Ranking Shadow of the Erdtree Bosses on their LORE

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024

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  • @FylinB563
    @FylinB563 Před 2 měsíci +465

    Honestly I feel like Metyr deserves to be higher, because it was revealed that what we perceived to be the greater will was actually Metyr the entire time, and that the golden order was founded on an interpretation of the greater will that metyr had

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Před 2 měsíci +57

      Plus she's literally his daughter.

    • @Jaxzee0122
      @Jaxzee0122 Před 2 měsíci +4

      you mean mater

    • @noahshafer288
      @noahshafer288 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@Jaxzee0122 it's metyr

    • @Grimsly3736
      @Grimsly3736 Před 2 měsíci +51

      She reminds me of “Ebrietas, Daughter of the Cosmos” from Bloodborne both abandoned

    • @JajsjNsbsvshana
      @JajsjNsbsvshana Před 2 měsíci +19

      So metyr was pulling the strings the whole time?

  • @Xenos369
    @Xenos369 Před 2 měsíci +246

    Bayle is metal AF. Bayle is the reason we even have dragon communion. A being SO PSYCHOTIC, he challenged and severely injured an ELDEN LORD and lived to tell the tale. Said Elden Lord then creates an entire ritual dedicated to hunting down Bayle and his kin in retaliation (Dragon Communion), producing what is now Drake Knights. Bayle is still kicking around despite the Ritual for ages, seeing civilizations rise and crumble to dust. And to top it off, even IF you manage to kill Bayle and consume his heart, his psychotic murderous rage will TAKE OVER YOUR SOUL. I fucking love all the lore around this character.

    • @JajsjNsbsvshana
      @JajsjNsbsvshana Před 2 měsíci +8

      @@Xenos369 I was locked in fighting bayle icl. I had bros whole moveset memorised after 4 tries, I just couldn’t figure out how to dodge his flying fire breath attack. Other than that: S tier boss. Really teaches you patience.

    • @dripmonke5569
      @dripmonke5569 Před 2 měsíci +11

      CURSE YOU BAYLE

    • @philzh7973
      @philzh7973 Před 2 měsíci +1

      lol nah Bayle’s ain’t taking over shit. We murked him like we murked every other demigod and god, including his archrival Placidusax. He’ll just have to accept that the Tarnished is his one true master.

    • @NN-ru9md
      @NN-ru9md Před měsícem

      @@philzh7973 small pp syndrome haver:

    • @-Kagura_Bachi-
      @-Kagura_Bachi- Před měsícem +1

      @@philzh7973 ong

  • @GorbWasHere
    @GorbWasHere Před 2 měsíci +184

    Love how the entire plot can be boiled down to Metyr playing telephone with the Greater Will and messing up REAL BAD

    • @drcox012
      @drcox012 Před 2 měsíci +4

      I don't think this can be understated enough. Either when Marika obfuscated the lands of shadow or for some other reason, the entirety of the golden order and the lands between was built on a foundation of literally nothing lol.
      Nobody bothered to even ask. Ranni committed terrible crimes for quite literally no reason. I'm not even sure how any entity was able to actually imprison Marika in the Erdtree after she shattered the ER. There's literally no force that could've stopped her lol. Certainly wouldn't be the greater will LOL.
      Basically, if you think too hard about SOTE lore, you kinda eventually come to the conclusion that FromSoft destroyed their lore. Not to even mention the Radahn retcon.

    • @ignisinfernal1843
      @ignisinfernal1843 Před měsícem +6

      @@drcox012 Except Metyr and the fingers do have actual power? Ranni still could be influenced by the Fingers and most people realized the Elden Beast clearly imprisoned Marika long before the DLC came out. Literally nothing about the lore is destroyed.

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 Před měsícem +4

      @@drcox012 The fingers do have power. They create shadow bound beasts, like Blaidd and Maliketh. And only the finger slayer blade can kill the two fingers. The elden beast traps marika, and turns raddagon into a weapon, much like the fingerslayer blade.
      Ranni commited her acts to cut off all the influence from all the outer gods, and create a new world where the god (her) cannot be conctacted, so the ulitmate sins those gods demand in worship cannot be repeated.
      Shes not just stopping the greater will, but also the scarlet rot, formless mother, frenzied flame, the fell god and possibly several others like the great serpent and some unkown ones.
      And Rahdahn isnt a retcon.
      Ranni ,godwyn, the nox, selvius, sellen, vyke , the mausoleums and miqeullas corpse all show that souls and flesh are two sperate things, and can be revived, duplicated and transfered between vessels.
      Your argument about shadow of the erdtrees lore is just what you claim the lands between are built on, nothing but a massive misinterpritaition

  • @isaiahjoyce4783
    @isaiahjoyce4783 Před 2 měsíci +104

    One correction about st Tina, she didn’t force people into slumber, they amended to her for it when in despair and she provided the wary and downtrodden with rest. Miquella forces subjugation, trina relieves pain to the pained

    • @isaiahjoyce4783
      @isaiahjoyce4783 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Amended-> came; I don’t know how I autocorrect got there lmao

  • @Nordic_Vampire
    @Nordic_Vampire Před 2 měsíci +89

    Gaius being radahn’s rival is just so funny to me, he’s an ordinary dude riding on a giant boar and radahn is a giant Demi-god riding on a scrawny horse. I feel like this is very clearly the joke they were trying to go for here

    • @pugachan9928
      @pugachan9928 Před 2 měsíci +18

      also Gaius is an albanauric which is why hes on a mount, also a lone albanauric girl on a hut near his boss arena drops his greaves which is the only gear thats missing from the remembrance shop, and also he cant wear them

    • @buffoonustroglodytus4688
      @buffoonustroglodytus4688 Před měsícem +7

      @@pugachan9928The real lore is that gaius was getting it on with his albinauric wife but was in such a hurry to kill us he just hopped his nekkid ass on his boar and immediately charged us.

