Genshin's Flawed Idea of Difficulty Ruined the Spiral Abyss
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Content will be like this from now on.
As i said in my "I'm Quitting video" i will stop making low effort trash for the sake of uploading every day.
I am still the same person, with the same takes, with to few fucks to give about what others think of me so don't expect me to change my demeanor, this is simply a presentation shift.
Of course, i still plan to improve in the future. But all that really means is there will be less uploads until i have the income to pay editors lol
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i dont watch any other genshin creator at this point :']
wtvr u makes prolly gonna be fun
Another point I believe you forgot to mention was the Abyss is mostly a marketing tool for the Current banner characters. One of my favorite points you made on this video is that the enemies are not trying to kill you but rather stall you. If you remove the time constraints the Abyss would be so easy.
It's gacha combat. They do not want a power and skill gap in the playerbase and want to challenge all the players equally in the laziest possible way. So making success dependent mostly on what the enemies choose to do makes it so that everyone is playing the same slot machine game no matter how strong or weak they themselves are. That's why even whaling is becoming less of a solution as the game progresses. Shields can't be whaled against really and soon they'll have it down where everyone will have to wait for the perfect match of enemy choices to have any chance to clear, just like the character gacha, just like the artifact system. Pretty annoying but seems to be what they are going for.
If anyone is struggling on 12-1-1, you should use Bennett and Jean combo, to remove hydro and cryo.
I struggled a lot but then I used Raiden sunfire team and beat it on first try.❤👍
the fact you still break your back on this crappy casual game is amaze me, I stop caring about this game long ago. I mean if you haven't seen the writing on the wall with this game, that's on you. That is like trying to be competitive in Bingo, like is it worth it? what's the reward? primogem? lol
I love that Mihoyo, to this day, constantly punishes anyone and everyone who has dared not to build Xiangling.
Honestly the biggest issue is what you said, ultimately it's all for 50 gems, not even a third of a pull lmao.
They're holding this game hostage and it sucks.
They should give out a full 10 pull
@@gockartzz8272 I am so down bad that I was thinking 50 primogems, one acquaint fate, and one intertwined fate per floor would be incredible.
I cannot even imagine them ever giving us a full 10pull per abyss cycle.
@@itaohs5551 i mean Yeah but if this is what they do to us they should give us something more maybe half a ten pull
I don't need pulls, I need more resin
His father's name is Mao so it's understandable why they want you to build Xiangling.
This wouldn't be a problem if they made artifact grinding and leveling up new characters easier by making it less rng like being able to target a specific set in every domain, and also have more systems in place to reroll our copium artifacts. The problem with this ofc is that if they did this then more new players will clear Abyss faster then mihoyo will have more pressure to create some sort of end game so they would rather choose to make the whole thing an absolute war crime of a mess instead.
Would also be cool if they added 5 star artifact sets with 1 set effects that didn't boost ur damage, but gave u attack speed or movements speed or maybe even a perfect dodge depending on who holds the artifact. Would also give the players more to do and would be much cooler then just giving u more damage.
Also rework/buff geo and physical. Buff and rework underperforming characters, so they can compete with meta units so we have more toys to play with and more viable team comps for harder content.
Artifact is the only long thing.
Leveling up characters is, in fact, too quick. In what game like this you can maxout a character litterally 30s after you got it ? And even without prefarm it.s fast if you play.
It's not really about the artifact system, it's about the constellations and specific characters. Just use Zhong'li and Kazuha. Bring melt Ayaka to any floor, bring along Kazuha and even with 150% crit dmg Ayaka can beat the level just because of KAZUHA. But you don't need ayaka for that, U can do the same even with Rosaria if you have a Kazuha in the team, just swirl the pyro, use E, burst and you can't replace him with Sucrose, because Kazuha gives you more EM and it's so easier to use. You just pressing your E with him, everything is in a place, apply pyro, press burst while with Sucrose, you can't pull them in a place, u have to swirl at least 2 times, switchin characters about four times and the whole combo is so difficult and take a lot of time to even do it. But the fun in the stuff is that you don't need a Kazuha if your 5 star characters are C6.
@@relax2413 it's not that fast to level as unless you whale for those resource packs you still have to spend a lot of time pre-farming the stuff...Whether you spend that time before or after you get the char, it still takes awhile
This abyss is the least dps check possible tho? Those black serpent knights on past floor 12-2 had even more hp and more in numbers than conc beast in 12-3, get gud
@@relax2413 I don't know what you're smoking. Let's say you get a character and you don't have mora, lvl books, or other stuff to level them up. If you min-max it may take a couple of days to a week and a half, depending on how you're gonna min-max them. To truly max out a character (lvl 90, lvl 10 in talents) it would take about a month to do it, regardless if you whale because you need the weekly boss materials.
You would think trying to explain to people the difference between content being difficult because of mechanics and content being difficult because its straight up annoying would be easy but with this community...anything is possible.
The thing is, anything that mildly inconveniences you people is considered annoying. If you can't just brute force by rolling your face on the keyboard you cry about it. Enemy runs away ? Cry. Enemy is aggressive as fuck and wants to kill you? Cry. There's zero pleasing this dogshit playerbase regardless.
@@justsomeguy727 Thank you so much
@@justsomeguy727 If you think the enemy design in this game and especially the abyss is actually good or even passable, you are just stupid. The "mechanic" of half the enemies in this abyss is just hit the correct shield type while they run around and/or try to hit a damage sponge while it flies all over the map. It's actually really easy to please the playerbase. Just make interesting enemies that aren't 'color match or you lose'.
retard, genshin enemies doesn't even need skills to kill or even new mechanics@@justsomeguy727
The issue with genshin is the lack of variety in the fights . It all just just a dps check in the abyss which just turns into how lucky (or how much money you want to spend) in getting characters and how much time you want to grind for artifacts. A good game will allow you to beat content with a variety of characters not just a few specific ones in order to beat something in a certain time limit.
There's so much that Genshin can do to make it more fun but they refused. My favorite story fight to this day is the one on Ningguang's flying castle. They have not come close to topping that fight since.
Also let me add that if you are going to require certain characters to clear things, let it be things outside of the spiral abyss too. There's characters I have built I would like to use but what's the point switching to another team on the open world when my main OP team can slaughter everything in 5 seconds. The switch to the team is slower than the fight.
What about the new scara boss? I thought it was better imo
@@abyssnofap4281 the weekly boss Sacramouche? As someone who's played since 1.0, I stomped him easy with my main team of Ganyu, Bennett, Zhongli and Kazuha first try. The epicness of the ningguang castle fight at the beginning of the game is ss tier
@@abyssnofap4281 well Scaramouche boss fight is a joke not only is easy but you can beat him by absolutely nothing in phase 2 if you fail to stagger him thanks to the small green thing that nahida gave us.
Isn't that exactly what this Abyss is? The DPS requirements outside of 12-3-1 are very low.
They actually forced us to break up our teams, a roster check rather than a DPS one.
They really did NingGuang dirty by making her a 4 star. Geo mommy sad...
I only did it because I heard how hard/annoying it was, I was lucky because c1 Tao and C1 Kazuha hard carried through the shields. They created this problem because Abyss is the only end-game content but make each cycle to hard counter to sell more characters, but there is nothing else to do so you basically don't play with your characters and stop playing. I've been advocating on each survey to just add an overworld hardmode, but after that interview of no new end game, its hard to care about genshin these days.
Hmm? The current abyss is hard with any character you use tho? Yoimiya is garbage in the current abyss, this abyss sells beidou better than even Raiden and keqing
Or you could complete all those quests and exploration you have then?
You mean the very professional interview with "Mr. Developer" Gamespot had the balls to publish? Seriously, how can anybody believe that was an official statement?
@@oyfum2638 welp that goes for many characters that way, generally banner characters should be able to destroy the abyss but this time (for me at least) beidou and keqing carried entire first half
@@barbomagoprefigurador2823 i believe the article. if the article was fake, dont you think mihoyo would have taken some action against gamespot seeing that article created a lot of drama in the community with multiple CCs covering it? like for example mihoyo demanding that gamespot remove the article on account of misinformation? a lot of hardcore players or players who were primarily combat focused would have likely quit due to this article, probably resulting in a loss of revenue for the company. seeing how the article is still up after all this time, i think its safe to assume that it is not fake.
If you do not own or build: Xiangling, Xingqiu, Bennet, Raiden, Nahida, Zhongli, Yelan, Hu Tao, Ayaka/Ganyu, Diona/Kuki, Kazuha/Venti, Kokomi/Mona, to cover every possible niche elemental requirement we decide to put in the abyss, then you are simply not allowed to have fun, let alone clear the spiral abyss!
Enjoy, because this is all you'll be using until the next busted and borderline mandatory archon comes out! -miHoYo
Jokes on them, I am a casual player, getting primogems from commissions is much easier than Spiral Abyss, yeah it takes longer but who gives asf.
i literally only have 3 of that list
Me not wanting to build Bennett because I find him annoying. Fr though it's ridiculous how many characters you need to pull and build to respectable levels just to have a decent shot at 36 starring abyss. It's just not worth the effort really, especially with 11-1 being a tower defense mode that not even my Nahida can deal with at once
Good video, as someone who used to 36 star abyss, the reason its unfun is because its frustrating to 3 star a floor. Its mostly in my opinion a stall game. I remember when we first got bosses that were Invulnerable for 10 seconds(mangu keki etc) yet we still had 3 minutes it was going to become worse and it has. Its not challenging to me, its frustrating regardless of 36 star or not.
