Don't know about that but I heard a rumour that new knights wore a Green Sallet, and Italian knights wore Chiesa Sallets... ...I'll just get my coat on the way out then.
GONDOR HELMET CONFIRMED at 2:10 I always thought those little wing-a-dings on the Gondorian helmets were ridiculous (although also cool-looking), and never expected to see anything like them in real armor, but the helmet on that dude in the middle of the group in the inset picture looks exactly like the Gondorian ones.
Do/or did, you make/made a video on the Maximillian Helmet and Sir Giles Helmet? s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/01/6c/88/016c88e72442bc999be8382931b11a81.jpg And how is this helmet named? upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Armor_for_tilt_and_field_of_Count_Franz_von_Teuffenbach,_by_Stefan_Rormoser,_Innsbruck_Austria,_1554_-_Higgins_Armory_Museum_-_DSC05679.JPG Thanks
@@bungtunger5345 Most high quality armors are custom made in private smith shops. You'd have to probably find the closest local one on social media and meet them in-person for measurements. Most of the best armor can't be bought online, unless you are able to commission something from a private seller. If you absoultely need to buy top armor online, Steel Mastery seems good but they are kinda overpriced and it would cost and arm and a leg. (unless you are rich) For lesser quality armor online there are more alternatives like Kult of Athena. However you need to be careful with Kult of Athena becasue they have a lot of bad stuff too. When buying online just tread carefully and do your research to make sure you get a good deal. But for top of the line gear that Ian Laspina has, is a bit more complicated to obtain. Hope I helped, sorry for the late and vague reply...
Great video, sir. The sallet is probably one of my favorite historical helmet designs and that last example with the integrated bevor is really nice. One of these days somebody needs to organize a HEMA con and get you, Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria), Skallagrim, Metatron, LIndybeige, and Thegn-Thrand as guests. Of course the logistics of such an event would be daunting since only 2 of you live in the US and you'd (ideally) want a venue where there's room for demos/workshops and sparring practice. But if it could be one it would be pretty awesome, its a pity that I don't work in the con organizing business, or know anybody that is, otherwise I'd try to organize this myself.
I'm wondering whether the popularity of the Sallet was due to it being kind of a modular starter kit for mercenaries. Buy the Sallet now, get a bever in a few years (if you survive, of course). Though that will probably be addressed in the second video (so excited, both my wife and me).
I don't know what it is about helmets, but it seems like videos about them (yours, Metatron's, and others) are always something I could watch all day every day. I can't wait for part 2.
The one made for Maximilian is a special for the joust. By fixing the bevor directly to the helm, a lance can't open a path for splinters to pass between visor and bevor.
Once again, a really great video! I can't wait for part two. These videos are really fascinating, and the detail and depth you go to really is what I would expect to hear from a professor lecturing on armor (if that really does exist).
Well now I know how it's pronounced plus as a new sub, excellent information. The quality and delivery of these videos are superb. Also might I add your beard is of envious quality lol.
Am I the only one who is reminded of Ian from Forgottenweapons when I see Ian here? They sound similar, they have the same demeanor, they have similar speech patterns...
Interesting vid, but also fascinating to see how Ian's presentation style has evolved! Newer vids are much more fluently narrated, with the pieces of the armor more clearly identified at start, and I really appreciate how the much closer-up views of the artistic representations help to better identify figures being discussed.
Very nice videos! You are a great source for people who want to get into the subject of medieval arms and armor. I'm learning a lot from your videos. Thank you for that :) P.s: A request: Could you make a video about the milanese harness (if you have access to one)?
I was thinking the same thing when he showed one of the German sallets. The shape is certainly reminiscent of the WWI version of the stahlhelm with the flaring at the neck.
Hi!, I am wondering if you can do a video of the European closed helmet im wondering cause I've got one and I've done research but i want to know. I hope you read this comment and keep up the amazing videos!
I want my book to take place when sallets would be in common use in France. When did the visor and bevor become common or at least their first known appearances as a complete set?
please PLEASE do try, nobody ever talks about them but they're also my favourite above all. I've been wanting to commission one from a blacksmith but don't know enough about them.