  • @sincere3712
    @sincere3712 Před 2 měsíci +29

    2 things abt midra
    - The torch nanaya has is the spine of a previous failed Lord of Frenzy - and it’s all that remains of said Lord. This seems to imply she’s a figure like Hyetta (but more direct) trying to make a Lord. Midra’s remembrance incant supports this as it says he wasn’t the first failed frenzy Lord.
    - Nanaya’s curse - as it’s called - for him to ‘endure’ seems more like it’s her trying to get the madness within him to fester til he becomes a Lord. Unendurable Frenzy’s description makes it seem like more pain/suffering = more frenzy

    • @ndroidryan7659
      @ndroidryan7659 Před 2 měsíci +6

      It’s actually the spine of her and Midra’s kid. In the photo, she’s holding her stomach, implying she’s pregnant. That’s why the spine is so small

    • @sincere3712
      @sincere3712 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@ndroidryan7659 it could be but it feels weird for the kid to be a failed Lord who died - but midra’s an older failed Lord who’s still alive - and also the spine belonged to a man and not a child. Plus he was alive in an age long past, in a distant land, and not just the land of shadow.

    • @refuuo
      @refuuo Před měsícem

      I don't think Nanaya was trying to make midra a Lord of frenzy tbh

  • @oxtheox494
    @oxtheox494 Před 2 měsíci +27

    never let bro cook again

  • @Urd-Vidan
    @Urd-Vidan Před 2 měsíci +86

    Metyr is important. Since the Greater Will is gone and the communication to the Greater Will comes from the Two Fingers that goes through Metyr then to the Greater Will, this means Metyr has been winging it the whole time. She's the one who's responsible for all the shit in the base game just cus her dad's being an absent parent.

  • @bigb0ss583
    @bigb0ss583 Před 2 měsíci +93

    Bro forgot the greatest boss of the entire dlc, GOLDEN HIPPOPOTAMUS 🗣️🗣️

    • @morfeyy-
      @morfeyy- Před 2 měsíci +5

      fuck that thing in particular bro. worst boss in the dlc.

    • @clamzy7
      @clamzy7 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@morfeyy-what did he do to you? 💀

    • @morfeyy-
      @morfeyy- Před 2 měsíci +7

      @@clamzy7 oh just ended 6 fights with a one shot out of nowhere.

    • @ahkosorsomesaykosby9999
      @ahkosorsomesaykosby9999 Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@@morfeyy-2 fragment ahh

    • @patimat3776
      @patimat3776 Před měsícem

      ​@@clamzy7his charge attack has a hitbox size of australia

  • @afloatcashew6828
    @afloatcashew6828 Před 2 měsíci +19

    "Putrescent knight wasn't what i wanted so it bad lore"
    Free my boy putrescent knight from this undeserved critisism
    Also, Metyr is number 1 for lore in this dlc, and the only one i will debate on this placement is messmer, but otherwise Metyr has the biggest lore drop in the game with the coolest design ever

  • @Phyren-king
    @Phyren-king Před 2 měsíci +17

    Also we know messmer was sealed later on after Godfrey was banished as he knows what a tarnished is and Godfrey was banished when he became the first tarnished

  • @zereeni
    @zereeni Před 2 měsíci +34

    putrescent knight is amazing i really don’t understand the hate

    • @phlegmfiend
      @phlegmfiend Před 2 měsíci +7

      He’s my favorite boss from the dlc 😭

    • @simonjameskenway6933
      @simonjameskenway6933 Před 2 měsíci +4

      ​@@phlegmfiend mid taste tbh

    • @phlegmfiend
      @phlegmfiend Před 2 měsíci +7

      @@simonjameskenway6933 sorry we don’t got the same favs 💀

    • @oXRaptorzXo
      @oXRaptorzXo Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@phlegmfiendI mean he’s a good boss but favorite from the entire dlc?

    • @phlegmfiend
      @phlegmfiend Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@oXRaptorzXo I mean i really loved the dlc overall. Like if I was to make a tier list, the putrescence knight, and a few other bosses would also make S tier for me. It’s just that the PK very slightly passes them in personal enjoyment for me. I love whimsical designs when it comes to otherwise grim dark fantasy games. Makes those fights more memorable to me.