Please offer some suggestions on how hoyoverse could make it difficult without making it frustrating then lol this game's mechanics are based on team building and elemental reactions for team synergy. They utilize those mechanics by making you face enemies that make you think more about what elements and types of characters you use, do you need a shield here? a healer? What sort of reaction would be best here for maximum damage output toward this enemy?
How else are they supposed to structure the abyss to make it a challenge, but also while keeping the limitations of it's combat mechanics in mind? I watch these videos criticizing hoyoverse and how they manage the abyss's difficulty, and i read comments like yours, but all they ever do is whinge and complain about how bad it is, and never seem to have any idea themselves how hoyoverse could change it for the better. Or if they do have ideas, they dont seem to realize that their ideas make the abyss either extremely pay to win, or they make it "too" casual to the point the players with stronger accounts dont get any challenge out of it, and get bored.
I personally found this abyss challenging, even though I myself got frustrated, I knew that with the teams I was using I could get the 36 star if I just worked more on my dodging of abilities and strategized which enemies to take out first to make the rest of them easier. So from my experience, just feeling frustrated doesnt automatically mean that what you're experiencing isnt challenging.
@@starlette7820 all they want is a scarecrow in the middle of the abyss with 4 million hp lmao, what a hard content
And they'll still whine about it not attacking enough
@@starlette7820 they could introduce something like Simulated Universe from star rail. It’s not a dps check. You can also try different paths and builds due to the huge number of blessings. It lends itself to replayability more than the abyss. If I had to bet, I think Hoyo will introduce something similar in Genshin while keeping the abyss.
@@scaramouche7759 SU is literally the most boring endgame they have made , much more than the abyss
@@starlette7820 bruh there's ways like how ld abyss had dragonspine freezing method as you fought or the rocks with the ruin guards, that's MAKING IT CHALLENGING not just stalling like why is there three random waves for whooperflowers why keep remaking bosses that flies around with a 5 sec window of dmg???
honestly clearing all of simulated universe and forgotten hall in star rail and then coming back to this version's spiral abyss is like a kick in the balls
Yoo saiki pfp
@@arvindh2145 hi
Maybe because SU and FH are a joke in HSR?
@@lucklei4665 is that a bad thing? i want to have fun and a good time while clearing content. i don't wanna sweat my ass off for 50 primos in genshin only for the devs to say "fuck you" and make it harder to the point where normal players cant clear it
@@lucklei4665 wait how tf is it a joke its actually fun unlike genshin where u just spam buttons without using ur negative iq brain u actually can have multiple playstyles whereas in genshin its just the same elemental characters being trashed in a particular sequence every fucking time damn u need to cope hard
Hard agree. Also, the "reverse powercreep" point combined with the fact that newer enemies and abysses cater to the current banners and kind of "nerfs" older characters? Yeah, it's not gonna be a good time. Newer characters are numerically worse than the 1.X characters (higher energy requirements, limited teams, hyper specific roles, etc.) yet they are effective at dealing with these inflated enemies because their kits are good for it... and yet you need high investments on these newer characters to be able to deal with the new abyss. It's just frustrating. Not to mention one element is effectively neutered every other abyss cycle. I love Geo with all my heart but I'd be delusional if I can't admit that Geo is dogshit. Haven't whipped out my hyper-invested Noelle or Itto teams simply because they can't deal with these shield shenanigans. Think about it: even National teams and its variants, which is composed of arguably the strongest characters in the game, is having trouble dealing with this abyss. Traditional vape teams can't deal with the second half and will likely get obliterated by the first half. Even freeze teams, specially without hyper invested Shenhe + Ayaka / Ganyu will need nigh perfect timing and RNG to clear the abyss. This abyss is difficult, and not in a good way. There's no real sense of accomplishment in finishing it and it's a shame.
Lmao skill issue, all the teams you showed are the worst teams to use in the abyss, god i wish the playerbase had more knowledge about elements, people have cleared the abyss with MID 4 STARS NOT EVEN C6
@believeinyourself2447 Bru your not getting it. The point is whether it's meta or not. A lot of old teams are becoming more difficult to clear abyss with which insinuates you to pull for the new characters to clear abyss. However a lot of these newer characters, however good they may be in the current abyss, need a lot of investment. And even if you say, "well I preformed all these new characters mats or artifacts," your still only doing for what? 600 primos or less? Only 3 wishes? Like what is the point of doing abyss at this point? For a lot old players like me don't really do it because it's fun, we do it hoping it will be fun and challenging, not annoying like the heralds or wenut.
@@ocean7790 imagine still saying "sKill iSsue" like a dumbass after watching the video
true, the worst part is about the no sense of accomplishment, it just feels like a chore, it took me 3 to 4 hours to do 36 stars. And when i was done, i was happy cause i was done not because i had fun doing it.
@@ocean7790
Look, it's a Mihoyo asskisser.
If they just added an infinite tower mode that had a shop that resets every week or every month then this whole issue or at least most of it could be solved.
-You would motivate way more team comps
-The goal wouldn't be how FAST you finish rather how far you can go with just your team so this motivates the use of healers WAAAAAAY more.
-They can add all the enemies they want and it would still function
-Maybe even add leaderboards just to see who gets the heighest floor, obviously don't give rewards based off rank its just a thing to see.
-Make it where maybe some characters just arent't usable for a certain amount of time (Like maybe Venti and Xinqiu are banned for a week so this motivate character building way more cause you just won't know what characters might be banned the next week for your next run)
-You could potencially even add the weekly bosses inside this tower mode
-The rewards don't just have to be primogems, it could be random artifacts, maybe a unique artifact set you can ONLY get through this mode, are shards to get a a good weapon and upon getting enough shards you can buy them, adding the new 4 stars to this shop and have them on rotation just like the OG ones in the monthly shop we already have, etc.
If they really wanted to they could add this easily, all they would have to do is just dedicate one patch to this new system and the rest is just rotations and resets and they won't ever have to worry about endgame again. This is just my opinion but I have honestly never seen a specific team behind a game being so against adding and changing stuff like the genshin team. I sometimes just find it so astonishing how they just refuse to listen to the community and only listen to the things they want to hear.
I know the game is way more focused on story, but there is a whole chunk of players and I dare say at least half of its playerbase just skip stories or quests entirely. So I find it kind of dumb they just choose to ignore this side of the community instead of trying to add something.
They purposely choosing not to do it because then the veteran players have a way to generate primos or waste time for resin refill and they can't torture you out of your money lol it's just cheap tactics but hey it's a free game 💀
Now that I think about it such an endgame shop would be a good way to rerun old event weapons along with some new exclusive ones
I'm still not over the fact I won't ever get a goddamn signature weapon for one of my most favorite characters just bcs I haven't played during that time
i feel like the character banning would be a bad idea. it would probably just cause more burnout for some of your best units being banned and having to build more just to scrape some primos..
I like how the "everything's fine"community is also finally opening its eyes slowly after this current few abyss with the constipated beasts and with hsr getting every qol that people been asking for since 2 years in genshin and also the tcg becoming a major event,dehay, excessive dialogue in the 3.6 newest desert region...good job hoyo you made it hard even for your defenders to defend u this time
"constipated beasts" lol autocorrect got you good!
CONSTIPATED BEASTS
that's so good HAHHAH I'm stealing that
@@Livtha I don't think that was autocorrect, lol
Yup. They even gave Star Rail THE FEATURE TO PLAY PAST EVENTS. IN LITERALLY ITS FIRST UPDATE.
Meanwhile Genshin: Still annoying fomo bullshit for 3 years.
its unrelated but... its the "everything is fine" people that are destroying the world, and i mean it literally, because companies do the shit they want since those people are a lot.
everything is always ok no matter the crap the companies do , and this apply to the new gender shit, to religions, to food prices to education etc, games are only another point the "everything is fine" people are slowly destroying
this abyss is the first abyss in 2 years that i won’t care to get 36 stars. i’m really tired dealing with the extreme ridiculousness of difficulty of the abyss. it feels stressful. it feels so unnecessarily hard. like it just stalls you all the time, make you run around chasing enemies, make you deal with RNG yet again of enemies’ movements. even if i got 36 stars in all abyss cycles in the past 2 years, especially with the recent ones, i realize now i didn’t feel any satisfaction or happiness from getting the last 50 primogems. i was just relieved i don’t have to spend one more minute dealing with the ridiculousness of the abyss. whenever a new cycle starts, i’m not excited or happy. i do it, but i wanna be done with it soon.
And i really hate that you have to go through previous chambers again just to try a different comps for upper chambers. It defeats the purpose of experimentation of team comps. I wanna try my luck with a freeze team for 12-3, but can’t use a freeze team in 12-1.
I got 35 stars. i’m done. 50 primogems is not worth it for 36 stars.
