one bit to the Urbie k9, it is fairly cheap for a hero mech, can be purchased from the beginning and is a source for dhs and Uac5 before they are a thing. So Buy dismantle sell.
If and when you do mediums, the BLJ-A The Arrow, with six machine guns, deletes even assault mechs incredibly fast. Nothing funnier than ripping Comstar assault lances to shreds with six machine guns.
I keep seeing people swear by machine gun spam but to me it's not that amazing? It's alright but I have to be up in their face and time to kill isn't like spectacular so I always end up trading more damage than I would like compare to other weapon setups I employ.
I agree the hero blackjack with high tier machine guns and no jump engines so you can have more armour is awesome...for those who don't like the short range of the mg...remember let your lance mates start the fight, run round behind the target and delete them in seconds..I always get this mech on my playthroughs and now with solaris arena fights it really pays for itself :-)
The Javelins are bloody God-tier for your AI crew. Never again lose precious C-Bills having to replace weapons because of the AI as they have no arm-mounted weaponry. Whether its the M-Laser or SRM version, they also do very good damage. Plus… that goddamn swagger they have when running around the warzone makes them an absolute delight to watch. 😅
People should also keep in mind, these are just stock loadouts, which you're virtually never going to keep intact. And unfortunately MW5 has a bizarre system where hardpoints have "sizes". A lot of builds are just impossible.
MW5 is unplayable without mods, particularly Yet Another Mech Lab(known in the community as YAML), which adds MWO style modifications, removing hardpoint sizes, adding engines. If you like the MWO-style mech lab, you need to grab YAML for MW5.
@Shadowburn2 do any of the dlcs fix this for console players. I've got the heroes one already. This game is so addictive I was thrown off by early reviews even though I loved mw2 and mw2 back in the day. Which I had a gaming pc rig. Never wanted to play mods so much in my life lol. Also does anyone play this for the story/read all the news lore
I remember having a lot of fun with 8 flamers on the firestarter A. Then again, I only ever started using light mechs just to rush down those damn artillery positions on most maps ._.
This might have been patched by now I remember hearing that flamers were incredibly OP compared to how they are in other games where they verge on totally useless.
Note the SDR-5D can fit a Large Laser, with difficulty. I suck piloting Spiders myself, but I found if I equip one with jump jet upgrades, AI pilots with good Maneuvering levels can be quite effective with them.
As a light mech enthusiast I disagree about half of your choices, especially on the large energy hardpoint ones, thanks to the addition of PPC-X these bad boys can do some serious work, in fact I've done full campaign runs with 4 lights and 1 ppc x and we never even lost the weapon let alone the fight, I'd put them in high A tier maybe S. Also since you don't have mods, you don't know which mechs come with endo steel or xl engines etc.
In the early game, I love getting one or two Fleas to replace Locusts. I put SB Lasers on and the AI works well with them. Getting your pilots over 2 in Maneuvering helps a ton.
I just spent two days binging Mechwarrior content to get some context of what you're saying. And I've decided that, when I install the game later this week, I'll just use your tierlist as a keep/sell checklist. :v
"An S tier light isn't going to be able to kill an assault". I haven't played since kestrel lancers so I dunno if it got nerfed but firestarter was my dedicated anti assault mech. I literally went through the entire lancer campaign piloting the firestarter
Aside from hardpoints, which I think are only really important if you plan on piloting the mech yourself, speed and profile have a huge impact on how often you get hit. Where the Locust is usually fast enough to avoid being targeted the Flea and Commando get hit a lot more often. I switched my Jenner with a Panther for arena missions and the Panther gets chewed up a lot more. The arena missions change things for lights. Flamers have the shortest range but deal good dmage and seem to be pretty good at causing your targets to shut down. MGs in large numbers deal silly amounts of damage but also have very short range. Try going into arena missions with tricked out Firestarters. In addition the EMC Firestarters are straight upgrades to the 9A. A good AMS will eat SRMs and the black market EMS significantly reduces enemy accuracy.
With the "new" Solaris Arena missions this is especially useful. i love "4 vs 4" light and "team" light mech missions. But i have to disagree with the Panther sorting. midgame you dont field light mechs at all (aside from Arena fights) but early game Panther 9R is my light mech and tank killer. A Tier if not S Tier. Ravens are a thing? By the time i see one in a run, i am already in late mid game to early late game. which means the only use for them would be in arena fights... and there they look like locust replacement at best. But looks like i should give the Solaris Urbi a try and the wolfhound when i see them in my current run. You have a short vid for Vanilla light mech lances for the arena? what would you field, what mech would you personally control and what mechs work best in the hands of the AI?