  • @Stanzbey69
    @Stanzbey69 Před 2 měsíci +16

    Midra and messmer are probably my favorite bosses in elden ring now

    • @hongkong8907
      @hongkong8907 Před 2 měsíci +3

      THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS 🗣️🗣️🗣️

  • @xdking0087
    @xdking0087 Před 2 měsíci +68

    I will not stand for Rellana slanders. Her lore is interesting because the implications of her joining Messmer's crusade could tell us the timeline of things. Like, Rellana could join Messmer during Radagon and Rennala's marriage, during which time is when Marika sends Messmer to purge the Hornsents and it would make sense that the Carian would help the Golden Order.
    Or she join Messmee before the Leyndell vs Carian, her renouncing her royal status to follow Messmer wouldn't be approved by Rennala, but she obviously didn't stopped her.
    Also she isn't just some Carain knight, her skills for swordmanship and sorcery is so great she became Messmer's Sword, not just that, when she decided to join Messmer she gain herself followers which shows how charismatic and skillful she is. And her knowing Messmer would fail, but still chose to stay with him prove how loyal she is. The fact you dismiss this as a "simp" is undeserved. Rellana is amazing

    • @VictorIV0310
      @VictorIV0310 Před 2 měsíci +19

      She deserved a cutscene and some voicelines.

    • @a_turtle2074
      @a_turtle2074 Před měsícem

      One issue is that Messmer is more likely a Radagon+Marika child because of the red hair and unspoken child naming convention. Which kinda implies that Rellana is Messmers Aunt who abandoned her grieving sister to essentially serve under her nephew who in turn serves under the man who broke her sisters heart and the woman she was left for.

    • @ignisinfernal1843
      @ignisinfernal1843 Před měsícem

      ​@@a_turtle2074 Considering Messmer is said to be older than Radahn, he's likely a Marika and Radagon kid from before she married Godfrey and Radagon married Rennala or has a different father, so it is a bit less weird.

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 Před měsícem +1

      Radagon marries rennala. Brings his child with him, Mesmer. He grows close to rellana, which is why she follows him. Rahdahn is born, he grows up with mesmer, which is why hes like a brother. Rahdahn also learns gravity magic from a onyx lord with gius, which is why they are freindly rivals.
      And then Mesmer is sent on crusade with Gius and rellana follows them

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 Před měsícem +1

      @@a_turtle2074 We dont know the gaps between events. Mesmer going on crusade could have happened years before radagon left rennala.
      The fact rennala gifted her sister with a lock of hair, suggesting a large send off, it does suggest that it happend long before she was cucked.
      Rahdahn was probabaly the oldest, given his size, and hes the only one mentioned to have had a relaitionship with Mesmer/Gius.
      Ranni also finds solace in the snowy crone when Rennala loses her mind, so he Aunt, rellana, was probabaly not around.

  • @ghazz4444
    @ghazz4444 Před 2 měsíci +78

    I understand all the criticism towards Radahn being the final boss, but guys, 3 of the main cast of NPC's explain why Radahn is here, and it also explains what Malenia said to Radahn in the first Elden Ring trailer. The build up was crazy, it felt like the Godfrey fight, a lord vs a lord.

    • @Coeaxe
      @Coeaxe Před 2 měsíci +1

      fr

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci +12

      Sure it’s really well explained i the dlc, doesn’t mean I have to like it though, I think even know I like the final boss even less

    • @ghazz4444
      @ghazz4444 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Pogobro I never said I loved the bossfight, I'd much rather fight Godwyn, but I can't say I hated it. I think that if it didn't have any build up, I'd hate the bossfight.

    • @debiluspegus8236
      @debiluspegus8236 Před 2 měsíci +9

      Yes, I agree that, in the dlc, it's build up.
      In the main game, it leaves lots of incoherences and grotesque holes in the lore that doesn't make sense, that's why I hate it, because it's possible to have a prime radahn and a godwyn boss fight due to radahn holding the stars (which means no eclipse) for example

    • @ignisinfernal1843
      @ignisinfernal1843 Před měsícem

      @@debiluspegus8236 Godwyn's long dead. It was never going to happen. You don't have to like it, but it doesn't leave any holes in the lore. It all does make sense even if it's not something that people would've predicted.

  • @DJIronChef
    @DJIronChef Před 2 měsíci +12

    Metyr, I clapped him in 1 try, but he's like #2 next to Bayle for me. First try on Bayle I got him to half and he melted me. I came back after progressing the story of Dragon Communion more, got the buff, got Igon, and having Igon's voice acting made the fight come more alive. Every other NPC summon has nothing to offer minus one or two with a line or Dialogue. THIS mf just can't hold his fury in and rages most of the fight and even when it ends. I love it.

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest Před 2 měsíci +7

      Metyr is female. She's the daughter of the Greater Will.

    • @DJIronChef
      @DJIronChef Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@TheStraightestWhitestthen whatever flame dudes name is

  • @darkmatter9643
    @darkmatter9643 Před 2 měsíci +75

    Ansbach explains why radahn is here if you do his questline

    • @CharlotteBlorbs
      @CharlotteBlorbs Před 2 měsíci +21

      Still not great narratively
      In fact that fight existing kinda does a 180 on the themes explored in the base game and ruins them

    • @laceylopp7039
      @laceylopp7039 Před 2 měsíci +9

      @@CharlotteBlorbswdym by that? what themes?

    • @masonstewart6232
      @masonstewart6232 Před 2 měsíci +10

      ​​@@laceylopp7039 Yeah, I agree.
      It's kinda difficult to talk about themes in Elden Ring when there are clearly more than one in play, and the dlc expands on and references quite a few of them

    • @AALion2004
      @AALion2004 Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@@CharlotteBlorbsTrue honestly fighting Radahn again felt like a somehow emperor palpatine has returned type deal we should've fought someone new or just Miquella himself

    • @mooron394
      @mooron394 Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​​@@AALion2004I think it should have been some kind of monster formed by miquellas attempt to revive godwyn, destined death itself.

