I am 5’7 and this chair is perfect for me. One of the most comfortable chairs I’ve tried. I did try steelcase and Herman miller chairs. Steelcase chairs are hard and uncomfortable 😣 the only one I like is the karman
@@shrek22 the aesthetics, the back rest is a bit too firm for my taste and it can get a bit hot after long periods of time sitting on it. I prefer mesh because it’s fresher and softer. Besides that, it is an amazing chair.
I have one with lumbar support and seat tilt features. These two important features do allow to configure the chair much better, as you can tilt the seat so the back side of it is lower and push up the lumbar support to be in exactly the right place. Comparing this chair with competitors like Herman Miller, I find this chair to be much more comfortable, flexible and adjustable for different people needs. Head rest would be great, though, but even Aeron doesn't have one officially
Because of you, I am now Considering the Kinnarps. I initially was eyeing the Haworth Zody but your video has shown me the benefits of the Kinnarps Plus 8. Thanks!
I agree with this. I bought a Haworth Fern in Canada and for some reason they don't sell the lumbar support on their Canadian models because apparently we don't have spines that need to be supported. The mesh doesn't provide enough support alone, and the natural curve hits you too low in your butt. After sitting in the chair for a week it gave me terrible back pain.
I have this chair and the steelcase leap but both chairs seem to make my right foot start to numb after awhile. My heels are planted on the ground. Im short at 5'2. Do you think I might need a footrest or look for different requirements in a chair? Perhaps my setup is wrong.
Love your videos. You are the first person who actually explained how to adjust a chair properly. I know you did a mirra 2 review. But I am very interested in an aeron remastered review from you.
worth noting is the amazing return policy for anyone who think they are a good fit but not willing to take the risk. I wish steelcase had this return policy -_-
You didn't mention the Digital Knit version of the chair. BTOD gave that version an S-tire rating along with the Gaming version of the Herman Miller Embody chair.
Hey, I really appreciate the perspective you bring in your reviews. I'm currently in the process of researching for a new chair. I'm considering the Haworth Soji and was wondering if you had any opinions on it. A review of the Soji from you would be great help.
I’d love to know which chair you went with. I am also stuck between the Fern and the Soji, and I’m really finding it hard to choose. I’m on the shorter side at 5’3 so it’s been kind of difficult to find good info that applies to me specifically. I’d love to know which chair you eventually pulled the trigger on.
What is best chair in this fern price range? Do you think the fern lumbar support would've changed your view - not sure why you didn't get one with the lumbar support and forward tilt
This was super helpful, thank you! I didn't know about the pelvic bone placement etc. I'm going to look in your videos to find out if you have one on how to choose the right chair based on our measurements
You’re welcome! The best you can do is browse this playlist to focus on the areas that interests you most: czcams.com/play/PLrkU7wsPQIPri82EhSq3A3ruiKLWSnkQ2.html
Thanks for the informative videoS I ended up getting a Leap V2 and the pelvic area that you point to in this video as well as my upper glutes are constantly screaming in the Leap. From your expertise would you say this is an adjustment period or a bad fitting chair where I should explore something like this Fern?
I have a 'stocky build', as you described with the shorter torso, longer legs, etc, and am also on the heavy side, however under the recommended max weight of the chair. Do you feel this chair would be appropriate for me? Thanks
Honestly, the lumbar support is really low. But it's worth having a try, sitting on it and feeling if the lumbar support is at belt level. If so, you can go for it!
Thanks for the review. Why you write that the optionnal lumbar support is not great ? Have it (without optionnal lumbar support) and indeed feel the pelvis support a little weak..
You're welcome! The main reason for it being not so great is that's not enough to compensate for the too low implementation of the backrest. Moreover, I have experience of it causing additional discomfort in some users. Finally, I have reports that the plastic tends to stiffen with the time; after a while you cannot adjust it anymore: if you move it, it just falls downwards. It's really a pity, because the same chair with a height adjustable backrest would be absolutely great for tall people!
Was this chair purchased on Haworth International site? What's the color of it? Silver Leaf or Byzantina? Their photos on website are horrible renders... Can't really tell which one is looking better :/ Thanks!
