What Happens if you Renounce Your Citizenship But Don't Belong to Another Country When You Do It?

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    It turns out, renouncing your citizenship to a given nation is generally a fairly simple affair in many nations of the world. It doesn’t even usually cost that much. For example, in the UK- fittingly for a country stereotypical known for its aversion to social conflict- renouncing citizenship can be done by mail and costs a mere £272.
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  • @ericlanglois9194
    @ericlanglois9194 Před 5 lety +2478

    On January 19, 1943, the dutch Crown Princess Juliana gave birth to Princess Margriet in a hospital in Canada's capital city, Ottawa. In Canada, citizenship is given to anyone born on Canadian soil, however back then, the children of Dutch citizens couldn't get Dutch citizenship if they were born in foreign lands. Without Dutch citizenship, Princess Margriet would have lost her place in the line of succession to the throne. In order to remedy this situation, the Canadian federal government declared the maternity ward of that hospital to be temporarily "International Territory", thus negating the Canadian citizenship she would have gotten and using a loophole in the Dutch laws since she wasn't technically born in a foreign country.

    • @mentallydisturbedscience8900
      @mentallydisturbedscience8900 Před 5 lety +175

      That's interesting. I wonder why her mother would have been traveling so close to her due date knowing about that law?

    • @waahmed7830
      @waahmed7830 Před 5 lety +456

      @@mentallydisturbedscience8900 It was WWII they moved to canada to escape the war since the Netherlands was occupied by the Nazis they didnt move by choice

    • @Aipe97
      @Aipe97 Před 5 lety +92

      @@mentallydisturbedscience8900 I was about to ask the same, but then I remembered that in 1943 WW2 was still going pretty strong.

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 Před 5 lety +104

      So basically canada had to cover the queen of the netherlands ass for their own up-their-own-ass law.

    • @australo88
      @australo88 Před 5 lety +302

      No, Canada did it as a favor for the Dutch. The British basically kidnapped the Queen and some of the rest of the royal family to get them out before the Germans could get them (the Brit soldiers also were tasked with taking as much gold and diamonds as they could as well). The Queen stayed in England and Juliana was shipped off to Canada. As a thank you for saving Princess Marg's citizenship, after the war the royal family sent 100,000 tulip bulbs as a thank you to Canada (+10,000 more every year after). Ottawa has a huge tulip festival every year and is a major tourist draw.

  • @Ana-ng1xk
    @Ana-ng1xk Před 5 lety +770

    "Oh you no longer want to be a member of our nation? Well, ummm, give us money first or we won't let you."

    • @realDarkPeterson
      @realDarkPeterson Před 5 lety +88

      I don't mind to a certain extent. It is a service being carried out, after all. However the sums are pretty ridiculous.

    • @rurikvolkov2810
      @rurikvolkov2810 Před 5 lety +46

      My dual citizenship says I'll just leave

    • @fisebilillah4406
      @fisebilillah4406 Před 4 lety +26

      @@realDarkPeterson
      They money from that.
      Bosnia made roughly 2 million last year, I think, from people renouncing citizenships.
      The sadder part is that the people got none of these 2 million.

    • @FARSIKATZ
      @FARSIKATZ Před 4 lety +15

      Ana - literally my life right now, Canadian whom of which met my now husband online, playing video games on Xbox hahaha!! Of all places, lol.
      I’m from Canada Ontario and am 23 my husband is 26 and him and I got legally married soon as I moved, all of that.. I’m still working on getting my paperwork all sent in .. god it’s freaking annoying as heck!!! I’m trying to get into Arizona - USA, and I had everything all sent and they send it back because I’m freakin adopted and when my adoptive parents divorced for some reason my fathers name was taken off my certificate.. which was odd so... ugh..

    • @coltonc8562
      @coltonc8562 Před 4 lety +3

      Lil Spouse Good luck that sounds like a pain to deal with. I know the United States is very imperfect but I'm glad you're here.

  • @BalrogSonOfNelgar
    @BalrogSonOfNelgar Před 3 lety +275

    Disgruntled person: "I am hereby renouncing my citizenship."
    Government: "There's a tax for that."

    • @Forbidden-Pre-Workout
      @Forbidden-Pre-Workout Před 3 lety +8

      Press X to Doubt.

    • @BahamutEx
      @BahamutEx Před 3 lety +9

      of course there is - the list of things that don't have taxes is way shorter nowadays...

    • @BalrogSonOfNelgar
      @BalrogSonOfNelgar Před 3 lety +14

      @@BahamutEx IRS: is that a complaint? There's a tax for that

    • @abdulbar8592
      @abdulbar8592 Před 2 lety

      Yeah I don't get this. What if he just tears up the documents?

    • @miloradowicz
      @miloradowicz Před 2 lety +3

      @@abdulbar8592 do you think getting citizenship is as simple as printing out a bunch of papers? Then why do you think tearing up those papers is enough for renouncing citizenship?

  • @joshmcgurk4437
    @joshmcgurk4437 Před 5 lety +497

    My girlfriend is officially stateless due to her family having to flee tibet during the Chinese invasion... it's a pain in the arse for her to get visas to visit anywhere.

    • @Adrian2140
      @Adrian2140 Před 5 lety +76

      if she's special, marry her and she gets yours

    • @Adrian2140
      @Adrian2140 Před 5 lety +71

      @DeeJay Develop A citizenship usually requires you live a certain years in the country and actively pay taxes (usually 5-10) and depending on the country there may be language, culture and history tests. It also involves paying a tax which usually is not cheap.
      Unless you marry, have relatives living there or speak the language perfectly, getting citizenship somewhere else is a horrible process.

    • @briancrawford8751
      @briancrawford8751 Před 5 lety +29

      Then marry her, you idiot.

    • @shelbyclark3733
      @shelbyclark3733 Před 5 lety +52

      Guys he said girlfriend. He probably doesnt even know if he wants to marry her yet.

    • @fisebilillah4406
      @fisebilillah4406 Před 4 lety +7

      @@Adrian2140
      Not that much actually, you can get citizenship without thst much knowledge of language in Europe.
      Just know a bit more thsn the basics and you are not tested in history, you just have to live a few years in a particular country.
      In Sweden, for example, it's five.
      You just go to the office, sing the anthem and get your citizenship.

  • @kenny_boii
    @kenny_boii Před 5 lety +217

    You missed Belgium.
    Belgium requires you to state you want to stay a Belgian at 21. Lots of Belgians working overseas forget this or don't know this. They find out when they apply for a passport renewal and find that they are no longer citizens.
    Happens all the time.

  • @georgih
    @georgih Před 5 lety +369

    I was like stateless for 10 years or more (i am realizing this just now) , because i was born in the USSR in 1987 but my parents moved to Bulgaria before the USSR was dissolved and i didn't get new russian passport neither a bulgarian one until i was in 7-th grade, i even don't know how i was going to school without beeing a bulgarian citizen at all :D

    • @ye-xf5mw
      @ye-xf5mw Před 5 lety +8

      Georgi Hristov Legend

    • @HarryToeface
      @HarryToeface Před 5 lety +4

      @Jude Barz I'm sorry you experienced racism... I promise we aren't all that way

    • @Anthonybrother
      @Anthonybrother Před 5 lety +13

      maybe bulgaria isn't full of bullshit bureaucracy?

    • @Prince-pb1vf
      @Prince-pb1vf Před 4 lety +15

      U went to school as an Alien from area 51🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @fisebilillah4406
      @fisebilillah4406 Před 4 lety +2

      @Jude Barz
      That is not slut-shaming but standard morality.

  • @jessthehuman
    @jessthehuman Před 5 lety +47

    "...the downsides of becoming stateless and existing in such a state" - I see what you did there.

  • @krishnar1182
    @krishnar1182 Před 5 lety +23

    One thing that I’m surprised wasn’t covered in this video are the countries that don’t allow you to renounce their citizenship (many in Latin America and the Middle East for example) and the interesting histories behind those policies.

  • @LeadsTheFallen
    @LeadsTheFallen Před 5 lety +1722

    You live in an airport like Tom hanks

    • @alabaster2163
      @alabaster2163 Před 5 lety +17

      Leads The Fallen Brilliant movie!!

    • @spearshaker7974
      @spearshaker7974 Před 5 lety +4

      Trust in me and fall as well.

    • @jesslynch94
      @jesslynch94 Před 5 lety +5

      Leads The Fallen omg. That movie was part of my childhood.

    • @tonydemaria3386
      @tonydemaria3386 Před 5 lety +1

      czcams.com/video/XIrxOLc5Cbs/video.html This guy is stuck in an airport just like Tom Hanks.

    • @schwarzwald6672
      @schwarzwald6672 Před 5 lety +1

      Yup

  • @rionnachelliot8951
    @rionnachelliot8951 Před 5 lety +2124

    Vsauce your British accent is pretty good.