  • @gustavonomegrande
    @gustavonomegrande Před 2 měsíci +11

    The boney boss right before Trina has his internal name refer to the gloam eyed queen, so we can assume that it was planned but they've scrapped her lore😢

    • @tatu9805
      @tatu9805 Před 2 měsíci +2

      The Gloameyedefroy Queen

  • @m4rcin847
    @m4rcin847 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Im absolutely sure that someone else will point that out, but.... Dude, Metyr revelations are one of the most important lore stuff in a whole game. It should switch places with Bayle - fight with him is FUCKIN EPIC (plus CURSE YOU BAYLE!!, ofc), but lore wise, its just a uber drake that fought Placidusax, rip off his two heads and lost. How is this more important than a whole World being build on a lie for possibly milions of years?

  • @dave_yarders
    @dave_yarders Před 2 měsíci +9

    Gaius was actually surprisingly interesting for me. If you explore the area after killing him, you'll find a random albinauric archer (the kind in Consecrated Snowfields) who drops some footwear item of Gaius's that states he's actually an albinauric too

  • @masonstewart6232
    @masonstewart6232 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Many of you decisions I do agree with, a couple not so quite. But if there is one thing you got right at the end of this...
    I do be simpin for the Dragon Priestess

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Oh nooooooooo CUUUUUURRRSSSE YOU BAAAAYYYLLLE

  • @rythmiccoma2809
    @rythmiccoma2809 Před 2 měsíci +4

    Honestly, Rellanna would have been infinitely improved if her name was Renna.
    Ranni using her aunt's name as a cover and her Rise to hide her portal would very much check out.
    Edit: In terms of Romina, the remembrance mentions that the butterflies were masterless. It's unlikely that she was the one sealed, but instead is almost like Metyr to the Greater Will. A communication point between the world and something sealed or far away. Its possible that her becoming a Saint of Rot is what allowed the Rot God to create an Empyrean of its own.
    But those are only my thoughts.

    • @ignisinfernal1843
      @ignisinfernal1843 Před měsícem

      As much as I think people exaggerate the issue with her name a bit too much, that would've been incredible if her name was Renna. Ranni could've even met the Snow Witch through her to tie it all together even more.

  • @arkhanok6329
    @arkhanok6329 Před 2 měsíci +71

    Good vid although you put a spoiler in the thumbnail so maybe chage that? put messmer instead he is more iconic and every one knows he is a boss in this dlc.

    • @Staycoldyoung
      @Staycoldyoung Před 2 měsíci +4

      Get off the internet atp

    • @arkhanok6329
      @arkhanok6329 Před 2 měsíci +5

      @@Staycoldyoung I already beat the dlc

    • @K4mui2152
      @K4mui2152 Před 2 měsíci +32

      @@Staycoldyoung Man, he's just addressing a concern people may have if they don't wanna get spoiled.

    • @Slaughter_Hill
      @Slaughter_Hill Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@K4mui2152spoiler? Acting as if there’s a story here. That could just be radhag, brother to radhan

    • @Dusty850
      @Dusty850 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@arkhanok6329 ok don't get me wrong I understand but it's been near a week so most ppl have beaten it

  • @mrgumelo4067
    @mrgumelo4067 Před 2 měsíci +6

    I like the vid, dedication wise is pretty good. What you should know though is that the ranking you did seems much more like fight build up than just lore itself.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci

      For me the build up to each fight is part of the lore, knowing who we are about to fight, and than learning the why

  • @leek5682
    @leek5682 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Radahn lore is not good tbh. Nothing about his connection to Miquella in the base game. Would've rather fought Marika right after her ascension to godhood because the trailer with her at the divine gate is cooler than any cutscene from the actual dlc...

    • @ignisinfernal1843
      @ignisinfernal1843 Před měsícem

      That scene is really cool, but it would've been super contrived to somehow make that work. Also would be kinda redundant since you already fight Radagon and Marika would be on your side. The Radahn lore is actually pretty decent, though. There already was a bit linking Miquella and Radahn in the base game with the whole fact that we already knew Malenia was fighting him due to something to do with Miquella and there was the whole whisper in his ear thing. Fromsoft DLC final bosses almost always have no or minimal build up in the base game (Manus is never mentioned, we just know the Abyss exists, Sinh was never mentioned, Fume Knight wasn't mentioned, Ivory King wasn't mentioned, Gael wasn't mentioned)

    • @leek5682
      @leek5682 Před měsícem

      @@ignisinfernal1843 good perspective honestly. as epic as the ending kind of was, I still wanted just a little more. more of what, I'm not really sure. maybe the ending being something other than "miquella sits in normal chair"

    • @ignisinfernal1843
      @ignisinfernal1843 Před měsícem

      @@leek5682 That's 100% fair. Unfortunately Fromsoft likes to just have their DLCs end kinda abruptly and make you want more. It would've been really cool if we could've gone in the Gate of Divinity to get an alternate ending and maybe got to see an actual conversation with Miquella and Radahn or maybe even a cutscene showing a memory of how Marika became a god like from the trailer.