THE LANNISTER HELMET AT 9:42 I just discovered your channel and finished binging GOT and always thought the Lannister helmets were the stupidest thing I've ever seen and it's only exasperated on the queen's guard helmet but I never imagined to see one so similar in actual history so thank you for enlightening me
I'm pretty sure it's a slightly later period than you generally cover, but would it be possible to get a video about the burgonet (with the falling buffe)?
I'm a bit confused about the bevoir/sallet relationship. Why was it so important to make the bevoir and sallet an integrated whole? Was it less expensive? More comfortable? More stylish? Some combination of the three?
There are only 2 close-sallets (integrated pivoting bevor) in existence that I'm aware of, and they may have been specialized helmets. So don't think of them as suddenly replacing regular sallet/bevor configurations because that's not the case. Separate bevors were still very much in use even after the close-sallet came to be, until eventually the sallet itself gave way to other styles of helmet. It is more _directly_ protective than a separate bevor to have one integrated into the helmet as it eliminates the possibility of the two gapping open, so for certain applications it might have been considered more optimal. The fully visored sallets (no bevor at all, just a big visor) seem to be relatively short-lived in the grand scheme of things, but the lessons of both the close-sallet and fully visored sallet would both directly lead to the more familiar 16th century close-helmet.
Well, there really is no definitive line. As modern people we are kind of obsessed with classifying things into mutually exclusive categories. There is way too much fluidity between one style helmet and another. A fully developed kettle hat will tend to flare out more on the sides and front than a true sallet, but they're not so dissimilar that there isn't crossover. Most barbutes from profile are really just sallets with extended protection on the face, so there's a lot of gray area.
Any plans to work on a Barbute video after Part 2 is uploaded? Should be interesting to investigate the classical influence that went into the Corinthian Barbute, as well as checking out the fixed and hinged nasal variations. I also have yet to find any particularly high quality barbute reproductions.
"I also have yet to find any particularly high quality barbute reproductions." Therein lies the problem. Yes, I definitely want to cover barbutes. I currently don't have access to a good reproduction though, and I think that's an important part of my style of presentation. I'll keep searching though!
I've seen pictures of a sallet that looks to have a gorget, it doesn't have a bevor. If you google "closed sallet" you'll see it, its easily identifiable. I also have pictures of what looks like historical examples of this type of helmet.
Toward the very end of the 15th century sallets with gorgets start appearing in artwork. A 'closed sallet' though is a sallet with an interated bevor, articulated on the same pivots as the visor like at 13:55 belonging to Max I
Sallet, salade ... in italian we have the word "celata" which is a common word meaning closed or hidden. I guess our ancestors were using the celata word to differentiate with the open helmet
@ around 2:50, in the PIP the guy on the front right seems to be wearing some kind of garment between his soft armor and plate armor. How common was this?
Knyght Errant So wearing a smock underneath plates is not something commonly done if one is wearing mail? I can't say I'm surprised. Aventail liners and an inner layer of textile on Brigs and coats of plates help with mobility by keeping the mail from binding and dragging. But a solid breast plate wouldn't really need an intermediary as it would be relatively smooth.
I can't help but wonder why the germans cared so much about neck and upper spine protection. I doubt it was just a stylistic choice, there has to have been SOME reason they accentuated it so much.
Could you spell the names of items you mention? I know it's stupid, but I can't find the second early helmet you mention. I want to spell it chelate, but I'm sure that's wrong.
Brilliant, I always get super excited whenever you bring out a new armour video! Something I've been a bit curious about: On Duerer's "The Knight, Death and the Devil" (1513), the knight seems to be wearing his sallet without a bevor, but with some kind of padding for his lower face instead. Considering how ornate the rest of his armour is, it seems unlikely that he can't afford a bevor, but it strikes me that the throat would be one of the most important places to protect well. Do you know any more about this, e.g. whether we have any evidence of this being a common practice? Are there any good reasons for not wearing a bevor?upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Duerer_-_Ritter%2C_Tod_und_Teufel_%28Der_Reuther%29.jpg
I've never handled a sallet so this is just speculation, but I would think that without a bevor it might be easier to move your head down and side to side.