Another Kinnarps +8 user here 😊 Used Kinnarps chairs many years at work, and recently commited to purchase one for my home office aswell. Thank you 🙏🏻 A request for your great channel: I see many people in my IT-proffession genre use gaming chairs (mostly for the price and look probably). Would be very interesting if you could do a non sponsored review (hard to find) on one of those chairs, to enlighten people on an ergonomic standpoint. My back still has a hard time forgetting me using one of those chairs! 😂 Thankfully that belongs to the past for me, but it’s still a trend in the industry and many teenagers begin early in life destroying their posture with this terrible gaming chairs. It’s a multi million dollar industry for sure. Take care!
Thank you mate! You could not be more spot on reg. gaming chairs: they are on my to-do-list for a while... it's just hard to find a reseller that opens his doors to a guy who will be super critical towards his product. But I'm not abandoning and I'll find a way!!
Hello @Olivier Girard - the Posture Guy! Can you please recommend a proper computer desk chair for a petite person of 158cm tall 70cm inseam (even proportions) and living in rural USA? We do not have Kinnarps dealer here,, and the chairs I try at the store are made for big people. Looking to order online. Thank you!
Hey! It's a really difficult question: the market changes depending on the country, and many brands I know aren't sold in the US, or the assortment is different. There's one I like for short people (and kids), which I reviewed here: czcams.com/video/3u-X9HF17O8/video.html. If you find it, go for it. Otherwise, I went to Amazon and searched for those with the shortest seat depth. I found this one www.amazon.com/VigorPow-Armless-Ergonomic-Computer-Adjustable/dp/B08R6VW3VW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=office+chair&qid=1681033462&refinements=p_n_feature_fourteen_browse-bin%3A23575385011%2Cp_72%3A1248915011%2Cp_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A23540025011%2Cp_n_feature_nine_browse-bin%3A8729538011%2Cp_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A23558247011&rnid=23558233011&s=furniture&sr=1-2, but that does not mean that I recommend it!! I seems to have a short seat pan, but I don't know how comfortable the backrest is (doesn't seem adjustable in height, and I can't determine if there are pressure points caused by the frame). If you manage to sit on it, it might be worth trying... but again, buying on a chair without testing it is a risky game...
bought the Fern and 6 months later i find this video which proved my doubts. There is, indeed, something wrong with the dimensions (long femurs + short torso) of this chair. Not major, but not perfect either.
A company with 500 employees need to buy 10+ different models, people are not the same ! It looks nice all the same keyboard, mouse, chair, desk in the same color but it's a horror for the employee. Here a compare between a Ahrend2020 ( it's populair in the Nederlands) bimvr.nl/haworth_fern.pdf
On paper, you're 100% right Erwin. But infrastructure departments hate to deal with several suppliers, models, guarantees, etc. Therefore they push for some kind of uniformity... When I was living in your country and working for a big international organization in Rijswijk, we needed 500 chairs over 3 years. Back then, the test results showed that we could satisfy 90+% of the users with the Kinnarps 6000 (old model), provided that we had x% of short seat pans and y% of big gas springs. Only medical cases had a special chair. This way, everybody was happy...
This is such a good and analytical review of a chair. Best review I've seen.
I am 5’7 and this chair is perfect for me. One of the most comfortable chairs I’ve tried. I did try steelcase and Herman miller chairs. Steelcase chairs are hard and uncomfortable 😣 the only one I like is the karman
What did you not like about Leap v2? Thx
@@shrek22 the aesthetics, the back rest is a bit too firm for my taste and it can get a bit hot after long periods of time sitting on it. I prefer mesh because it’s fresher and softer. Besides that, it is an amazing chair.
I have one with lumbar support and seat tilt features. These two important features do allow to configure the chair much better, as you can tilt the seat so the back side of it is lower and push up the lumbar support to be in exactly the right place.
Comparing this chair with competitors like Herman Miller, I find this chair to be much more comfortable, flexible and adjustable for different people needs. Head rest would be great, though, but even Aeron doesn't have one officially
Thanks for the feedback! Reg. seat pan angle, there are a few things to beware though, as I explain here: czcams.com/video/_M7t30EaLbU/video.html
Because of you, I am now
Considering the Kinnarps. I initially was eyeing the Haworth Zody but your video has shown me the benefits of the Kinnarps Plus 8. Thanks!
I have the adjustable lumbar support on my Fern and that puts the lumbar in the right place for me, as someone in the top 99th percentile.
