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► Chapters:
00:00 - Gaming on Linux
01:00 - The experience is good, but ...
02:20 - New Anti-Cheat problems
04:20 - Developers / Publishers mess up
05:49 - The solution
06:24 - How has the current state shifted?
07:47 - Linux Consoles vs Windows
08:28 - Conclusion
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Btw. if anyones wondering why CS2 wobbles in the background, that is just a fullscreen bug that can happen when the window is not in focus.
I sometimes switch desktops to see if the recording is still going and forgot to click the window again.
Exclusive Fullscreen is a fun thing for games nowadays.
Its very distracting, once you notice!
just erase your 1 minutes intro, it's kinda useless and robbing everybody's time, in my opinion.
i was staring at it for like 5 minutes
I thought it was an animation of a teabagging going on repeat
Exclusive fullscreen isn't really a thing on Linux (or even on Windows anymore).
Most CS2 players complain about cheaters and insist that Valve make anti-cheat like Riot built into the system, if this happens, it will be a nightmare for us Linux users because everything will be tied to the root and will make Linux Gaming not so free
bruh fr, but funny enough its as if it was the solution to the problem, like on windows if one really wants to can bypass the AC detection on perhaps disable it? with kernel modules on windows too, meaning clearly these people don't know what they are talking bout, cuz perhaps valve would have done that already to begin with.
All in all AC solutions don't need kernel access to be 'good', that said if valve does that, and breaks linux support then well i might just bid farewell to cs2 myself.
why would valve break support with its own device?? the steam deck runs arch linux too
That would also be a nightmare for Windows users because of the (IT) security implications. It's a terrible thing that no software should ever do, let alone one that works against you.
@@asunavk69It's all about marketing. Yes, kernel anti-cheats can help against cheaters, but it's mostly just limiting the offer of available cheats since not everyone has the know-how to develop and keep a kernel cheat up to date.
It doesn't prevent cheaters in general, since they do find a way
@@MichaelNROH There are only 2 ways to prevent cheating, and that's to remove the incentive for cheating (if cheaters aren't having fun they're less likely to cheat) as well as using serverside cheat detection. The OS doesn't matter, you can always circumvent even the most malicious anti-cheat system if you put enough effort in, given that it has to run on your own hardware.
EA doing the world a favour by preventing people from playing their shifty casinos with shallow game skins.
That's sadly not a healthy attitude towards Linux Gamers.
If someone chooses to not play their game, than that's their choice. The issue is, that there is no choice anymore
@@MichaelNROH I honestly couldn't care less about EA making their games available to me or anyone.
I'm never buying another EA game in my life.
I've been boycotting EA for over a decade now.
I suppose I'd prefer they made a native version of their single player games so I could pirate it out of principle.
@@youtubevanced4900 i agree. but it doesn kinda hurt linux adoption since those idiots will continue to demand those games... and stick to LOSEdows xD
@@MichaelNROH I think it helps Linux Gamers. EA sucks.
Fortunately, I decided many years ago to never again buy anything from EA, also known as the cancer of the gaming industry.
the only game that actually matters is super tux kart anyways
Sounds like this one might destroy friendships
@@MichaelNROH linux gaming fine for most part. Outher good video called Don't let your eyes deceive you: Windows compatibility is an illusion.
Basically said end linux missing out on modern first person shooting games. Windows missed more out on classic older games.
Every single Linux game that can be found right in your repositories. I like them all - Plus all those third-party Linux games that were created by amature game designers. Just look for them....thousand of them and all for free to play. Who said Linux don't have games are wrong. Been gaming on my Linux machine since 2003.
@@morobest5351 apex legends, cs2, overwatch 2, and recently the finals are some of the ones i know of that work on linux. a lot of other ones use anti-cheats that are compatible but they just refuse to enable linux support
exactly
I've recently uninstalled Windows from my gaming computer and hence I'm windows-free on all my machines. CS2 runs smoothly, and surprisingly, my ping is even better on Linux compared to Windows, possibly due to Windows constantly running background processes on my system. All my other games work perfectly without any additional setup (Assassins Creed, Witcher, Far Cry, Skyrim, etc). The only genre of games that I can't run on Linux are online games with proprietary anti-cheat systems, but I don't play those games anyhow.
as an ISP and IDC professional, i can assure you the difference in latency has nothing to do with your OS of choice.
@@BattousaiHBr As a "normal human being" that has knowledge about having lower latency with a Linux I am truly scared that you are an ISP and IDC professional
I remember back in the day when I used to play World of Warcraft (this was quite a long time ago), I used to get better graphical performance through Windows (to be expected, especially back then), but I got better network performance when I was running it through Wine. Most of the time I was more concerned about network performance, so I played through Wine.
@@vacston you can think anything you want, i am telling you we have tons of linux and some windows servers (some clients ask for that, likely for RDP) and the latency in our monitoring platform is exactly the same.
@@BattousaiHBr If it's a Windows server, I presume you're using the Windows Server edition. However, on a desktop, the configuration might be different. I've come across information suggesting that Windows has "peer-to-peer updates" enabled by default, and some users have reported improved connections after disabling it. While I believe that professionally set up Windows and Linux systems can achieve similar ping times, my personal experience on desktop didn't reflect this.
After being on consoles for nearly two decades and becoming a dad over that time, multiplayer became not only annoying with schedules but I wanted to be more involved /with my family. I also feel NO accomplishment in playing multiplayer games, they go on forever with a repetition that I eventually get bored with.
It came to the point I just wouldn't play games for weeks or months at a time, my love of gaming completely died. So I sold all my consoles because they were just collecting dust.
Then Valve announced the Steamdeck and decided to take my wife and kids route with their Switches and get a handheld. Now I only have a Steamdeck, and my love of gaming returned ten fold! I can play portably around my family, anywhere, anytime. Instead of worrying about who is online and scheduling times, I've stuck strictly to Single player games, and I've already beaten a couple games.
I finally feel a sense of accomplishment that multiplayer games never gave me. Instead of watching a show that goes on forever to barely (if ever) watch another series like multiplayer titles, I treat the singleplayer games like small or long movies, moving on to the next one I beat them. I'm unsure if others feel the same but there's a ton of great, unique experiences in these singleplayer games that imo stays stagnant in multiplayer.
So if a game doesn't work on the Steamdeck because of the multiplayer, it doesn't affect me. As a father that can now play whenever I want, loving the singleplayer renaissance that multiplayer burnout never provided, the Steamdeck has been the best purchase I've made in years.
I stopped playing multiplayer ages ago. It doesn't work well with parenting at all. Also the sense of accomplishment died as soon as I entered the workforce. The only people who seem to succeed at multiplayer are those who spend 12 hours playing a single game, every day, all day. I ain't got time for that.. If I ever became successful again in a multiplayer game, I think I would feel like a loser in RL.
Whatever floats your boat I guess. Competitiveness in video games is what I live for however.