    • @leek5682
      @leek5682 Před měsícem

      @@ignisinfernal1843 yeah that's sort of what I was thinking. use the gate somehow, maybe linked to a npc quest, and fight a secret boss or just get another cutscene

  • @tirionpendragon
    @tirionpendragon Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think the whimsical design of the Putrescent Knight is a perfect pair with Saint Trina's vibes.
    It's meant to look like a "gentle and dreamy" knight, but at the same time he's creepy and dark; he rappresents the slow putrescence and decay and i think has a lot of contact points with both Malenia's rot and Godwyn's death, i don't remember where but there was an item or a dialogue in the base game that described Godwyn's state like an eternal slumber.

  • @Akira-uy4yd
    @Akira-uy4yd Před 2 měsíci +10

    20:00 Btw the God that Placidusaxx served is heavily implied to be Greater Will. Similar to GW, Placidusaxx's god left the lands between. It is likely Greater Will stopped giving its guidance around the end of Placidusaxx's reign.
    Also flames in this verse are usually indicative of an outer god. Ex: Bloodflame->Formless Mother, Ghostflame->Twin Birds etc. And the only two enemies that have Golden Flames are Placidusaxx and Elden Beast. Yeah, I loved how much this DLC adds to Dragon Lore.

    • @krispo7256
      @krispo7256 Před 2 měsíci

      Placidusax was consort to a god similar to how godfrey or radagon was married to Marika

    • @Akira-uy4yd
      @Akira-uy4yd Před 2 měsíci +3

      @@krispo7256 Placidusaxx's heads are off different sizes. Which makes me believe that it has both male and female aspects to it. So it's possible Placidusaxx is his own consort.

    • @hugo-pg5tv
      @hugo-pg5tv Před 2 měsíci +1

      ​@@Akira-uy4ydin the game files it also says he has female and male heads.

    • @cheerlessmarshes2768
      @cheerlessmarshes2768 Před 2 měsíci +1

      greater will is not a god he's an outer god, there's a big difference. Placi is waiting for his god whom he's a lord to like godfrey and marika or miquella and radahn. Plus just because placi has multiple genders doesn't mean he's his own god. Miquella and marika both disprove this

    • @hugo-pg5tv
      @hugo-pg5tv Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@cheerlessmarshes2768 and what states that Placidusax must be the same type of elden lord as Godfrey? Elden lord doesn't have to have the same meaning across every age.

  • @ancientarrow7420
    @ancientarrow7420 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Imagine you and the dragonlord having an intense fight to the (almost) death and badly injuring eachother after an epic 1 on 1. And then the 5.4 ft guy with big sword kills the both of you on his own.

  • @SugarFreeVampire
    @SugarFreeVampire Před 2 měsíci +7

    Miquella is not evil, that's what makes him terrifying as well as fascinating, he doesn't have a shred of bad intentions in him, just a really crooked moral sense

    • @zavexcapricious2519
      @zavexcapricious2519 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Exactly, his little rant about that kinda pissed me off lol Miquella isnt evil, at worst he going for an ends justify the means kind of thing, which is WHY he is discarding everything including his capacity to love, to the point St Trina pleads with you not to let him throw it all away and kill him instead of letting him trap himself in divine suffering just to make right what Marika has done.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci

      I mean he might not think he is evil but his actions are very much so evil. Itherrs not really any light for me at least that can make miquella anything but straight up a bad person

    • @SugarFreeVampire
      @SugarFreeVampire Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@Pogobro We're not talking about him being a bad person, we're talking about him being evil, wich he is not. He just said Miquella is evil wich is factually not correct that's all

    • @KingofAwesomness14
      @KingofAwesomness14 Před 2 měsíci

      agreed, i was like, ya know what, ya don't have to like Miq. But to say he was evil was really just...petty, which to be fair he does say himself, but i still think that was just...not the best thing to say given that other characters in the game have done far worse.

  • @feroxultimate3711
    @feroxultimate3711 Před 2 měsíci +1

    About Bayle its also cool that his name and name of Igon are reference to GRRMs song of ice and fire, Bayle the Dread = Balerion the Black Dread and Igon = Aegon the Conqueror

  • @Raccoon-man2253
    @Raccoon-man2253 Před měsícem

    I love the way that it cut out at the end the moment he mentioned silk song I knew something like that was gonna happen

  • @pkpseudo5166
    @pkpseudo5166 Před 2 měsíci +2

    5:58 Bro is pro-genocide 😭

  • @lemonMPG-zq5je
    @lemonMPG-zq5je Před 2 měsíci +12

    “Turns out I’m on messmer’s side”
    I’m with you

  • @0malleyAlleyc4t
    @0malleyAlleyc4t Před 2 měsíci +4

    You didnt complete Igon quest. I didnt hear the CURSE YOOOUUU BAAAYYYLLLEE

  • @geeshta
    @geeshta Před 2 měsíci +3

    Finally after such a draught! Honestly I was expecting a Nine Sols video

    • @geeshta
      @geeshta Před 2 měsíci +1

      Btw I know it can be hard to find the time for hobbies but when the next one comes out I'll be here 😆

    • @geeshta
      @geeshta Před 2 měsíci +1

      Oh also no April fool's video 😭 those are some of my favourites. Well I watched Pizza Tower again.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Thanks irl has been keeping me down tbh. BUT Nine sold is happening haha

  • @orpheemulemo8053
    @orpheemulemo8053 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I love the lore on Rellana

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci

      What specifically do you like about it?

