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addressing the obvious
addressing the obvious
addressing the obvious - Hry
I honestly keep forgetting Greenwood exists.
Good, that’s a very good way to be
I really really wish i don't get reminded after this video of this scumbag's existence because its honestly pathetic that a person like him has to share the same world with sane people
Me too lmao
He's apparently really popular in Spain
Yep
honestly as a female football fan in your audience and a sexual assault survivor, I appreciate so freaking much how vocal you are on this issue, thank you.
All the best to you love
I was once part of an event called Football V Domestic Abuse.
You’re very brave and thank you for speaking up on this matter
I wish you well thank you for being here, hope you are treat well❤
Another female football fan for life. And thankful for everyone vocal about this.
For some reason, as a United fan myself who actually hates this man, a huge amount of fans want him back. He should have been released a while back.
That’s a large reason why I’ve done the video too, the support of him is insanity
@@Vizeh Almost every United fan I talk to says to keep him, and most of them even admit that they know he actually did it and just want to keep him for ability, which is a terrible take. He has talent, but like you stated in the video, it looks like he hasn't changed at all, and even if he has I don't think he should be allowed to play football at all.
@@GabrielWilliams-dv2whyou can imagine how me, a cityzen woman, feels about such fans
I've never felt so disgusted about something in football like this
@@Ananas-280Yeah a lot of fans of Manchester United are pretty terrible
I'm a manchester united fan from Manchester live about 20 mins from old trafford. I don't know a single manchester united fan from manchester who says keep him. I don't want him he's a scumbag for what he's done
How greenwood is not in prison is crazy to me. with all the evidence you would expect him to be no where near football especially the top level he should be behind bars
Cases of this nature is always very dodgy, this simply was dropped due to key witnesses backing out and some new info. The reasons why we may never know
@@Vizehshut up weirdo
Money.
Because that’s not how it works, she dropped the charges, you big brain thinker
Sadly 60% of SA & Rape cases are dropped even when there's strong evidence. It's a system that was designed to help the rich, famous and politicians get away with it for years
Man Utd fan here. I absolutely adored Greenwood back before this all came to light. The audio and photos sicken me and I simply cannot support a man who would do something oike like that. It doesnt matter how good the footballer is, if he does something like that then he doesn't deserve to be at any football club, nevermind one of the biggest and most influencial clubs in the world.
Back around a decade ago when Adam Johnson was convicted for his crimes, he was kicked out of the sport with no debate (which he should have been). Ive been wondering since Greenwood's crimes, what would have happened if Adam Johnson was a better footballer and played for a bigger club at the time. Would the same situation would have happened then?
In the end, Mason Greenwood should be nowhere near Manchester United at all and I will be disgusted with my club if he ever puts on a Manchester United shirt again. Its scummy and greedy from the executives of the club to even be considering keeping him.
The Adam Johnson point is clear, main difference is one was charged in a criminal court of law. With Greenwood it’s all to court of public opinion and one i dont think will ever change
@@Vizehbro don't worry im a utd fan and we have been told a 100% that he is being sold or loaned with an obligation to buy at the ned of the summer. He could have been the next best RW in the world but my point is clear we must not compromise upon our values for a guy who can kick a ball
he doesn’t deserve any recognition in the english game. the fact there’s a debate just shows how fucked fans can be. if evidence is CLEAR he should be booted out the league. the fact that Adam Johnson was found guilty and prisoned, never played football again, the english game turned on him, but because Greenwood’s situation wasn’t taken further, it’s all of a sudden a debate. the english game baffles me sometime and adds more questions to the FA and the hierarchy of football. it’s such a shame
@@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310 Idiot
@@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310 quite hard to judge a player when their personal life was opened to the public. he did it to himself so he deserves everything that’s coming his way. that’s like saying “judge Jimmy Savile for what he does on TV and not his personal life” like bro it’s fucked
@@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310 There is audio and photos of his abuse, you're such a degenerate for supporting him
@@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310 what more evidence could you possibly need? his personal situation was known from the very moment those photos and recordings of him became public
@@trackingthecoreofstuffandm2310 We don't know everything, but the things we don't know is hardly enough to condradict what we DO know. And what we know should be enough - not to put him behind bars ecactly, legally that's impossible, but we can use our moral compass and just, NOT want to acociate us with him(:
The fact Greenwood gets to still play football just shows how corrupt the game actually is
Awful people play football, I’m not surprised that a club will take him somewhere. However the fact Man Utd has and are still willfully fucking around with this situation is awful
And man u payed for him to stay at a 5 bedroom villa in madrid during his loan at getafe
Honestly, if he were a regular guy on the street with that much concrete evidence against him, he'd have been in jail immediately. Being a rich footballer is like diplomatic immunity sometimes, it's revolting.