@@mpgodjr How much time do you approximately invest in getting better at games?
Asking for science.
@Retr0Dima this summer I took a break from video games. And it's been difficult getting back into them when not playing with friends. But before that I played around, I'd say on average, 2 hours a day. Take maybe 15 minutes or so.
Here, here.
I played Halo on Linux Mint with Proton DB and it worked flawless!! I remember when it would not even start, Linux has come so far!!
Oh, is it working again? Infinite is the one game I play that often where it works or doesn't depending on the update. Last I checked it was broken again so I just keep it on Windows.
Sometimes the games even work better than Windows!
@@MichaelButlerC Like with Elden Ring at launch.
I've recently retaken the plunge into Linux gaming (soon approaching a month now), completely abandoning Windows all together. I distro hopped until I found out about Nobara. Now I can't see myself use anything else but. I do very little multiplayer gaming (MMOs mostly), so this switch wasn't too hard of a choice.
It's been a fun and interesting experience.
How's Nobara been in the past months since you posted this? I was thinking of switching to it from win10.
@@Reznor1974 It's been really solid for me! Still using it as my daily driver.
I should preface that I went out of my way to make sure my hardware had a lot of Linux compatibility when I built my current PC (AMD GPU and CPU). If you're an Nividia user, the experience has been really hit-or-miss according to some reports that I've been seeing in the Discord, however the community is very active and has helped a lot of users get their rigs up and running with Nvidia hardware.
I recommend firing up a live USB and poke around with Nobara to get a feel for Linux in general before fully committing as to take the plunge you'll need to completely wipe your hard drives and lose any docs and games you have installed.
Also, I personally believe if you can get Nobara up and running, it'll be the easiest introduction to Linux there is. GloriousEggroll (the main dev behind Nobara) has made great strides to get the OS up and running VERY quickly, and many, many things are plug-n-play just like with Windows.
@@Reznor1974 It's been really solid! Been daily driving it pretty since since I made this post! I highly recommend Nobara as a solid first choice as a delve into Linux. It's very plug-n-play much like Windows.
However, be forewarned that Nivida GPU users do have some issues when it comes to switching to Linux, sometimes. It's very hit or miss if your setup will run Linux well ootb after installing the drivers, whereas AMD doesn't really have this issue.
That being said, the Nobara Discord is very active, and if you need help with some technical issues/errors, there's usually someone who will be able to help you (depending on timezones/times).
Honestly I wish people would stop calling it an anticheat problem because it really isn't, it's a developer problem. Outside of a handful of exceptions, (which *_do_* exist) the only times a game's "anticheat" is the thing causing the problem is when the developer intentionally keeps it that way. EAC for instance is one that's mentioned quite frequently as a problem child but, no, it's just not, EAC actually has excellent Linux support that's extremely easy to activate, not even requiring a change to the game's binary at all - you literally just tell steam to add the proton libraries as accepted and within 5 minutes it's compatible.
The issue isn't anticheat, it's developers. The anticheat is doing it's job, blocking people using modified clients, the issue is that developers refuse to spend the 10 dollars to just say "hey, yeah actually proton is okay" and let the anticheat allow linux clients. Actually, you know what? Let's calculate it exactly shall we? 34usd is the current median for the hourly wage of a game developer, let's estimate high and say it takes 10 minutes, that's 1/6th, so 34/6, that's less than 6usd; developers refuse to spend the 6usd to enable it. In fact, I've seen some games outright *_DIS_* - able it, yes, as in, it was playable, and they intentionally turned it off. (and then lie about it and claim it's an incompatibility when the update that broke it had nothing to do with the anticheat at all and was just a standard feature update that wouldn't have altered any significant anti-cheat code)
Saying it's an issue with anticheat implies that Linux is some edge case that needs extra considerations, when 9/10 times it's not. Anticheat companies actually support linux qiute well, developers just refuse to enable it. Don't get me wrong, it's their game and their choice, they are a private company they can decide the nature of their product, but by that same token the anti-cheat devs could also mandate linux compat, make it default, etc. because the anti-cheat is *_their_* product. (plus, while I do stand by the "private entity private choice" point, cracking, reverse engineering, bypassing, etc. are all things with legal penalties, meaning *_public_* tax-funded enforcement. Gaben is pretty famous for his take on piracy so I don't think I have to repeat it here but, in-short, he who offers a good service and/or product is not he who has to worry about pirates so IMO if a company wants to stand behind the private-choice argument it doesn't really make sense for them to get public protections from their players circumventing those choices because they're bad.)
Again, there *_are_* genuine cases where devs make anti-cheat tweaks that just aren't easily compatible with proton, (at least if we take their word for it) but from what I've seen the majority of the time that's not the actual barrier. (and frankly with how bad anti-cheat is begining to do it's job, I'd be surprised if that's even a worthwhile trade in the first place) Most of the time it's not that proton CAN'T run it, it's that developers don't LET proton run it.
edit : with that said, yeah no I don't want these companies making linux native things. Wine is excellent because it allows you to know with near certainty they're not doing anything funny, it's like a blood-brain barrier for your computer. Windows is a mostly static build target, and Proton is good enough at this point that any competent software shouldn't have an issue running in it, the issue is just that adjective "competent" because most software made by these companies isn't. These companies want you to install their software with kernel-level access literally more privlaged than your OS, remember that. Companies building for windows and Linux running it with proton is best for basically everyone involved, the only issue is that companies refuse to actually just make decent software that can run in proton in favour of esoteric libraries, pessimized code, etc.
I agree that most games which utilize Anti-Cheat could just go ahead and enable it, however there are a few complications.
For once there is no Kernel Anti-Cheat support with Wine at the moment, and it only runs in user mode.
While this is good and the way to do it, it' still more exploitable in theory and would make Windows users feel annoyed, because of that difference.
Another thing is of course, like you mentioned, certain games not supporting Anti-Cheat due to rare limitations. Especially custom programmed modules (even for EAC or Battleye), which don't have a counterpart on Linux.
Destiny 2 would be one example of this, though it wouldn't need those restrictions anyway if we are being honest.
But nonetheless, while I hate it that companies don't enable support, even if they could, I don't even fully blame them.
Hate the cheaters, not the measures against them
But they ARE a problem, 'cause they serve no prupose in pratice, and ring 0 anticheat like Valorant's can be even called MALWARE.
And EAC cause a lot of problems time and time again because devs sometimes do stupid stufff, like what happened in Dead by Daylight recently, Linux gamers got SoL 'cause the devs of this game are imbecile.
Ill just put it this way - Escape from Tarkovs cheats are not detected by BattleEye, while Valorants anticheat will setect EscapeFromTarkov cheats. Imagine that.
And no, its not that simple even with EAC support
@@AndRei-yc3ti Your first point means literally nothing other than two different EAC engines work differently and detect different things, and your second point is factually wrong.