Edit: i eventually got 36 stars. so shut it with the skill issue crap. the abyss is garbage and it’s not fun anymore (at floor 12).
Skill issue.
exactly it's just 50 primos, I dont get why ya'll cry over optional content
@@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno Im gonna guess you haven't watched the video soul made so, watch that first before making urself look dumb
@@rolf1819 Cus there's nothing else to do gameplay wise and the only challenge we have is this shit. I haven't seen a game so goddamn hell bent on not adding gameplay modes, mind you, I do play story content but that can be temporarily entertaining, I'm just sitting here with fully geared characters against a mob with 2mil HP cus that's what MHY thinks it's difficult, it's just dumb man.
@@GeneralMahamatra_Cyno 🤡
The beasts are very annoying because they constantly move you around and can one bang you but it is at least not the overload combo configuration they had before. The real bullshit in this abyss is the herald freeze team.
I started playing genshin a little more than a year ago. And i always had mindset that i want only a few waifus, but have them the strongest i could make them.
Felt so satisfying to see characters getting stronger. At first by clearing permanent part of the abyss. Clearing 9-11. 12. And finally being able to 36* it.
But i can't anymore. And it feels so discouraging.
And like... I could score on the abyss. But there is nothing that could bring me joy in this game anymore.
Quests are filled with bad writing and it feels like their only perpose is to make you waste more time.
Exploring became extremely tedious with Sumeru release with it's confusing level desing and quest cockblocks every other step.
While dealing with resin/teapot/bp/events and so on.
Why do i keep playing this game?
Bad writing? Sumeru has better writing than the game's entire past quests, typical dialogue skipper
the side quests are still really good, the main ones though, that dream part was a pain in the ass
I agree with everything except the bad writing part 😂 also not to be that guy trust me I’m really not but you don’t have to play the game because hoyoverse clearly isn’t going to change things for us so just play something else try Honkai star rail
Might still be playing because of the community.
Just leave it then. If you talk about bad writing and tedious exploration, this game is just not for you. You even find the bad in good things. Seems like you never really liked the game at all
You literally get punished for not pulling Nahida.
The thing is, these issues that permeates the annoying mechanics that enemies have like them running away really fast while you can't do it either or elemental shields that are dependent to elemental application ICD that specific units bypass cuz they don't have icd in the first place or units that apply lots of their element so fast that icd doesn't matter or enemies that have high speed, high hp, high res and high damage could've a non-issue if it wasn't for the timer
YES, THE TIMER IS THE ROOT CAUSE PROBLEM. I swear to god, the abyss always manage to have their cake and eat it too by making all of these crap enemy mechanics while putting on a timer. That's exactly why the meta favors the extremly versatile utility buffers, strong and self sustaining off-field dps and overpowered on-field dps with overpowered element that can clear a floor for at least 10 seconds over healers that don't apply their element consistently on offense like kokomi and shielders that isn't zhongli cuz most of them break their shields while not applying their element too. Hot take but Thoma (top 3 shielders no cap) has both of those fixed by refreshing his shield every normals and the superarmor the shield gives, no matter how low the shield strength, is way more valueable than a non zhongli shield that doesn't synergize in offense any archetype at all and made burgeon a viable team aside from bennett and kazuha. Only issue of thoma is his energy cost and energy issue but that's really it. I just wish that baizhu refreshes his shield at the same rate as thoma and apply dendro a bit faster so that he could be way better than yaoyao.
Wish they just rid of the timer if they want spiral abyss to be hard and challenging but also introduced a floor that drains your hp every 10 seconds and kill certain number of enemies at an infinite amount of time but the effect gets stronger like toxic from pokemon so that healers are more useful and more meta without making the dps units and utility units the only answer to everything
they did make a healer meta abyss before, back in kokomi release where they put a lot of the rifthounds together in waves so the corrosion was so bad that u needed a good healer, especially a healer that can heal all ur party members because of how corrosion works. just pointing that out, i do agree that abyss should have more interesting gameplays than just a timer check
It's so bad lately. Spiral Abyss was never fun, but at least it wasn't actively awful, and given the reverse powercreep, what would I even spend the primos on? There's no point to acquiring them. Even when the isolated (and I mean very isolated) good character comes out, I can just get them free. Moved over to PGR, and will probably bail on Genshin entirely once wuthering waves comes out.
Or Move to Honkai Star Rail. They already have a feature where you can replay OLD EVENTS.
Honkai is there baby this just shows it. Putting my chips on Honkai.
I can't even get myself to try Honkai star rail. I hate that turn based fighting
@@silverhawkscape2677 wait until they release zzz and they abandon HSR. I won't play another hoyo game ever knowing their philosophy.
@@mordogonofastora3421 that's what I'm saying all the time since the HSR release, they just jump on another gacha after milking previous one
@@nationalgeografic7687 Considering Honkai Impact 3rd has still been getting constant new content that is engaging and cool, good new characters. And how SR is getting QoL upgrades that were not even introduced in Genshin. This very much seems like a Genshin-only issue, rather than a Mihoyo in general issue. Why? I don't know, but frankly over the years it has been pretty obvious that Mihoyo doesn't really care for Genshin and wanted to do other things...With how much effort and attention to detail there is on SR, i think it's pretty fair to say that that game is what they really wanted to be working on.
lil bro took a break now he came back with a deeper voice as if he was batman
Recorded the video right after I woke up lmao
Am I the only one that remembers tartaglia's boss fight being nerfed a couple weeks after his release cause he was too hard for the mobile players or is it just me?
The adjustment in difficulty was only for the story quest not the weekly boss fight.
@@mlcom Really? I rushed the story abit to fight him prenerf and that was a lot harder than the weekly boss fight. Still, when that happened I wrote off any form of "challenging content" from ever making it into the game.
@@JohnDoe-sx6iw i think they nerfed that move when he marks you and one shots you a few seconds later if you dont remove it. Now, he marks you but he takes longer to do that one shot move
the problem was... making this game a "mobile game" when you have people playing on pc, play station etc.
Of course on mobile i gonna be x100000 harder to play, the gameplay from mobile is utter garbage no matter the game.
But its too easy then on computer or PS , its really hard to balance stuff when you "pretend" to be a mobile game.
@@WastedTalent83 that was my problem in genshin, the game is not good for mobile when you realize it, but they had to since they keep making mobile games for years. They had to sacrifice a lot of graphics and animations for the sake of optimization and yet your phone storage still screams "full", so you spend another $$ to buy a new one
You're back! Please talk about how Mihoyo didn't give Genshin Impact higher resin cap & faster regeneration like how they did with Star Rail and how they gave them more daily jades (even peer week) via text chats, train conversations, and hetra world weekly update compared to Genshin primogems in a week. Also how we finally able to custom your own Relics (Artifact in Genshin Impact) unlike farming for days for just a decent piece.
that's just misinformation except for the last part
let's "hate" on stuff that is true or we won't be taken seriously
the trailblazer power has a higher cap and faster regeneration rate but that doesn't really matter that much since 1) drops are worse overall - your progress is slower anyway and if you are reaching end game you'll notice, 2) you can't farm materials from the open world - chests actually gave a decent amount of exp & talent books and mora
so maybe instead let's talk about how they tricked players into thinking HSR is better?
as for the reroll relic systems because I think it's too early to say, it can turn out than overall relic farming experience is even worse overall
@@akwaMartyna How is this a misinformation? I said they have higher cap and faster regeneration which is true. Saying their drops is lower is something else. My main point is we need higher cap/faster regeneration along side improving drops which something i forgot to mention.
Claiming you can't farm materials from open world in Star Rail is actually false because for example you can farm Usurper Scheme which is trace material from enemies in both legions and simulated universe enemies and you even even can send your characters to farm 30 per day from assignment unlike genshin imapct expedition where people use it mainly for mora & crystal while being forced to chase enemies in order to get the ascension/talent materials which is so slow, boring and force you to beg others to be able to visit their world and farm the needed materials. Bosses or domains are faster to farm in HSR and there is no cooldown for it.
As for chests, they're sub bonus and not main farming scheme. Saying it gives you exp/talents books where only few mid size chests gives you one random talent book when most of the time it isn't the material for the character you're leveling right now plus the mora/exp it gives is ridiculously inefficient and unnoticeable, without even mentioning if you have chests left since i did 100% most of the map, so it's better that they did removed this as It's more simplified, less troubling and more direct imp.
Last thing, saying "let's hate on stuff that is true or we won't be taken seriously" is silly crap because if mihoyo has taken you & us seriously or cared enough we wouldn't reach this point arguing about making the most basic things in the game better & practical, hence this video is made because Mihoyo doesn't give af about you like other stuff anyway lol
Misinformation spreaders
HSR's relic system is garbage, even more than genshin lmao
@@ocean7790 Another braindead objector...what misinformation did i spread? They gave us ability to custom a relic which is a true & great thing that Genshin lack.
@@ocean7790
Mihoyo asskisser.