The fact Greenwood is not sitting in a jail cell shows how corrupt soceity actually is.
Awful people will always be in the game, but in cases like Greenwoods where there’s evidence like the audio in the public domain we need to speak up about it
Ten Hag doesn't want Sancho back for not apologising for something simple and he wants Greenwood, that's irony at it's highest
I doubt this is a Ten Hag decision, plus we don’t know how he feels on this matter so it’s unfair to assume the worst that he supports mason
@@isaaccc726you're right Eric Ten Hag might not be supporting him, I think it's best to just wait
@@vasilis_m4nthere were rumors that he said “he would be open to his return” about a year ago now but it was just rumors.
Also this is 100% a glazer choice lmao. They could care less about the controversy (they are already riddled in it). They just want to get their dividends to the max to make max profit and dip out of public sight for another year making that money.
If that means keeping a horrible person in the club just to make more money they’ll force Ineos and ten hag to keep the player in their ranks if they have to.
Welcome to Man United
We’re keeping Sancho don’t listen to the journalists
The fact we're still talking about him is insane.
Until Man Utd board and Man Utd legends cut him loose and still attempt to keep him at the club, he’ll always be talked about
He should be starting for England rn after their awful group matches. but i guess youre all not ready for that convo
@NandoFIT-df8ly can you touch grass?
@@NandoFIT-df8lygrow up
@@NandoFIT-df8lyignoring everything, a decent-ish winger for bang average Getafe should be nowhere near the England setup
You're right. And I don't believe he's changed at all. Why would he? He hasn't suffered any major consequence. If the Manchester police hadn't completely dropped the ball and done nothing when he violated his restraining order, justice might have been served. If I were a Manchester United supporter, I'd be furious to see that pile of trash return. I'm all for giving people a second chance when they've done their time (or at least shown that they've changed), but I don't think that applies here.
Spot on mate
Honestly my take on it is that Greenwood should not be allowed back to United sure he is a good player fast agile and could shoot with both feet but a fucked up indavidual who would abuse their own girlfriend would not be allowed in to the clubs. I also think that green wood probably manipulated his girlfriend while she put a restraining order on him and that is why the case was dropped. Honestly absolute disgrace
@@evergame7669and he still gets to play football as well
And the fact is abusers dont change either the amount of grown men that think its all good because his victim stayed with him scares tf outve me as a man.
Shows how little they care and take sex crimes and even more so sex crimes against women.
Some crimes people commit shouldn't warrant second chances. This is one of them
the irony of italian clubs wanting greenwood, while italian football has a campaign to raise awareness of domestic violence against women (red paint on the cheek)
truly maddening 🍷
What’s more ironic is that Lazio want him, couldn’t think of a more fitting club with their history
Some people need to realize that just because the case was dropped, doesn't mean that he was innocent
Even if he has the talent of messi, ronaldo, Zidane and maldini combined I would still not want at man utd
Yeah man some people just don't think about that.
It makes me wonder if they even care about women
Does not also mean he is guilty either. Thats the problem with it being dropped is that it was left with no conclusion either way
@nicholascrick7861 We all heard those recordings, he is guilty end of story that little prick deserves every bad thing that comes his way
@@nicholascrick7861 tax evasion? Sure. DV? No. Those cases are notoriously hard to prosecute because the victims rarely want to cooperate, even more so when the perpetrator is famous and has money. "Innocent until proven guilty" only applies to criminal penalties. He's not going to jail, but he's still an asshole that shouldn't play professionally ever again.
I'm not even surprised Marseille are looking into signing him, they have had countless controversial players come through their team.