You can literally go to EAC and Steam's own documentation and see exactly what to do to enable it. If you're fast with the mouse and got a good keyboard you could literally do it in a single minute.
@@AndRei-yc3ti
Yes, there are certain things cheats can do that are simply impossible to detect from user space and a kernel space anti cheat can be used to detect these. However, that doesn't stop anyone from creating a kernel space cheat that will just for example overwrite NT internal structures that are used by anti cheat and keep whatever information they contained to itself, thus defeating any benefit a kernel space anti cheat has over one that only runs in user space.
The only multiplayer games I play regularly (Minecraft, CS2,etc) work well on Linux so I don't worry
*your computer quietly holding in its rage in the background 😂
With the exception of modding, gaming on Linux is perfectly fine if you avoid the "games as a service" junk that I would avoid anyway. And most mods work fine too without any extra effort as long as you don't need to run an extra executable that injects stuff at runtime or something goofy like that.
Between the large number of games and being able to mod games almost as well as on Windows, Linux gaming is officially in better shape than gaming on any of the consoles IMO, which isn't something I would have ever expected.
and yet ppl complain saying the deck does not have enough games..i get where some come from, and yes its the online titles haha.
I'm not sure how many modding tools there are, but a lot of the most popular ones do run on Linux
I mean I mostly play a "live service game" Path of Exile and it's always run fantastic on Linux. Everything I play runs perfectly including new stuff that released this year like Baldur's Gate 3. I haven't had a game in years that I wanted to run but couldn't.
I have a couple of game mods who use DLL injection, they also work fine as long as proton/wine has them added to the libraries with "use native" option.
Could you elaborate how to do this? I want to see if I can get the Med2TW engine overhaul project to work on Linux
Game developer/hardware producer support for Linux is one area that objectively shows why Linux becoming more popular and widespread should be the goal. The "we don't need it to be adopted widely, it's not Windows" mantra does not work here. I get the nerd reaction there - I'd myself have the "oh well, all the normies have now adopted the OS I've been tinkering with as a niche weirdo for a decade" reaction if that happened, but it would be for a greater good of pushing back against the corporate monopoly on software and our lives.
Thank God Proton means they can support Linux without having to actually spend time making a Linux port. Look at the sorry state that PC ports have been lately. If they had to make Linux ports too, it's over. You would never have a stable AAA game on PC, again unless it's on Mac or iPhone.
When I finally get enough to upgrade my GPU and CPU, I’m going Linux. It seems adequate for all my needs.
Thats awesome to hear ive been a windows user for as long as i can remember and ive switched to linux these past months and ive had a great experience, i recommend Endeavour os as a linux distro :)
Can tell you that the last Ryzen builds I did run just fine with GNU Linux. As happens I use Mint / Cinnamon, simply because Mint has done very well by us.
hell yeah brother
based and penguin-pilled
all jokes aside, excellent choice bro. i can recommend endeavourOS or Mint LMDE as a good starting point
That's almost funny. I go back far enough to remember when AMD drivers were a seriously annoying with constant updates. At that time Nvidia was the way to go and thus my old test bed system has an Nvidia card. Just lucky that I built our update systems with "G" series Ryzen CPUs, and thus have few issues with the new systems. @dreaper5813
Well, I think that by 2025 linux gaming will have evolved a lot, valve is continuing to push the proton project hard, and dxvk is making great strides
People vote with their dollars. If you continue to support games and publishers that actively work against your best interest, then you are acting against your best interest and others around you. If you are an adult (and I'd imagine a majority of Linux gamers are) then this is entirely within your control. Or you can continue buying games for a platform you don't like and complain about it on the internet.
The more money spent on Linux, the more robust things will become and building exclusively for Windows will become a thing of the past. "The best time to plant a tree was ten years ago, the second best time is today." The longer people put this off the longer it will take to resolve itself. Since I started in Linux over 9 years ago people have been complaining about keeping Windows just for games, and those same people are still in the same boat. Take a stand or look in the mirror for the source or your problems.
+1
i use linux and game on it and i am definitely not an adult which is cool ig
The same applies to hardware.
If you buy the latest, most powerful hardware; you are contributing to the lack of optimization. Developers don't see the need to optimize when you have powerful hardware. As a result, this hurts anyone who isn't rich enough to buy said hardware - as well as anyone who care about having a small form factor (an RTX 4090 is neither cheap nor compact).
When you buy hardware that isn't upgradable/repairable (lacks ports/slots, uses all soldered components), etc. you are contributing to e-waste and planned obsolescence.
If you really want to make gaming more accessible, demand better optimization for older/lower end hardware. Don't just buy the latest, most powerful stuff just because you can and call it a day.
If you want to help the environment, demand upgradable/repairable hardware with proper long term support (open source drivers especially). Don't just buy anything because it looks nice and is powerful, look for products that specifically respect the right to repair/upgrade.
Nothing is going to change overnight. Linux has come long way though. Linux gaming is a thing after 2020. Lot's of people are noticing it now. Eventually Linux will be the Only OS in the world but not tomorrow.
Well, I wouldn't go that far
A real change in the market share would make things interesting though and yeah, it would be nice
@@MichaelNROH 90% Developer use linux for a reason. It's easy for developer, but for gamer it's not that easy. But give it time, trust me uno card is coming.
@@tarikulislam686 There would need to be some dramatic changes in order for Linux to even become a major player. For it to become the only operating system is just a pipe dream, because there will always be competitors. There are at least three groups of people I can think of offhand that you will need to overcome in order for Linux to take off as a major player in the OS market.
The first group of people are those who are already invested in the Windows and/or Apple ecosystem because of the software they have. If Linux can't or isn't providing alternatives *at* *least* on par with what you can find there, you can throw that group right out the Window. Some of those people wouldn't switch even if you did have equally good software, because they're used to what they have and they don't want to switch to something new, which is an entirely valid take.
The second group of people are those that just don't care. They don't care what operating system is on their computer and they don't care if the company making that operating system is somehow making things worse for other people. They just want to buy their computer, turn it on and do whatever they're going to do with it with little to no tinkering. If they run into a problem that requires more than two or three clicks to solve, they're calling tech support. If you can get a computer into their hands that does exactly what they need it to do with no intervention on their part, and that computer also has Linux that's great, but in order for that to happen Linux needs to be more wide spread than it is, and in order for that to happen there needs to be some monetary incentive. Like it or not that's how the world operates.
The third group of people is the worst, because those are the ones who have a vested interest in people *not* having the freedom that comes with running Linux. These are the people that pull the strings from behind the scenes, the sorts of people that go to global conventions and pal it up with all the biggest CEOs and political leaders to direct international regulations and corporate policy.
@@tarikulislam686 I also agree. With AI on the rise, we're gonna see probably the best ecosystem of any OS, and the most welcoming too as simplicity gets better and smoother for plug and play options. When you can do any and everything on Linux with ease and FREE, yea I'm highly confident Linux will have the majority market share.