    • @Duncan_Idaho_Potato
      @Duncan_Idaho_Potato Před 5 lety +99

      Fun fact: IIRC, Simon has said that he's been occasionally criticized by British people for his "fake" or "odd" sounding accent. He attributes this (if it's actually even true) to the fact that he's lived outside the UK for many years now. For the record, I don't think he looks like Michael from Vsauce AT ALL, other than the fact that he's bald and has a full beard. Also, Michael has more hair than Simon because Simon fully shaves his head while Michael does not.

    • @jacksonunknown2587
      @jacksonunknown2587 Před 5 lety +32

      Hey vsauce micheal here

    • @rodrigoa.m3566
      @rodrigoa.m3566 Před 5 lety +31

      @@Duncan_Idaho_Potato ...its a joke tho

    • @Duncan_Idaho_Potato
      @Duncan_Idaho_Potato Před 5 lety +22

      @@rodrigoa.m3566 Yes, I know. At least 5 people make it on Every. Single. Video.

    • @bonnieaprillollipoptrigger6516
      @bonnieaprillollipoptrigger6516 Před 5 lety +2

      Hehehe,my Sekai Sensei 🐆

  • @perpetuant5452
    @perpetuant5452 Před 4 lety +429

    Thank you for letting me know the world is just one big prison.

    • @tommillard4193
      @tommillard4193 Před 4 lety +10

      You can't just let anyone in without knowing anything about them

    • @mvs3553
      @mvs3553 Před 4 lety +21

      As soon as you're born.

    • @AtemiRaven
      @AtemiRaven Před 4 lety +10

      Well they make it hard to get visas and citizenship to keep as few people from wondering around the world as possible.
      Otherwise people from poor areas would flood into the richer areas and ruin their economy with the sudden influx of immigration. Which also usually comes with a higher crime rate, unemployment and other negative economic affects.
      It might feel like a prison but if they didn't purposely make people's mobility more limited it would be impossible to maintain a stable economy.

    • @joeyjohnson3847
      @joeyjohnson3847 Před 4 lety +16

      @@AtemiRaven it's obvious you're pro govt. Parents facilitate and make decisions for their children because the children aren't smart enough to make decisions for themselves quite yet. That's exactly how the govt views us. They keep us dumb and uneducated so we will never be able to facilitate for ourselves. Anarchy is the way. In the animal kingdom there are no cops or govt. You just gotta learn to defend yourself better, and there is power in numbers so instead of families dividing they would have to unite in order for survival

    • @joeyjohnson3847
      @joeyjohnson3847 Před 4 lety +7

      The queen is the HBIC. She owns 16 territories when there are people who are homeless. Think about that

  • @ryank3281
    @ryank3281 Před 5 lety +87

    He:...that’s when Dashlane come in.
    Me: Double tap on the right screen to fast forward.

    • @ashleyberkowitz8772
      @ashleyberkowitz8772 Před 3 lety

      Imagine using mobile
      Edit: I now use mobile sometimes ._.

    • @stickydog2122
      @stickydog2122 Před 3 lety +2

      @@ashleyberkowitz8772 Oh, how the mighty of fallen lol.

    • @stickydog2122
      @stickydog2122 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ashleyberkowitz8772 Not trying to be malicious just found this funny.

    • @George-fu9vu
      @George-fu9vu Před 3 lety +1

      I tend to tap about 9/10 times, usually skips just about the entire add. Ad reads are so dumb... advertisers make your stuff interesting... even when I see a product that I'm interested in I will ALWAYS look for a a competitor that does not annoy me with ads

    • @johnapple6646
      @johnapple6646 Před 3 lety

      @@George-fu9vu daddy gotta pay the bills You know

  • @Praxics0815
    @Praxics0815 Před 5 lety +371

    A colleague of mine was a US citizen. He lived and worked for decades in Germany. From him I first heard he had to file a tax declaration for the US as well and they had to use the bank account of his wife for everything.
    He renounced his US citizenship a few years back because according to him “it was a pain in the ass”.
    He now has German citizenship as he is married to a German women.
    He also told me about the “nice” papers he got informing him that he is now on a watchlist. Crazy US treating him kinda like a traitor.

    • @darkpixel1128
      @darkpixel1128 Před 5 lety +116

      sheesh, you get put on a watch list just for renouncing citizenship, that's just bullshit

    • @katiekane5247
      @katiekane5247 Před 5 lety +90

      @@darkpixel1128 Try speaking truth to power & see what happens. Land of the "free"?

    • @ashishpatel350
      @ashishpatel350 Před 5 lety +34

      He must not have paid back taxes or has debts in America. Most likely the reason for him being on a watch list.

    • @elainec6687
      @elainec6687 Před 5 lety +101

      @@ashishpatel350 It's mentioned in the video that U.S. citizenship can't be renounced until all outstanding taxes are paid, so that's not it.

    • @ashishpatel350
      @ashishpatel350 Před 5 lety +37

      @@elainec6687 that's not entirely true. You have the option to pay your taxrate or a capital gains tax. You pick. The tax rate in the US is around 40-52 percent depending on the state. People choose to pay 15 percent and just leave the rest.
      One of the Facebook founders made 2 billion dollars and his choice was to pay half or go to Japan and only pay 15 percent but you aren't allowed back in America if you don't pay the remainder.

  • @john-danielmunoz3469
    @john-danielmunoz3469 Před 5 lety +76

    A new independent country for the stateless now

  • @Marcho
    @Marcho Před 4 lety +23

    When I was born I was stateless, according to my parents it was a pain. A week after I was born I nearly got deported lol.

    • @prabhsaini1
      @prabhsaini1 Před 3 lety +7

      You should have been deported! So you could be deported back to your own country! Logic 100

    • @greyjedi7005
      @greyjedi7005 Před 3 lety +4

      @@prabhsaini1 bro the doctors were gonna put them back in their mom

    • @Someone-ps6be
      @Someone-ps6be Před 3 lety +1

      @@prabhsaini1 I mean Antarctica is the common heritage of mankind, so gtfo

    • @isiahrodriguez64
      @isiahrodriguez64 Před 3 lety +1

      "We deny your existence".

    • @allyourcode
      @allyourcode Před 3 lety

      What county were you born in??

  • @ghriszlybare2547
    @ghriszlybare2547 Před 5 lety +45

    What i gather from this is that the US is very touchy. "Oh things didnt work out? Well you should have thought of that before you hurt my feelings by rescinding then huh?"

    • @happyjohn354
      @happyjohn354 Před 3 lety +5

      Its more of a measure of preventing foreign spies from infiltrating the US... Lots of people during the cold war renounced their citizenship to dodge the draft and many came back as enemy nations agents approached them and paid them to become citizens again as a way of having people on the inside...
      Nowadays they just sign the spies up to go to US universities instead...

  • @edwarddoernberg3428
    @edwarddoernberg3428 Před 5 lety +53

    some people have the opposite problem.
    my father emigrated from Israel to Australia at the age of 7, he was raised Australian and considered himself to be Australian, as Israel did not accept renunciation of citizenship (rules may have changed) when he visited some extended family in Israel he was in trouble for having skipped out on his national service. they did, however, accept a promise that he would come back and do it soon, in what seemed like a standard workaround for the situation, it did mean he functionally couldn't go back after that point because Israeli law considered him to be a citizen who had broken their national military service laws. so he was in the odd position of being unable to visit a country because he was born there.
    note these events occurred in the late 70s and my father died in 95, rules may have changed in that time.

  • @BotWatts
    @BotWatts Před 5 lety +3

    good god, how fast have you been growing? i remember when you had less than 100k subs,
    and still filmed in front of just a plain green screen.
    good for you man, im happy to see good people thriving

  • @SakuraShirakawa
    @SakuraShirakawa Před 4 lety +15

    Anyone commenting about the sponsoring, just be glad you don't have yet another channel promoting Raid Shadow Legends.

  • @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist
    @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist Před 5 lety +42

    Another way to involuntarily renounce your Citizenship ( For a US citizen.) is to join a foreign military and become an official officer of that military.

    • @jonnunn4196
      @jonnunn4196 Před 5 lety +4

      There's a long list on one of the pages of the US passport (book) ; but most of them have since been ruled against the US Constitution.

    • @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena
      @JohnnyYeTaecanUktena Před 5 lety +3

      Kay that one might actually be considered treason

    • @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist
      @XFizzlepop-Berrytwist Před 5 lety +11

      johnny elkins
      It’s only treason if you join the military of someone we are at war with, you can join allied militaries, soldiers do it all the time especially if they feel that they can do more by staying and fighting for that country than by being sent to a base and doing nothing.
      Or some Americans join the French foreign legion in order to learn French and get citizenship there. But you’ll have to stay in there for like 5 years I believe.

    • @hadihasan1903
      @hadihasan1903 Před 2 lety

      Apart of Israel

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon Před rokem

      Wanna avoid paining US taxes while living in France? Join foreign legoin

  • @corey8704
    @corey8704 Před 5 lety +95

    Content begins at 0:20
    Runs through 9:25
    Skip to "Bonus Facts" at 11:05

    • @danielasefa1884
      @danielasefa1884 Před 4 lety

      Corey Copeland thank u

    • @BostonGhost617
      @BostonGhost617 Před 4 lety

      *To the top with him!!*

    • @maxpayne2574
      @maxpayne2574 Před 2 lety

      Then when Simon can't get any advertisers he goes to a different job and the ads go on a different chanel.