    • @orpheemulemo8053
      @orpheemulemo8053 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Pogobro Well Rahdahn I like fact they explain why Rahdahn and mellania fought and what she said I think an item description or something calls Rahdahn the lord of promises the DLC I guess gave detail on that

  • @BezzyBee03
    @BezzyBee03 Před 2 měsíci +3

    You’re pronouncing the names wrong on purpose aren’t you.

  • @FireFlyLp100
    @FireFlyLp100 Před 2 měsíci +1

    for rellana lore, a friend suggested to me, that the blue dancer talisman mentions her as melanias teacher.

    • @buffoonustroglodytus4688
      @buffoonustroglodytus4688 Před měsícem

      That is just plain wrong. Does this mean godfrey is the blue dancer cause his cape is blue?? Maybe it was ranni all along, dancing in the moolight, godwyn not feeling so warm and bright cause he’s full of death blight.

  • @raidenstokes1026
    @raidenstokes1026 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Poor Rellana, gets called a simp twice, but deserved

  • @toasted4927
    @toasted4927 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I just cannot comprehend how the f*ck did you manage to put rellana below 2 of the least important bosses. Rellana's lore was a bit secretive yes but she was the queen of all carian knights and she sacrificed her life and her career for messmer who was on the road of failure which she knew. You are right about the naming as well, I laughed out loud seeing it the first time.

  • @laxor5902
    @laxor5902 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Midra was also tortured by the Hornsent. The sword going through his spine is a form of torture they used for the worst of criminals.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci

      Oh really? For some reason I though that was self inflicted to keep the madness in, the hornsent doing it does make sense though

    • @laxor5902
      @laxor5902 Před 2 měsíci

      @@Pogobro I believe it says that in the description of the great Sword you get from his remembrance

    • @Sablemae76
      @Sablemae76 Před 2 měsíci

      She wanted midra to endure to get the strength to be the Lord of frenzy flame. The torture of enduring the pain pushes him to become the Lord of frenzy

  • @Gabrielson12345
    @Gabrielson12345 Před 2 měsíci +5

    I OH CURSE YOU BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYLE!!!

  • @Cheeseman12822
    @Cheeseman12822 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Your hopeful for silksong… I think we gotta wait until Elden ring 7

  • @Jinxer2024
    @Jinxer2024 Před měsícem

    I know that this isnt relevant to the video but I think there’s a clue in cuphead you could use to solve the lore. In inkwell isle three, we meet this fork NPC. He gives us a filter if we get gold rank on a bunch of bosses. However, he could be connected to the dish warriors. (He is a fork after all) Plus, why the two tone filter? It just feels too random. Maybe this has something to do with the astral plane.

  • @LOLErwin
    @LOLErwin Před měsícem

    0:58 dude the only reason I clicked on the vid was to know that characters lore

  • @SirMimi777
    @SirMimi777 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Completely unhinged madness giving Rellana a lower tier than the Scadu Flower avatar.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci +1

      Listen the cuphead boss was better than pontiff to me are you really surprised lol

  • @leobruch3697
    @leobruch3697 Před měsícem

    The only gods we actually see and fight are Radagon/Marika and Miquells+Radahn and killing them also gives you the message god felled, so I don’t think the scorpion lady is supposed to be the actual god of war sealed away in the lands between. I also believe the outer gods are different to Marika and Miquellas kind of godhood with both of them being different to the greater will aswell.

  • @alvarorubio1993
    @alvarorubio1993 Před 2 měsíci

    I feel you Igon, my brotha. "Curse you Bayle".
    I fought Midir in DarkSouls 3 and and the similitures are there while keeping his own personality. Also fire lightning is cool as f*ck

  • @bruh7170
    @bruh7170 Před 2 měsíci

    For tbh the dancing lion deserves to be higher in the list. Because it also explains why markia hated the omen so much in the original game. The original game explanation kinda felt off.

  • @halflight3592
    @halflight3592 Před 2 měsíci

    9:56 and that was the move that made radahn cry

  • @Oknahidwin
    @Oknahidwin Před měsícem

    Miquella just isnt evil tho. Hes extremely morally grey. But his actions in the entire timeline are defo more good than bad

  • @discipleofdeath2517
    @discipleofdeath2517 Před 2 měsíci

    Love the madness forest and the creepy bloodborne kind of frenzy eye creatures. Especially how you can kill them.

  • @gachalordnoobie4911
    @gachalordnoobie4911 Před 2 měsíci

    Gaius is interesting in that he is actually an albinauric who became a member of high position and skill - a bit like Loretta.

  • @elricmon2099
    @elricmon2099 Před 2 měsíci

    A detail I noticed is that Metyr is the mother of all TWO fingers and fingercreepers. That confirms that the three fingers do not share the same origin as the others

    • @buffoonustroglodytus4688
      @buffoonustroglodytus4688 Před měsícem

      The three fingers share their origin with the middle finger and the try finger but hole messages

  • @thefmaria2560
    @thefmaria2560 Před 2 měsíci

    Miquella ended up being evil but he DID care for his sister and for the unwanted in the beginning.
    The path of godhood and abandoning his parts behind is what made him this way.
    Honestly I’ve seen worse characters than him in the game.
    To me, making people love you is not more terrifying than sticking limps of other warriors into your body, causing genocide, or devouring them one by one like a gluttonous shit, or performing horrifying blood rituals. As long as you know what you’re doing with this love compel, which Miquella used in the wrong ways…

  • @Cas-ed9ob
    @Cas-ed9ob Před 2 měsíci +4

    Everyone complaining about spoilers, yet the video literally is titled ranking on lore. How dumb you gotta be?
    On another note, the thing i wanna know most, is did messmer see the hippo and just goes "i want it"

    • @eclipzex77
      @eclipzex77 Před 2 měsíci

      You wouldn't want a Hyppoporcupine if you saw one?

