The Icon of Sin Used to be HUMAN?! - Doom Lore

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
  • #gaming #lore #story #videogames #doom #doometernal #woodyisasexybeast

Komentáře • 111

  • @lichdragon6690
    @lichdragon6690 Před rokem +802

    Technically, the icon of sin was already alive once in doom 2, where he would be killed by the slayer before the slayer became immortal. The betrayer's son's soul would be used to resurrect the icon and his heart would control it. In voice files for the icon in doom eternal, you can faintly hear, "I still remember, slayer".

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před rokem +89

      I’d love a source on this because it helps fix what I thought might’ve been a plot hole.

    • @lichdragon6690
      @lichdragon6690 Před rokem

      @Woodyisasexybeast czcams.com/video/L_8W4YoJkMw/video.html
      Apparently, same voice actor as marauder.

    • @lichdragon6690
      @lichdragon6690 Před rokem +30

      @Woodyisasexybeast czcams.com/video/iUyaAQgjCsM/video.html
      Note, she says "resurrect the icon of sin"

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před rokem +45

      Resurrect is an interesting word to use, the implications of which I never considered. I’m of the mind that every doom game is canon but there are a few little things here and there that make connecting them tricky. This is one of those elements that I’ve wrestled to find an answer for. Any CZcams videos of the “I still remember, slayer” audio?

    • @lichdragon6690
      @lichdragon6690 Před rokem +19

      ​@Woodyisasexybeast it was the first link I sent. Also, the icon of sin's corps is visitable in doom 2016, before eternal. You can even shoot at the exposed brain and it'll shoot out a skull block like in doom 2.

  • @reegitgud
    @reegitgud Před 11 měsíci +276

    The Argent d'nur aren't humans... THEY'RE ARGENT D'NUR.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 11 měsíci +51

      Humans descended from the argenta. They’re humans.

    • @reegitgud
      @reegitgud Před 11 měsíci +28

      @@Woodyisasexybeast Seemingly. There is no evidence beyond that they look the same. This is also where the doom lore contradicts itself.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 11 měsíci +50

      @reegitgud7881 there is evidence. The lost city of hebeth, on mars, is heavily implied to be where humanity originated. I have combed through every inch of Doom’s lore and I have yet to find any contradictions.

    • @reegitgud
      @reegitgud Před 11 měsíci +9

      @@Woodyisasexybeastmy apologies.

    • @reegitgud
      @reegitgud Před 8 měsíci +7

      @@its_soulreaper7552 what evidence do you have?

  • @realredstonereaper
    @realredstonereaper Před měsícem +20

    Of course he used to be human, he's John Romero!

  • @memelover-pf4jx
    @memelover-pf4jx Před rokem +125

    I legit was thinking it was going to be the head inside of the icon of sin boss from doom 2

    • @JamieGreen-it2of
      @JamieGreen-it2of Před 26 dny

      You're thinking of doom before they paid a load of failed game of thrones writers to churn out endless boring lore

    • @narnianninja4964
      @narnianninja4964 Před 15 dny

      ​@@JamieGreen-it2ofMan whaddya got against the story? I like it and you're not forced to hear about everything just to play the game. It's optional to read the codex entries

    • @JamieGreen-it2of
      @JamieGreen-it2of Před 15 dny

      @@narnianninja4964 I like the style of the original dooms not this doomgayer nonsense

  • @MILITIAGAMER2000
    @MILITIAGAMER2000 Před 3 měsíci +39

    The doom lore has so much to talk about, this is why i love doom

  • @EvilMike349
    @EvilMike349 Před 8 měsíci +20

    I would love to see you and Skyrionn have a discussion about Doom lore. I'd be very interested to see what the two of you could put together combining your research. I almost can't believe we've gotten to a point where guys like him have a full timeline that includes all the games and still makes quite a bit of sense.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I’d love to. Never seen his content before but it pops up on my feed every once in awhile. I’m down for just about any collaboration

    • @EvilMike349
      @EvilMike349 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Woodyisasexybeast You should definitely check his stuff out, he just put out his full series timeline last week and I've watched it half a dozen times already. Besides the two of you, I can't think of anyone else who's done that amount of research to piece everything together. It's hard to imagine what you guys could accomplish together!

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 8 měsíci +1

      @EvilMike349 oh wow, cool. I’ve been working on a timeline for quite some time now but haven’t figured out how to work the RPG games in yet.
      I’m always hesitant to watch other lore channels because I don’t want to unintentionally copy them or something.