  • @pattihawks8514
    @pattihawks8514 Před 4 lety

    Happy New Year, Simon! Thanks for all the channels of interest you provide! If only your vlogs would come back!!
    ❤️🙏🧐🤓✌️

  • @MaggieTheCat01
    @MaggieTheCat01 Před 4 lety +4

    We had a stateless customer when I worked for a bank. We had to enter NWIP as his country code - nowhere in particular. He lived on a ship, and I have no idea if he ever managed to set foot on land whenever they docked somewhere.

  • @micahphilson
    @micahphilson Před 5 lety +124

    Like the bonus fact said, my brother lives in Switzerland, so now he has to pay taxes to both the US and Switzerland, which ends up being approximately all his money. Switzerland isn't exactly known for being cheap to live in!
    Also, like he said, it's almost impossible for him to get a good Swiss bank account, making it super difficult to rent from some places.

    • @WMDistraction
      @WMDistraction Před 5 lety +15

      If he makes more than $110k, he wouldn't have all his money taken. If he makes less than that, he wouldn't pay American taxes.

    • @arthurtregenna655
      @arthurtregenna655 Před 5 lety +11

      Micah Philson you don’t have to pay that much taxes in Switzerland usually, unless you’re rich.

    • @WMDistraction
      @WMDistraction Před 5 lety +3

      @@TheFriendlyInvader It's often better to take the deduction of (approximately) $110k because, even if you make more than that, you only get taxed on the portion greater than the deduction.
      Also, the credits function in dollar amounts. The math approximately works out to what you said, but can be quite different in certain cases.

    • @Superman679
      @Superman679 Před 5 lety +14

      The problem is the U.S. tax system. Speaking from experience at the International Taxation Services Office in Canada and having dealt with the U.S. as well as many other counties tax laws. Canada taxes based on residency and the U.S. is based on citizenship. As far as your brother having to pay taxes to both countries, that is not true. There are tax treaties in effect which are specifically there to avoid double taxation. Now if you mean that the income he receives is taxed at a different rate in the U.S. and he has to cover the difference, then again I say, you can blame the tax code of the U.S. for that. Not being a U.S. tax pro, I would suggest as some have, to look into foreign and over seas tax credits or at the extreme, renounce his citizenship ? As I said, working for ITSO a Canadian citizen who has no income from Canada and has fewer residential primary and secondary ties to Canada, (House, family, car, bank account, religious or any other groups (Shriner's club, etc.) vacation home not lived in year round, etc.) than an other country, there is no need to fill a Canadian tax return but there may be a benefit to do so, such as child tax credit or any other refundable tax credit, as well as a refund for any taxes paid over what you would have paid in Canada (not always and in all cases). Either your brother is getting fucked by his tax advisor or it's just the U.S. tax code under the Republicunts, I mean how else are the 1% supposed to get there 2 billion $ tax cut that Trumptard promised them ? LOL. When the rest of the world said you should put your 65 to 75 year old, semi retarded, doddering old fools in a home, we didn't mean the White House...lmfao

    • @michaely.9149
      @michaely.9149 Před 5 lety +4

      Sounds like your brother needs to read more.

  • @GumLong
    @GumLong Před 5 lety +77

    Wow, I literally had this topic (among others) today in a university lecture on international law. This timing is almost unsettling.

    • @TodayIFoundOut
      @TodayIFoundOut  Před 5 lety +19

      I'm not saying we're watching your every move, but I'm also not not saying that. ;-) -Daven

    • @voidremoved
      @voidremoved Před 5 lety +1

      this guys channel has been doing this to me for months

    • @Tech_Traveler
      @Tech_Traveler Před 5 lety

      The scar thing for me is I was just thinking about this a few hours ago.

    • @hattrickster33
      @hattrickster33 Před 5 lety

      Lizard Master Race confirmed

  • @spencegame
    @spencegame Před 5 lety +3

    My dad was born on a U.S. military base in the Philippines and when his parents brought him back to the states his birth certificate never followed him. Later the base shut down and all of their documents were destroyed. So my father was technically a stateless person for over 40 years. He managed to get by normally and didn't even know he was stateless, even though he had been in and out of court and served a sentence for a felony. It wasn't until he applied for a passport to travel to Canada that he found out that he needed to be naturalized and had to fight for the fees and testing to be waived since he was born on a military base.

  • @jjsc4396
    @jjsc4396 Před 5 lety

    Excellent presentation of the information. Succinct, comprehensive, well spoken, well edited, great supporting photos, etc. well done!

  • @SophiaAstatine
    @SophiaAstatine Před 5 lety +54

    Fancy. After Southern Jutland was given back by the Germans following the first world war, my great grandfather didn't have his paperwork treated properly due to a feud with the guy who was supposed to deal with it. So now I'm a third generation immigrant despite my family being Danish for nearly a thousand years. Thanks stupid stateless shizzle.

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari Před 5 lety +1

      Did all of your great grandfathers decedents marry other immigrants? Because I'd expect your other seven great grandparents being Dutch would override that status.

    • @SophiaAstatine
      @SophiaAstatine Před 5 lety +2

      @@Jotari I can't say I know how to mix what I assume is fraction based nationality with generations? Also, Danish, not Dutch.

    • @themaster1670
      @themaster1670 Před 5 lety +5

      Nice. A native Danish immigrant in Denmark :D Bureaucracy is the best sometimes. But indeed, at which point does your family stop being "immigrants" then? At least in Finland I think there are just immigrants, citizens with a foreign background and native citizens.

    • @kalleklp7291
      @kalleklp7291 Před 5 lety +1

      Well, based on your certificate of birth you should be able to solve the problem. Also, you probably have a social security card. That means you can get a passport, which again means you have Danish nationality.

    • @SophiaAstatine
      @SophiaAstatine Před 5 lety +3

      @@kalleklp7291 Keep in mind, this was an issue my grandfather dealt with. When he went to Copenhagen during his conscription, he had his uniform stolen. Thinking he had sold it (Because it was apparently kinda valuable) he got into a lot of trouble with his superiors. When they then tried to dig into his files, it turned out there were none, and the commander had it sorted out. Very nice of him too.

  • @NikkiMKarLen
    @NikkiMKarLen Před 5 lety +249

    It's less trouble to get a passport and talk smack about your homeland in another country.

    • @screamtoasigh9984
      @screamtoasigh9984 Před 5 lety +11

      Depends on your homeland and where you go.

    • @theenzoferrari458
      @theenzoferrari458 Před 5 lety +5

      So basically if I go to North Korea, even tho I hate kimmy poo and DPRK I can talk shit about America without getting killed?

    • @randomelk9801
      @randomelk9801 Před 5 lety +17

      You could probably be used in propaganda,
      See this american prefers our country.
      Meaning we are better than america.

    • @theenzoferrari458
      @theenzoferrari458 Před 5 lety +3

      @@randomelk9801 could I do it to inflame the war? Basically play both sides like in sicario day of the soldado? Go to NK with a loud speaker saying shit about U.S. then come back to the states with a loudspeaker saying shit about NK and have everyone armed with pitchforks and 2×4's?

    • @jorgeamadosoriaramirez8953
      @jorgeamadosoriaramirez8953 Před 5 lety +8

      @@theenzoferrari458 maybe choose another country, because in those cases you will be mostly preaching to the choir. I don't expect a large effect to ensue.
      If you do that between France and the UK, maybe...

  • @49metal
    @49metal Před 5 lety +20

    @Today I Found Out
    You glossed over one of the key qualifications to renounce U.S. Citizenship: Under the applicable law, 8 USC § 1481(5), the renuciation must be executed "before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States IN A FOREIGN STATE," i.e., you must be outside of the USA at the time.

    • @LavitosExodius
      @LavitosExodius Před 5 lety +6

      I mean in theory you could do it from the consulate/embassy of the country your applying for citizenship to. While it may be in the US the grounds are technically in that country.

    • @zavier3644
      @zavier3644 Před 5 lety

      You guys sound smart

    • @Moonbovine
      @Moonbovine Před 4 lety +1

      That’s why a bunch of people want to renounce lol. So they can leave America.

    • @happyjohn354
      @happyjohn354 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Moonbovine Ya most people don't understand how nice the US is like seriously even if I commit many felonies ill still be given 3 hot meals a day and a warm safe place to sleep...
      If you manage to fail building a life in the US you should be removed from the gene pool...

  • @ericlouclair2585
    @ericlouclair2585 Před 5 lety +157

    I hereby officially declare i am belong to the earth. My country (earth) is much larger than yours!

