully common sense prevails!
Mhm
It's interesting seeing the empathy Jon brings to his characters reflected in reality. His performance in _FURY_ is very telling - and underappreciated. For most of the movie, his character seems to be an unredeemable person, but in the "Norman, I'm sorry" scene Jon reveals an unexpected humanity bordering on tragedy. Such a rare talent.
Conan this is your best show. Keep it up man
Conan O'Brian looks like The Good Guy Doll all grown up. Lol
This is great 👍
I wouldn’t go as far as to call it power. Influence? Maybe. He also indeed has a platform and is using it for all the right reasons. He is doing what so many actors should/need to start doing. Using their platform to speak up and tell it how it is, offer insight on topics of their own and others’ personal experience(s), speak truth etc. That is one of many reasons why I will always respect, enjoy and support any and all works of the one and only Jon Bernthal. He is an idol and role model to many more people than he realises.
Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.
And best would be to master both the sword and the trowel. (Aka Big Samwise Gamgee Energy)
and I'd rather be a gardener in a famine than a soldier. this is a stupid way to justify your beliefs
Even after saying all that, you know Jon bernthal is not to be messed with
He said it. The guy that smiles and shakes your hand is the one who's most serious
3:25 Conan's laugh sounded like Basil Brush the fox there haha
100% what it means to be an absolute savage and know how to control it for good. Well said. Every man should be like this.
Conan should never give away his fighting strategies!
Like many Taoist philosophers and Japanese Zen teachers have said, “Once you draw your sword, you have lost the battle.”
Indeed, if we turn to violence then we have failed.
Say that to my gun
Tell that to Putin
"Almost nothing in nature agrees with that sentiment. That seems like something groups with ill gotten gains tell oppressed groups to keep them from fighting back.".
Brilliant words from an absolute man
YES i know we full audio on podcast apps but can you just upload full video podcast. I like to watch full video when i can. it would be nice if you offered both.
What I find interesting is the whole "calligraphy and poetry" of the samurai...also showed up with medieval knights. And Greek hoplites. And lots of Roman legionaries. And the Chinese warlords of the Warring States and Three Kingdoms and more. And Persians. And so many more. Not always calligraphy and poetry, of course, but art and music and dance and literature. These have been staples in warrior cultures, and cultures with elites that fought and prided themselves on masculinity. To the Greeks and Romans, crying (but not sobbing) was a sign of an internal fortitude, being willing to cry. To the Chinese of the same era, crying was a sign of being a good Confucian; you had care for those around you and were able to be affected by their emotions, without them overwhelming you. Kublai Khan loved poetry, art and music. And also killin' all sorts of dudes. Cyrus the Great conquered the Middle East, and then abolished slavery because he saw the plight of slaves in Mesopotamia. Ashoka the Great conquered most of India (and massacred it)...then had an epiphany that he was pretty much the worst man on the planet at the time, and spent the rest of his life not only legislating his new morality, but also trying to teach it. Alfred the Great spent the first 1/3 of his reign (and most of his brother's reigns) fighting the Danes. And then he settled down and made alliances with them and turned his court into Britain's first education center since the Romans left, and had The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle commissioned, which he partly edited.
In most of history, most of the world, manliness has been about embracing the "fight and build and destroy harrr so stronk!" WITHOUT brushing off the "softer" things; courage to not need to prove to other men how "manly" you are has almost always been seen as...quite manly. When I see a man with a giant truck, with truck nuts on it and lift kit and those big ass rack lights, I immediately know that is an incredibly insecure man. I once told a woman she was holding her beer "like a long-lost lover" and a guy next to me says "we are men, we don't say lover," and I laughed. Because that is a man that needs to prove to everyone he is a man, probably also needs to prove he is straight (probably because he isn't). That is so, so sad.
*"Someone who has less rights than you," should be "Someone who's rights are being disregarded."*
No person has less rights than any other person. Rights are not granted by others. Rights are unalienable and equal to each person.
This guy is a model of what positive masculinity can be. Everytime the contrast between him and his most iconic characters amazes me. He's such a luminous and sweet guy, yet tough.
When youre funny you can be anyone and people will love you.
Perfect take by Jon here.
Tha Samurai are probably not really the best examples of compassionate or balanced masculinity, as historically they almost never lived up to their 'code' and oppressed and abused the hell out of those under them on the social ladder.
You watched couple videos on CZcams ?
@@BigChiken44 Am I wrong?
@@BigChiken44 Or maybe they actually know the real history? The samurai is an ideal...and people often fail to live up to their ideals....there's nothing shocking about that....especially a model as rigidly idealized as the samurai "code".