herO's GREEDY new Protoss strategy! StarCraft 2 Finals (new patch)
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- StarCraft 2 Tournament 2023 ESL SC2 Cup Finals (NEW BALANCE PATCH) - herO battles ByuN in a poker game of cheese & drama in this dynamic new patch Terran vs Protoss series!
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StarCraft 2 Legacy of the Void - ESL SC2 Cup Tournament Finals KR 196 - ByuN (Terran) vs herO (Protoss) - Best of 5
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Thank you, Winter, for giving us excellent casts, funny jokes, and accurate commentary, and for always giving me something to do at work!
You must have such a hard job, take it easy friend!
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toss composition: every single unite protos has.
terran composition: marine marauder medivac.
conclusion: NERF stimpack buff meck
and terran's complain that protoss cant micro, when stutterstepping a bio ball was designed to move perfectly in a pack.
terran bio needs straight nerfs, no compensatory buffs, no counter nerfs to other races:
-EMP needs fundamental changes, either removing shied damage entirely or adding a telegraphed delay so it isn't instant, massive AoE damage
-stim duration nerf, not likely to change things in lower levels where the entire duration of the stim is rarely used effectively, but makes kiting against terran more punishing when micro'd
-marauder damage nerf (bonus vs armored reduced from 10 to 7 or 8)
-medivac HP or boost ability nerf. Medivac effectively grants the entire bio army flight, the fact that they can match the speed of mutalisks and phoenixes for about 60% of most maps' lengths is insane and disgusting to watch when the bio army is jumping up and down between the main and the third/fourth locations
"Balance" council keep trying to make terran mech viable (which is a questionable cause already since it adds more winning builds to an already dominant race), but the truth is that mech will never be used outside occasional mind-games versus super-zergs like Serral because bio is already too reliable.
mech has sucked for over 12 years and will continue to suck
I too was a marine hater until others showed me the correct path. The issue is the medivac. The mobility and stim healing its the problem. Its also what makes mines even more deadly against Protoss.
^_^ @@AntiDoctor-cx2jd this guy balance councils! Probably medivacs should be able to build widow mines like carriers and carry marines.
Marauders just need a less intense slow and medivacs needs to use more energy for the healing they do or boost needs to cost energy.
@@chloesmith4065mech hasn't sucked. Bio is just op.
Mech had been fine for a while now. Most terrans are bad at it and it's harder to win with because it's not op.
In a few games now we are starting to see protoss find new angles while attacking terran. I see it as a mirror of when terran gets tanks in position and goes, “now its your problem, try and dislodge them”. We are starting to see protoss push their armies in, and hold position the stalkers and zealots while moving the colossus around, or like in the last game using stalkers to put pressure on the terrans buildings without taking fire which forces terran to have to slowly reposition the tanks. Its pretty cool that we are starting to see new tactics and positional play after more than a decade.
why is terran still getting by with the same core strategies that just gets harder to counter with early game gimmicks added each patch?
@@laureloneiros1500 because their core design philosphy behind all their units are mobility and DPS which, as the pros get better and better mean their efficiency increases. They don't need new strats it you can eek out a bit more DPS with better micro.
@@geoffzephyrus9849whats the protoss core philosophy?
@@jaytea6516 Dying for Aiur.
@@jaytea6516 Slow, Powerful, Deception.
Over many patches the devs reduced the overal strength of protoss units. Nefts to collosus, void rays, warp in speed, zealot health etc. In addition since we're 10+ years into this game the more it gets figured out the harder it is to trick opponents into miss reading builds or timings. So while I still hold that (Slow, Powerful, Deception) are their core philosophy -- I'd say that the current Protoss doesn't have the strength or deception neccisary to really compete. That said, the new meta shifts will absolutely increase the deception possibilities and we'll see P win rates increase for a time and I'd expect them to settle back down. Not that anyone asked, but I'd also mention that changes to the speed of protoss units (tempest in this patch) are incredibly useful but lazy since they go against the core philosophy of the race.