I hate when people use the fact that his gf has forgiven him as it’s so common for victims of abuse to go back to their abuser there is no reason he should be back at united
The girl has forgiven him, even gotten pregnant for him, yet u fellows want him crucified? Since u are here to maul him to death, how abt seeking justice for Benjamin mendy whose career got ruined by ladies with false accusations? Crying more than the bereaved
@@nddjsjsjsi8600 so what do u want to do abt it then? Have his head on a pike? Why are u crying more than the bereaved here? The bereaved have stopped shedding tears, and u are telling her to keep crying? She even got pregnant for him too, so why do u want him crucified? How abt u seek justice for Benjamin mendy whose career was almost ruined by false accusations, and seek that those girls go to jail for slander and damages?
@@kelvinosas6518Found the Incel🤣 the rate of false accusations of rape and domestic abuse are nothing compared to those that are true, quit trying to use one person being the victim of false accusations to defend someone who has an abundance of evidence proving he did it
Online fans aren’t the smartest, even mention the words stockholm syndrome to them and they’ve never heard of it or just straight up ignore it. disgusting.
@@juxidy just to back you up against this sad incel: rates of false accusation of rape vary between 2% and 10%, often settling around 6% (there is a video on the CZcams Channel Knowing Better which is fairly decent), which is about the same rate of a false accusation for any other crime. On top of that, men are more likely to be victims of a rape than be falsely accused of rape.
Victims of domestic abuse often go back to the abuser. Doesn’t mean shit really. He’s still a POS and nothing will change that:
@@wrigh2uk most of us are literally pieces of shit, else the divorce rate won't be up there, we haven't just been found out yet, everyone seems virtuous on social media
Whole thing seemed fishy tbh. Idk bout there personal life but they both seemed as strange as each other in videos they posted on social media.
Rio's response was disgusting
I think people kinda underestimate the gravity of Greenwoods actions , as men specificly we look at hitting someone with the question of " how hard " instead of "why" , i trully believe that people are bigger than their mistakes when they go through the rough road of redeeming themselves without just running away from them . People think " oh he didnt hit her that hard its ok time has passed now " instead of " ye the kid acted stupid but he can be trully forgiven " and he hasnt showed anything about owning up that mistake , his girlfriend may have forgiven him because she knows stuff we dont but also because for her those actions are " worth" the love but thats a personal thing for everyone.
This is an embodiment of everything that’s wrong with the world. A famous, home-grown talent has abused, beaten and exploited a woman, regardless of her returning to him that fact is indisputable, and yet people want him back. If this happened at Spurs, such as Bissouma being charged with rape, I would want them out at all costs. How man United fans want him back, despite the female fans, players, employees etc is a joke and is honestly why, despite how much I love this game, I’m slowly falling out of love with football.
Footballers like celebrities are untouchables. It's like watching an episode of the boys.
getafe literally call him their starboy, its insane
Mayoral>>>
If i was a professional player and my team said that greenwood is a starboy i would have put in a transfer request
Continue crying
While I agree, you have a the life of pablo print out on your wall. That’s the equivalent of having a greenwood jersey on there.
Rape allegations are of the highest degree of filth and degeneracy but so is nazi sympathisesm and like you said peddling that awful behaviour to young fans and malleable minds who will blindly support it is an added layer of horror
You're the only person who properly talks about this situation, rationally, instead of ducking it. Props.
A respectable man indeed. Very.
Adam Johnson vs Mason Greenwood is the real GOAT convo
A scary thing is the ammount of his fans who say he was found innocent which is scarily wrong.
The case was dropped as the investigation was on going and he broke his parol conditions as he contacted his victim during the investigation which followed her shortly after dropping the case.
He wasnt found innocent and he broke parol he is guilty of that and the rape as the evidence is clear especially as the courts verified the audio.
I am not English, but I have noticed a lot of non English fans supporting Greenwood, because what he does is more accepted where they come from. I wonder what matters the most: the opinion of foreign fans, or those of the people who made the club and whom the club are supposed to represent.