@@sinnwalker The battle between open-source and corporate walled gardens has only just begun.
I'm not getting my hopes up for the average user to 'see the light' so to say.
Its amazing how good its gotten. Its been great for most single player games for years, but recently even online multiplayer is a high possibility: Apex Legends, and even Remnant II which i put dozens of hours into both on Manjaro Linux!!
Anti-Cheat is a form of a ROOT KIT. That is the problem, if the anticheat wants it can destroy your installation and steal all your data.
But it's not going to do that. And if it does, it won't be to you. And if it does happen to you, you'll be an edge case. People don't care about things that don't affect them, and realistically speaking, this won't affect them.
@@MrGamelover23 I'm sitting on a bomb but it wont explode under me!
@@simonsomething2620 The number of people who will explode under is insignificant. Nobody really cares as long as they can play their game. You can argue that it's a privacy violation, but again, nobody cares about privacy unless they are specifically told to by a big company like Apple.
I was able to install all of my rts games on Linux.
That feeling when you get a borked rating game and end up finding out how to make it gold. All the game needed was a sandbox desktop envionment with proton and it worked like a charm.
Anticheat games are the only problem now for me 😢
Same
Having not touched windows for over 5 years now has been amazing. That said I only play a select few games and use an AMD gpu, any new game I check compatibility first, if it's bad then I just don't buy the game, I don't think any game could be good enough to make me boot windows 8, 10, 13, whatever version it is now up ever again.
Speaking about how Linux gaming improved. "CS2 Wobbeling in the background" 🤣
To be honest, that's on me. I switch Desktops sometimes during the recording to make sure that everything works and I triggered a fullscreen issue since the windows isn't focused.
@@MichaelNROH
Black Desert is working on linux now after they changed the anti-cheat.
Very insightful, thank you.
Hey, good video!... I've been gaming on Linux since... Hmm, I have an original boxed copy of "Quake 3" for Linux, which I bought at release, so it must be since before 1999.... I switched over to Linux full time around that same time frame, perhaps 1998.... so I've seen a lot of water under the bridge on that front.
I played "WoW" under Wine from 2006 or so, until perhaps 2010 when (although it still works)... so Wine has certainly been capable for many years!
One thing I see as a real problem now, as you say is multi-player.... but more specifically... MMO's in that these games have very long development cycles, and there are two of them that I'm really interested in right now... but this genre really benefits from players being involved in the development cycle, Alpha and Beta test cycles, and from day 1 access to the environment, since it's a persistent world, and players joining in 6 months or a year when the studio might get around to ticking the Linux box in EAC or whatever is just not acceptable!
The problem is however that the studio's wont generally discuss it, even from the perspective of "Look, we as a community don't really want you to have to dedicate time to Linux support, that's kinda on the Proton side... but lets have some dialog, because we need to know if those early adopters and developers are likely to be banned if your custom "anti-cheat" is triggered etc... "
The answer I've gotten is "Sorry we can't talk about that".... which I understand from the particular support/public liason if that's what they are told, but it's just not a good look! 1-2% of players might be a small number, but it's still, be a pretty large number!
Often these vendors when I have spoken to them are just living in the past, "If you want to play our game, you'll just use your Windows machine"... excuse me?... my what? I haven't had or wanted one of those for years. (my views on Microsoft not withstanding.. )
Had an issue with my Windows 11 install corrupting, so I decided to install Nobara (A version of Fedora with a bunch of gaming and multimedia tweaks done for you or made easy).
Outside of AMF encoding through the AMD driver switcher (Which lets you use AMD's proprietary drivers for certain applications), the lack of AFMF (AMD Fluid Motion Frames) support for 2D games (Would be nice to see added to Gamescope), and the weird problems with Steam not respecting my DPI scaling settings on KDE Wayland, it's mostly in a state where if I don't need to do any modding related tasks (I.E: Cheat Engine/Debuggers, anything relying on Visual Studio solutions, RenderDoc hooking, building AssetBundles for Unity mods) I can get by, honestly in a better state than Windows in a lot of ways.
I like how Gamescope has effectively replaced what DSR/VSR and most driver scaling settings (With FSE) did on Windows (The closest thing to that is Lossless Scaling), I like the fact that my controllers work out of the box without needing third-party drivers 99% of the time (unless you need extra Xbox related functionality), not having to adjust DPI scaling compatibility settings on a per-game executable basis because plenty of Windows games still handle high DPIs incorrectly (Which are needed on a 4K TV or 1440p display with 125% scaling to work properly), and I like the fact that (if you don't have an NVIDIA GPU or don't want AMF encoding in OBS) devices are usually plug and play thanks to the Monolithic kernel design. Outside of some strange oddities with Logitech dongles recently, there hasn't been that many issues with how devices are handled, and I'd have the hot take to argue that monolithic kernels are still less of a mess than Windows currently is when it comes to device drivers (Yes, I'm aware that Windows Update is a thing that makes it easier, but you still need internet for that and there's still devices that don't work right without it). And thanks to the open source community, things are getting better each month, while Windows has been in free-fall mode ever since Microsoft got rid of their QA department, with third-party software (often not open sourced) like StartAllBack, PowerToys (Technically from Microsoft but not included), Lossless Scaling, and many others picking up the slack where it fails. I remember checking out Ubuntu ages ago when Steam started support for it, and honestly, things have progressed a long way since around 10 years ago.
Once more RGB peripherals are supported and when I can adjust the lighting on my Alienware AMD laptop, alongside AMD's P-States power management being made the default (much like Intel) instead of the generic handler, I'll probably move that over to Nobara with KDE as well.
I’ve been trying Mint on a live USB SSD. Shocked how all my input devices and my Internal PCIe wifi card just works. I have an extra unused m2 drive, might install Mint on the extra drive. Later this year I’m intending to get a MacBook for video production. Once I do, I’m willing to try Linux on my desktop more.
Linux just doesn't have any issues playing games at all. The only issue that's on the horizon is that the developers/game studios are not willing to write proper software (e.g. launchers) for their games to work with Wine/Proton. We are basically at a point where we just patch Proton for launchers to work again, which is absolute bonkers and that's why modern gaming in general is just bull** in my opinion.
It's definitely fckd rn, but soon I believe it will change. As AI becomes better at coding, coding better bridges and optimizations will skyrocket incredibly fast, and with anyone being able to utilize it we're gonna see quite a transformation in the gaming field. Along with everywhere else.
I really like the idea behind the Steam Deck. I'm still waiting for Deck 2, but I really hope we will see a much stronger push for Linux support moving forward. Steam OS is probably the best candidate for the next big push on Desktop. The waiting is just hard.
The Deck 2 is not going to come out for quite a while, but personally I'm waiting for the Deckard, Valve's next VR headset which is going to run SteamOS.