    • @EvilMike349
      @EvilMike349 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Woodyisasexybeast I definitely understand that, I would feel the same if I were a content creator! But I have faith that you can figure something out and I also think it would be good for the discussion if you come to a different conclusion or interpretation. It sounds like a lot of this stuff (especially from the earlier games) is either left to subtext or hidden away in instruction manuals or alternate forms of media that could be hard to find, so there's a good amount of it that gives plenty of room for different theories or interpretations.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 8 měsíci

      @EvilMike349 perhaps you’re right. Maybe I’ll give it a watch. I looked at it briefly to see if he included every game and he did, which is something that’s bothered me about all of the other doom “timeline” videos because they decide to completely ignore huge chunks of lore. That’s part of the reason why I had been working on my own version of the concept. Now that he seems to have actually done it properly though, I’m unsure if I should still proceed with my version. Since it’s basically already been done now 🤷‍♂️

  • @yup4477
    @yup4477 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Ok since apparently this isn’t common knowledge but when making deals with demons to bring a loved one back make sure they are coming back the way they were before they died!!! Maybe like 5 months before just to be safe!

    • @narnianninja4964
      @narnianninja4964 Před 15 dny +1

      Ah thanks for the advice! I'll remember that next time

  • @joebiden3922
    @joebiden3922 Před rokem +8

    This explains it really well

  • @nikonikolov7636
    @nikonikolov7636 Před 9 měsíci +8

    He was in Vampire diaries

  • @ratheonhudson3311
    @ratheonhudson3311 Před 2 měsíci +27

    Doom Janitor worked late nights and got kicked out of Mars Apartments. Doom Janitor hated his long shifts late into the night and relentless pranks. Doom Janitor identified as Male and He/Him so from then on he was Doom Guy because that era was also affected by 2010

    • @Meme_lord47
      @Meme_lord47 Před měsícem

      Wasn’t he always male though

  • @alexandercarter9598
    @alexandercarter9598 Před 2 měsíci +10

    Remember when everyone on youtube thought Doomslayer was the Betrayer?
    Wild times.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 2 měsíci +4

      Was this a thing? Sheesh, I missed that

    • @Idontevenknow666
      @Idontevenknow666 Před měsícem +1

      @@Woodyisasexybeast it was actually a very fun lore but it got completely debunked when doom eternal was released, literally going against every lore they had on the betrayer

    • @alexandercarter9598
      @alexandercarter9598 Před měsícem +2

      @@Idontevenknow666 ... TF you talking about? It was obvious to most people the betrayer was the guy who gave us the dagger.

  • @zombie_arthurm0rgan
    @zombie_arthurm0rgan Před rokem +3

    This deserves more likes

  • @Inquisitive_Be1ry
    @Inquisitive_Be1ry Před rokem +6

    Didn’t know that thanks

  • @your-cool
    @your-cool Před 2 měsíci +2

    it was also a wall

  • @yasouderuo
    @yasouderuo Před 2 měsíci +1

    in short summary i guess:icon of sin is john romero

  • @The_Marauder_
    @The_Marauder_ Před 6 měsíci +2

    Gotcha, Valen!

  • @kallmejay3662
    @kallmejay3662 Před 15 dny

    And yet he still got his ass kicked😂

  • @jersydvl
    @jersydvl Před 2 měsíci +1

    We all used to be human

  • @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
    @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Před 2 měsíci

    His body was used as a sacrifice to summon the icon of sin.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 2 měsíci +2

      Sort of. His soul was used to *resurrect* the icon of sin. The entity existed before but was brought back using Valen’s son.

  • @piotrmontgomerytv7786
    @piotrmontgomerytv7786 Před 2 měsíci

    So he was like an Angel before.

  • @glootina340
    @glootina340 Před 2 měsíci

    Valan. Mimbari not born of mimbari. We live for the one, we die for the one.

  • @Deenamma-in3ds
    @Deenamma-in3ds Před 15 dny

    I already know

  • @craiggagnon5711
    @craiggagnon5711 Před měsícem

    That pronounciation of sepulchre

  • @gabrieldipietro6096
    @gabrieldipietro6096 Před měsícem

    Are the argenta humans? Or just a species that look similar to us?

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před měsícem

      The presence of the lost city of Hebeth seems to imply that humans are descendants of them

  • @user-dm6ot2lr2g
    @user-dm6ot2lr2g Před měsícem

    It's true

  • @MI24CL3
    @MI24CL3 Před měsícem

    Clickbait title, a human was just used to bring the Icon of Sin back

  • @generalesdeath5836
    @generalesdeath5836 Před 2 měsíci

    I absolutely stomped the guy who said “DOOMguy is the betrayer!!!!”
    That guy was WRONG and I was RIGHT. I will never stop hammering both that fact, and the fact that the DOOM Slayer is the same DOOMguy from DOOM, DOOM II, and DOOM 64.
    I was right and everyone who agreed with me was right, and everyone who disagreed with me is WRONG.
    The End.