Baizhu actually works perfectly fine as a hyperbloom driver, which is really all you need to be good as a dendro unit. Less aoe range than nahida but dps is similar and you get sustain.
plus for Nilou bloom personally he's much comfier than Yao Yao
he's kind of a Kokomi of dendro - both of them can be ignored and not pulled if you don't need them but they aren't trash, it's hard to be trash as the best two elements in the game (fight me on this, they are - some people will say anemo, imo anemo is slightly worse than dendro simply because in single target is not as good and dendro covers it all - also dendro has actual good DPS characters)
edit: I'm not saying Xiao and Scara are bad they are just not as good and versatille as Nahida and Alhaitham
Baizhu aggravate is also insane. I tried it on a friend's account with Yae, fischl and Kazuha team and aside from being immortal they wreck everything. Now waiting for his rerun to grab him myself for that team only
The point is- is your Baizhu similar to everyone else? And do people use Baizhu for that? No- mostly they see him as a shielder, so people would argue that you can have Zhongli instead.
@@HyunXP No one in their right mind would use Baizhu as a shielder, he sucks as a shielder vs Zhongli. But just because a character is bad in one department doesn't mean they must be written off in every department.
First I get clowned on by Warframe with the fiasco known as damage attenuation, and then spiral abyss does **this.** It’s official: Games are destined to punish me.
just git gud
@@pontoancora Okay. I had you by the balls back in a comment thread in Vars II, and of course you come back.
You’re gonna keep coming back because you fantasize us doing the images you see in the Diluc Kaeya ships. You are THAT obsessed with me.
I’ll throw down with you right here, and for the last time, especially since *I know for a fact you didn’t even bother to watch the video.*
Despite saying “for the last time” I don’t intend to give in to your mindless slander, I’m just gonna copy and paste the response at every turn.
As someone who has played since Day 1, and never failed the 36-Star the abyss since 1.6, i Whole Heartedly Agree with the points raised in this video.
I have even Brought these issues up with Mihoyo on their surveys Countless Times...but when they did that interview and dropped that BS about player anxiety...I knew that they werent listening, and i was wasting my time and effort.
Actually. All you did was give them feedback for Honkai Star Rail. Got way better end game and now has a feature to replay Past events...yeah Genshin is jist a cashcow.
the surveys are just a thing they do to fool people.... Do people really think mihoyo is gonna read comments from MILLIONS of players? lol that's not even humanly possible, and no Ai would be able to analyze them anyway.
People just want to think their words have value for the company when reality is.. a company only listen to people in the process of making money, once they did.. you can even die and they would barely notice.
Now with Fontaine coming out I'm supposed to be excited but i can't help but continue to worry if they'll implement that ousia mechanic into abyss, forcing you to use Fontaine characters in abyss going forward, along with the shitty shields already locking you out of using certain elements
Im forced to build thoma character I despise to 36 starred the abyss. You're right it's not about skill, some people just can't be fucked to play characters they don't like
yeah I clared it with Ayato-Thoma-Baizhu-Nahida. definitely bring a healer, Kokomi or Yao Yao if you don't have Baizhu (in my case Baizhu was on deepwood and Nahida on gilded) 'cause Thoma's shield isn't enough for the abyss fuckers
dont feel forced to build him when you dont like him. ive 3 starred chamber 2 with raiden c0 nahida c0 xq bennet
You could use other pyro characters for burgeon besides thoma like klee and yanfei as well as maybe diluc or hu tao. Xingqiu dmg reduction (especially with 2 pc hydro dmg bonus increasing it further) would be better than ayato sadly. Could go further and put beidou to stack the dmg reduction so you cant die but need a lot of ER though. With both xingqiu and beidou, you could put prototype amber on nahida. There is also diminishing returns on EM, you could put a bit more hp on thoma instead of EM. 300 EM gives 20k burgeons, 700 EM gives 30k burgeons and 1000 EM gives 35k burgeons so there wont be that much of a dps loss to allocate some stats to hp instead of EM.
@@senbonkzakura7991haha nahida
i dont even bother with floor 12 at this point, it's straight up not worth the stress. i'll happily cruise control the first 3 rooms alone.
After that bullshit announcement, I've been playing less and less, starting with no resin usage, slowly into not clearing chest on the map, then not even want to do event. Now I only log in every 15 days to do the abyss, and with this current abyss, well, they did the job for me, I don't even feel like I have to log in anymore.
What I'm more sad about this game is, back when it's at its peak, it doesn't get the care it deserve, and now when it's not peak anymore, they don't even have any reason to fix any issue it's still have. Oh you want a better version ? Go play HSR, this game is just a sand box so they can do whatever tf test they want so they can go and make their favorite baby honkai a better game.
I'm 100% sure they know exactly how to fix this game in every way possible, you saw that in HSR, so Not that they don't know wtf they're doing, they just don't want to, and for whatever reason they seems to actively despite this game and will keep it as bad as possible on purpose.
of course they do, and yea you're also right about HSR , Genshin was the money maker, now all the money coming from genshin goes into star rail, and Genshin got basically abandoned , this is the feeling i get when i play the game. i still play daily, and will not quit unless i find a game i like more, i hope wuthering waves will be released for pc aswell, so i can try it.
The sad part is.. star rail is trash compared to genshin, but the company seems to have milked genshin as much as they wanted, so all the crap they do here, they improve it in star rail.
you're 100% right.
After quitting genshin for more then year and a half now I can confirm, watching content about how terrible things in the game are while you are not effected by any of these shity things anymore is more fun then playing the game
Does the game even changed a bit since 2021/ end of 2020? I have not played it since release
@@DOGEELLL
Nah it's literally the same game with more chore quests
"he kinda just falls over" why did I laugh so hard at that
The thing is, spiral abyss isn't "Easy". And it's not for no reason, cuz that's what hoyo wants the average low-spendor to think; giving them an incentive to think: "Hey, maybe that character on the current banner really is worth my primos" when in reality that is not the case at all. Trust me, this is coming from someone who used up 506 battles the first time the wenut came around in order to 36 star that abyss, and this abyss surpassed that with having to use 2 different teams on the first half, 3 different teams on the second half and a whopping 568 battles to 36 star; all this cuz I need all the primos I can get in-order to guarantee getting kazuha. So, when someone says spiral abyss is "Easy", they really just mean: "I just happen to have built the right team for this specific spiral abyss or just happened to have the featured character on the banner that makes this spiral dogshit ez"
It annoying that Mihoyo/Hoyoverse still from day 1 they can't refresh a Abyss from Floor 1-12 They can't refresh the Freemogems, instead the grab The Wallet out of our asses and Majority of the players think that's a business expense, like get your head out of your ass 😑😑😑😑😑
Don’t know if anyone has said it yet, but your avatar, Mr. Leach, its animations / expressions are awesome! Great vid Soul, always great to see more of your content.
Here from Tectone's stream. :)
Saw Tectone reaction video about this one and I have to say thank you! You literally said what everyone feels!
i just found this channel out and i find you narration style very funny :D
i also completely agree with you, abyss is just a hot mess of badly designed mobs, shields, tanky ennemies that either fly or go udnerground and barely any rewards
it has a lot a lot of potential like co_op special effects that are not designed for 2 characters...
but oh well it's been almost 3 years now and nothing has changed ...
Ive been running the new abyss for like 2 hours. I got 2 stars on floor 12-1 3 on 12-2 and I hsvent been able to make it through 12-3 due to how quickly the Baptist gets his shields uo again. I can kill his overworld version in less than 20 seconds. This abyss version haven't been killed at all today. I hate the electro manifestation I never thought I'd find it one of the easiest things to deal with in an abyss roster.
i don't know if you're exaggerating or not but if you can kill the overworld version in "less than 20s" then it sounds like you should be able to kill abyss one easily. Can i ask what team did you use?
any Dendro and the national core allow you to get through the Basterd's shield phases...Dendro counters hydro, Bennett/XL counter cryo and Xq counters pyro...obv other units work too but just bringing up a team/units that most people have by the time they get to floor 12...Not saying it's easy, just that the above units counter his phases well enough
@@thairoi8382 i mean ive got a video of me killing it on my channel it should be public. Its only 28 second long and part of that is just getting the shields down not to mention him just processing that hes dead. And that's not my best time cause I didn't have Kuki's burst ready to take down the cryo core and I didn't use nahida's burst so its less than 20 seconds for his health bar to disappear after the cores are down and then would be even fast if they had nahida's field buffs
@@deathmetalalchemist5861 last time was running Scara Xangling Layla and Bennett on that side cause of the electro bird. Imma switch to Al Xq Nahida and Kuki again for it. The issue is that I use them for the first half and idk if my Scara team can handle to concentrated beast or not. I'm not a like meta player I just play who I like. Its more the juxtaposition between how quickly I can kill the over world version versus the abyss version
@@roxan_1314 oh i see. So the problem is not that you don't deal enough dmg, but not having the right elements for the abyss variant
The consecrated beasts are one most of infurating enemies in the Abyss. I have not fought newer ones yet but the electro and pyro ones just instant kill you by ganging up on you overloading you to death.