    • @hideentity1518
      @hideentity1518 Před 4 lety +5

      This is what you are in reality
      But mankind is so criminal, that he want to invade even outer places

    • @Petra44YT
      @Petra44YT Před 4 lety +2

      Wrong, because your country is mine, too. :-)

    • @chuckhitter5541
      @chuckhitter5541 Před 4 lety

      Virtue signal

    • @diablo.the.cheater
      @diablo.the.cheater Před 4 lety +6

      Earth? too small
      I declare i belong to the milky way!

    • @chairvergil4552
      @chairvergil4552 Před 4 lety +3

      @@diablo.the.cheater how about the whole universe?

  • @hearnia2k
    @hearnia2k Před 5 lety +180

    Your shengen area map is incorrect; the UK is not in the shengen agreement.

  • @donnieg5191
    @donnieg5191 Před 5 lety +4

    Simon is an example of how CZcams should be. Keep up the amazing work on all your channels man.

  • @camilagonzalez-wb8ed
    @camilagonzalez-wb8ed Před 5 lety

    Omg I’ve been wondering about this for a couple of weeks. Thanks

  • @carolsimpson4422
    @carolsimpson4422 Před 4 lety +3

    I love when people do videos on things I never even thought to think about.

  • @LocoFaux
    @LocoFaux Před 5 lety +531

    The moment you realize the hair on his head renounced their citizenship and emigrated to his face. :)

    • @Me-eb3wv
      @Me-eb3wv Před 5 lety +6

      feeshschticks lmao

    • @redsquirrel3893
      @redsquirrel3893 Před 5 lety +8

      Baldness was a sign of wealth and power in Egypt hairy people where seen as
      unclean.

    • @scottmantooth8785
      @scottmantooth8785 Před 5 lety +7

      mine own are in a protracted retreat to the back of my neck and lower back and there is no convincing of them to stop or lessen the speed of their march

    • @danielthompson6207
      @danielthompson6207 Před 5 lety +7

      @@scottmantooth8785 I'm having an overpopulation problem. I haven't lost any hair yet, but the further away from 30 I get, I keep getting more in new places.

    • @notwishz1017
      @notwishz1017 Před 5 lety +3

      Immigrated*

  • @andersonklein3587
    @andersonklein3587 Před 5 lety +115

    Well, you can always buy a Sealand or Monaco citizenship if it is that important. lol

    • @Gr3nadgr3gory
      @Gr3nadgr3gory Před 5 lety +8

      Sealand forever!

    • @dx1450
      @dx1450 Před 5 lety +13

      Or the Principality of New Utopia. They'll get around to building a platform in the ocean any day now...

    • @viper8177
      @viper8177 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Gr3nadgr3gory Forvik rules the waves! :)

    • @rivenoak
      @rivenoak Před 5 lety +5

      being citizen of Monaco IS nice. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mon%C3%A9gasque_nationality_law#Visa_requirements_for_Mon%C3%A9gasque_citizens :D

    • @nunyabiznez6381
      @nunyabiznez6381 Před 5 lety +6

      I have duel U.S. / Conch Republic citizenship.

  • @oliviahelp1968
    @oliviahelp1968 Před 4 lety +4

    I have both an American and an Norwegian citizenship as my dad is American and my mom is Norwegian. I will never give up this as it makes traveling and moving to other countries very easy as i can just choose witch passport i want to use. Woo!

  • @bearwarner4994
    @bearwarner4994 Před 5 lety +452

    Most places in the world: "You pay these taxes because you live here." America: "You pay these taxes because we own you."

    • @bryanabrego610
      @bryanabrego610 Před 5 lety +51

      Isnt that why there was a civil war with England lol

    • @bearwarner4994
      @bearwarner4994 Před 5 lety +8

      Good point.

    • @Mysteryskatin
      @Mysteryskatin Před 5 lety +48

      Most places in the world: "We're going to take like 60% of your income and there's nothing you can do about it, ahhahah!" America: "We'll take a cool 20ish percent and not treat our citizens like children."
      Also, isn't it odd that America is one of the only countries where you can renounce citizenship at any time and they can't tell you "no." When the rest of the world can say, "no you can't renounce citizenship, we actually do own you apparently, now pay your insane tax rate and be happy." Sounds fair.

    • @bearwarner4994
      @bearwarner4994 Před 5 lety +29

      @@Mysteryskatin You get what you pay for, and some people would like full service for something they're paying in on, and others want the barest minimums, even if that could cost them in every other respect besides financial. To each his own, I guess. I think what irks some the most is the idea that future people may end up landing decidedly on full-service, while the minimalist view takes its place in history. Until then, there's this place where you can renounce citizenship and immediately be charged for the results of having done so, and teaches us all to revere the Boston Tea Party event and the subsequent detachment from the country that forced us to pay taxes for services we weren't using, and then taxes us for services we're not using if we live abroad. Some people agree that this makes sense, but some people do not. Personally, I don't believe it makes all that much sense in general to separate people by the origin of their birth and/or parents as opposed to the place they are actually a part of, but it seems to really give our collective governments a buzz, so what do I know?

    • @Mysteryskatin
      @Mysteryskatin Před 5 lety +18

      @@bearwarner4994 You're correct; you get what you pay for. At least I can decide what I want. I'm not told what I need and then forced to pay for it.
      The government shouldn't play a parental role in your life, it should be a mediating force. If you want to renounce citizenship and the ramifications are clearly explained to you, you're an adult and you should be able to. How can that possibly be construed as worse than a system that says, "we know better than you, and you cannot do as you wish even though it would hurt nobody but yourself, now give us half your income and shut up"? That's incredibly condescending. You would think that one of the attributes of a free society would be the right to leave the society if you wish, right?...

  • @annoythedonkey
    @annoythedonkey Před 5 lety +319

    What happens if a prisoner renounces citizenship?

    • @ZAIDAAS99
      @ZAIDAAS99 Před 5 lety +416

      World.exe not responding

    • @patrickmcshane7658
      @patrickmcshane7658 Před 5 lety +81

      He would have to do this in front of consulate or embassy outside of the country, not feasible unless if he leaves prison.

    • @fredred8371
      @fredred8371 Před 5 lety +18

      Or what about if they're on probation?

    • @wasd____
      @wasd____ Před 5 lety +57

      Prisoners can't renounce citizenship, it's not practical because the consulate is not going to come to the prison to accept your renunciation.

    • @AmyraCarter
      @AmyraCarter Před 5 lety +15

      If one can pay the ridiculous fees, and are still incarcerated when the decision is made, one still will be detained, but likely worse for the ware. Of course, if incarceration occurs after the filing for renunciation is made, then the prisoner will still remain imprisoned.
      I don't think they would suddenly release the prisoner. Maybe they would. Logic tells me no, but...

  • @laurettelaliberte8864
    @laurettelaliberte8864 Před 5 lety +183

    I'm an American who moved overseas in 2010. That Act has made it nearly impossible to get a bank account where I live, and I can't obtain legal residency without one. As a result, I have to bounce between the US, non-Schnegkin countries and my primary home in Greece every 90 days to avoid huge fines for over-staying. I make waaay less than $100,00 a year.

    • @ithemba
      @ithemba Před 5 lety +17

      What the hell is a non-Schnegkin country?

    • @7-ten
      @7-ten Před 5 lety +15

      Haha shouldn't have left America

    • @emmaw.8176
      @emmaw.8176 Před 5 lety +26

      darillio They’re countries that are not part of The Schengen Area in Europe. The Schengen Area is basically 26 countries that don’t have internal borders which allows people to travel freely within them.

    • @leerwesen
      @leerwesen Před 5 lety +15

      That is messed. I got a bank account as soon as I landed in the EU, with no job or perm address... try Deutsche Bank, or Com Direct (latter does not have monthly fees)

    • @chaser107
      @chaser107 Před 5 lety +8

      Probably because you stole my avatar :p

  • @JohnDoe-nq9hl
    @JohnDoe-nq9hl Před 3 lety

    Great! Thanks for this video!! Now I know what I'm gonna do this weekend.

  • @Stargazer86m
    @Stargazer86m Před 5 lety +3

    I've personally been in a similar situation for a short while. During the Bosnian civil war in 1990's, I've been what they'd call "displaced person", among many other "displaced" or refugees. Displaced simply meant we couldn't get outside of the country, but we could move to the more "friendly" territory. During battles for my hometown, better said - after they ended in another warring side taking control, school archive has been burned, as well as local town hall archive, with the purpose to stop displaced people to come back after the war, or have justification for their claims of land ownership, etc. So I've spent few months without any official papers, and I've never been able to prove my school grades in junior years, they just wrote/invented average ones instead, way lower than they were. Luckily for citizenship, other Yugoslavian republics also had some of those archives still (it was one country a few years before), and I was able to prove it eventually. Just the other day I've found an old certificate that proved I was "stateless", and granted me some rights. :) I can only imagine how hard it gets with people who lose their identity due to dumb reasons, and with it their freedom.

  • @danstiver9135
    @danstiver9135 Před 5 lety +965

    The United States ALWAYS has to be the exception, even if there’s no good reason whatsoever to want to be the exception.