Anti Cheat and .NET compatibility in Linux is what stopping me from fully committing into just gaming in the platform. Hopefuly the next Bottle or further improvements with Wine can change that in the near future.
Isn't .NET already supported?
@@ikcikor3670 Not in WINE, NET 5.0 and above doesn't work where it makes programs that has it prerequisite not to run at all.
.NET 5 and above already have native Linux versions, how does that not work?
Bought a new laptop, came with a free Win11.. Used it for about 30 minutes and switched to Kubuntu. There were some minor problems in the first few days but overall it has been a flawless experience. Glad I didn't bother configuring dual boot. I don't play multiplayer anymore so no gaming problems for me. I actually play DOSBox games and older stuff, those work very well. I did need some very unique astronomy capture apps that don't work with Wine, and I run those about once per month at pretty much native performance (virtIO drivers) in a Win10 KVM, Tiny10 edition that I don't even have to activate.. so again, no need for dualboot. All in all, goodbye Windows forever.. at least on my personal laptop it doesn't make sense anymore.
thing is.. EAC have already "officially" supports Linux since sept.2021.. it's the damn AAA companies that isn't updating their "legacy" eac codes. EAC said it their docs, the devs will have to update a tiny code in their game codebase. "tiny code" yes, they said it won't take 5mins to update the code yet only handful are updating their code like Apex Legends, black desert online
good to hear that :)
i have to try it after almost 6 years :D
wait but , sorry im listening this vid under a lot of noise in my house so probably i missed something , but if u can play for example six seige with anti cheat on steam deck , doesen't mean u can play it on steam os on desktop ?
Nice info, thanks :)
The hard truth is that it will likely take much longer to get to where we want than the hype implies. It may take 10 or more years before linux gets popular enough for AAA publishers to take it seriously. Some games will simply never ever work outside of windows, and we have to accept that as a community
I don't mind tweaking to get things working, it's fun. And I don't really care about MP service games anymore. BUT I really really care about performance. I'm not spending money on hardware for it to perform slower than it should. Especially considering I play at 4k where all that performance matters. One of the biggest draws of Linux is supposed to be the lack of bloat that makes makes it lighter on resources which should in theory improve performance, there is no point if the games run slower. Also you have other features that are important, stuff like HDR matters, Linux enthusiasts will just downplay this sort of thing when it's mentioned. They say stuff like "HDR is bad on windows anyway, HDR monitors aren't good so it doesn't matter that Linux isn't close to supporting it", that's not an answer. There are good high end HDR monitors now, you can play on 4k HDR TVs, it makes a big difference when it works. I'm not just going to give up this sort of stuff.
Valve took it seriously for a few decades now, and they are definitely the biggest player when it comes to PC gaming. Steam Deck's existence has already pushed many devs to enable Linux support in their games, one recent example I'm very happy about being For Honor. The bigger the Steam Deck user base is, the more free money big studios get for clicking the "allow Linux" button on their anticheats, eventually their shareholders themselves might push them to do it directly once they find out there are hundreds of thousands of potential players the company locks out of their games for no reason
well with AMD bad broken gpu like rdna3 is sure not helping much that bios has to fix that first for bad pcie5 firmware update and ddr5 stability issues still WIP for sure
@@AVerySillySausage "One of the biggest draws of Linux is supposed to be the lack of bloat that makes makes it lighter on resources" That's not a supposition, that's a fact. Also, you imply that games run slower on Linux which isn't true at all, since some of them even run BETTER than on Windows. Just say you like WIndows more and wrap it up, no need to tell yourself lies.
Great video thx
Thank you
hahaha😂 the window in the background
lol I made it into the video in the protondb section!
Congrats, I guess?
Another added solution to corporate publishers "anti-cheats" is to advocate for the return and make standard of:
- P2P - Only play with friends and people you trust
- LAN - Offline independent. No lag. No internet required.
- Adhoc - Especially great for handheld gaming PCs. quick simple direct connection
- split screen - One device. One tv. local multiplayer
- offline bots - Multiplayer always available if no one is around and can be used in combination with all of the above.
No "anti-cheat", DRM and not dependent on corporate servers/services required.
One thing I'd like to see is more games getting open sourced. Consider if a developer used Godot and packaged all of their assets into a single archive and for ease of use just provided a binary of the engine to run the assets with. Granted, there are often additions that require executable code to be compiled and run, but I think that game developers should trust their users and open source those components as well. Consider also the example of Doom mods where a WAD file can be used on any platform as long as you have a copy of GZDoom running. I've played a very large amount of such games and most are worthy of charging for their end result and legally could. Remember that we wouldn't even have Doom mods if the original games weren't open sourced, and you can't play the original games legally without buying a copy from somewhere to plug in the WAD.
I think that open source games could be harmful to indie studios. If a huge publisher decides to step up and take some ideas straight from the source code, there is little to nothing that they can do against it.
Even legal actions would probably only result in a fee, while the other game might make millions due to the bigger reach.
@@MichaelNROH Yeah, that's a possibility. It's also possible that with more open source existing the indie studios will have an easier time producing something and the game assets are really what matters the most. Those parts would still be under copyright and if those things were stolen it'd be more than just a big fine.
how would you pay for an open source software?
@@xman10110 Generally you'd pay for it like normal software and you'd get the source code with it. Often companies that use such a model will provide the source code only for free and the binary will be what they're charging for. Sometimes you also need files to make the binary do something useful, such as copyrighted content, which if we were talking about Doom would be in a single .wad file, and that portion would be charged for.
Great vudeo man! I have 1 question: I see halo MCC in the background, does it work on linux? I heard it wasn't really working well 1 year ago, did it improved? It's my favourite multiplayer game and i would LOVE to switch from win10 to linux. Thanks!
Tbh, I haven't really played much of it yet, since I only replay the campaign from time to time (Used to do that with Gamepass before).
What I can say is, that it should work just fine. There were a couple of patches in Proton which now handles the new and old graphics simultaniously and the multiplayer supports Anti Cheat now
everything is going so well for linux, I expect that Microsoft will be concerned about it, and soon we will see exclusive games "Only on Windows"
As long as they use the DirectX graphics API and don't have an anti cheat then there is no such thing as a exclusive "Only on Windows" game. Given enough time Valve will make it run via Proton on Linux
@@ThatNormalBunny Anti-"cheat" that actively detects and blocks Linux
@@ThatNormalBunny Microsoft could go back to using their Microsoft Store UWP framework like what Game Pass uses.
Proton and Wine are compatibility layers for .exe files. The file framework is something that can be recognized in Linux, but the APIs and libraries are different between Linux and Windows--so what they do is substitute Windows library calls with POSIX-compatible ones. UWP/MS Store apps like the ones in the Xbox app use a completely different, closed file system, and most have no exe under the hood at all.