A strong shielder basically required on those floors because you don't have time to heal with benette or Diona before they just insant gib you lol
“Concentrated beats” I will be using this from now on
@@walnutsss Constipated Beast
i reinstalled after a year, heard paimon's voice again, tried floor 8 and uninstalled again
i can't for the life of me undestand why anyone who ever quit for a significant amount of time would come back and stick around
Very little skill is required to execute rotations and so on. That is not where the skill comes from. It's about managing limited resources and building team which requires an understanding of the game.
still a skill issue.
@@pontoancora Here we go again. “get good” “skill issue” “spiral abyss easy.” Excuse me? You have zero evidence to back any of that up whatsoever. You said in the past you can get 36 stars with only free characters, right? Prove it. Upload the proof to your channel and compromise your Portuguese marketing company in the process. Show us that dodging, I-framing, and rotation is the _only_ thing that matters. I already know that you will not upload, simply because wish to hide the fact skill does not matter. Even if you hit every single mark without taking advantage of the Blessing of the Abyssal Moon, you are guaranteed to have at least 40 crit value on every single artifact, and a 5 star weapon on all if not most characters used. How do you get artifacts and weapons? Gacha systems. Are Gacha systems a skill? No, they’re completely chance based. Getting artifacts, weapons and characters are not a skill and they never will be, and I’ll keep saying this until it breaks through your plutonium skull.
@@zSTALKn dude it's not free characters but people DID clear the abyss with four stars, it's doesn't take 1 minute to search it up, they aren't even c6 and neither have godly artifacts
And no i ain't wasting my time proving this to skill issue people like you
@@ocean7790 “you just making excuses. Who you have is irrelevant because I get 36 stars with free characters. Just git gud man.” -prontoacora, _Is Spiral Abyss Breaking Genshin Impact_ by Vars II. Comment added May 2023.
I almost burst out laughing the second I saw you comment thinking this involved you
@@zSTALKn git gud. Stop crying
It still appalls me how Genshin endgame content is so alarmingly terrible Hoyoverse is with balancing it's end-game content. I'm at a lost for words at this point, and I didn't even play Spiral Abyss a lot if at all. Here I thought the whole "instead of fixing Dehya let's just slap her on the standard banner!" thing was ridiculous enough, but I'm just genuinely impressed how Hoyoverse keeps digging their own grave with how they're running Genshin at this point
Star rail is there real baby and they keeping them well fed.
@@silverhawkscape2677 its a new game and a spin off from the mainline honkai games, give it a few months or years and it wont be as well off lmao
@@garchompy_1561 Say that to Honkai 3rd...That game is still getting absurd levels of attention and it's main story literally ended.
why would they care? mihoyo released honkai.. people stop genthin and go there, still giving them money. they have ZERO care about what idiots, ehm player want, because in the end, they will still be milked by the same company. If people boycotted star rail, you would have seen a HUGE improvement on genshin.. but no, people just want new stuff to spend time and money on.
@@codyhax0995 it didn´t ended...it was just part 1 that ended
I think part of the issue is how broken some mechanics and characters are. For example, we can do a lot of damage with certain teams so hoyo tries to balance with enemies having more HP, shields or more phases so we don't one-shot them. A good healer or shielder basically makes you immortal so new enemies now do more damage and attack more constantly, or can even cause status ailments to prevent you from healing/shielding. Also some enemies are made to be some kind of bosses, like the abyss lectors, so when you find one in the wild they might be strong but you can learn they patterns and weaknesses and fight them just fine however in the abyss you not only have to fight a buffed version of said enemy, they are also grouped with other 2 or 3 enemies that are obviously not designed to be fought together so you will most likely just see a bunch of random bs happening in screen, god have mercy on you if you don't use a shielder.
I have seen here in this comment section that the enemies have access to the same things you do (like reactions or shielding) so it's fair, and I would agree if it wasn't for a tiny little meaningless thing that happens to be related to how much rewards you get from the abyss: THERE'S A TIMER.
Enemies stalling you is frustrating cause you are wasting time not because "it's too hard" but if you stall enemies just running around and healing won't be too beneficial for you neither since, again, YOU ARE WASTING TIME. So yeah, I don't think we are under the same win condition as the enemies here
I needed to hear this! Great video!
There´s 1 think I like about these changes, and it is that it encourages you to invest in more characters that have diverse functions... the problem is that yeah, the "other" characters just don´t feel good to level up because they´re weaker than whatever options you had before. It doesn´t feel good to level up Cyno, Layla, Dori, Dehya, Heizou, Baizhu...
And in the end is not that you require new mechanics or characters that can help you with specific mechanics, it is just inmune enemies or enemies hidden underground and annoying stuff like that.
yea, that's the real problem of abyss... its not that enemies are strong, its that they are annoying and time wasting.
wenut, the wolf lord, the thunder manifestation.. you need to put A LOT OF EFFORT to die in those fights, but spend most of the time chasing them, or pray to god they come down for at least 10 seconds, so you can actually hit them.
Skill issue. Baizhu isn't bad.
@@PrompiTomomi I didn´t say he was bad, just that it doesn´t feel good to get him when there´s so many defensive options available already.
God I'm glad I quit genshin a long time ago, since well there was no endgame and still isn't. But this makes me wonder if my account could 36 star abyss (I don't have dendro lmao), but I'm gonna keep playing Monster Hunter rather than reinstall.
Probs can ive been using international and hu tao in every abyss rotation from 2.0 and still 36, no c6 characters
12:30
This coming after dying to an elite that is notorious for being able to kill you easily is funny as hell.
Right now i just dont care about the star i got in abyss. "oh i only got 33* fk it ill take it. move on to next line up."
Called this day 5 after launch, when I was taking the first look at the Abyss: Bullet sponge enemies + timer = gearcheck. It's designed to force players to spend.
What I didn't expect, was that they took years before turning it into whale territory. But I guess the game was doing surprisingly well, so they didn't have to.
I agree that it's only going down from here. Excessive anxiety incomming.
it seems like recent abyss really forces you to run dendro related reaction. back then, you can literally run any teams you want and still completes the abyss.
im guessing that why eula didnt get a rerun for the longest time is bcoz her playstyle(physical) right now is no longer viable and relevant. im not a fan of dendro reaction but it seems like the game is forcing me to play a certain playstyle that i dont like.
I havent played in about a month, just got to a point where i didnt even know how to spend resin. I have 400+ good artifacts, good characters, good weapons. There just isnt a game loop and I cant see myself playing anymore without one. I dont think anyone who was asking for end game content was asking for it to be this hard, i just want some reason to play the game, it could be piss easy if it was just a fun thing to do for an hour a day.
I haven't played HSR yet but the people who jumped fences said that the game was kinda generous with their pity and that you can build your desired artifact in some way. I was surprised but i don't really like turn based games that is why i'm still on GI. The question is: what is the difference between HSRs mihoyo and GIs mihoyo? Why haven't they added those little tweaks on artifacts and like you said, WHY DO THEY KEEP ON STALLING GI? If HSR was like GI, just in a different universe i would've switched instantly.
because its the same company... why would they even care?
Imagine i have 2 shop in which i sell food, one sell very good food, but with time, they will replace quality food with garbage to save money but still milk people out.
Then i have the second shop in which i put zero effort, i copied the first but changed a few things, and people are flooding in, why would i give a crap about the first shop? :D
people are to blame, if they boycotted mihoyo and Star rail, they would have been forced to improve on genshin, but they don't need to.. because people jump ship VERY easily.
The thing is, the custom made artifact cost 20 5* and its gatekeeped to 2 per patch and it isnt even that great due to it only making the mainstat and not the substats (and you know how much substats mattered in genshin)
@@lucklei4665 i didn't know that, it's so farfetched, i would never craft one of those granted if i play the game(which i won't lol)
@@WastedTalent83 yeah that's true, most of the streamers did it so easily.
I spent $8000 dollars on genshin and I cannot clear 12 100% with the several characters I built. Just because enemies have 800% more hp,
I have great artifacts but that doesn't matter because I don't feel like building dendro characters on my main
It's not worth the effort. If my C6 Xiao c3 Zhong c4 albedo and c6 Bennett can't clear 12? The game is the issue, not me
Wow,a sane person who realizes he made the wrong choice spending on the game and doesnt just attack the creator because he stated that in fact the game is getting worse
@@patrickmilad7714 I really thought the game was going somewhere because of the very first boss rush event we had. Now I just want to see Hoyoverse burn
couldn't bother to do spiral abyss half of the time regardless, but it's good to know that I have even less of a reason to give it the time of day. probably an issue caused due to lack of understanding on my part but the sheer difficulty spike in abyss more recently reminds me of honkai impact, in which the abyss is completely unplayable due to what I can only assume is also artificially increased difficulty which depends on your performance in the previous cycle if I remember correctly. I could have some of the strongest stuff in the game and still be dealing mere slivers of health with a full team rotation, not really that fun.
Great video soul!! really good work
I really like the video format, soul!
Yeah, you just need two teams to beat the game. That line aged like a rotten milk
I used to have goal to 36* the abbys, after I finally did that I don't care anymore. If I 36* - alright, if not - that's ok. Lately abbys testing my 'good enough build' characters so much all I want is 33* and take whats mine. In one of previous cycles with crazy amount of rolling animals I spend half a day to 36* (or actually to get last missing star) and I did that only because I was sick and had nothing better to do at home.