I agree with this. I bought a Haworth Fern in Canada and for some reason they don't sell the lumbar support on their Canadian models because apparently we don't have spines that need to be supported. The mesh doesn't provide enough support alone, and the natural curve hits you too low in your butt. After sitting in the chair for a week it gave me terrible back pain.
I have this chair and the steelcase leap but both chairs seem to make my right foot start to numb after awhile. My heels are planted on the ground. Im short at 5'2. Do you think I might need a footrest or look for different requirements in a chair? Perhaps my setup is wrong.
I recently bought the Kinnarps Plus 8 thanks to your videos and I love it. The back support is just perfect.
Same for me, have it since december
Waoh, that's a super cool present to yourself!!
Are you in the US. I can’t find Kinnarps for sale here.
@@katiemazeika9228 no, Europe...
@@katiemazeika9228 I'm in the UK and I bought a refurbished model.
Love your videos. You are the first person who actually explained how to adjust a chair properly.
I know you did a mirra 2 review. But I am very interested in an aeron remastered review from you.
worth noting is the amazing return policy for anyone who think they are a good fit but not willing to take the risk. I wish steelcase had this return policy -_-
do you have any idea about how international this policy is? Is it only in the US or also in Europe?
You didn't mention the Digital Knit version of the chair. BTOD gave that version an S-tire rating along with the Gaming version of the Herman Miller Embody chair.
Hey, I really appreciate the perspective you bring in your reviews. I'm currently in the process of researching for a new chair. I'm considering the Haworth Soji and was wondering if you had any opinions on it. A review of the Soji from you would be great help.
I’d love to know which chair you went with. I am also stuck between the Fern and the Soji, and I’m really finding it hard to choose. I’m on the shorter side at 5’3 so it’s been kind of difficult to find good info that applies to me specifically. I’d love to know which chair you eventually pulled the trigger on.
I'm confused why you wouldn't use the lumbar support version. It allows your to move the support where it fits the user.
What is best chair in this fern price range? Do you think the fern lumbar support would've changed your view - not sure why you didn't get one with the lumbar support and forward tilt
This was super helpful, thank you! I didn't know about the pelvic bone placement etc. I'm going to look in your videos to find out if you have one on how to choose the right chair based on our measurements
You’re welcome! The best you can do is browse this playlist to focus on the areas that interests you most: czcams.com/play/PLrkU7wsPQIPri82EhSq3A3ruiKLWSnkQ2.html
quality information , thank you sir.
Does he recommend the embody or leap v2?
Bonjour,
Merci pour cette vidéo !
Quel siège conseilleriez-vous s'il vous plaît ? (1,81 m et 82 kg)
Great review, thank you
Agree with other commentators that the adjustable support can go a little bit higher and is in a good position
My chair arived Broken from the factory. Box was in perfect shape. It was put in the box broken. Very disapointed :(
Hell!! Did they take it back easily?
Hi Olivier, Thanks for all your videos! Any chance you review the OKAMURA CONTESSA chair? t
Thanks for the informative videoS I ended up getting a Leap V2 and the pelvic area that you point to in this video as well as my upper glutes are constantly screaming in the Leap. From your expertise would you say this is an adjustment period or a bad fitting chair where I should explore something like this Fern?
Thank you so much Girard. Your videos are always so informed. Have you reviewed the Embody?
I have, actually: czcams.com/video/iS0MBCrEVBA/video.html 😁
I have a 'stocky build', as you described with the shorter torso, longer legs, etc, and am also on the heavy side, however under the recommended max weight of the chair. Do you feel this chair would be appropriate for me? Thanks
Honestly, the lumbar support is really low. But it's worth having a try, sitting on it and feeling if the lumbar support is at belt level. If so, you can go for it!
Thanks for the review. Why you write that the optionnal lumbar support is not great ? Have it (without optionnal lumbar support) and indeed feel the pelvis support a little weak..
You're welcome! The main reason for it being not so great is that's not enough to compensate for the too low implementation of the backrest. Moreover, I have experience of it causing additional discomfort in some users. Finally, I have reports that the plastic tends to stiffen with the time; after a while you cannot adjust it anymore: if you move it, it just falls downwards.
It's really a pity, because the same chair with a height adjustable backrest would be absolutely great for tall people!
The adjustable support works great for me. Moves up above the belt. I highly recommend it. Maybe aggressive for some people but not me.
Which one you like more from fern and gesture?