I know it’s a lot of work, but I actually liked this a lot. I like different stuff than you, but I find this an interesting challenge to my own opinions of each of these Mechs :)
I just found your Tier List videos and they're really useful. Cheers TTB. Not happy that you kicked our arses in the last comp though... Mercu [Redcoats Expendables]
I've recently started playing the game and found this video (and comments) extremely helpful. Are you planning on doing another video covering Medium, Heavy.. etc?
i think the light mechs are there as specialists. in normal fights they suck, but you only use them for certain stuff. i use the firestarters in missions, where i can destroy buildings artillery and stuff very fast to reduce damage done to my lance. so in this the machine guns are ok. i used it for the mission, where you get the hero king crab for example, because in any slower mechs my lance took too much damage before the artillery fire stopped and you could actually reduce the enemy numbers.
"S tier light will die to any tier assault" good for a chuckle but cant help but stare at MWO and watch assault players get bullied by lights on a daily
Flea fan here! Besides the early lore variants ( * cough * F-4 ) its a menace! Its the bit slower but more firepowered cousin of the Locust which I also love. Raven and Firestarter are my 3rd and 4th chouce😁
Nope that FS9-X1 is much better than that. It doesn't have to be 8MGs, I play it 6MGs, 2Light rifles. Works great. Almost no heat buildup, very sufficient firepower and it's faster than any other FS9. Its on par with A variant if not better.
I expected TTB to put all light mechs in F-tier.
I giggled
💯
one bit to the Urbie k9, it is fairly cheap for a hero mech, can be purchased from the beginning and is a source for dhs and Uac5 before they are a thing. So Buy dismantle sell.
If and when you do mediums, the BLJ-A The Arrow, with six machine guns, deletes even assault mechs incredibly fast. Nothing funnier than ripping Comstar assault lances to shreds with six machine guns.
CN9-D is completely over powered also.
Dervish 7D is great, but Vulcan takes the spot for my favorite medium mech
I keep seeing people swear by machine gun spam but to me it's not that amazing? It's alright but I have to be up in their face and time to kill isn't like spectacular so I always end up trading more damage than I would like compare to other weapon setups I employ.
I agree the hero blackjack with high tier machine guns and no jump engines so you can have more armour is awesome...for those who don't like the short range of the mg...remember let your lance mates start the fight, run round behind the target and delete them in seconds..I always get this mech on my playthroughs and now with solaris arena fights it really pays for itself :-)
The Javelins are bloody God-tier for your AI crew. Never again lose precious C-Bills having to replace weapons because of the AI as they have no arm-mounted weaponry. Whether its the M-Laser or SRM version, they also do very good damage.
Plus… that goddamn swagger they have when running around the warzone makes them an absolute delight to watch. 😅
After 5 mins I realized that's mw5 not mwo 😅
What's better?
People should also keep in mind, these are just stock loadouts, which you're virtually never going to keep intact.
And unfortunately MW5 has a bizarre system where hardpoints have "sizes". A lot of builds are just impossible.
MW5 is unplayable without mods, particularly Yet Another Mech Lab(known in the community as YAML), which adds MWO style modifications, removing hardpoint sizes, adding engines. If you like the MWO-style mech lab, you need to grab YAML for MW5.
@@Shadowburn2 This. Vanilla MW5 is unplayable to me, I will literally not play it whenever an update breaks the mods.
@Shadowburn2 do any of the dlcs fix this for console players. I've got the heroes one already. This game is so addictive I was thrown off by early reviews even though I loved mw2 and mw2 back in the day. Which I had a gaming pc rig. Never wanted to play mods so much in my life lol. Also does anyone play this for the story/read all the news lore
I remember having a lot of fun with 8 flamers on the firestarter A.
Then again, I only ever started using light mechs just to rush down those damn artillery positions on most maps ._.
This might have been patched by now I remember hearing that flamers were incredibly OP compared to how they are in other games where they verge on totally useless.
@@stormthrush37 I think they still are OP
been using the Spider -A hero on infiltration, it actually is pretty useful there (speed, jumpy, etc)
Note the SDR-5D can fit a Large Laser, with difficulty. I suck piloting Spiders myself, but I found if I equip one with jump jet upgrades, AI pilots with good Maneuvering levels can be quite effective with them.
As a light mech enthusiast I disagree about half of your choices, especially on the large energy hardpoint ones, thanks to the addition of PPC-X these bad boys can do some serious work, in fact I've done full campaign runs with 4 lights and 1 ppc x and we never even lost the weapon let alone the fight, I'd put them in high A tier maybe S. Also since you don't have mods, you don't know which mechs come with endo steel or xl engines etc.
In the early game, I love getting one or two Fleas to replace Locusts. I put SB Lasers on and the AI works well with them. Getting your pilots over 2 in Maneuvering helps a ton.
FSR-FS deletes mediums and heavies fast as heck while strafing. It deserves S-tier.