Actually not that long ago I was thinking whats keeping me with this game. I still love exploring, I like building characters (and I don't mind it takes so long, maybe thats for the best) and I'm waiting for main story continuation.
One more thing, I agree that new characters becoming more and more meh. I was waiting for Baizhu 2years and I went for his first con only because it solved many of his issues and I desperately needed him in my collection. But beside him look at Dehya, Mika, Faruzan, Candace and even everyones beloved Kaveh, they either don't work or work with most/all constellations. And [spoiler] upcoming characters don't look better.
A year later, and the abyss has obviously increased in difficulty. So much that if you didn't pull for Neuvillette or Arlecchino you're doomed. Maybe Alhaitham, but that's only because hyperbloom carries him hard. And even then, you're relying on getting a 4* out of 100 different 4* items in the standard wish, or wait until Raiden banner comes out to completely destroy her kit and turn her into a hyperbloom character.
10% luck 20% skill...
:(
100% pain
15% concentrated power of will???
70% internet issue (cant be bothered to plag abyss when changing characters are so laggy for me at 180-200 ping)
@@maxpwer8294 5% pleasure, 50% percent pain, AND A HUNDRED PERCENT REASON TO REMEMBER THE NAME
80% luck because majority of power boost came from artifact. 100% guarantee can't 36* if you have crap one because you lack dps.
Reverse power creep is such a bitch move by MHY yet it is supported by 95% of the players that only play overworld. These players will furiously cry about power creep the moment you suggest that a new 5-star character should be noticeably stronger than units from 1.0 or 2.0. God forbid a 5-star C0 unit from Fontaine NOT be a sidegrade or downgrade from a C0 unit from ANY unit in 2.0.
Additionally, the Abyss has never been worth the effort if you were going for primos. 600 primo gems every 2 weeks is the equivalent to ~0.72 cents a day or $5 every week. You can either beat the DPS/shield race or you don’t. Going forward, Spiral Abyss should no longer give out participation primos in the form of easily clearable floor 12 chambers without proper investment in diverse elemental teams and a modicum of /dodging “skills.”
Most of the people in the comments keeps giving roundabout excuses for what is fun and what is “frustrating or artificially difficult” when what they’re really saying is: “I want to clear the Abyss every 2 weeks with little to no compromises, difficulties, retries, etc and loot all 600 primos.”
Get good already my dudes because removing: the timer, elemental/shield checks, ungroupable enemies, tanky enemies, hard hitting enemies, and aggressive enemies is no different than replacing them with Hilichurls. There is no other way to increase difficulty in Genshin encounters. Adding lame mechanics from world/weekly bosses is not “organically difficult” - it is the opposite. Those mechanics literally reward you for NOT building your units.
TLDR: Get good or just quit the SA and drop $10 every 2 weeks for your 600 primos (3.75 wishes).
Just a note there, casuals are not players. The playerbase does not support reverse powercreep.
You are right, but also wrong..
You're totally right about the RNG factor, but also wrong about the "skills" This game require skill in different department, as i say this as an almost f2p, i only do welking and maybe i did 6 BP from when the game released , so i spend very little.
I had to struggle a lot, but i was finally able to 36 the last abyss, it really took me hours of trials and errors , i say at least 3 or 4 hours.
My point being.. if you don't develop the skill to do rotations well, use burst to avoid certain enemies attacks etc, you just wont close abyss 36, unless you're a whale.
Casual players lack skill, and the will to learn how to fight and how the system work, saying "the game require no skills" its just the same as saying "i don't want to put the effort to learn so its easy to say no skill is needed"
Luck play a huge factor because of artifacts only, but to be honest.. even there, if you just keep playing and farm domain you will get decent ones sooner or later, talents are 100% drop, same for exp and money, so there is no rng there. Crit is not RNG simply because you can raise it with decent artifacts and weapon bonuses, meaning you get it pretty high if not even 100% erasing the rng on that side.
i would say that skill is at least 20-25% of this game (considering only abyss, for everything else is not needed at all) 5% its a bit low in my opinion xD
Oh and just as disclaimer, i NEVER even once played meta parties, it took a lot of effort because i do play the char i like only.
Everything else you said, you're 100% spot on tho , specially the stalling for time. its the thing i hate most in the abyss.
You pointed the crux of the issue beautifully.
I've stopped even attempting floor 12 all-together. It's not fun, it's not hard, it's annoying and it's a time sink...and all of that for a measly fraction of a single summon.
The "big names" you mentioned are often gagged by mihoyo. If they say things mihoyo doesn't like they lose their early access and free primo perks.
The issue with the abyss is just simply that it's tailored towards the characters that are currently on the banner. Chamber 1 is an outlier for this cycle since Yoimiya isn't really good against the multiple targets. Otherwise it's clear.
Funny enough, this spike, in chamber 1, would have already appeared in 3.5, but they chose to not do it then. Wonder why tho.
Can’t wait for Wuthering Waves!
I was about to ask if Baizhu is really that bad before I remembered that I literally only summoned him for Cyno and have only ever used him with Cyno. Like jesus, he's a 5 star and I have literally never used him outside of my Cyno quickbloom team
I mean I agree with what your saying but its nice to have a challenge in spiral abyss for once because its usually a walk over to anyone who's at least AR60 and has played the game long enough.
i don't mind hard content. i really don't, but as he said, these monsters are created to make you waste time , not to kill you, and that's very annoying.
i have more than enough damage, to clear whatever fast enough, but i spend half time, praying enemies will come down or stop going underground XD its very annoying.
i'm ar60 and have been playing since launch, there's only 1 abyss i have 36 starred and that was a while ago, the one with the anemo buff, i can say for sure it's not a cake walk even for veterans, i dont even bother anymore, floors 9 and 10 and i'm done
@@zeiko_oo absolutely not, this abyss was insanely hard, only hard core players or people who actually care a lot about getting strong can clear it.
there is a high chance i am an outlier but i am ar60 and have never 36* abyss lmao. i have nearly always been able to 27* the abyss until recently though, never cared enough to put effort into floor 12 to constantly reset to get those last 9*. recently, i've been stopping doing floor 11 too because of the increased difficulty in the last like ~3 or ~4 spiral abysses. it wasn't fun and was never easy for me lol
I used to be able to do 9 stars on 12th floor. Then it became impossible, so i settle with 6. The latest one I just gave up on 6 and take whatever I could get. It's less frustrating. And honestly if Genshin server were to go down forever, I would probably be ok with it.
I mopped the floor with floor 11 and then couldn't get two stars for floor 12, makes sense right?
It is truly wild to me that the rewards for clearing the Abyss are so absolutely abysmal. I have still not 36 starred. I would like to solely for the achievement. I regularly clear 9, 10, and most of 11. I dont bother with 12 any more because I just do not have the TIME to spend towards trying to get the perfect artifacts for the perfect team. And at this point it feels less and less like there is a perfect team when they set up all the bonk that they do as you showed with this floor.
if you don’t like it don’t play it. Isn’t that what the so called casual community would say.😂
Holy shit he's a png tuber now
Truly what its meant to be
... tbh, this is exactly what happens in HI3. Something similar to the abyss but with 2 other mechanics. One, for some god damn reason, has a difficult BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE GAME HAVE COMOLETED IT! WHAT THE FUCK!?
Wnd one being 'you need to pull for this new character. SSS rank mac weapon/stigmatas'. Then next patch? "Oh, that unit you got last month? Yeah, everything in this place is 75% immune so you will do tiddy bitty ant damage. You need THIS NEW UNIT!"
I hate them
Are any character high constellation? I just build up the shronk ones ...
Other gacha games make strong units so we can feel like out money was well spent. Hoyoverse makes strong enemies so no matter how much money we spend it's not going to be good enough if your artifacts are weak and if you didn't pre-farm character materials, boss drops, books and mora a month early.
well... i don't want to advocate for mihoyo since i hate the company but your point are valid only for new players... when you play from long you basically have all the materials to 90 a new char and also 9 all the skills, the artifacts are the only real pain.
Also.. if you do spend money on this game, even the last abyss looks like a joke, mobs die at the speed of light. Unless... you're a low spender like me xD took me 4 hours to clear abyss.
But whales can kill these mobs as if they are hilichurl trust me.
9:57 Baizhu isn't bad wtf are you smoking? He's a perfectly solid character that more than serves his purpose as a dendro healer. He works very well in Nilou bloom teams, as a hyperbloom driver,, and is a solid dendro healer alternative to Yaoyao (if not better in most cases since Yaoyao needs field time to output significant healing). You don't know what you're talking about. The main "problem" with him is not that he is bad, but rather redundant, given the plethora of options we have for our dendro teams already. That doesn't make him dogshit smh
I swear, this is just the mentality of people who just want powercreep.
Dude you hit every single nail on the head, very well articulated.
also the fact that in the beta at 12-3-1 there were supposed to be FOUR consecrated beasts at once instead of 2 waves of 2 just screams that mihoyo does not care about casual players/players who dont spent as much money or hyperinvest in their characters
4 together would have been much better in term of time , it would have been harder to stay alive but also much easier to actually hit them xD
Soul try to make positive Genshin video challenge...Difficulty: Impossible
In all seriousness you do make a lot of good points here
their probably doing this so they can use their data and say to the playerbase doesnt want hard content.