  • @Dakqi
    @Dakqi Před 4 měsíci +1

    So the Icon of sin is valen’s son?

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 4 měsíci

      Sort of. The icon of sin was resurrected using Valen’s son’s soul

    • @Dakqi
      @Dakqi Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah, he is.

    • @MI24CL3
      @MI24CL3 Před měsícem

      That doesn't mean the IOS used to be human though.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před měsícem

      @MI24CL3 it was human simply because the soul of a human is now part of it. More of a technicality than literal

  • @gadielphilip
    @gadielphilip Před měsícem

    What doom game is in the video

  • @Washingmachine225
    @Washingmachine225 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Bro did you ever play the original doom it was never human

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 11 měsíci +9

      You’re mistaken. In the original doom, it was strictly a demon and was defeated by doom guy. In doom eternal, it was resurrected using a an argenta soul. Therefore it’s “human”

    • @Washingmachine225
      @Washingmachine225 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@Woodyisasexybeast well it never had a human form

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 11 měsíci +1

      I mean, kinda? It was resurrected using a human soul. So it did, in a way. It’s just semantics and perspective at that point

    • @Warden1.19MC
      @Warden1.19MC Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@Washingmachine225You're correct only because we never got to see Valen's son and what he looked like before so in a way he didn't have a human body it was a demon that was given the young Sentinal's soul so, y'know

    • @inthelight565
      @inthelight565 Před měsícem

      ​@@WoodyisasexybeastBut is a soul a human? I don't think so.

  • @murraydavidson4743
    @murraydavidson4743 Před 2 měsíci

    He was Sentinel no? Not from earth?

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 2 měsíci

      Correct but it’s heavily implied that humanity spawned off of the sentinels, likely originating from the lost city of hebeth

  • @akhil_1210
    @akhil_1210 Před 2 měsíci

    What? The icon of sin used to be VIOS in DOOM 2 RPG

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 2 měsíci

      That was just a digital manifestation of the same entity that doom guy fought in Doom II. It’s the same entity in every instance but later, the betrayers son’s soul was used to resurrect the icon. Therefore, it was “human”.

  • @Eren.MuhammadAahil
    @Eren.MuhammadAahil Před 4 měsíci +1

    and for some reason the boss right before dark lord in ancient gods is the harder
    dark Lord ez
    icon of sin ez
    the boss before dark lord harder

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 4 měsíci

      Samur is no joke

    • @Eren.MuhammadAahil
      @Eren.MuhammadAahil Před 4 měsíci

      @@Woodyisasexybeast oh yeah thats the name of the boss before dark lord

    • @Eren.MuhammadAahil
      @Eren.MuhammadAahil Před 4 měsíci

      @@Woodyisasexybeastik this random but i got the gold bounty lord skin for doomguy u can get it in Horde mode milestone beat horde on Nightmare
      its firey gold and black, before that tho i had hell forged equipped as my skin

  • @FlamingZombie626
    @FlamingZombie626 Před 2 měsíci

    No? They're not from earth

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před 2 měsíci

      The icon of sin was resurrected using the soul of an argenta warrior, specifically Valens son. It is heavily implied that the argenta were what humanity spawned from. Therefore, the argenta are human.

    • @FlamingZombie626
      @FlamingZombie626 Před 2 měsíci

      I believe that line of thinking is built on speculation and false equivalence

  • @issiahmoreno8291
    @issiahmoreno8291 Před měsícem

    Tremendous summary. The lore had plenty of yapping lol.

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před měsícem

      Thanks. Sometimes it’s about the journey rather than the destination though 🤷‍♂️

    • @issiahmoreno8291
      @issiahmoreno8291 Před měsícem

      @@Woodyisasexybeast it was a phenomenal story i just felt like i never really grasped it as well as you explain it here. Lol

    • @Woodyisasexybeast
      @Woodyisasexybeast  Před měsícem

      Something worth mentioning that I didn’t talk about in the video: the icon of sin existed prior and was defeated by doom guy back in Doom II. In eternal, it’s resurrected using the soul of Valen’s son.

  • @Smellslikegelfling
    @Smellslikegelfling Před 2 měsíci

    I really dislike all of this lore. Just give us a good game without taking every tiny detail from the original and trying to turn it into a giant pandering space epic. Its almost worse than what Disney has fone to Star Wars.