    • @robertt9342
      @robertt9342 Před 5 lety +30

      Mr Shambleface . Contrarians at heart.

    • @stuffums
      @stuffums Před 5 lety +91

      The thing is, there is good behind the idea in terms of targetting asshole tax-dodging rich people. South of the USA is the carribean where people (rich) set up their business and personal addresses and even gain citizenship in these tax havens, thus the USA loses out on a lot of tax revenue. Poor and middle class people can't benifit from this but rich people can exploit the system.
      The idea of limiting it to people over 100k is a good idea, although I think it should be like 250k so it targets the truly rich, but not say... lawyers and other hard working people.
      Greece's financial woes are largely in part due to its wealthy being able to easily pay their taxes abroad and dodge greek taxes, now Greece wants to figure out how to get that tax money back to greece to try to fix the budget

    • @ValWasTakenWasTaken
      @ValWasTakenWasTaken Před 5 lety +14

      US is just taking after its left driving, imperial measurement using father

    • @first782
      @first782 Před 5 lety +37

      The US is just the rebel child, Canada and Australia at least listen to daddy Britain

    • @j.macjordan9779
      @j.macjordan9779 Před 5 lety +3

      @@stuffums - this is not limited to the Caribbean, and, with enough imagination, someone living under the poverty line in the US can benefit massively from foreign institutions - banks or governments.
      Even sheltering yourself in the U.S. can be done at very little cost and still benefit the average worker - I don't even see why one would renounce their citizenship other than the very extreme examples.
      The major counter to the limits on the individual and seeking an obvious attempt to conceal wealth is the Supreme Court ruling that a Corporation is a "Person" in the US. Pair that with the ease of generating serial LLCs and spread across several States, hiding wealth doesn't require anything off shore, certainly not renouncing your citizenship.

  • @KyuuTomoyaki
    @KyuuTomoyaki Před 5 lety +37

    I'm surprised you didn't mention "Sovereign Citizens."

    • @AtemiRaven
      @AtemiRaven Před 4 lety +10

      Probably because they don't actually exist and is just an excuse used by crazy people to try and get away with breaking the law.

    • @seaghandalriata2059
      @seaghandalriata2059 Před 4 lety +10

      Sovereign is one thing. A "citizen" is another.
      "It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act , March 9, 1933, 48 stat 1., Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent, H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress in session June 5, 1933--Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists in name only." United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, vol. 33"
      "We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it’s own...”
      United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)
      “...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State an yet not a citizen of the United States”.
      McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)
      “That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
      Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)
      "A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
      Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383
      "The term 'citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."-- State v. Manuel, 20 NC 122
      “Every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen without his consent."
      --CRUDEN v. NEALE 2N.C. (1796) 2 SE 70
      The fact is, if one did not knowingly and with full appreciation of all circumstances thereof into into any "contract" whatsoever, then, there is no contract at all. Full disclosure is required. If a government did not tell you that they were incorporating your "name", and so making your "surety" for a cestui que trust, then said "government" acts in bad faith and no contract exists at all.
      In other words: If one has not knowingly and with full appreciation of all circumstances thereof, conveyed, consented, bargained, sold or waived one's unalienable rights or rights by any name or nomenclature, THEN, no contract exists at all.
      If one did not ever knowingly and with full appreciation of all circumstances thereof makes oneself "surety" for debts, liabilities, obligations, compelled performance, and/or bankruptcy for any entity, fictional or real, by any name or nomenclature, THEN, no contract exists.
      All human-made "governments" on earth today (with few exceptions--and certainly all industrialized peoples which are associated with the UN) are not countries at all, not nations either, but are corporations (cestui que trustent).
      If one did not ever knowingly and with full appreciation of all circumstances thereof enter a contract to be property of a corporation, then you are already not actually a "citizen" already, for if you did not knowingly agree to being enslaved, no contract exists.
      It is a simple process for giving the "governments" back their IDs, etc. It costs nothing at all. I don't care what they say.
      I am "stateless". Yet, I am free and the PIGs (PIG=Person In Government) refuse to come near me or arrest me for fear that I will tell prisoners how to get free and clear of the PIGs. And I (and other "stateless" souls) travel in "packs",
      There are some seriously tough things to being "stateless", but there are lots of honorable and therefore good, means to live life without being a slave.

    • @spiderzvow1
      @spiderzvow1 Před 4 lety +1

      there to broke to officially renounce. tbh it should be free or cheaper so people like them can fuck off and be deported

    • @seaghandalriata2059
      @seaghandalriata2059 Před 4 lety

      @@spiderzvow1 ,
      I don't understand. What are you talking about?
      What is "tbh"? What should be "free or cheaper"? Do you mean breaking with the U.S. should be free or cheaper? It can be done for free. Always. I don't care what the corporation that pretends to be a country says. It's easy to do, but not an easy road to walk once done.

    • @VisibilityFoggy
      @VisibilityFoggy Před 4 lety +1

      @@seaghandalriata2059 - That all sounds great until the IRS freezes your assets in your new country, or imposes an international bank levy on your account to collect your back taxes. The IRS can, and does, levy funds from bank accounts in foreign countries. I mean, there's Bitcoin I guess.

  • @wesnohathas1993
    @wesnohathas1993 Před 4 lety +17

    Of course it's taxes. It's always taxes.
    Because what's more American than tax evasion?

    • @hanro7430
      @hanro7430 Před 4 lety +5

      Whats more american than double taxation

    • @LavitosExodius
      @LavitosExodius Před 3 lety

      Generally speaking the more American thing that that is telling the Govt where to shove it. That being said always pay your taxes lol sneaky bastards will use those as some way to send your ass to prison for a very long time. Just ask all those Gangsters from the 20's or mob bosses haha.

    • @silverdeathgamer2907
      @silverdeathgamer2907 Před 3 lety

      Military interventions and coups?

  • @ariadgaia5932
    @ariadgaia5932 Před 4 lety

    Thank you. I needed this info.

  • @puellanivis
    @puellanivis Před 5 lety +51

    Technically, US citizens were required to file taxes in the USA even before FATCA passed, but (as you mention) most people did not have to file in the event that they didn’t earn enough to make compliance worth pursuing. It was just that FATCA started enforcing this even more strictly, in order to keep rich and wealthy individuals from just failing to report income. The gains from increased enforcement of taxes from these individuals was expected to offset the costs spent on ensuring compliance from everyone… Of course, no thought was given to the small guys who sometimes did not even earn enough to even qualify for filing taxes in the first place, if only they were living in the USA.
    This happened to my sister, who even though if she lived in the USA earned so little that even filing her taxes was deemed unnecessary, let alone not needing to pay any, but now finds herself needing to file her back taxes to validate that she does not owe anything before she can shell out the 2.5k to renounce her citizenship.

    • @Livvertical
      @Livvertical Před 5 lety +1

      puellanivis Don’t owe anything unless that income was earned through federal privilege. Send a corrected w2 to the irs. www.Losthorizons.com I pay no federal or state income taxes legally according to the definitions of the IRC.

    • @seneca983
      @seneca983 Před 5 lety

      I'm under the impression that even if you don't earn enough to incur any tax liability, you would still technically have to file your tax returns.

    • @Livvertical
      @Livvertical Před 5 lety

      Who the tax applies to is of most importance. Prior to WW2, less than 10% of the working population paid any income tax and no tax laws have changed since then. This is all historical evidence anyone can research. www.Losthorizons.com

    • @Livvertical
      @Livvertical Před 5 lety

      Reta 4U Send a self corrected w2/1099 (form 4852) rebuting the informational return filed on behalf of you by your employer to the irs stating you fall outside the definitions stated in USC 26 sections 3121 and 3401. In fact, read ALL of USC 26. Per the IRS rules, you ARE allowed to do this since you have first hand knowledge. Don't do what everyone else does just because everyone else does, actually read to see what the law says.

  • @SRNF
    @SRNF Před 5 lety +54

    The government drops you off into the middle of the nearest ocean. Nuff said.

    • @djlocman3
      @djlocman3 Před 5 lety +2

      Free helicopter rides.

    • @Mario583a
      @Mario583a Před 5 lety

      Bermuda Triangle.

    • @beemail6983
      @beemail6983 Před 5 lety

      Oh hey bin Laden

    • @YeahztvMH
      @YeahztvMH Před 5 lety

      Oh you get a free lift ? aint they nice.

    • @0816M3RC
      @0816M3RC Před 5 lety +2

      SRNF Hopefully with some weights tied to your body.

  • @SpecialAgent666
    @SpecialAgent666 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I used to think having a "Stateless" status was really bad until seeing certain things go on over the years to realize otherwise.

  • @khoreybrown4349
    @khoreybrown4349 Před 5 lety

    This was interesting. Thank you for this information.