3:55 is correct, I will use the characters I like on abyss. Also they are the ones I heavily invested with (artifact, talents, constellations, weapon refines, time to build)
I'm okay if I can't get 36 stars on Abyss, as long as I don't get to use Bennett, Kazuha, Raiden, Yelan, Venti, Ayaka and Zhongli (Bennett is Lv.6, I skipped all of the rest)
I beat this abyss on two accounts and its bad. You can beat the second half rather easily with Nahida National, but if you dont have access to you're out of luck...
Account A (AR60 Day One):
Usually I'd bring Nilou, Nahida, Xingqui, YaoYao bloom (Signiture on Nilou) and Rational with Yelan to beat the abyss (cuz its easy and those are my highest invested teams). But for this abyss I had to rip my second team apart. Nahida stayed on the Nilou Bloom Team (I tried to make due without her, but shit didn't work out) and I ended up going with Yelan, Bennet, Xiangling and Kazuha. On all floors I passed with less than 10 seconds on the clock and I had to reset the entrie run to beat floor 12.3 to get my Bursts. The most annoying part where the beasts on 12.3.1 as I had to reset rather often when either someone in my team died or the beasts didnt group correnctly and I somehow lost 20-30 seconds (just so I could fail to beat the dude on the second half because i had no idea how to fight him). Overall I probably reseted close to 100 times on that floor alone.
Account B (AR60 Half a Year after release):
Usually I'd bring Kequing, Fishl, Kazuha, Yao Yao (Mistsplitter on Kequing, Sig+C2 on Kazuha) and Hutao, Xingqui, Yelan, Thoma (Hutao c1+r1, Yelan c4+r1). Now the first half was surprisingly doable the entire way through. Kazuha was definetly part of it for 12.1, and for 12.2 and 12.3 having "normal" resistance on the enemies made it a lot easier than nilou bloom. The second half was a drag tho. With hutao I couldnt get through 12.1 so I just had to rely on my Yelan to basically do all the work. Swapped the team for Yelan, Bennet, Xiangling, Thoma and I was actually able to clear everything relatively first try.
I really dont like how limited this abyss feels about which characters you can use. One thing you'll notice for my teams is that I relied on Xianglings ICD (Or the lack of thereof) to get through the second half on both accounts. The only ways I've seen poeople get through 12.1.2 is with Bennet+Kazuha or Bennet+Xinagling. In previous abysses you could atleast kindof brute force your way with strong enough characters. ASIMON was definetly very doable with Hutao Double Hydro even tho it basically ignored all the boss mechanics, but in the current abyss thats simply not possible and it sucks. I've literally waited almost a year for Hutaos rerun and benching her like that really did hurt.
Enemies in abyss should be balanced in a way that allows for Casuals/f2p/early game players to beat the content by making use of the bosses mechanics or abyss blessing, but Whales and vetran players shouldn't need to do that. I wanna play the damn characters that I like and not be forced to use some random assortment of units that just so happens to be the solve for the current puzzle of required elements and abilities. OR give us content that actually allows us to use our characters outside of the abyss (ik, crazy concept). I recently pulled for yoimiya on my second account and due to having c4 yelan as a sub dps I literally can't damage test the fucking team anywhere. And in abyss? Well Yoimiya is so single target that shes basically useless in the current rotation. The end result is that I now have a character that I really like, but theres nothing I can do with her apart from farming better artifacts and waiting for an abyss rotation that actually allows me to use my characters. Great game design... I would literally be content with another world level that adds nothing but higher HP Pools on enemies. Give me level 100 overworld enemies. Just something, anything to make the game more than a glorified audiobook interlaced with fights that require a single kazuha e to beat or the infuriating gameplay that is abyss. I'm genuinly dissapointed by the horrible direction that mihoyo has taken with this game.
Abyss being the only endgame is so stupid and so unbelievably lazy. It was never and will never be fun. If you cant beat it its infuriating, because theres nothing you can do to fix it, that doesnt involve multiple days if not weeks or months of farming. But the moment you can beat it, it just becomes boring. There's no replay value (even tho you have to do it twice already) and on top of that it'll waste like half an hour of time to get back to floor 12 (which is the only floor that really changes to begin with) every reset...
I really like this game. The combat is fun, characters mostly fell unique and the underlying mechanics are easy to learn but hard to master. But Mihoyo purposefully choose not to use the great combat system that they have created. Its not a diamond in the rough, its literally a fully cut and polished diamond on a nice golden ring and then mihoyo decided to throw it into poop.
I could go on for hours, but I think you get my point.
agree with everything except the Eula take lmao
“run around the room like an autistic 5 year old” 😭😭😭😭😭😭
When I quit playing Junction I actually loomed blender Adobe great editing software and will they be able to complete weights of art it built confidence and stuff that I might be able to do in the future Kenton is just the same repetitive task a brother shiny hunter speed run and not the gunshots speed one real speed running in games will you use glitches that they don't fix
you're right in everything you said, except for the part where you said they're are stupid, oh no man, they know what they are doing, they want, like you said, stall us, they know that even if they make the hardest boss ever, without the "stall" mechanic, ppl will destroy it in 10 secs, this is why they put everything we wanted them to put in genshin into star rail, they want us to play both games, star rail will get to this level in a couple of years, mark my words, this is a very scummy practice, and it has to stop, sadly, whales with their "skill isue" mentality ruins it for the rest of us who just want a fun challenge instead of playing waiting simulator.
is a honkai game so it will be treated better...like hi3rd and ggz still treated good after this long
Genshin just got extremely low revenue on 2 banners consecutively if that tell something, and I really happy to see it. Something need to force Mihoyo to be less greedy and start develop some real end game content (no... not stupid boring dps-check abyss).
Also I believe in hidden conditional fake 50/50 gacha rate theory -> If your account somehow meet a condition of "potential pay-more customer", system will make your "luck" went downhill so you are forced to pay more (like make you lose almost all 50/50 at high pity like me).
sadly no, they will get their money back once Fontaine drops. Genshin income is dropping purely because of HSR and we are at the end of the version cycle, so "dead" patches, yet it is still 2nd place lol. The moment Fontaine comes, Genshin will be right back at its usual place money wise. It has always happened, minus the going 2nd, since no game could even top Genshin's number previously lmao
low revenue, mean shit to mihoyo, they did billions, and they will keep doing them on star rail, people are dumb enough to keep playing mihoyo games still.. so mihoyo just say , who cares what they say or think if they keep covering us with money ? totally fair i would add, if i was them i would have done the same.
People can't care less about quality they only look for appearance, only smart people pay the price for wanting things with good quality, everybody else, which is probably 90% of the players, can't care less and keep spending or playing mihoyo other games.
@@WastedTalent83 well mihoyo games become a junk food, a junk food that people keep buying because it's delicious but it's also bad to our health and evil company keep doing it for the sake of money.
Maybe because HSR literally just drops? also i wouldn't call 50 millions an "extremely low revenue" but hey keep gaslighting yourself!
I took so long to build 8 characters n when i finally set to abyss every enemey is so fucking far away its difficult to even clear them with best teams
This Abyss 12 is the only one I managed to full star, and it was a terrible experience going through it.
The only enjoyable thing was the Dendro chicken and unvalidating the 2nd half of the Abyss with Klee Burgeon. But the 4 fucking beasts were so frustrating for me, and without the burgeon team ignoring any forceful interaction in the 2nd half, I would have hated this more
My favorite difficulty is just giving the opponents more hp, just do more damage or even both.
Because who wants a smarter ai or an improvement to the combat system to make dodging actually do something.
"smarter ai or an improvement to the combat system to make dodging actually do something."
They just did that
@@pontoancora people really say anything here 😅
@@ocean7790 People just don't use their brains lets be rail
I love genshin I do. But why is it so predatory to the players? I've been playing for almost a year and I feel like I'm never going to 36* the abyss( my max is 29) Hell I can't even finish floor 12 because I get killed everything does so much damage.
Uhmm.. maybe because it's a gacha game?
@@Rishak7991 ask og players it wasn't always like this in terms of gameplay mechanics, I'm not talking about spending money
Skill issue can’t 36* even once Genshit players so dumb 😂
@@owliria_sage i have started in 1.2, the best approach to Abyss is to ignore it after you unlock the achievements and the card ( no it does not require 36*). It's been always a DPS check/stalling based arena, from the hydro mimics to the mirror maiden+electro cicin mage, perma freeze mobs, the immortal samurais and the PTSD inducing hypostasis on steroids. What changed is that our units keep getting nerfed and enemies keep getting buffed. More or less directly.
@@cartoonvideos5 cringe
What I don't get about this game is how they spend their budget on temporary addition like event mini games. Why don't they add more permanent game addition like Abbys or even their card game...
Their coop is lacking and could have been a game changer. I use it a lot to help people farm bosses/domain when they have difficulty. For example,they could have added settings for coop where by default, people can't loot your world.
Then, in your settings, pick two options: Allow loot or Manual. Manual is when you have to click a guess and allow it on individual basis.