  • @JHUKCHVR
    @JHUKCHVR Před 2 měsíci

    Idk how the footage for every boss is bro getting clapped until he fights consort Radahn and parries everything no diff

  • @tylerpetersen6226
    @tylerpetersen6226 Před 2 měsíci +9

    I really wish we got the gloam eyed queen she is the only god/empyrean that can embody some actual hope for the lands between to actually heal.
    Miquella is trying to dominate everything turning everyone into essentially drones
    Malenia is damaged goods and needs to be kept away from godhood at all costs
    Marika is too broken to be of any use to anyone other than to serve as a vessel for the elden ring
    Rani is downright ruthless willing to orchestrate the night of the black knives and butcher her siblings to get what she wants. Then upon becoming a god promptly leaves with you and the elden ring not really attempting to fix anything. (I personally rate age of stars as the best ending with the duskborn age as my second choice)

  • @SMTBilly
    @SMTBilly Před 2 měsíci

    I was really high when I first saw a clip of commander gauis and thought he was a goblin

  • @xxtwod7475
    @xxtwod7475 Před 2 měsíci +8

    W Rellana opinion. All the bosses are somewhat cool even the boar guy to me but rellana felt lore wise dumb

  • @hunterbishop6310
    @hunterbishop6310 Před 2 měsíci

    Not a knock on your lore knowledge, as I haven’t seen anyone else catch this, but Yuri is shown living in the game. At some point Ymir is holding a tiny finger creeper he calls Yuri. He also asks initially to watch your step so you don’t walk on the little one, who is most definitely Yuri the finger creeper

  • @Tarnthewarrior
    @Tarnthewarrior Před 2 měsíci

    5:59 The dlc trailer did say they were never saints

  • @jameskelso2435
    @jameskelso2435 Před měsícem

    Never let thisan cook again

  • @emilolekullmer230
    @emilolekullmer230 Před měsícem

    Ah yes! Jodefroy and Jodrick the Jrafted

  • @mitchcarter4925
    @mitchcarter4925 Před 2 měsíci

    I’m still thinking Godwyn should have been the last boss lore wise it makes much more sense

  • @PunpunRen
    @PunpunRen Před 2 měsíci

    Is it just me or it felt like half these remembrance bosses should've had another phase, or lifebar where the fight, arena, moveset changes

  • @avg_w353
    @avg_w353 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think bro likes dragons 😭

  • @blackvalio4060
    @blackvalio4060 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Matyr should be way above. Her lore is a plot twist. The entire golden order is based on a lie. The two fingers never had communication to the greater will.

    • @buffoonustroglodytus4688
      @buffoonustroglodytus4688 Před měsícem

      It was marika all along. Which is pretty crazy to think about cause the grace that guides you towards killing all the demigods were not the greater will’s guidance, it was marika. That’s fucked up, she’s having you kill literally all her children

  • @YamiAi
    @YamiAi Před 2 měsíci +1

    Don't rank the bosses if you haven't understood their lore yet.

  • @laxor5902
    @laxor5902 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Honestly, they should have kept the lore basically the same for radahn, but replace him with Godwyn. Godwyn already had ties to miquella and it would have just fit much better.

  • @TheMuffinManIsHappy
    @TheMuffinManIsHappy Před 2 měsíci

    I love the lore of the DLC. I love the boss fights in the DLC. The hate this DLC is getting makes me sad. It reminds me of why Valve said they’ll never make Half Life 3; the expectations are so high there’s no point because everyone will be mad it wasn’t what they envisioned in their head.

  • @EJaDav
    @EJaDav Před 2 měsíci

    Metyr is 100% a S, the simple implication of her remembrance changes almost everything.

  • @mydogjazz6553
    @mydogjazz6553 Před 2 měsíci +2

    ... i like the putrescent knight, he's a goofy skeleton dude, he so silly
    although, i will admit his lore is pretty bad, so i guess his ranking makes sense

  • @georgeroberts6292
    @georgeroberts6292 Před měsícem

    I would be shitting my pants if miquila taken godwyns body instead of mohgs.

  • @elviskleber10
    @elviskleber10 Před měsícem

    Make a video on The eternal life of goldman, a recently announced game with metroidvania elements that have an art style almost as ambitious as cuphead.

  • @Leviathan1000
    @Leviathan1000 Před 2 měsíci

    Did people forget the game base it characters off berserk so that should make it clear.

  • @TheGoudaGoblin
    @TheGoudaGoblin Před 2 měsíci

    Rellana should get promoted on the off chance that she’s pontiff sully’s sister

  • @MrRobot-xs5jf
    @MrRobot-xs5jf Před 2 měsíci +3

    This video is most definitely Not ranking based on lore alone lmao

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci

      The title would be better as “ranking elden ring bosses based on how much I enjoyed their lore in the dlc” but that’s a bit long for a title lol

  • @antoniohristov8729
    @antoniohristov8729 Před 2 měsíci

    Some people believe that Rellana was married to Messmer, don't know how true that is but it sounds cool
    EDIT: Im almost sure Nanaya wanted Midra to become Lord of the frenzied flame

  • @rubenvb1835
    @rubenvb1835 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think with your biases i think these are points are skewed

  • @noiminoimi1179
    @noiminoimi1179 Před 2 měsíci

    Once again radahn wasn't even in his prime he was just in mohgs body.