  • @adnanilyas6368
    @adnanilyas6368 Před 5 lety +100

    Yes, the Supreme Court technically ruled in 1948 in Zadvydas v. Davis that indefinite detention is unconstitutional. HOWEVER, in Jennings v. Rodriguez, a case from earlier this year, the Supreme Court said that there is no constitutional right for a bond hearing in immigration cases for non-citizens (so undocumented, visa holders, or green card holders). Can you guess what you need to get out of detention? Yup, a bond hearing. Essentially, the Supreme Court made indefinite detention constitutional for non-citizens.

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 Před 5 lety +2

      So much for unalianable rights hu?

    • @robertt9342
      @robertt9342 Před 5 lety +2

      Robert Harris ... Well not that unexpected given the provisions outlined in the constitution.

    • @AllYourBaseRBelong2Us
      @AllYourBaseRBelong2Us Před 5 lety +7

      Non-citizens do not have the Right to be in the United States.

    • @abrakadabra4966
      @abrakadabra4966 Před 5 lety +10

      @@TwoWholeWorms you should delete the 2nd half of your comment and replace it with
      "As long as you follow our laws and come to this great land legally."

    • @JeantheSecond
      @JeantheSecond Před 5 lety +12

      Robert Greary
      My moral compass doesn’t allow me to accept the indefinite detention of human beings, regardless of their color or country of origin.
      But, then again, I have a moral compass and I’m not a xenophobic asshole who thinks it’s okay to lock up people who are seeking asylum (which is legal and it’s illegal to deny them the chance to present themselves at the border to ask for asylum) or who have committed a misdemeanor (which is what entering the US without permission is).
      I’m only sad and dismayed at the lack of morals by so many racist, uninformed Americans.

  • @EinChris75
    @EinChris75 Před 5 lety +16

    4:40 is not showing the Schengen Area. Austria is missing. And the British Isles are no full member. There is a passport check when going from Germany to the UK. Been there, done that.

    • @MrDanJB85
      @MrDanJB85 Před 5 lety +4

      So pleased I'm not the only one bothered by that :-). The Republic of Ireland and United Kingdom have a confusingly named 'common travel area' which is similar in concept to Schengen but is between the ROI and UK only. I think there are some circumstances in which a Citizen of an EU/EEA country can travel from the Schengen area to the Common Travel Area with a form of ID other than a passport, but that still doesn't work for a stateless person.

    • @viktorsarkezi4071
      @viktorsarkezi4071 Před 5 lety +4

      There's even more wrong with the map - Switzerland is although not part of the EU part of the Schengen-area (which is why I don't get how Austria isn't included in the map, even if you confuse those two...) - Liechtenstein too is part of Schengen (but not even I care for Liechtenstein).
      Croatia - included in the map and part of the EU - is actually NOT part of Schengen.
      All I wanted to say is that this genuinely makes me furious :)

    • @MrDanJB85
      @MrDanJB85 Před 5 lety +2

      On a closer look, Luxembourg is also left out - luckily for Mr Whilster cartographers are generally a non-violent bunch.

    • @jameshenry6855
      @jameshenry6855 Před 5 lety

      "British Isles" what's that? Did you mean to say Ireland and Britain?

    • @MrDanJB85
      @MrDanJB85 Před 5 lety +1

      Given the context I presume the intention is to mean the entire archipelago (the island of Ireland, the island of Great Britain and the thousands of smaller island such as: Isle of Man, the Hebrides, Orkney, Isle of White, Anglesea, Achill island etc etc) plus the channel islands of Jersey and Guernsey.
      I've heard the term 'British isles' is controversial in some quarters, but I don't know of a better, widely recognised term that inclusively describes of all of those islands. 'Ireland and Britain' isn't fully clear, I think most people would understand Isle of White etc to be included under 'Britain' and and Achill etc to be included under 'Ireland', but might be understood to exclude the Isle of Man, and is ambiguous about Northern Ireland as isn't explicit whether we're talking about the island of Ireland or the Republic of Ireland . If there is a different term for that group of islands I would be glad to learn it.

  • @storungz
    @storungz Před 5 lety

    Woooooh, Simon, you are looking particularly handsome in this video!! I just had to turn on the A/C and sit down for this one!
    Wonderful lighting, great shots, and perhaps an upgraded camera or format your cinematographer is using (?) is certainly highlighting all your attributes. 😊

  • @alanamuir
    @alanamuir Před 4 lety +1

    I'm American and I live in the UK. I'm self-employed, so I actually am double taxed. The US has a separate self employment tax that doesn't take into account if you've already paid foreign taxes. I've earned less than $1000 in a year and still owe in the US at a rate of around 30%. It's not even worth it to me to earn any money anymore. I pulled my books from publication until I get UK citizenship and renounce my US citizenship. I didn't hate America when I left, but I do now.

  • @TheRetroGamers
    @TheRetroGamers Před 5 lety +47

    I love the camera changes. Looks more professional and like a news station. Love the stuff you do. Can you do why Japan is a place seen as a nerd/anime full country. Like why they use it when in their commercial. Or why English is seen as the most difficult language to learn.

    • @krimzonhunt7929
      @krimzonhunt7929 Před 5 lety +5

      English is often seen as hard due to the lack of rules and mix of both Latin and Germanic origin which, especially for Eastern country's, it can be quite hard to learn.
      Then there is the different spellings with Traditional English and American English as well as words meaning the same thing and some prounincitation not being in other languages.

    • @TheRetroGamers
      @TheRetroGamers Před 5 lety +1

      @@krimzonhunt7929 it's also hard because English has the most words.

    • @matildas3177
      @matildas3177 Před 5 lety +8

      I have never heard that English is hard to learn? It's usually germanic languages that are mentioned

    • @Ebani
      @Ebani Před 5 lety +3

      Both things you said seem to be stereotypes (english being hard? i have never heard of that in my life), pretty dumb one's at that, like most stereotypes.

    • @phoenix.
      @phoenix. Před 5 lety +3

      trackerjacker2 English is actually very easy to learn... My native language has 7 grammatical cases, lol

  • @Darque2391
    @Darque2391 Před 5 lety +2041

    Just say you're from Wakanda.

    • @shibolinemress8913
      @shibolinemress8913 Před 5 lety +57

      Or Asgard!

    • @theenzoferrari458
      @theenzoferrari458 Před 5 lety +29

      @@shibolinemress8913 or from knowwhere.

    • @psionx1
      @psionx1 Před 5 lety +56

      I say kekistan is a better choice. less evil purple aliens to snap you out of existence.

    • @LordDragon1965
      @LordDragon1965 Před 5 lety +14

      Erehwon, Brigadoon, Shangri-la or Sealand are also possible

    • @XCHDragox115
      @XCHDragox115 Před 5 lety +27

      15 minutes ago I (finally) became a citizen of Arstotzka

  • @DaniMartVTen
    @DaniMartVTen Před 5 lety +2

    What you missed talking about, is that if you can depatriate or desovereign a piece of land paid-in-full from the former host country (eyes of the world on Canada for this one concerning Crown Land), and then denounce your own citizenship with your land to inhabit, can file your land as a micro-nation (like many in the Pacific Ocean) with the United Nations and thus gain certain protections and counselling from them. The big and yet unrealized bonus of this, is that as True Independent Micro-Nations if you can create Official Treaties with others like yourself, only furthers credibility of international standing, as each Micro-Nation recognizes the other, should they be challenged singularly by any of the much larger bodied nations, can have legal merit in court via proof of Treaty Recognition, including any Trade Agreements and "Military" Support/Agreement To Defence. Should any of the larger nations take actions against you and thus against the UN which is technically protecting you, can apply supporting sanctions against the illegally oppressing larger country. This, is how the little guys together can win, in theory.

  • @WhiteBloggerBlackSpecs
    @WhiteBloggerBlackSpecs Před 5 lety +2

    10:04 serious shade there, Simon 😂💀

  • @Uptightliner
    @Uptightliner Před 5 lety +51

    Thank to TIFO, I sound more educated to strangers than I really am

    • @justkittensbeingkittens5892
      @justkittensbeingkittens5892 Před 5 lety

      Katie Willis ikr. I feel so smart lol

    • @LadySnowfaerie
      @LadySnowfaerie Před 5 lety +2

      You could also just say that you are, in fact, becoming more educated. It's just somewhat sporadically and not through the traditional means.

  • @robertburkhart991
    @robertburkhart991 Před 5 lety +59

    Can you do a video on the potential problems or even perks of having dual citizenship? If already done please let me know. I was born in Germany to Americans who were visiting. It's more complicated than that but that's the basics .. was told I have dual citizenship by my mom but have never have had any problems yet lol

    • @savagedragon79
      @savagedragon79 Před 5 lety +17

      The United States does not formallyrecognize dual citizenship. However, it also has not taken any stand against it, either legally or politically. Typically, noAmerican will forfeit his or hercitizenship by undertaking the responsibilities of citizenship in another country. Yep I copy pasted that😁

    • @rainyisland8676
      @rainyisland8676 Před 5 lety +7

      I believe Germany doesn't allow duel citizenship unless it is with another EU country. If you are a US citizen and want to be a German citizen you would have to give up US Citizenship. Which means you can't be duel.