Or even an Abbys coop.
I build every character in the game but can only use 2 teams at a time bc of the blocking elements. I cnt even test teams in peace
Hoyoverse is making the enemies more annoying instead of more challenging; limiting possibilities instead of opening up new ones. It really ruins the fun tbh
Doubt anyone will read all of this, but may as well write it all out (long message warning lol).
While I agree with everything that was mentioned here, you forgot to add something else I still don't understand why people don't talk about enough when it comes to this game. Genshin is still the only gacha game I play and while I like the game as a whole, I don't know if other gacha system has this particular problem I'm going to talk about here, and that is how the abyss is the only solo content on this game that relies on ping.
For my personal experience here, I'm someone who lives in the Middle East, when I got introduced to this game, I was introduced to it by a friend who lives in North America. Naturally, id pick the NA servers so I can play with my friend who was still introducing me to the game (back around update 1.4). I never once complained about how bad ping is when it comes to this game since for the most part it was only annoying to deal with when I was co-oping, but everything else it was perfectly fine since most content on this game doesn't really get affected by your internet connection. This only became a problem once I realized the Spiral Abyss has those exact same ping issues I get on co-op.
Playing the current abyss on a constant 200+ ping while having character delays up to almost full second is BEYOND frustrating. The beasts in 12-3 are already a bitch to deal with, to try to deal with them while constantly feeling the delay of precise timings is something I don't even wish on my worst of enemies. I managed to 36* it after it took me ~7 hours of gameplay, where around 6 of those hours is me constantly resetting because of both 12-3 first half, and 12-1 2nd half.
After having to experience this fucking abomination I had to deal with, this will be the first time in a year and a half where I'm not aiming to 36* the abyss when it will reset (2x that since every rotation resets 2 times) because putting that much effort for 50 primogems is one thing, but putting that much effort while not having fun over something you can't control is another. Why the fuck is the Spiral Abyss the only SOLO content on this game that actually gets affected heavily by ping? Every other type of content (including domains) gets next to no ping related issues (unless you co-op them), why is this the exception? especially when the abyss requires FAR more precise timings than everything else that you can do on this game. It absolutely makes no sense since you can't co-op the abyss at all.
This is also the only game that I play where I can't change my server, and if I play on a different server, I can't play with my friends unless they join me on that other server too, and if we change the server, we have to start from square 1. May I ask why is this a thing? Why am I forever stuck on one server when it comes to my account and can't transfer without bullshit that you will never see on other games? My case is not even that niche, if you're someone who travels around the world you will have this problem as well where in every other game its very simple to fix, just pick the server you want to play on and you're all set. Not on this game though because..... reasons.
The server issue is a thing in Azur Lane. I'm guessing, because of them being gacha games, people tend to reroll so they made you refresh it. It's pretty dumb in retrospect though. I agree with everything you said too. I have great ping (40-43, it's green) and I still have loading problems for the mobs (lowest settings possible bcus laptop, but still, I have an SSD/load faster chip). And not to mention the fact that ping also affects your switching characters thing. It's just aggravating.
the world is becoming more and more "i dont give a shit if you don't have the best connection ever" . This is all i know, many games even PUNISH you for not having the best connection, if you get Disconnected to lose something, or you have to restart the stage 45 times etc.
@@Duhgel If that's their actual reason then my god I fucking hate companies and their greedy-ness shit. If the user wants to re-roll on characters, they can just make another account, or the game can allow us to have multiple save files so that way if I want to re-roll/restart the game from the beginning, I can use a different profile on the same account. Every other game I know offline/online has it like any of these 2 options, why is this one not the same?
I didn't know you had issues with the character switching too, surprised that even with good ping that still happens in the abyss, more of a fucking reason for them that they need to function properly because I bet you never complained about character switching in the overworld or any domain at all (just like me).
For the mobs taking forever to load, I had an old laptop that used to do the same issue. However, when I upgraded to a tanky laptop with more ram storage, a high quality processor and GPU, it got rid of this problem for me. It's still pretty pathetic that a circle area with next to no object has optimization issues with more budget pcs/laptops, and again like mentioned earlier with character switching, I bet you don't have that issue at all with overworld or domains, just the abyss.
@@WastedTalent83 You're not wrong, but at least in those games they are consistent with their result. If you have connection issues on them, it will be because you are playing against other players around the world. My issue in the abyss case is that there are no other players in the world interaction with them, so them lagging in the first place because of ping is unbelievably dumb. This is why I said as well in the overworld and in domains when I don't co-op them I have no complains because they actually feel like there is no ping lag at all (which it should be).
Not to mention that other games at least allow you to pick any server you want without starting again from the beginning. Imagine playing games like CSGO or Rocket League where you can't pick which server to que in, you can't switch the server unless you lose all of your progress, and you don't live in the server that you chose from the start. People would fucking make an outrage if they ever do that. So why I don't see people complaining about this when it comes to Genshin too?
"Wake up babe, new *Soul talking about genshin video* just dropped"
Rant aside, what are your suggestion for endgame, Soul? Abyss 12 is only for 150 primos tho
I'm gonna trigger so many people but I don't care.
I left Genshin, uninstalled, because of how unfun Artifact grinding was and finally came back (end of 3.6) after leaving before Inazuma.
The only thing I learned worth it to do is play this game casually, and the hot take: Invokation TCG requires mountains more skill than Spiral Abyss does. There, I said it. You want to challenge me in a match of skill? Bring your deck, otherwise, your wasting my time.
So for those reading this comment, just pull for who you find fun. I HATE the way Hu Tao plays, spamming jump cancel is a pain and is incredibly unfun, but Eula is so damn satisfying and she comes out good right out of the box, I don't need to min-max a whole team with her, I just need C1 Bennet, Zhongli with High HP, and someone to do superconduct and I'm solid.
Genshin is struggling in anything but the casual content because the barrier of entry for max-level is just fucking absurd. Do remember that you used to have to be AR 40 to complete Liyue and yet you could do all of Sumeru right after AR 20 now.
This game seriously needs some fixing, the bare minimum they could do is remove resin cost for relics and MASSIVELY reduce the requirements for talent AND ascension materials and then we'd be able to get somewhere.
Kirara proves that they can still make fun and balanced characters, but they are too focused on fixing things without buffs or nerfs and without making it any easier on anyone who doesn't whale.
The consequence of this is that if all the casuals leave, the whale's will have no one to brag to and will leave as well.
I can't even believe that the team that handles Honkai Star Rail is working for the same company that has that shitty team in charge of Genshin. I just feel bad for the Art department or Story department, because they are fucking KILLING it, but are held back by the dumbasses in charge of gameplay.
I'm just so tired of playing games with wasted potential, it's so exhausting I can't take it anymore...
Tbh this abyss just felt like it was made to be anti dendro except Mihoyo forgot burgeon exists. On first half chicken and the dendro beasts are anti bloom--while the first half as a whole is bad for every agg/spread team other than Haitham/Yae--and on the second half the shield checks block every dendro team (except burgeon).
Worst abyss they've ever made. I have no idea how they managed to make it less fun than the last one. Instead of just reining in dendro, they managed to make other comps feel like shit to play by also making it a Yoimiya abyss. 0/10. (For reference, I still first tried both abysses. They're just poorly designed)
PS: streaming abyss would be very good content just saying [insert discord server advertisement here]
Edit: Apparently some people can't understand what I said. What I meant was not that dendro is unusable in abyss. I meant that the enemies they used were intended to make dendro unusable in abyss. The entire second half is made to counter agg/spread/hyperbloom/nilou bloom which are the dendro teams people actually talk about. The first half has multi-wave aoe content which is explicitly bad for hyperbloom teams, and they put in multiple dendro resistant enemies. They also put in hydro resistant enemies with the dendro resistant enemies, which only counters hyperbloom and nilou teams. Then a Keqing that isn't hyperinvested will have degrouping issues in 12-1-1 and 12-3-1, and multiwave aoe is not ideal for yae/raiden agg and bad for any spread carries other than haitham. They very explicitly tried to counter the best dendro teams. That's what I meant when I said the abyss was anti dendro. Just because they can still brute force it doesn't mean they didn't design the abyss to counter the popular dendro teams.
Nah, this abyss is definitely not anti-dendro. Aggravate is one of the most effective teams for the first half, as it has high dps and solid AoE/defensive units. And burgeon is objectively the best solution to second half, as it provides hard counters to all of the elemental shields and you not gonna vape on thundering manifestation anyway so adding dendro won’t fuck your reactions over.
What are you saying? Cleared this Abyss literally with Dendro characters on both teams. If you meant anti-bloom, the first floor is easily clearable with hyperbloom or nilou bloom.
You don't even need burgeon, C6 Fischl and Kuki are enough to destroy the cryo shields in a traditional Nahida hyperbloom team.
The abyss was never meant to be anti-dendro, the hell are you talking about? An aggravate team is good for first half and a burgeon team is good for second half…
You are objectively wrong. Some of the strongest teams to clear this abyss have dendro on both sides that crush them. Baptist went down in about 40 seconds. Aggravate Keqing made the top floor really easy too. Nahida is godlike on all chambers.