In Argentina we have seen several players be involved with domestic abbuse, a group associated with sexual assault. The result being that the club descended their contracts, and they become untouchable in Argentina
Greenwood was welcomed lovingly in Spain. If Greenwood plays in England the opposition fans will chant "she said no mason, she said no"
As a bystander on this, the thing is, when it comes to the finances issues he is still an asset to the team(company) which is still usable as the legal charges where dropped, especially when selling a homegrown player sits so well with the FFP so as far as the club go i personally don't really anything wrong with the way they're handling it
On the other hand it as we see in so many other issues, the morality debate often is redundant as morality itself is subjective from person to person with different factors and nuances there
Only time will tell if he's another monster who got away with this because of money and status, or a just another young lad who had a serious private mistake publicized and scandalized
If he plays in England, there will be so much abuse to him in the grounds
I can just imagine the chants 😂😂
He can’t say he’s changed because then he’s admitting to his crimes. And I’m 100% not saying I support him
Exactly. "Sorry" in this case is actually the hardest word to say.
Spot on, in his statement after the charges were dropped he apologized, but if he was innocent like what these “fans” say then what does he have to apologize for?
He can still address and he has to address the allegations
2:47 Rather than "Do you want him anywhere near your club?" Ask yourself "Do you want him anywhere near your sister?"
I hate these United fans that keep trying to protect him. They are a small minority, but they are so loud and annoying that it’s making us look bad as a fan base.
People need to remember he wasnt 'not guilty', a key witness withdrew her testimony so the charges were dropped! I agree Vizeh, man has no place near football at all..
Didn't burnley fans have a racist flag flown over there stadium not so long ago?? why should their fans not be banned from the premier league?? There's also the fact that Greenwood is still side-lined at man utd shows he didn't just get away with his actions.. he'll never play for man utd again.. nor in the prem.. and also will never be seen in the same light again. This all said there is players that are still playing that caused deaths but still have careers. What punishment would you suggest on him, considering all charges we're dropped and him and his missus now have a kid and living their lives? Just to be clear I'm not defending him, he probably should of seen bars for a few months at least, but to say he's not entitled to a career is overkill and a bit of a witch hunt
Whataboutery and false equivalence followed by a false punishment and speculation then some word salad disclaimer to preface your stupid statement "just to be clear I'm not defending him" right after you defend him
Embarrassment you are
Any normal guy getting accused of domestic abuse, rape and threats to kill, even if not charged or tried will lose their job, career, family, entire life. Greenwood was charged with these crimes and there is proof for all to see. It is not "overkill" to deny him of a glamorous career in top flight football, you're just a rape apologist
Theres nothing he can do to convince you, no that you matter. But he doesnt need to because he has the same rights as you and everyone else.
Thomas Tuchel wanted to bring Jerome Boateng back to Bayern Munich. It went as close to Boateng training at Munich for a short time.
However, there were allegations of domestic abuse (his ex commited suicide, btw). Club officials reasoned that the case was a "private matter." The next match, the ultras brought a banner saying "Abuse is not a private matter!" and the deal was cancelled.
This feels like the most grass is green take of all time, but then again, there is a reason we're all here, isn't it
interesting vizeh ignores cristiano ronaldo but targets greenwood lol
His club got relegated and only 1 video in 6 months
He has all this energy for other clubs and players but not for his own team
Very extreme to say that he should not be anywhere near a professional setting. Isolation is not rehabilitation. Also his wife and kid will need someone to provide for them. Why take that away from such a young man. Rightly so he has paid a price and will continue to for the rest of his life. But I think it’s way too extreme to say he should never be able to earn a living off his god given talents when he will ultimately be the sole provider for his family.
Also if you are making any money off any video that talks about him and his wife and family, then you are a complete hypocrite. If not then carry on.
We can talk about rehabilitation after a fair punishment. I agree with Vizeh, he really shouldn't be playing at this level. We as a society generally should discourage this kind of behavior even if it means that he can't do his job anymore. It is also primarily his responsibility to care of his family and what he did was far from it. Caring for ones family just cannot be a good argument for a lack of punishment. We couldn't put a lot of people in jail if it was a legitimate argument. Especially in Greenwoods case the family argument is silly to me, he himself abused a close family member he was supposed to take care of.