Hero the only successful laddertoss in professional gaming as of late. Always fun to watch xD
Showtime and MaxPax have been performing pretty well but yeah Hero is the Serral and Maru of Protoss
The Hero we needed
Perhaps, this game highlights that the issue Protoss players complain about may lie more in the skill gap rather than in the meta or balance of Terran units?
This game does not highlight that at all. It highlights that if Protoss doesn't do significant damage early it's almost impossible to win against Terran.
@@razvanfodor5653 Really? Care to eloborate?
I'm telling ya. If they want to make disruptors less of a necessity, give an alternative. Give zealots a whirwind upgrade available after charge with a templar archives sub requirement and tweak AOE until balanced.
Just buff colossi and storm
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd Better off without or not, just nurfing an already weak race is silly. It is a tool that protoss have, and whatever you personally think of them, removing their viability even slightly, only hurts.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jdnah Protoss have tried for a while to do without disruptors, it didn't work, hence how we got here.
Watching protoss play pro starcraft these days is like watching a prius race a sports car....
Game 3, seeing a 2 upgrade advantage Protoss get trounced by a Terran bio army is really feels bad.
Game 1, seeing a 5 base Protoss get wiped by a 3 base Terran is additionally on-brand.
5-6 collosus with the army to support it at your door step meaning if you have your Terran or Zerg army at their base they are royalty fucked cause stalkers, zealots or whatever emergency units Toss have are pretty shit alone + the colossus takes too much supply and has low dps against building and big units so they take too long to clear stuffs. You just stall them long enough, crush their tech buildings and all of a sudden Protoss has nothing to make but zealots.
The strategy can work but only if you opponent is behind or can’t react fast enough. In this case, Byun scanned the army composition and decided to run forward with part of his army while leaving just enough to stall the Toss army behind defensive structures and buildings.
You have to balance your army, like how it works in game 4. Plus Hero plan got hit with the reinforcement warp prism got destroyed during the attack is also a factor. It makes the Toss army losing the mean to reinforce its army during a base trade battle.
Wow thanks for the spoiler
But Game 1 was won by the protoss player
Yeah game 5 Terran getting demolished by brain-dead 4gate blink feels really bad
Game 3: I am confused about what you are feeling here mate. What trounched what? Who and what? Excuse me?
29:51 +2 ATT +2 DEF finishes for Protoss, Hero ran away without engage in a fight
30:11 He blinks in and turns away, ate about 3 seconds worth of damage.
32:27 +3 P ATT finishes
32:34 +2 T DEF finishes
Walks around outside Terran Base and ate 3-5 tank shots for before going for a fight.
32:36 +3 P DEF finishes
32:43 +2 T ATT finishes
Decided to go inside a choke point that was setup by Byun.
Game 1: Are we just going to pick what we want to see, make statements, and ignored the rest of the details? Wooooyaaaah
7:35 4 Base with 82 Probes, only 4 base are actively mining (including gas). But, decided to use Pheonix and Zealots only against M M M M. 5th base only got started, almost same supply but 33 down on army.
12:48 88 probes with 2.3k ahead and just a couple of less army supply but won the game.
Lets fkn go. So glad to see herO bring home the win on this one.
if hero could just learn to use control groups, hed be unstoppable. im actually convinced thats the reason he doesnt use storm that much
Best protoss in the world btw
"going to get sued by Iowa" hilarious, liked immediately
One EMP can drain all the shields (about half hp) of more than 15 units. How does that make any sense? Which other ability in the game has the ability to INSTANTLY delete half the health of MULTIPLE units?
BUT THEY REDUCED IT'S RANGE IN A MINUSCULE WAY!!
It makes sense because it used to be balanced, but as players got better things got unbalanced.
Games got faster, as in more active all throughout and slow units in particular are left in the dust.
High templars are a fantastic counter to ghosts but actually they aren't because they are too slow.
Feedback is instant at range 10, but high templars need more speed, from their current 2,8 to 3,5 or more even.