For the Jenners, I like to run 4xML (SB work better if I have them), 1xSRM2, 1 Heat Sink, and a 1/2 Ton SRM Ammo. With one SRM2, a half ton is plenty.
I just spent two days binging Mechwarrior content to get some context of what you're saying.
And I've decided that, when I install the game later this week, I'll just use your tierlist as a keep/sell checklist. :v
You can always hop into the livestream to ask questions!
"An S tier light isn't going to be able to kill an assault". I haven't played since kestrel lancers so I dunno if it got nerfed but firestarter was my dedicated anti assault mech. I literally went through the entire lancer campaign piloting the firestarter
Aside from hardpoints, which I think are only really important if you plan on piloting the mech yourself, speed and profile have a huge impact on how often you get hit. Where the Locust is usually fast enough to avoid being targeted the Flea and Commando get hit a lot more often. I switched my Jenner with a Panther for arena missions and the Panther gets chewed up a lot more.
The arena missions change things for lights. Flamers have the shortest range but deal good dmage and seem to be pretty good at causing your targets to shut down. MGs in large numbers deal silly amounts of damage but also have very short range. Try going into arena missions with tricked out Firestarters. In addition the EMC Firestarters are straight upgrades to the 9A. A good AMS will eat SRMs and the black market EMS significantly reduces enemy accuracy.
Well thanks TTB, very useful when we kick off our campaign co-op play. Take notes Verradin XD
With the "new" Solaris Arena missions this is especially useful. i love "4 vs 4" light and "team" light mech missions.
But i have to disagree with the Panther sorting. midgame you dont field light mechs at all (aside from Arena fights) but early game Panther 9R is my light mech and tank killer. A Tier if not S Tier.
Ravens are a thing? By the time i see one in a run, i am already in late mid game to early late game. which means the only use for them would be in arena fights... and there they look like locust replacement at best.
But looks like i should give the Solaris Urbi a try and the wolfhound when i see them in my current run.
You have a short vid for Vanilla light mech lances for the arena? what would you field, what mech would you personally control and what mechs work best in the hands of the AI?
do you will bring for every class a tier list? would be great!
I know it’s a lot of work, but I actually liked this a lot. I like different stuff than you, but I find this an interesting challenge to my own opinions of each of these Mechs :)
these lights with lots of hardpoints and short ranged weapons remind me of that monke from simpsons with the knife on drugs.
I just found your Tier List videos and they're really useful. Cheers TTB. Not happy that you kicked our arses in the last comp though... Mercu [Redcoats Expendables]
I apologize for nothing! Also, ggs :)
I've recently started playing the game and found this video (and comments) extremely helpful. Are you planning on doing another video covering Medium, Heavy.. etc?
Yes, I've just been inexcusably lazy. It's a lot of work fiddling in all the pictures and designations. But thanks for the reminder :)
@@TTBprime I look forward to watching them. I'm a massive procrastinator as well. I get it. 🙃
The k9 urbie is great I promise A or B for that lil badass
i think the light mechs are there as specialists. in normal fights they suck, but you only use them for certain stuff.
i use the firestarters in missions, where i can destroy buildings artillery and stuff very fast to reduce damage done to my lance. so in this the machine guns are ok.
i used it for the mission, where you get the hero king crab for example, because in any slower mechs my lance took too much damage before the artillery fire stopped and you could actually reduce the enemy numbers.
"S tier light will die to any tier assault" good for a chuckle but cant help but stare at MWO and watch assault players get bullied by lights on a daily
they need to add a stat called "evasion" like in stellaris to light mechs, makes the enemy miss you
Flea fan here! Besides the early lore variants ( * cough * F-4 ) its a menace! Its the bit slower but more firepowered cousin of the Locust which I also love. Raven and Firestarter are my 3rd and 4th chouce😁
Should do this for online
Flamers in mw5 are very, very strong. Legit cooks the mech. I ran 9 flamers on a hunchback 4P and it just kills things.
I will never forgive you for not putting my beloved hero raven in s tier
Woah woah woah the delta commando in garbage tier? Place a B laser on that thing.
Don't know why you hate MGs. They are pretty good against mech backs. Cut armor and crit everything inside from behind.
Nope that FS9-X1 is much better than that. It doesn't have to be 8MGs, I play it 6MGs, 2Light rifles. Works great. Almost no heat buildup, very sufficient firepower and it's faster than any other FS9. Its on par with A variant if not better.
Вспомнил как выглядит MW5 vanilla - аж плакать захотелось... Без YAML, YAW e t.c. Mechlab лысый абсолютно...😒
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your missing a lot of light mechs here or are these just the lowest of the lows
Why are you explaining what tierlists in 2024?????????????
Because a lot of people don't understand how they work, and because it's good practice to explain your ranking criteria.
Not sure he plays light mechs much..cause he does not know what he is doing
first!