@@reinrassigerStuhl I agree punishment is a necessary deterrent, and having money or talent shouldn’t exclude you from paying the price. And just to clarify I am not saying he shouldn’t be punished. Like I said, he has rightly continued to pay the price. I’m a United supporter and I don’t want him anywhere near the club - that privilege is gone. But he should be able to earn a living playing football while paying the price. E.g. either to compensate his family, or engage in some kind of rehabilitation process for the community. Either way this is not just about him, as his own wife is the victim here. Ostracising MG from society will also affect his wife and child - his wife is the one who dropped the charges for reasons only she knows. They should not have to pay the price for his abhorrent behaviour - by virtue of sticking by him. Completely removing him from society just to satiate the internet’s lust for punishment is stupid imo. It’s a complex issue that requires a better solution than punishing for the sake of it.
It’s very simple. He wasn’t convicted in a court of law of any crime. Therefore he is entitled to live his life as he pleases.
If we’re judging him based solely on videos we’ve seen online, then we’re asking for a society that’s ruled via trial by social media. Be careful what you wish for.
Your logic is flawed and ignores a lot of things. Yes he is entitled to live his life how he pleases, but that does not mean he is entitled to play high level football or be a prominent public figure. You’re right he wasnt convicted and thus is free from legal consequence, but not from social consequences. The same way he can do what he wants, I (and many many others) are entitled to dislike him and not want him anywhere near the game.
This “be careful what you ask for” and “judged by social media” argument is and always has been ridiculous sliding slope fear mongering tactic. Social media is not the government and it is not the court system. If the courts and judges were holding trials based on random Twitter posts and videos that may or may not have his voice(which he’s never denied and imo it clearly is him) that would be a problem but that’s not what’s happening here and never was. What’s happening here is greenwood is being judged by the public and people have been being judged by public opinion since the dawn of time and while we may not always like the results it’s natural and there’s nothing inherently wrong with it. It’s been the same since caveman times, if you do a bad thing the group will judge it and may change the way the interact with you because of it. In the eyes of many people greenwood has been judged to have done a bad thing, as a result they no longer want him to play at a high level, let alone at what is supposed to be one of the most prestigious and respectful clubs in the world.
@ttm9227 if a benzema can have a career as a convicted criminal then Mason can too who by the way all accusations were dismissed
Any person in a regular job gets accused of such crimes (even getting accused of crimes much lesser) they get let go of from their job immediately and will never find a new one. In football you get rewarded with playtime.
And on top of that, you're also practically loaded with money and still getting paid even after not playing a football game.
Well that's the thing, football isn't a regular job. Got rewarded with playtime? He got suspended for almost 2 years, the girl has already had a child with him in that time. I think the public should already move on from this discussion, we don't have a say in this and we certainly shouldn't.
@@emmanuellalfakzuala252 except we do have a say it's public information with the audio and visual footage. Idk what's wrong with you we live in a free speech society we can say what we like about we see and the only one who doesn't have any say is you telling others how they can feel or whether they can have an opinion on Greenwood's crimes
@@shujaman7868I never said you shouldn't give our opinions now did I? We have a say? Oh hell no we don't, these people have nothing to do with us, the public is not the law, saying Greenwood's crimes as if he committed multiple atrocities😂 it's actually funny how you put it
Go to court if it bans your belly if you don't have evidence then he should be on the pitch
100% agree with you, if someones sister was abused they'd want the abuser to be in jail, but because the man can play football really good they'll let it slide. People lack empathy.
The girl whom u claim u want to see him in jail for has forgiven him, let go, and even got pregnant for him, why are u all tearing g-strings on this issue? Becos u have seen an easy target to pound like a side of beef? Why are u crying more than the bereaved? Funny!
i've learnt a long time ago that your business is truly yours , we all care in public but never lose sleep over other peoples problems . We truly cant be mad on behalf of strangers . His acts were shocking but it aint my business .