Even 3,9 (ghost speed) might not be too crazily.
Honestly I don’t think EMP is that huge of an issue but I do think that Ghosts as an overall package are too strong. They’re just as good of casters as High Templar and Infestors but they’re also actually pretty good fighting units and pretty durable as well. They just don’t have any weaknesses so there’s no downside to just building 20 of them and using them like marines on steroids. I think they should have an armor modifier placed on them such as light so that their survivability isn’t so crazy - they already have the best survivability between their basic attacks fighting potential, cloak, and that they can be healed by medivacs. They’re the only caster in the game that can just stand their ground and survive through their combat ability and as a result they don’t have to be micromanaged as much and can fight directly with the army
@@tobiasL1991 feedback is an anti-caster, single target ability.
EMP is can blanket the entire protoss army removing all shields of almost all protoss units, removing 100 energy on all casters (including pheonix) and even prevents buildings such as the nexus and shield batteries from using their abilities.
No one is listening to your "protoss is OP" garbage anymore, you filthy terran. Nerf not just ghosts but ALL of terran
@@tobiasL1991yep. Plus HTs can't cloak and protoss has the worst detection in the game so it's more difficult to get HTs in position and/or get vision to cast.
i still dont understand why Terrans are the only one to have a raisable wall section. Protoss are forced to waste a unit between building gaps, zerg are designed not to need a wall, terrans do not have to worry about accidently pulling their wall away from where it needs to be.
"Hero completes his wall...achievement unlocked." lololololol
Winter single handedly carrying half the Starcraft community through their boring workdays
Thanks for making our days better!
The Mothership having it's old cloak mechanic wouldn't be unbalanced. Ironically Protoss is the race that would have the hardest time dealing with cloak. Zerg would take a bit of effort but their used to dealing with mines and ghosts.
All Terran builds have the counter built in from the early the game and all their unit comps shoot up x2. Heaven forbid they have to use a scan and not just emp to get rid of it+shields... If they want to style they could even build a detector unit.
Winter!! :D happy to see the new video here, love u man! : ) thank you so much for the good vibes, and your eternal effort to bring us top entertaniment content. Cheers man!
Yo such amazing matches!! Hero's the man!! : )
@winterStarcraft i have never played the game and only started watching a few weeks ago i really find it neat thanks
Ayyyy welcome 🎉
Give it a try, it's free
@chloesmith4065 to many apm for me I played command and conquer when I was 10/12ish loved it. But I don't think I want to start and be the worst player in history. I am thinking about trying the new game. Tempest rising I think it's called when it gets released.
"better byun unit composition" the same unit comp since wings of liberty lol
Protoss is in such an awful state, they have nothing to counter terrans
Liberators and ghosts were the difference winter was talking about. Liberators are pretty new too.
lol "just because you can move the army around doesn't seem to have increased the army strength much". Protoss still inadequate.
It's rough for Protoss right now
The iowa joke wassss very well done.
40:16 EXACTLY! Nerf the crutch, knee is still shattered. Protoss crawls. When will they learn?
_He can be your Hero baybeh_
_He can Toss away the pain_
Thanks for the content Winter!
This is what I expected for this New Mothership. Good for Mid game. Really feels like a Mothership Core in the more later tech tree and not too early.
Imagine winter buying cold cuts in a super market, bet you he talks exactly the same, jimmy !??? What u want ???? Ok we taking turkey 😂😂 man winter #1
Jimmy facereveal when? I heard Jimmy doesn't jog, he runs those streets.
lol :P
The disruptors are shit, the Starcraft 1 caterpillar was much better. They need to change that unit for the rave.
Yeah I miss reavers
seeing the toss having to intentionally sit 20 probes behind the terran with all their magic mules just to have a viable sized army against the terran highlights what a fuckin joke this game became
Or in game one how the Terran is down 20 workers and still has equal income because of mules
Wow, Hero is the only Protoss hope atm.
nerfing disruptor and baneling is like replacing swords with wooden sticks, nerfing the EMP is like replacing a rocket launcher with an assault rifle
It doesn't require upgrades, it's a more or less instant cast, it's still quite strong AND Ghosts are a solid fighting unit by themselves.