Gesture 😊
Is this Haworth Fern chair recommendation for 5'5 ft thin woman?
do you like herman miller aeron? have you ever reviewed it?
Was this chair purchased on Haworth International site? What's the color of it? Silver Leaf or Byzantina? Their photos on website are horrible renders... Can't really tell which one is looking better :/ Thanks!
To be very honest, I have no clue... I went to a reseller of mine who had it, and didn't ask which color it was :)
Another Kinnarps +8 user here 😊 Used Kinnarps chairs many years at work, and recently commited to purchase one for my home office aswell. Thank you 🙏🏻
A request for your great channel: I see many people in my IT-proffession genre use gaming chairs (mostly for the price and look probably). Would be very interesting if you could do a non sponsored review (hard to find) on one of those chairs, to enlighten people on an ergonomic standpoint. My back still has a hard time forgetting me using one of those chairs! 😂 Thankfully that belongs to the past for me, but it’s still a trend in the industry and many teenagers begin early in life destroying their posture with this terrible gaming chairs. It’s a multi million dollar industry for sure. Take care!
Thank you mate! You could not be more spot on reg. gaming chairs: they are on my to-do-list for a while... it's just hard to find a reseller that opens his doors to a guy who will be super critical towards his product. But I'm not abandoning and I'll find a way!!
Hi thank you for the video. I am 1.77m will this be too small for me? How tall are you?
I'm 1.73m... I guess you'll have the same problem as me
Hello @Olivier Girard - the Posture Guy! Can you please recommend a proper computer desk chair for a petite person of 158cm tall 70cm inseam (even proportions) and living in rural USA? We do not have Kinnarps dealer here,, and the chairs I try at the store are made for big people. Looking to order online. Thank you!
Hey! It's a really difficult question: the market changes depending on the country, and many brands I know aren't sold in the US, or the assortment is different.
There's one I like for short people (and kids), which I reviewed here: czcams.com/video/3u-X9HF17O8/video.html. If you find it, go for it.
Otherwise, I went to Amazon and searched for those with the shortest seat depth. I found this one www.amazon.com/VigorPow-Armless-Ergonomic-Computer-Adjustable/dp/B08R6VW3VW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=office+chair&qid=1681033462&refinements=p_n_feature_fourteen_browse-bin%3A23575385011%2Cp_72%3A1248915011%2Cp_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A23540025011%2Cp_n_feature_nine_browse-bin%3A8729538011%2Cp_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A23558247011&rnid=23558233011&s=furniture&sr=1-2, but that does not mean that I recommend it!! I seems to have a short seat pan, but I don't know how comfortable the backrest is (doesn't seem adjustable in height, and I can't determine if there are pressure points caused by the frame). If you manage to sit on it, it might be worth trying... but again, buying on a chair without testing it is a risky game...
can you review the herman miller aeron remastered?
"If you have long femurs and a short torso the chair is perfect for you". That's me!
Fern or Steelcase Please? Which one has better back support?
I prefer Gesture than Please, but the backrest adjustability is better on the Please than on the Fern
@@OlivierGirard and comparing please v2 vs please air? Any preference and why?
@@FilSan86any update?
the seat is for people with long legs and short upper body :D
😂
Gaming chair review please, or leap v2
bought the Fern and 6 months later i find this video which proved my doubts. There is, indeed, something wrong with the dimensions (long femurs + short torso) of this chair. Not major, but not perfect either.
The seat depth isnt for tall people..its too short.
I bought it and everything was bad about it. It's far from ergonomic, steel case is far better. The back of the fern is a joke
This chair is better with knit fabric and lumbar support. The chair that appears on the video is no good
A company with 500 employees need to buy 10+ different models, people are not the same ! It looks nice all the same keyboard, mouse, chair, desk in the same color but it's a horror for the employee. Here a compare between a Ahrend2020 ( it's populair in the Nederlands) bimvr.nl/haworth_fern.pdf
On paper, you're 100% right Erwin. But infrastructure departments hate to deal with several suppliers, models, guarantees, etc. Therefore they push for some kind of uniformity... When I was living in your country and working for a big international organization in Rijswijk, we needed 500 chairs over 3 years. Back then, the test results showed that we could satisfy 90+% of the users with the Kinnarps 6000 (old model), provided that we had x% of short seat pans and y% of big gas springs. Only medical cases had a special chair. This way, everybody was happy...