A close family friend of mine was recently a victim of domestic abuse that escalated to a point where her husband lashed out and abused her to where she was within an inch of her life. Thankfully by some miracle of God she is alive and with us and recovering, but despite this she persisted to ease up on the charges against her abuser. I don’t know if greenwood’s partner is also dealing with stockholm syndrome or if he really has changed, but there has been no proof, no explanation from mason for the audio or videos, all that’s happened is he’s shoved it under the rug and ignored this and fans somehow still go to lengths to defend him and welcome him with open arms back into football with zero repercussions or consideration for fans , women’s teams, etc. and it’s disgusting.
He was found not guilty, for whatever reason, his gf dropped the charges and had a kid with him. Idk what’s going on in his personal life, but he is 100% entitled to his contract and Man Utd will not risk the legal action by cancelling his contract.
The fact this is a debate terrifies me
The fact that he still gets support off people after the evidence shown is absolutely disgusting. It shows how football isn’t a people’s sport anymore it’s just a business
This should be an open or shut case, imagine of Harriet Robson was your aunt or sister. If Maddison, Son, Sarr, Romero etc from my favourite team spurs was in this position i would want them gone in a heartbeat.
As a Marseille fan, I'm soooo not in favor of him joining but the state of our club makes it that some fans would like to see him because he's a good talent.
He'll probably be a replacement of illiman
@@jimbob06 another dumb decision btw, getting rid of a young player without giving a fair opportunity and not making benefit from the transfer
@@KEVIN-vd3qe as a sheff Utd fan, it's so depressing seeing that season he just had
@@jimbob06 yeah, he never played in his right position at the beginning and the club was way too unstable for him to grow, but instead of giving him a chance, they just sell him...
I remember burnley had a racist flag but nothing happened no one up in arms you guys act like you're perfect
As a father myself and a united fan for the past 20+ years I do want this man anywhere this amazing club and anyone who supports him needs to have a think to themselves: "What if it was my daughter/sister/niece/granddaughter"
As a woman whos been a long time fan of the club I wish they would have just gotten rid of him when it all came to light, there was no need to muddy the club with this for so long
The fact his partner forgave him doesn’t excuse his behaviour. It’s even worse that he has shown no contrition whatsoever, it speaks volumes about his character. He should have been released and sent on compulsory rehabilitation.
I find it crazy that Utd players that have had a case or are being investigated for such a case like Mason and Antony are treated way better by sections of the online Utd fanbase compared to someone like Sancho who had a bust up with the manager. It's fucking wild to me. I'd literally release Mason ASAP and Antony too if the investigation concludes that he has a case, compared to these two, Sancho is a way better human being in my opinion.
You’re clutching at straws. The majority of the fan base can’t stand Antony. Don’t spread your agendas
@@moark Where did you get the word "Majority" from? I used the word " section" which doesn't describe actual size so the one with an agenda is you...
@@marcusnguginganga2829 you wrote out a whole paragraph so spread your agenda clutching at words now you’re too easy
@@moarkStill don't know what agenda you speak of
All you have to do is look at how the womens team is being treated at United, getting kicked out of their training facilities for make shift portable changing rooms, lack of invest, every major player is leaving, its obvious Manchester United don't care about women.
Some countries do not take sexual assault as seriously as others
In those countries he tends to get support, often because of the reasons he can’t come back they see him as the victim
That is what’s happening, I’m a United fan, wouldn’t have him back in a million years
Naa I’m not condoning anything greenwood did but the lad deserves a chance to grow he was just a kid when it happened give him a chance
As a father, it pains me to see this all happening. Its so depressingly sad. Her family have failed to protect her and the clubs involved are more then culpable in this
Stopping kids from saying first 😊😊 nice work as usual
He's getting linked a lot with my club and our public reputation was already bad enough
Money talks, as always it seems and a club will always be desperate enough
What club?
@@Casian291 Olympique Marseille
@@Casian291probably Juventus
With literal evidence for the whole world to see, it is the biggest middle finger to all SA survivors with Greenwood still being able to live his life with no consequences. Unbelievable.
Think it’s got the point where this issue is becoming kinda hipster driven.
Just some food for thought here.
Football is his profession. He has every right to pursue it. Many CONVICTED criminals are able to continue in the employment once time has been served.
understanding that everyone looking in has a right to add their own personal feeling to situations that don’t concern them…..for fucks sake just don’t, the amount of survivors coming out voicing opinions is flipping unreal.