It needed a little bonk with the nerfbat at the very least; #trufaxx
I really appreciate Hero punishing Byun for only ever building bio. HEAVY robo splash just eating him alive you love to see it. ❤
The Marauders are amused 🤣
Back in the day, colossi could actually kill marauders
You are the best! Thanks for being so consistent man i look forward to your casts everyday!
Very close series, loved it!
Byun even had that first game if he kept up mental. He literally destroyed a huge and tech heavy force that protoss can't rebuild easily while bio is strong against all of it, low and high tech.
that moment when protoss has 20 less workers and you know how the fight will end... so you just check and youre right... okay next battle
Most times once I see the P is down by a certain supply or hugging their Nexus for dear life I just fast forward to the GG and watch the next game.
That Iowa dig was masterful never change Winter. Lol
Winter, Not the gamecaster we derseve but the gamecaster we need!
Command centers make the best damage soaks
Game 1 shows that game still has lack of balance. Widow mines are still so powerful that having 5-6 of them practitally stops enemy army.
Rebalance wont work here, rework is necessary.
Congrats from Spain! I are best class😎 when are you going to make a Protoss guide with the new patch?
I believe the protoss guide for this patch is as follows:
Is your name Hero? If not play terran.
Its wild how effective asking for likes is, ive been a long time viewer for years and it always just slipped my mine, but now since youve started asking i like every video lol
Game 1 was a mess. Hero completely out played him, and Byun literally could have won from being so behind because his race is broken in this matchup.
Absurd.
Well cast Winter! Thank you for your years of service.
I laughed way to hard at
The map is dark and full of terrains
That was gold
Best sc2 caster on youtube. JIMMY!
Thanks for beeing you ! keep it up ;)
"Balance" Console: hmm, we should buff widow mine again when we make another patch next year
55:56 micro GOD! the way he makes 2 SUV's repair the one repairing the supply depot is nuts, then slips the damaged one into the bunker... Wow
who hurt you? @@AntiDoctor-cx2jd
@AntiDoctor-cx2jd You really seem to be biased against terrans almost as much as they are biased on the new patch changes. I would agree that protoss is in shit place right now, but why the hate?
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd sorry, i meant biased as a whole based on your comments under this video. Should've been more specific.
Managing queens is more macro i think, unless you mean transfusion and focus fire medivacs when queens are pulled to defend.
As for terrans, they are probably the race that scales the most with micro, note: micro, not apm. Managing one medivac is not a miracle, but managing 2 of them and the main army at the same time is a lot harder. Also, i think zerg has more units that force terran to micro than protoss. Corrosive bile, banelings, fungal, parasitic bomb, all of them can delete bio army in seconds if not careful. I mean, there are more, but lurkers should not come to you as a suprise like a burrowed infestor might.
Splitting, target firing, these applies to almost all terran units. If terran can just stutter step or A move, that means you (opponent) build wrong army, and probably are down in either army supply, upgrades or out of position.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd i don't mean this repair action, but you speaking in general about terran players, or your comment about pros' mmr. In general, terran has the highest micro skill ceiling. Zerg probably for macro. Protoss? no idea. It's not that terran is broken (although they could use a small nerf), but the problem is protoss has been nerfed heavly in recent patches and is underpreforming in both PvT and PvZ matchups lately.
The marauders are …. Amused 😂
Do those chargelots seem faster than usual? Dudes sprinting around…
OHHHHH HHEEEERRRROOOO
always reminds me of big hero 6
Winter ❄️ thanks mate 👍
wait a second, ive seen this thumbnail somewhere before
Thank You
Om nom nom
Protos are just sooo IMBA OP!!!
finally! more herO!
Could you cover the bot community?