    • @autotechxbox163
      @autotechxbox163 Před 5 lety +1

      My aunt married a man that lives in Scotland and she has dual citizenship.

    • @leiannesw4926
      @leiannesw4926 Před 5 lety +2

      @@rainyisland8676 , you are correct. @ Robert, Germany does not allow dual citizenship. They stopped quite a while back. I was born there and had dual citizenship. I know many Germans who came to the US and had to choose. They felt like their motherland didnt care.
      I will tell you, make sure you always have a birth certificate. Most people just contact their state born in for one. You have to go through D.C., and sometimes have your mom and dad certificates.
      My son joined the Military and gets alot of questions regarding my birth and citizenship for every posting and rank up. I ordered a birth certificate for him to just keep. I was afraid mine would get lost.
      When you do need it, They dont accept copies, only registered proof. Mine is 4 pages, not including my parents pages lol

    • @leiannesw4926
      @leiannesw4926 Před 5 lety

      @@autotechxbox163 Scotland still has dual citizenship

  • @mrmaddhatter2979
    @mrmaddhatter2979 Před 5 lety

    Thank you. It was informing. I enjoyed it.

  • @edezagon
    @edezagon Před 4 lety +20

    On November 20th, I am formally renouncing my US citizenship. Yeah! But for that, you need to appear twice, not once and as for taxes, you need to have 5 years of prior tax returns done and the year of the renunciation must also be done the following year. So my 2019 taxes will need to be filed in 2020, the exit tax docs as well, then I am free! I have another passport of the country I currently live in and which is also my country of birth.
    But this was a good recap of the situation... I was also born stateless as my father was a political refugee, so I was born as a protégée of the United Nations. And this despite having a Belgian mother. Before 1965, in Belgium, you took the nationality of your father. After that, the parents could choose.

    • @VisibilityFoggy
      @VisibilityFoggy Před 4 lety +1

      @Luaay E - It sounds more like she is retaining her old life - possibly one of the people affected by the 2010 law?

    • @happyjohn354
      @happyjohn354 Před 3 lety +1

      That's stupid... You could have just become a duel citizen...

    • @edezagon
      @edezagon Před 3 lety +1

      @@happyjohn354 hi. I was a dual citizen of Belgium and US. I gave it up cuz of politics, taxation and Belgium is a neutral country where we have access to pretty much everywhere. I will eventually go back to US but just for visiting friends, family and tourism. It is a beautiful country from a natural point of view.

    • @happyjohn354
      @happyjohn354 Před 3 lety +1

      @@edezagon One of my friends actually managed to get 3 different citizenships due to his parents being from different countries but growing up in the US

    • @jilguera
      @jilguera Před 3 lety

      Thanks for the info. I am planning on renouncing in the next few years

  • @burrowowl
    @burrowowl Před 5 lety +3

    I recently read a book called "The Art of Not Being Governed" that explores several aspects of statelessness in human history where it appears it was clearly the preference of the people involved. Many of the "hill people" of Southeast Asia have a history of flight from states, with a number of their cultural practices rendering them more difficult to make and keep "legible" to nearby states, thus avoiding conscription, corvee labor, taxes, religious persecution, and direct slavery depending on the particulars of time and place. Modern nations like Vietnam and Myanmar have gone to great lengths to separate these people from their preferred condition as non-citizens.

  • @kazutokirigaya6597
    @kazutokirigaya6597 Před 5 lety +6

    I really enjoy your videos, it's definitely one of my favorite CZcams channels ✊🏼 it's really important to mention detention of immigrants in the US is largely motivated by profit as detention centers are private, not state run. Asylum seekers can be detained for literally years - doing nothing but following the law of presenting themselves to a point of entry - all the while companies (that happened to lobby for state and federal laws encouraging a minimum national detention quota) have every incentive to keep them detained for as long as possible.

    • @kappadarwin9476
      @kappadarwin9476 Před 5 lety +1

      I would rather submit to being detained than enter a country illegally.

  • @christopherdurham1999
    @christopherdurham1999 Před 4 lety

    LOL at the example of a renouncement (renunciation?) document being from Ann Arbor, the Berkeley of Michigan.

  • @dreadlordgaming6513
    @dreadlordgaming6513 Před 5 lety +1

    Today i found Out this video, in my recommendations and i loved it

  • @skeetersaurus6249
    @skeetersaurus6249 Před 5 lety +3

    Having done some research on this topic, related to America specifically, I can easily say that Simon makes this sound 'just slightly more difficult' for Americans than other nations, when in fact, it is 'proverbial hell' bordering on impossible for most Americans to EVER renounce their citizenship. It requires a dozen forms, months of waiting, 4 background checks, a couple of 'fees' and a 'departure tax' (which is basically a percentage of your asset holdings), as well as the 'poker game' of not being able to get 'other nation citizenship' until you renounce, with the risk of renouncing and then being denied to the new host nation...in effect, all those who are ready to throw the doors open to 'no border immigration' should in fact be looking at the absolute PRISON they are already living in (that there is no hope of exiting) first! Even in exiting, America is NOT what it appears to be!

  • @thesunflowchannel1995
    @thesunflowchannel1995 Před 5 lety +4

    I didn't even know you could renounce your citizenship without belonging to another country.

  • @krishnar1182
    @krishnar1182 Před 3 lety +1

    One topic that I'm surprised wasn't covered is how many countries do not allow citizens to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship. For example many South American and African countries do not allow renunciation or otherwise loss of citizenship at all.

  • @The_Joestar
    @The_Joestar Před 5 lety

    I love you Karl! Great article! :D

  • @JohnDoe-vf2yo
    @JohnDoe-vf2yo Před 5 lety +7

    11:04 to resume the vid.
    I know they need sponsors but save it for the end.

  • @GRBtutorials
    @GRBtutorials Před 5 lety +76

    So I can't just become a citizen of the Universe? Because that's how I feel!

    • @RugnirSvenstarr
      @RugnirSvenstarr Před 5 lety +11

      Everyone is born a citizen of the universe :)

    • @paullambert8701
      @paullambert8701 Před 5 lety +6

      I feel like I am a brain surgeon, but the damn hospitals and research institutes all demand official papers! Talk about oppressed.

    • @miguelruiz5146
      @miguelruiz5146 Před 5 lety +1

      GRBTutorials you’re a sovereign citizen aren’t you

    • @nunyabiznez6381
      @nunyabiznez6381 Před 5 lety +4

      Of course you can but it may be some time before any Earth nation recognizes the universe as a sovereign nation.

    • @lylyscuir
      @lylyscuir Před 4 lety

      That makes as much saying you’re a citizen of tabby cats or a citizen of that small rock at the bottom of the Grand Canyon. You aren’t a citizen to physical objects like soil, the world, or the universe. Citizenship is granted to people by nonphysical entities that are constructed by people, like the United States of America or the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. So you can create your own state called the Universe and then use it to grant yourself citizenship, though most other states will not acknowledge the legitimacy of your state.

  • @NaGromOne
    @NaGromOne Před 5 lety +1

    This became a real issue in Australia, as it is in the Constitution that to be elected to Parliament you could not be a dual citizen, as it creates a potential conflict of interest and loyalty. Both the government party and the opposition found themselves losing numbers because investigation found that parliamentarians had dual citizenships and had to resign and contest a fresh by election. It messed up both houses of parliament and resignations almost lost the government party their majority. Even the deputy Prime Minister had to resign, as it was discovered he had never renounced citizenship of another country, which he was not aware of having!

  • @justingathright1670
    @justingathright1670 Před 5 lety

    👍!👍! Good job & thanks for the KNOW(ledge)!

  • @dyawr
    @dyawr Před 3 lety +3

    This reminded me of that girl from Britain who left to join ISIS. She's now stateless 😕
    I had no idea there are so many people in this situation.

  • @kylorenkardashian5518
    @kylorenkardashian5518 Před 5 lety +13

    wait, this isn't vsauce michael

  • @qdllc
    @qdllc Před 4 lety +1

    In the USA, you CAN NOT renounce your citizenship without first having citizenship elsewhere. They won’t accept it. Likewise, they still might fight it as that means they can’t keep assessing you for income tax.

  • @smpark12
    @smpark12 Před 5 lety +2

    0:23 Not in Sajaka you have to meet the king in person and write a 2 page essay on why you are leaving :)

  • @DoomTrooper90
    @DoomTrooper90 Před 5 lety +72

    TL;DR - You're screwed. Mostly because of the Passport regime since the 1920s.

    • @df5687
      @df5687 Před 5 lety +4

      i like passports, then we know whos coming and leaving. like terrorists or other criminals.

    • @screamtoasigh9984
      @screamtoasigh9984 Před 5 lety +4

      @@df5687 You're not familiar with border security then. There's a reason we want a wall.