Comparisons to other situations such Adam Johnson at 28 soliciting a child of 15 take things into completely different places and grant unwarranted diatribes. Greenwood and his partner were KIDS in a very toxic relationship. End of. Yeah we can all have a view on what we heard and pictures seen, personally it was very uncomfortable. However there have been many people who have been accused and some convicted of far worse but it was never seen or heard. That is what’s at the heart of this….the knowing!
He don’t owe us anything
We don’t need explanations or proof from him of any kind of change.
All we should all really want is for it to not happen again. Since it happened there have been no reports has harmed her of anyone else. That should be enough!
Let’s all just let it go now.
Thogden once went to a Getafe game in one of his videos(the game vs Atletico Madrid) and asked Getafe fans about Greenwood, they didn't know the dark story behind him😢😢 And the fans actually liked him😢😢
its crazy seeing my fellow Africans seemingly ready to die for a man that is a certified rapist.
especially when we come from a place where violence against women is taken so lightly.
they understand how awful it is when our mothers, sisters, friends, etc are victims of it while the authorities do little to nothing to bring justice yet they easily go online saying stuff like "we all make mistakes" or "well, maybe she did something to piss him off".
it makes me seethe so much man.
The boy was 19 and still growing and maturing. I’m not saying he wasn’t bad in those moments but he was 19 . You should not hold that again him forever. People do change and realise there mistakes .
Doubt mason has a choice abt talking abt the situation at all tbh probably tied down by some NDA sure he would talk abt it if he could i remember him and murtough did release a statement one after another near the end of last summer transfer window pre sure when it was confirmed he was leaving whether it was loan/permanent move
must have faith in the justice system. if the system let him go then so be it. punishing him is like punishing his partner n child, the victims here cos he is the breadwinner now. blame the system not the man.
I saw him today on Career Mode, forgot about him until then.
I really don't want him to come back.
He can't really come back. If he did, he'll get destroyed by the English fans. Remember Zouma and the cat incident? Greenwood would get the same treatment just a 100x worse.
I think it's just Man United trying to pass of that they're not desperate to sell him, trying to milk as much cash from a possible deal for him. Can't see him playing in England again.
That’s what gives me hope that INEOS won’t even consider bringing him back, they’re already under massive scrutiny they don’t need to piss off majority of the fanbase, lose sponsors, pile on abuse, etc by bringing mason back.
So a young man who clearly made a massive disgusting mistake should never be given a second chance? So young people cant learn from mistakes and get better as a human being? Nobody is telling you to support the guy or buy his shirt. But to act like he shouldn't be allowed to make a living and continue his career is completely ridiculous.
I'll ask Vezah a question(let's see if he responds to this one)....What exactly do you want to happen to him? What does he owe YOU in order to be deemed "worthy" enough to play top level football?
Nothing. He doesn’t deserve top football, he doesn’t deserve to be watched and supported by millions of fans
He isn’t a boy who made a mistake, he was a young man who tried to hurt a young, defenceless woman for his own sick desires
He was responsible enough to earn millions a year, he was responsible enough to represent arguably the most known club in world football but to you he isn’t responsible enough to know when to keep his hands off a woman?
His “second chance” is the fact that he isn’t rotting behind bars right now, his “second chance” is a second chance at life he doesn’t deserve the privilege of being a professional footballer
He has had chances the Iceland incident turning up training late constantly ole even said his attuide was poor
Personally I very much agree, he should be nowhere near a professional football pitch. Only reason i've heard from people wanting him to stay is because he's a good footballer. BEING A GOOD FOOTBALLER DOES NOT MEAN YOURE A GOOD PERSON. To those people I say, get some morals.
The sad truth is if this guy was average in quality, he would have been released the same day the evidence came out. He shouldn't be anywhere near professional football
You are the sort of dad every girl should have 😊 you’ve hit the nail on the head with this video
There are plenty of people who work hard, idc if he’s worked hard for where he is, he isn’t the only one, he threw his own career
I don’t want him near united
If he had half the talent he has for football Manchester United would have cancelled his contract instantly. The fact they are trying to profit off him is also disgusting
Also not just the audio but the fact he apologized for it. That's as concrete as it gets!