It's hard to see in Durer's woodcut, but I suspect he might be wearing an articulated gorget in place of a bevor. Here's an example, but this was also a configuration seen with some sallets - harringtoncompanye.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/ulm-1482.jpg?w=620
Great, thanks! You're right, it's kind of hard to tell, but it probably is a gorget of some kind, considering the late time period. I was somewhat thrown by the fact that he doesn't seem to be wearing greaves or sabatons, either.
That is a garter, and it's specific to the images from Fiore dei Liberi's fighting treatise 'Fior di Battaglia.' The gold garter is there to show the student which figure in the image is a performing the 'remedy' to a certain attack. If the person has both a crown and a garter, they are the 'counter master' and that indicates that the figure is performing the counter to the 'remedy' It was Fiore's system of showing students who was who in certain plays of the weapon he was teaching.
I never saw why the Sallet was so popular. It just looks so incredibly vulnerable, especially to wood splinters when performing a cavalry charge. While it might be an ideal helm for its minimalist approach for men at arms/pikemen, I'd much rather wear a grand bascinet and the later armet/closed helm. Only sallet I could see being protective enough on the battlefield is a large kettle sallet/coventry style, which makes slipping a blade between the bevor and helm fairly difficult.
I know this is a video about the sallet but you mentioning the visored kettle hat leaves me with a question - was that ever worn with a bevor? Say for example in the context of a mercenary. He wears a brigandine, plate boots, greaves, and mittens. Would the visored kettle had with a bevor be a historical possibility?
Yes i know that the regular kettle hat was. But what I have not found is if the particular visored kettle hat was worn with it, in some fashion similar to this: img0.etsystatic.com/177/0/14134862/il_570xN.1142508472_ssen.jpg I can assume it was, but I don't want to go on guesses only.
This appears to be a kettle hat with sights and a bevor, worn in the German fashion of the 1430s with a kastenbrust style harness (manuscriptminiatures.com/5436/17902/). If your goal is to make something historically plausible, you'll want to start with the sources and build a kit out from there. Starting with things you like modernly and then trying to go back to sources to find them will almost always lead you away from true historical plausibility.
Okay, that sounds rather reasonable. It is just that I was curious after seeing the helmet and wondered if it was grounded in history. And since I couldn't find any evidence I thought that asking someone who knows more is an idea.
So the example you show that was made for Maximilian I. Because he was Holy Roman Emperor, would that make his helmet a Caesar's Sallet?
Now that's an oof
@@cheesychipmunk8382 nice necro, mammalian mancer
Don't know about that but I heard a rumour that new knights wore a Green Sallet, and Italian knights wore
Chiesa Sallets...
...I'll just get my coat on the way out then.
Goddammit, why did I laugh at that
Burn
such a beautiful helmet...
Vorsprung Durch Bucket... only as the host points out, it's Italian by design...most likely an ancestor of Pininfarina.
His beard just keeps growing in size and anger.
GONDOR HELMET CONFIRMED at 2:10
I always thought those little wing-a-dings on the Gondorian helmets were ridiculous (although also cool-looking), and never expected to see anything like them in real armor, but the helmet on that dude in the middle of the group in the inset picture looks exactly like the Gondorian ones.
RAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH FOR GONDOR
I love the Sallet. IMO one of the more intimidating helmets out there. It just looks damn sleek and efficient. And exudes a murderous intent.
Kids remember to eat your sallet!
get out
Azkamooski Dont neet to...
Alredy got all the pokemons 😎
but im vegan
Shrekas 2 But honey you need your iron.
Eat up!
qwerty qwerty Yeah. That iron would be for my whole life... in my livers
Your videos on medieval helmet types are how I originally found this channel so glad to see you making a new one. Always so much to learn.