  • @arcanumcoto
    @arcanumcoto Před 2 měsíci +1

    Smh man is not one of us. Florissax best dragongirl

  • @bobbysebringstrout9787
    @bobbysebringstrout9787 Před 2 měsíci

    Fromsoft could make a show based off of elden ring alone

  • @guyrza5537
    @guyrza5537 Před 2 měsíci

    Romina should be together with putrescent knight in the tier list

  • @sgtdipaolo
    @sgtdipaolo Před 2 měsíci +2

    Personal opinion, but I'll always find Radahn to have the worst reason to exist as a boss story wise, because it ruins the already perfect ending they gave to him in the base game.
    That, and the fact that Miquella supposedly uses Mohg's body and yet we see his body fucking DISSIPATE when we kill him. They could've easily done how they did with Morgott and put his body somewhere in the arena afterwards, and yet they don't. This just stinks of rushed writing to me.
    ALSO, they made such a big deal of it being Mohg's body that Radahn's soul being put into, and yet the only influence of Mohg despite him being a completely different person, both physically and mentally, to Radahn is some horns on his gauntlets and ONE. SINGULAR. BLOODFLAME ATTACK.

  • @errornekochara
    @errornekochara Před měsícem

    CURSE YOU BAYLE!!!

  • @comicsansisagoodfont2634
    @comicsansisagoodfont2634 Před 2 měsíci +2

    CURSE YOU BAAYYLLLLEE!

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci +2

      HAAARRRPOOOOOOOONNNS

  • @postal3412
    @postal3412 Před 2 měsíci

    I might be the only guy in the world who likes Putrescent Knight lmao

  • @K.Bbluesword5525
    @K.Bbluesword5525 Před 2 měsíci

    Hitting me with silksong... ouch

  • @user-wn8iu7uy9x
    @user-wn8iu7uy9x Před měsícem

    I say Radonna should’ve been ranked higher

  • @debiluspegus8236
    @debiluspegus8236 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Just for the thumbnail, you're wrong radahn fanfiction is the worst lore from soft made ever

  • @Pierce-qp5ex
    @Pierce-qp5ex Před 2 měsíci

    Why is the darkmoon greatsword not lit up at all while you fought the scadutree avatar

  • @Aymerikk9
    @Aymerikk9 Před měsícem

    bayle S tier ? lmao wtf is that his only lore is that he fought placidusax, other than that he's carried by Igon, it's such a place holding boss like he has no lore and nothing interesting for him hes C at max lore wise

  • @darlingxluxii7977
    @darlingxluxii7977 Před 2 měsíci

    Nice

  • @Panda-hg2bb
    @Panda-hg2bb Před 2 měsíci +1

    you missed 17:04

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci

      Typical greatsword jump r2 enjoyer

  • @piterrospl9512
    @piterrospl9512 Před 2 měsíci

    I'd like to add an interesting theory about Putrescent Knight that I partially heard and partially came up with (so take it with a grain of salt).
    We don't know what happened to Radahn and Leonard after our fight. The soul was taken, but not the body. So, there are some interesting connections to be made:
    - obviously, Putrescent Knight, just like Radahn, rides a horse
    - during some attacks, Leonard hides underground while Radahn does his combos, and in Putrescent Knight fight, the horse also burrows during certain attacks
    - Putrescent Knight has no head - interestingly, Shard of Alexander seems to have some strands of red hair on it, and after the fight, Alexander can be seen "eating" Radahn
    This leads me to believe that Putrescent Knight is what remains of Radahn and Leonard. After the fight, Alexander stuffed Radahn's head into himself, hence why Putrescent Knight has no head.
    Now, the second part of lore is my personal speculation, which could fit into the lore. It is said in the remembrance that he imbibed nectar of St. Trina and became her knight. But why him, of all putrescent beings?
    Perhaps, while his soul was taken by Miquella, his body retained some "memories" and knew to seek Miquella's other half. Miquella discarded St. Trina, while Radahn's body was "discarded" from his soul - making it quite the fitting pair, in a natural balance sort of way.

  • @Nameless_Godzilla
    @Nameless_Godzilla Před 2 měsíci

    Someone save radahn!

  • @stuff12341
    @stuff12341 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Sorry bro, this is all wrong.

    • @Pogobro
      @Pogobro  Před 2 měsíci

      Who you putting at number one?

  • @12hollobollo
    @12hollobollo Před 2 měsíci

    CUUURSSSEEE YOU BAAAYYLEEEE

  • @Homiloko2
    @Homiloko2 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I think this is the main problem with the DLC. The lore was just not on point, and most of it was completely disconnected from the main game. Most NPCs here were never mentioned in the main game. And then Radahn made no sense as a last boss, I understand if they didn't want to make Miquella a fighter but then at least give him something NEW. Radahn could be the pre-boss, kind of like how fight Godfrey and Radagon before the Elden Beast, and that would be fine. Some of the few high points for me were meeting stuff like Midra and St. Trina who were actually well established in previous lore.