In theory, it *might* be possible to get UWP games running on Linux by some other method in the future, but in reality, it's unlikely they ever will be made to run on Linux unless Microsoft wants them to. Most of them work in a completely different way than how Wine and Proton operate. There's the odd Windows Store app that's just a repackaged regular old Win32 .exe binary, but most are not.
Did you go back to Gnome, or never left? I saw the cover of the video that you were going to KDE, I'll check it out to find out more details.
I have two Desktop Environments on my System. I'm trying to customize Plasma for myself, while I use Gnome for my videos, since it is a bit cleaner for that purpose and more people use it by default.
might switch when the noticable input lag even from the native games can be resolved
i see halo in your background 😍😍 what kind of linux distro are you using ?? what do you think of linux galunda, is it good ?
Thanks for an interesting overview of the current state of gaming on Linux. I'm not much of a gamer myself, the one game I'm interested in is MS flight simulator 2020. I've read that it works in the steam edition but I bought the dvd version of it when it was released and would like to use that if possible. Do you have any idea if it works in wine? I didn't find anything on it and it is not even mentioned in the winehq app database, they still only list all the predecessors of the 2020 edition.
I would assume you can add it as non steam game to steam and force it to use Proton? This is where I would start.
I guess the physical version is getting updates from Microsoft, so it's not that easy or possible at all currently.
Everything that is somehow linked to Microsoft's store, most likely uses their new packaging formats which are not easy to run on Linux.
Some UWP apps do work, but there is no current way to obtain them.
@@MichaelNROH Thanks for the replies. When I find the time for it, I'll setup a system and give it a try.
@@ShelbySann Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when I give it a try.
I am thinking of switching from windows as windows 10 is coming to an end. Is Linux any better now?
oh lord in heaven oh michael. What bottle configs did you use for far cry 6 i just cant get it to run smoothly
Nothing special.
I just created a custom bottle with the latest Proton GE version and enabled DXVK, VKD3D and I think that was it. I even left the sync settings on default in the video.
im legit laughing right now. we have the same exact plan for final shape destiny 2 😂😂😂
As someone that play mainly single player games my experience has been flawless, finished Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring, Tomb Raider Trilogy, Metro Trilogy, Kingdom Come and a lot other games without any issue whatsoever and great performance overall (12400F + Radeon RX 6600, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed). And the productivity/coding experience in Linux is rock solid and fast so I had nothing holding me on to Windows anymore. Very happy with how much Linux evolved in terms of gaming in the last years and I hope the trend continues.
Dang you did you start from scratch, How can you load saved games???
@@twest3686 Some games I started from scratch, but others like Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 I continued the progress from Windows, Steam loaded the saves automatically from the cloud
@@twest3686 Some games I started from scratch, but others like Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 I started prior on Windows and Steam just loaded my save from the cloud
@@ulabula1680 Seems if they are in the cloud they do come across but still can't find mods with vortex.
I play Wow, SW:TOR, and Balder's Gate 3 on Linux just fine with an AMD 6700XT.
I have a small pc hooked up to my TV to play some things like EA FC and other smaller titles and it's running windows 11. EA's AC is absolute hot garbage. It keeps causing issues. And that's natively on windows.
Oh yeah, it's nowhere near ready. Even for what it is supposed to be
@@MichaelNROH I don't think I'd ever run that root kit on my actual pc running Pop_OS xD. But not everyone has the luxury to have a separate pc for windows only games... So it would still be nice to have the choice to run it on Linux...
Games not working under Steam Proton, or any other Wine variants custom community fixes or official, games will not always run even if they have NO Anti-Cheat available, some games can be broken out the box, even ones mistakenly listed as Bronze, Gold, Silver or Platinum, because one game can just simply refuse to boot or get past the Launching stage because it'll hang before Proton can see what's even happening leaving no log dumps behind.
Where one game will work without problems on a Steam Deck but not regular desktop just goes to show that whatever kind of environment Valve setup on Steam Deck to ensure games can be compatible and run out of the box, there's probably a list of system packages or changes tweaked specially by Valve that gets the game to work that the average Linux desktop will not have tweaks specifically that will allow certain games to run without issues out the box. There is another factor to games working on Steam with Proton or whatever, and it can be down to Desktop Environments, they too can also have an effect whether games will run or not since they pretty much run the desktop, and any number of bugs with them will prevent games from actually working when they should. A desktop running Unity (mutter/muffin) might run games differently to one running KDE Plasma.
Ubisoft Connect simply doesn't work on Linux at all, the application launcher will attempt to run Ubisoft Connect, but it will always and immediately crashes. I've tried it multiple times in the last few months and it's the same result every time has never worked for me. The easy solution might be to buy a SteamDeck, but not everyone wants to just buy a SteamDeck or simply can't just buy one to use just to play games. As someone who fulltime runs Linux as my main desktop OS, it can be really annoying at times when games simply refuse to work properly because an update just breaks it entirely, or something in Proton got changed where a previous version will run no problem and a newer version breaks something unintentionally. For example, Hitman 3, seems to work perfectly fine for Steam Deck, and did work perfectly fine for regular Linux Desktop users, but multiple updates broke the game where it can't even get past the Launcher popup screen after hitting Play. The game worked on certain versions of Proton prior, but now no longer seems to work with those versions of Proton, and no amount of tweaking and stuff I try to apply doesn't affect whether if the game will run or not.
I think the craziest thing about Linux gaming is that it often works better than native windows, especially older titles.
It's not really all that suprising if we go a bit deeper. Even Microsoft loads up custom patches in Windows, similar to Proton, but with the difference that old stuff just doesn't get touched anymore.
Pair that with the removal of old APIs that you can't install anymore due to the lack of the source code and voilà.
It's really funny how Linux can be more consistent to these things, which is usually something that doesn't happen often
Gaming on Linux has been extremely viable for years. We can play nearly every game that isn’t locked by silly drm or anti-cheat. This was true when i started linux gaming in 2017, and its even more true todsy
I've always used Windows for gaming and I also use Nvidia Instant Replay for recording clips.
I play a lot of modded games like Arma 3, Stalker Anomaly, and other games like Squad, Baldurs gate 3, Ready or Not, Tarkov, Hunt Showdown and usually a few cracked games too.
But I've also always been attracted to Linux, the possibility to have a light and minimal OS with no shitty background processes that eat up to 30% of your RAM.
No shitty surveillance, no broken Windows Updates.
How would I find myself if I went to Linux? Unable to play these games?
I mean, I saw that you can play them with a few tweaks, but would I be able to play them like I normally do on windows?
Would I have problems saving clips with nvidia shadowplay?
Would I have problems with the shitton of mods that Arma 3 requires?
Would my performances be better?
I have experience with deck, and I can temper your expectations already. Unfortunately, linux isn't the golden goose. On the other hand, I have stalker anomaly, fnv with TTW, and a decent fallout 4 mod list, 200+. So it's doable just fine, it's not as scary as one might think going into it.