    • @TheStackeddeck77
      @TheStackeddeck77 Před 5 lety +8

      @@screamtoasigh9984 except the wall doesnt help with the tunnels and thats how the people you're thinking of, get themselves and their drugs/guns/etc into the country

    • @df5687
      @df5687 Před 5 lety +3

      not really im canadian, feel free to come up for a visit and smoke some weed and use some free healthcare... just bring your passport so we know you are a legal american citizen eligible to enter canada lol. not being sarcastic either, i pay my taxes and i am one of 36 million who doesnt mind certain americans using our healthcare who cant afford the privatized system in america. we may not be better off, but we can lend our neighbours a helping hand when needed. you build a wall up here us canadians will tear it right down to let yall in again for both our benefits. just dont bring drugs, organized crime, and unwanted behaviours like pedophilia or domestic abuse.... security isn't the main issue for canada's borders.

    • @Codyak13
      @Codyak13 Před 5 lety +9

      ScreamToASigh Except a walk wouldn’t stop the vast majority of people coming in. It would barely stop those who are crossing. “The Wall” is a rallying cry for those with subpar intelligence that have no idea or want to actually research things.

  • @Zanelander
    @Zanelander Před 4 lety +5

    What about the opposite? Obtaining citizenship in every country.

    • @BuzzkillZone
      @BuzzkillZone Před 4 lety +1

      Not possible. Many countries do not allow dual citizenship.

    • @Zanelander
      @Zanelander Před 4 lety

      @@BuzzkillZone That's the whole purpose of "What if".

    • @BuzzkillZone
      @BuzzkillZone Před 4 lety

      @@Zanelander and that was the answer to what if?

    • @syni8225
      @syni8225 Před 4 lety

      @@BuzzkillZone if its like that then what happens when every country allow dual citizenship?

    • @BuzzkillZone
      @BuzzkillZone Před 4 lety

      @@syni8225 So if all countries allowed dual citizenship, how many people would have dual citizenship?

  • @jamarandre
    @jamarandre Před 5 lety +1

    For many years, Texans were born to midwives because hospitals were often faraway and expensive. Those who were born to midwives did not always do the proper paperwork to get a birth certificate. As a result, there are many people living in Texas who are now stateless, including my grandmother because there are no witnesses alive to prove she was born in Texas. Now, she cannot obtain a passport to go on a cruise.

  • @broark88
    @broark88 Před 3 lety +1

    I wonder if some kind of organization, NGO, or company could essentially vouch for stateless people, almost like getting an insurance policy, whose function is to provide a placeholder form of citizenship of basically a landless state, until permanent citizenship or residency could be secured.

  • @BaoCypher0912
    @BaoCypher0912 Před 5 lety +7

    I click on this video because I mistaken you as Michael from Vsauce but this is a decent video

  • @Lantalia
    @Lantalia Před 5 lety +6

    The US is trying to render a friend of mine, born in the US, stateless, disputing the validity of her Maine birth certificate, with no indication of what country they think she is from

    • @hamzastrash4377
      @hamzastrash4377 Před 5 lety

      Wow...

    • @MrJinglejanglejingle
      @MrJinglejanglejingle Před 5 lety

      Proof?

    • @Lantalia
      @Lantalia Před 5 lety +1

      www.seattleweekly.com/news/danni-askini-seeks-asylum-in-sweden/

    • @justinvasko3577
      @justinvasko3577 Před 5 lety +1

      Stevie Lantalia Metke What a complete nightmare that is. I just read the article.

    • @thunderquillradio
      @thunderquillradio Před 5 lety +1

      @@Lantalia Wow! A truly astounding and horrifying article. What's being done to this poor woman is downright unconstitutional and...possibly evil.

  • @ThanatosA2
    @ThanatosA2 Před 5 lety

    I like @ 1:20 the document lists Ann Arbor, MI as the town, as it is my hometown. They misspelled Washtenaw (Weshtenaw as in the video) county though

  • @MarkWatsonSMTX
    @MarkWatsonSMTX Před 8 měsíci

    I was born in the former Panama Canal Zone. There was a U.S. law modifying the Panama Canal Treaty claiming that I was a U.S. Citizen from birth. However, you can not modify a treaty with a law. Consequently, I was born a Non-Citizen U.S. National. That is better than an actual citizen. I can obtain a passport and live and work in the U.S. without paying taxes. However, I am not eligible for Social Security or Medicare. That is an awesome deal. I can claim Panamanian citizenship and live in Panama without paying any taxes (Article XV of the Agreement in Implementation of Article III of the Panama Canal Treaty of 1977).

  • @Toolgdskli
    @Toolgdskli Před 4 lety +44

    Update: Elon Musk is preparing an international land area for the stateless. The exact coordinates in Mars are sill to be determined.

  • @thesteadfastduelist6258
    @thesteadfastduelist6258 Před 5 lety +27

    *If that ever happens to me I would travel the world, evade the law, and become an urban legend.*

    • @wasd____
      @wasd____ Před 5 lety +17

      I feel more like you would be detained at the first border you tried to cross, then trapped in detention systems without trial for the rest of your life because there's nowhere else to put you and nowhere for you to be deported to. Sounds really boring.

    • @superscatboy
      @superscatboy Před 5 lety +11

      "Urban legend" is a funny way to spell "hobo".

    • @Jebusmike3
      @Jebusmike3 Před 5 lety +1

      OH MY GOD, IT'S JASON BOURNE!!!!

    • @dariustiapula
      @dariustiapula Před 5 lety

      Funny way of saying "free organ donor". I mean no IDs, no home, no job etc.

    • @andremaxwell521
      @andremaxwell521 Před 5 lety +1

      I am technically 'stateless'. I was born in shoddy circumstances and have been on my own for almost as long as I can recollect. Never known my parent(s) and at 15 have no documentation. Crossed many a border on multiple continents in my time.

  • @alababaju
    @alababaju Před 5 lety

    Hi! Just offering some corrections :)
    The image at 4:44 has a map with a few problems.
    1. It shows Northern Ireland as a part of Ireland and consequently it shows the UK without Northern Ireland. The UK is England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.
    2. It shows the UK as though it is part of the Schengen Area. It is not.

  • @SewolHoONCE
    @SewolHoONCE Před 4 lety +1

    In your research, did you happen to come across the WORLD SERVICE AUTHORITY, an ad hoc world government using the International Postal Union as a model? I traveled with a WSA Passport and Identity Card form 1980 to 1991. Having an ID card in my pocket printed in 6 languages was often very helpful. In addition to Passports and Identity Cards, the WSA issued birth certificates to stateless persons.

  • @maskofthedragon
    @maskofthedragon Před 5 lety +20

    Am I being detained?

    • @Geographus666
      @Geographus666 Před 5 lety +5

      Usually followed by the sound of breaking glass and someone shouting "TASER! TASER! TASER!"

    • @jimmyalderson1639
      @jimmyalderson1639 Před 5 lety +3

      maskofthedragon I DO NOT CONSENT I DO NOT CONSENT! I READ ABOUT VAMPIRES AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T ARREST ME UNLESS I CONSENT!
      I DID KILL THAT MAN BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!
      I HAVE ALL THE RIGTS OF A NORMAL CITIZEN I JUST DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY LAWS!
      Love these people so much. I got tired of laughing at religious nut jobs and SJWs because nobody ever tells them that they're wrong. So watching SCs is like watching a religious nut job or an SJW, but they get tasered and cry at the end of it

  • @nonprovareafareclick
    @nonprovareafareclick Před 5 lety +4

    minute 5.11 Schengen Area map incorrectly excludes Austria.

  • @exposingproxystalkingorgan4164

    This video information is very interesting.

  • @TheRazzyBear
    @TheRazzyBear Před 5 lety

    On the background image of Europe when you talked about the countries being in the Schengen Area the country of Romania was also highlighted, Romania however is not in Schengen.

  • @tfh5575
    @tfh5575 Před 5 lety +18

    Damn the US is savage. Never giving up my American citizenship

    • @winter2843
      @winter2843 Před 4 lety +4

      T. T I’m planning on giving up mine.

  • @nathanb5241
    @nathanb5241 Před 5 lety +12

    "Bsauce! British Michael, here!"

  • @xaero5150
    @xaero5150 Před 5 lety

    The 9th circuit was overturned(again) and the 6 month requirement for deportation or release was removed. The US Supreme Court, ended the debate on this. You may look at JENNINGS v. RODRIGUEZ for clarification.

  • @pjaj43
    @pjaj43 Před 5 lety

    I once had a colleague who had been an Iraqi (? well one of those nice liberal countries in the middle east) jew. When he went to his embassy in London to renew his passport, they promptly confiscated it and told him to go away and not come back. Thereby making him stateless. He travelled on a document from the UK government which was a sort of stateless persons passport. One very large sheet of paper onto which various visa stamps could be applied and which said he was nominally under the protection of the UK. It worked very well, whilst I had to queue to get through US immigration, he was fast tracked!

  • @jimrobinson9979
    @jimrobinson9979 Před 5 lety +116

    Sigh. I got a Scientology ad and a Wall Petition Trump/Pence ad on this video. I wonder wtf CZcams is using to target ads...