"the only splash damage that hero has right now... are byun's widow mines"
HAHAHAAAHAAHaHAHAAHAHaHaHA :D :D :D
Didn't EMP used to have a projectile that you could dodge? Or is that the ghost from BW?
Science vessel from bw
Is there any significance to the number of likes he asks for at the start of each video or is it an arbitrary number that increases by 1 each time? Either way, thanks for the video Winter! Always enjoy intense fights like this!
It goes up by one each video.
I can imagine being a newbie and loosing to byun using that game two push.
why did we all get nerfed except for terran? oh plot armor. IT WONT HELP YOU CASUALS!!
💜
#Stonks
For the algorithm
I watch everyday
+1 like but i cant subscribe anymore, im already subscribed!
Jimmy is being a lil slow with the numbers
❤
I propose 5k likes on this video and we get a Jimmy face reveal!
algo
Nice 1337th Like ... damn im old
The new cyclone is so strong that every T avoid to build it because of balancing reason 😂
why the fuck no one uses immortals
Every time I play terran I lose to proxy robo immortal rush since cyclones can't kite them anymore
Why the fuck would you 😂
+1
And We often hear Protoss players complain about the "buffs" to Terran, extending into the current season. It's interesting because Protoss has the potential to employ the same strategies we saw Hero use in Game 1, by expanding aggressively, much like a Zerg or a Mad Dog, with a constant stream of production and relentless map control pressure. We haven't even seen the Mass Carriers being produced yet.
Furthermore, Protoss players often voice their concerns about the strength of Bio units and the strength of Mech compositions and their unconventional "turtle" strategies that somehow yield them a high number of victories. It's as if we created the Cyclone to level the playing field, only to have Terran players lament the challenges they've faced since the inception of this game. It makes you wonder if our perspective might sometimes be perceived as egocentric, egotistical, self-absorbed, self-indulgent, selfish, or egoistic. One man only know and learn how to feel when pain are inflected on them. Shall we just remove the Terrace race for good to keep them happy? LOL
Damn that's a good way of showing to the world that you're a clown. Have you seen the amount of economical damage that ByuN has suffered ? Does that not equate to an instant loss to any other race except Terran ?
You're a clown if you think Terran is not overpowered right now. It took Hero 10 more minutes than it should have to end the game. Goes to show how overpowered Terran defenses are. And how easy it is to build an economy back after losing more than a third of your workers. He then loses his most important unit. The raven. Keeps losing mules and SCVs while getting out macroed. Game was somehow still "close" till the very end.
Dude he killed 20 workers with oracles because the terran had cyclones out of position. The game should've been completely over.
Just had one idea, what if medivacs would allow the marines to shut out as if they where in a bunker? Oh! that would be a good game changer as terrans would get their troops even shooting from the air inside the medivacs!
please consider like if you think its a cool idea
Some other games have this feature. Global Conflagration and C&C generals come to mind.
Her0 stop it. How am I going to get buffed Immortal and Collosus with you winning. Spoil sport
Its funny that everyone knows terran needs a nerf, and not a buff that they say is a nerf. it will NEVER happen. the balancers are BIAS to keep terran or zerg 1st. they have personal reasons affecting balancing. this will never change. this game is dead and has been dead and will never recover because the refusal to properly make it a 3 race game instead of 2. Terran has too much political power in the community "balance team". they are low lifes, with no potential or inner qualities. they will NEVER balance properly by internal design.
First???
NeW pAtCh MaKes TeRrAn ImbA ! cYcLoNeS ArE bEsT UnIt nOw
Im no pro, but hero's micro is so bad, it is painful to watch...
again, im no pro, but man hero makes very dumb mistakes, like he loses units for free in the most painful ways...
He doesn't use control groups.
It's getting to be too frustrating to watch SC... it's gross how strong Terran is vs Protoss. Every unit is just better. They either flat out destroy their counter parts, or have better versatility etc. Mostly the the former. Protoss has to play an absolutely perfect game to win. The first time they falter, the game falls apart. It's dumb.