@@stratosamu Hunt Showdown works just like on Windows, but I don't think you will have better performance. My guess the performance would be the same as on Windows. With modding, if you don't need a mod manager program like on Bethesda's games (so Elder Scrolls and Fallout), you will be fine with modding. If I remember right Tarkov doesn't really work on Linux.
I really want to stay on Linux but my only thing holding me back is Discord (Due to slow down/screen sharing being bad unless there some way to fix this i wasn't aware of), all my friends are on it and I use it enough to where staying Windows is just better for this situation. But I'm really happy with how gaming is evolving with Linux!
I mean there is always the older X11 Display protocol which shares screens just fine, or the so called XWayland-Bridge.
You can look em up if you want
Screen sharing works perfectly on Gnome Wayland. For sounds passtrough I use a browser script to accept pipewire output
@0:29 Even better, if you install a custom Proton version, Glorious Egroll, via Proton-QT appimage, you are at the bleeding edge of Proton development. AMD FSR is integrated in GE.
Seems like Destiny 2 is the only thing keeping a lot on people from ditching Windows these days.
It's one of the most common online games probably, yeah
It's a shame and probably also means the upcoming Marathon will also be Windows only.
Roblox
@@WololoWololo2 ironically, yes 😄🤏
I pretty much decided to dual boot my steam deck to run both windows and steamOS. I simply have a shared partition where all my games sit. I’m about to do the same with my primary rig
TBH boycott Windows and any game that refuses to support Linux.
You give them an inch, they will steal a mile.
How do you have that storage drive formatted? NTFS?
@@gokublack8342 btrfs file system
Honestly developers should shift gaze to Linux simply because of the steam deck beign built on it and using it, it has a better sustainability and longevity if it can run natively on Linux.
I plan to switch to Linux at some point (due to Windows bullshit.) Primarily a singleplayer gamer with a preferance for pre 2015 games. Does that mean I will be better off than I am with Windows?
Usually yes compatibility with older game is pretty good.
Better off is a hard thing to determine.
It won't magically give you a lot more fps or something like that.
a great chunk of singleplayer games run at a gold and above rating according to ProtonDB. only very obscure games might have issues (since maybe no one has bothered to create and adjust wine prefixes). im a debian user and all my SP games have worked out of the box or with simple minor tweaks. the change might become a gamble, but i'd say you're gonna be alright. i recommend you to check protonDB for all your games to make sure you're gonna be able to run them beforehand
Anti cheats usually require Windows kernel access access, and thus that anti cheat is a very interesting attack vector. With Windows kernel access, anyone prodding at these anti cheat layers will get access to *everything* in the computer and the network it's connected to. Encrypted or not makes no difference when the kernel is accessed in this manner.
I would actually be interested in finding out the number how often Anti-Cheats get breached by third parties.
I've heard that Genshin Impact was affected once
I stopped plying multiplayer games anyway, they stress me out! for that reason, Linux is good enough! It does run all the games I want these days. And given kernel level anti cheats are black boxes, I wouldn't install that on windows either.. It's a terrible practice to entrust your PC with those gaming companies. It's enough to google how they are handling things these days...
I agree with the concerns about these applications and modules, however a true pen source Anti-Cheat would not be feasible as long as it is client side.
While there are solutions out there, a big game couldn't handle that.
The hard truth is, if people weren't cheating, then we wouldn't need them in the first place 😔
@@MichaelNROH No, the hard truth is that there will always be cheaters, because as long as free will exists there will always be people who don't care if they ruin it for others, or who actively have a good time doing so. I suppose the only solution then is to revoke everybody's freedom in order to reign in the malign few. Let us welcome the dystopian future with open arms, because at least it's more secure.
I work at a software dev company and almost all our developers have switched to windows now since it works just as well as linux does now, is there any other reasons why someone would choose the configurability of linux over convenience of windows in their PCs anymore? Work-wise I understand that some legacy apps require you to be on linux to do any updates to them but generally speaking, I've never come across an instance where I was prevented from doing something simply because I am on windows
You're prevented from protecting your own privacy and data. Unless you run offline you're prevented from creating stable development environments, not to mention loss of functionality if you are running offline. You're prevented from using virt-manager.... podman....
Single player is better than multiplayer in my opinion, add in some coop and/or LAN party features that don't need anti-cheat and that is Utopia to me. Online is just toxic, make better bots if you want versus. Just my opinion!
I also love Proton and don't mind if devs just target Proton as a platform instead of native clients for every distro.
@@dreaper5813 the competitive aspect of those games is fun. fun is subjective.
@@dreaper5813 "shady micro transactions" skins u mean? u dont need skins lol
@@dreaper5813 how are skins pay to win? in games such as valorant or league or csgo
@@dreaper5813 are u just unable to accept the fact that fun is subjective? and some people prefer skill expression and high skill ceiling. some dont and its perfectly fine
This was the final big push for me, considering most modern multiplayer games are trash it was the perfect time to switch & enjoy single player.
I tried to use linux for gaming this weeks during my vacations and is a good experience, but is not perfect, fortunately I don't like newest games, so must of the games I like can be played on linux
For now I will still use windows but guess I have an alternative to windows 11
Lets bring up the sims 4. does not work on windows because it bluescreens or hangs the whole system. does not work on linux because ea likes to break their launcher. makes me want to pirate a free game just to be able to actually play it. super frustrating
I installed Linux mint like a month ago and basically works perfect out of the box. I don't play most popular games, only Helldivers 2 and i don't have any problem. The only way of making them adding support for Linux is not playing their games at all.
That's what i usually do with game with Denuvo, i don't buy them until they're like at 10€ or don't buy them at all.
Still hoping that vr support will be good enough on linux someday
It will, I'm certain of that.
The only thing that might be the case is, that Valve might be the only competitor in that space for a while.
Got ALVR to work with my 5700 Pulse recently which was as easy as installing their flatpak from the Github repo and starting the AppImage that contains alvr itself.
Works fine on my Quest and Pico Neo 3 Link but since I play mostly Pavlov VR which is now borked according to ProtonDB, it is only half the fun to me.
@@dreaper5813 I'm pretty much in the same boat. I'll admit I do find the idea a bit interesting, but ultimately I think VR is more harmful than it is good. I think there is already far too much disassociation with reality, and VR will only amplify that problem as it becomes more and more prevalent.
@@dreaper5813 I couldn't have said it better myself. Even worse is someone behind the wheel doing that. There seems to be this assumption that everybody and everything else needs to watch out for you just because you're absorbed in something else, but it doesn't work that way. Everybody needs to be on guard in order to avoid accidents. It only takes one person out of two doing the wrong thing at the wrong time for something bad to happen. It doesn't matter how aware or careful the other party is.