The plural of woman is still women …..
there were some rumors that barcelona were considering signing him earlier this year. I was afraid they would because I don’t think i would be able to continue supporting the club if they signed a person with such history.
1:38 not disputing the audio but AI isn’t new
1. AI is not that good.
2. There is plenty of technology readily available that can determine the authenticity of audio.
I almost know for a fact the "hE's CoMiNg BaCk To MaN U" shit is because he HAS to return to Man United after his loan ends. He'll never wear a man united shirt again, and that's a given
Manchester United has proposed moving the men's team into the women's training facilities while the women relocate to Porta cabins elsewhere. Can you imagine being a female Manchester United player and having to give up your training facilities for Greenwood?
The audio should have been enough evidence. I also remember a video of him calling himself "daddy" to her which screams that he's an absolute wrong'un
Give him second chance to redeem himself
Apparently Sir Jim has given the green light to the departure of Greenwood and Sancho "for the right price". (source: All Football)
Ok but I don't understand
She has his child now she's still with him the case was dropped
I haven't heard the audios so I can't say anything about it until I find them
But this whole situation is weird
And I think most united fans are acting like you would with your brother or your son if he did the same thing because they've seen this guy grow up right in front of them
And when we have a emotional connection with someone we tend to ignore the bad in them
Vizeh you missed something about the board.. keeping him to generate cash as we are struggling with it, and he is a sellable asset as his transfer fee is 100% profit for us
I wasnt aware that people want him back, after hearing this i am shocked, absolutely mental.
@vizeh Honest questions here and I would love you to answer honestly? What should he do to make amends? Should one action as a teenager define the rest of your life? What punishment is acceptable that wouldn't hurt his spouse and kid? Do you believe in 2nd chances?
How’s Greenwood the elephant in the room
Ridiculous reaching
He’s not THE elephant per say but definitely a hot topic now that the transfer window is open
@@isaaccc726 to not make the elephant in the room stand out all too much, fill the room with some other wild animals
How can I find these audios and videos ? I want to hear them myself before coming to a conclusion
I am a United fan and it’s a really tricky situation, more so than you put it. Morally speaking, it’s probably best he leaves man United. The smoke won’t go even as time has went on.
I’m most surprised how there’s not been a statement from Greenwood to explain himself and have his missus explain her side of the story to clarify things. Because let’s say (against the popular belief) that he may be now a changed man and the woman truly forgives him and it’s not just some trauma response; he’d want to alleviate the negativity surrounding his name. The silence from him confirms people’s feelings of him. Though perhaps maybe the reason why he hasn’t is because he believes it won’t make a difference and that it’s far too gone to make any redemption with the public and that may be true
Such humanisation for someone so vile
Love your channel. Hope you finish the year with many more subscribers
Cheers mate
I totally agree with all you said here. Te banco toda en esta, Vizeh.
I really want him to never play again in a professional level. What a scum of person.
Many football fans don't care about moral. For example, some Spartak Moscow fans still want Quincy Promes back in the club despite he did not only the same what Greenwood did but more. Hitting a relative with a knife, driving problems and focking narco trafficking. So I see no strange in this situation where MU fans don't want to remove him from club for "only" some domestic violence. Horrendous situation honestly
It's mad that the only reason Greenwood isn't at Man U and will never play for them again is because of the Man U womens team. Man U were looking at how they could keep him until the womens team stood up and said no way.
Well if you dont know how Greenwood performed, he did great at Getafe
Saying he will never be a good player is kinda wild
And winning matters more than morals in professional sport.
So we are still going to hold him for something his girlfriend forgived him
You didn't watch this video did you mate
@@user-bz6zy5xy6f I did men
It is really sad what parts of our society are willing to forgive.
If the Glazers were still the only ones in charge, I would say they are spineless enough to invite him back. However I think the new staff brought in by Ineos don't like the idea.
Let's hope so anyway, as a United fan, I don't want any abusers in my team, the audio paints a horrible picture.
We man Utd fans will stop supporting then until Greenwood gets sold
I honestly haven't heard of anything regarding Greenwood and his charges before this video so I'm a little bit condused now tbh. What exactly happened?