I’m horrible with even Ubuntu. Three times, I tried to run it. Install always goes well, but days, weeks, months later I go to just do an apt-get update or run a software center update and some stupid sh- will break it. Render it no bootable, or cause some quirk like opening the browser and there’s two UI’s or two taskbars…that causes me to go back to Windows. The last time I intended to feel out Linux gaming, I ran a software center update and the Pc would continually boot into XBMC media player instead of the OS itself. Like I didn’t even know XBMC could do that! Anytime I’d choose exit app it would reboot the PC and boot into XBMC. I was running Ubuntu with the K-Edge desktop, which was similar to another attempt I made in the past to use Kubuntu, back in 2008 I believe it was.
What if even more funny is that thanks to better OS optimization and less I/O latency Linux runs games BETTER with Proton. Even without native support it does it's job better. I feel frustrated when thinking about this. Linux is so cool but devs just don't want to support it.
Not to mention the performance uplift you get from not having bloatware/spyware wasting system resources
@@gokublack8342 yeah...
"Linux is better"
Screen behind him starts flickering up and down like crazy 😂
Do you have a link to the wallpaper the left monitor?
Which is the best gaming distro ? Is Nobara great or you have that is much better
The only thing I don't like about gaming on Linux is modding games, many are as simple as putting the files in a folder, but others like the rockstar games in rage engine are much more complicated since you have to override the game. file so that wine uses the file you downloaded, that may cause some mods to fail or not
hope there are possible solutions for that
I keep Windows around. Not just because of certain games I play that just downright do not work under Linux yet or have been borked by devs again but because I like various operating systems too. Speaking of those games especially, VR games is what drives me to boot into Windows 10 Pro for the most part.
Got ALVR to work under openSuSE with my Quest 1 and Pico Neo 3 Link which is fantastic but PavlovVR now uses EAC in a form that won't do with Proton, so no chance to give it a try under Linux.
Honestly, sometimes just to test these things alone is the most fun part to me anyway, so I just enjoy what we have so far.
I personally would have just a drive dedicated to it and load from there if need be
what linux distribution are you using ?
Debian 12
I'm glad I have decent enough taste in video games that mainstream multiplayer games not working on linux is not a problem for me.
When do you think it will work out of the box for multiplayer games. (how many years) Or just become a non-problem at all. Thats when I would switch to linux.
Depends on how many (unmaintained old ones as well?).
The thing is, for Linux Gaming to truly take off, we need native Devices like the Steam Deck.
Since even other handheld developers like Ayaneo have started working on their own Linux version and Proton just keeps getting better, it wouldn't surprise me if Linux became a PC Gaming competitor within the next two years.
We shouldn't forget the better Linux compatibility become, the more hardware devs can use it, as it is without any licensing costs and low maintainance whatsoever (lots of external contributions).
All it needs is a push, and I think that a couple of devices in the right market (e.g. Japan), could change Gaming forever very quickly
Cual es la distro para gaming que recomiendas? Tengo 8gb de ram y una rx550 4vram
el consenso general es que no existe una mejor distribución. intenta usar el que quieras. Si no tienes una preferencia o eres nuevo en Linux, te recomendaría Ubuntu.
I'm glad I quit playing multiplayer games years ago. That's one pain point avoided, I suppose. I just no longer find it fun competing with other people, compared to when I was a teenager that played on Xbox Live a lot.
Have you ever tried the cachy os kernel?
I don't do custom kernels since I want to provide a system that is as "native" as possible, since it can help the devs to better the default experience
Is the problem that Linux does not support anti-cheat software, or that anti-cheat often behave like spyware, gaining kernel-level access without regard for user security and privacy?
For the average Gamer it's the first one, but for the rest it's the second.
Cheating has become a real problem unfortunately and it really hurts a game's community. Honestly speaking, I'm not sure how this can be solved effeciently
Por que no los dos?
Linux doesn't support a lot of anticheat, and it is spyware.
Even Nintendo switch has a Linux Kernel and Dev-distro
Literally the only reason I am still mainly on Windows in Genshin Impact. There ARE some other programs I like to use, that also have problems with Linux, but those wouldn't stop me from fully going to Linux. Just Genshin does. Which is actually technically playable on Linux, but of course, it's also in the anti-cheat limbo of "SOmetimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, if a dev has a bad day you might get banned for no good reason"
That's why I've decided to have dual boot in my machine tbh, windows to play some games who use anticheat and software that's unstable on Linux and Linux for anything else.
@@AndresicKx I had Dual Boot on a while, but eventually decided that having to boot back to Windows every time I wanted to play Genshin bothers me more than just sticking with Windows all the way
@@awakenedcrowl That makes sense to be honest
even roblox hit us 😔
The best solution that No one is talking about is OpenGL. It's supported by Linux natively and would work without the need to fight with wine, proton of other wine variants like lutris.
OpenGL is nice and everything, but the future in the Open Source space is definitely Vulkan since it already surpasses OpenGL in terms of features and performance. OpenGL generally still works better in terms of stability, but Vulkan is almost ready to replace it completely
Vulkan FTW!
Welcome!
I think that a problem is you cant develop a game on linux and ship it to windows atleast not with Unreal.
Its possible with tricks with Unity.
and with Godots its no hassle at all to do so.
But I'm interested in Unreal and not in Unity or Godot. Both in creating aswell as consuming games made with it.
Yeah, compiling games on Windows is a lot easier since it can access most dependencies (except Apple's).
Luckily it does become a bit easier since stuff like like DirectX can now be somewhat replaced by Vulkan or other APIs
then i also give greater pressure with mesa folks since nvidia does its owned and lot better to fix vulkan extensions
I am mostly on the same boat as you but I don't see you or me "finally" removing windows. I did that in the past. Then I installed Windows again for very obvious reasons. Maybe in the future if I am playing even less games than I do today I may finally be rid of the Microsoft spyware but as of today I am forced to have it on my ssd.
There is a distro called nobara. A lot of you neckbeards frown upon using anything less finicky than Arch but it just works, well in linux terms but my point still stands. It's the perfect distro.
It does nothing for Piracy, they have cracks to remove that garbage. All they do is slow down gaming and open up the ability for people to take over your PC.
I.e. Linux has gotten good enough to use as your daily driver, if you run into a game with issues than dual booting Windows is the best option. Finally, you have more reasons to be on your Linux boot than your Windows boot.
I havent used linux since 2012. It's finally happened
Virtual machine of windows OS on a Linux will work?🤔
There is a private server I've been playing on but on Linux it gives an error the game is Strife Tera if someone can fix the error I'd fully switch to Linux
I was super glad when the steamdeck announced that it was basically running on linux, forcing devs to consider also building for linux. But sad to see that not only are multiplayer games having a hard time, but its actively getting worse from 3rd party companies that "want to compete woth steam"
gaming on Linux is basically as on Windows or better.
the only showstopper is intrusive anticheat/drm games, but i don't play these game anyway
NVK is developing real fast, so i believe soon Nvidia users will have good drivers too. NVK project leads Nvidia towards standartization - one driver for all cards.