Thank you!
Hey man, I was wondering if you have a certain place you frequent buying armor from? I don't know anywhere else to get recommendations from.
Do/or did, you make/made a video on the Maximillian Helmet and Sir Giles Helmet? s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/01/6c/88/016c88e72442bc999be8382931b11a81.jpg
And how is this helmet named? upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Armor_for_tilt_and_field_of_Count_Franz_von_Teuffenbach,_by_Stefan_Rormoser,_Innsbruck_Austria,_1554_-_Higgins_Armory_Museum_-_DSC05679.JPG Thanks
that second one is a frog mouthed or tilting helmet
@@bungtunger5345 Most high quality armors are custom made in private smith shops.
You'd have to probably find the closest local one on social media and meet them in-person for measurements.
Most of the best armor can't be bought online, unless you are able to commission something from a private seller.
If you absoultely need to buy top armor online, Steel Mastery seems good but they are kinda overpriced and it would cost and arm and a leg. (unless you are rich)
For lesser quality armor online there are more alternatives like Kult of Athena. However you need to be careful with Kult of Athena becasue they have a lot of bad stuff too.
When buying online just tread carefully and do your research to make sure you get a good deal.
But for top of the line gear that Ian Laspina has, is a bit more complicated to obtain.
Hope I helped, sorry for the late and vague reply...
Please pass the sallet bowl. Its time for me to attach the visor.
My favorite type of helmet. The one I have has a pierced visor and the bevor, of course. These are such beautiful pieces of work!
That like-dislike ratio is godly.
Didn't know articulated sallets existed. I want one!
My favorite helmet of the medieval period. The versatility of how you can wear a proper Sallet and Bevor is hard to beat.
Literally no dislikes. That says alot about your channel, Ian. I can't wait for more of these.
You just had to say something... and it wasn't me, just so you know.
Can't change people's stupidity.
Commenting 7 years later but CZcams decided to remove dislikes so the video's back to 0 dislikes haha@@conquistadan2069
The Sallet is the most effective and aesthetically pleasing helmet design ever made. Prove me wrong. Pro-tip: You literally can't.
The morion is effective and pleasing with it's magnificent comb,
Great video, sir. The sallet is probably one of my favorite historical helmet designs and that last example with the integrated bevor is really nice.
One of these days somebody needs to organize a HEMA con and get you, Matt Easton (Scholagladiatoria), Skallagrim, Metatron, LIndybeige, and Thegn-Thrand as guests. Of course the logistics of such an event would be daunting since only 2 of you live in the US and you'd (ideally) want a venue where there's room for demos/workshops and sparring practice. But if it could be one it would be pretty awesome, its a pity that I don't work in the con organizing business, or know anybody that is, otherwise I'd try to organize this myself.
I'm wondering whether the popularity of the Sallet was due to it being kind of a modular starter kit for mercenaries. Buy the Sallet now, get a bever in a few years (if you survive, of course).
Though that will probably be addressed in the second video (so excited, both my wife and me).
Sounds like a good theory but i always thought the helmet gained popularity because it allowed for more breathing room
+Aman G also the sallet would allow greater protection when attacking enemies who are at a higher elevation such as city wall or castel walls
I don't know what it is about helmets, but it seems like videos about them (yours, Metatron's, and others) are always something I could watch all day every day. I can't wait for part 2.
Yay, my favorite helmet! Also, omgggggg, your Pinterest, it is a treasure, all those references!!!!
Der Schaller. Thanks! I've been eagerly awaiting this video!
My jaw dropped with the last sallet, that thing is beautiful!
The one made for Maximilian is a special for the joust. By fixing the bevor directly to the helm, a lance can't open a path for splinters to pass between visor and bevor.
Excellent video concerning my favourite style of helmet! Can't wait to see more.
Once again, a really great video! I can't wait for part two. These videos are really fascinating, and the detail and depth you go to really is what I would expect to hear from a professor lecturing on armor (if that really does exist).
Starting my collection and doing more hw on original pieces now, gotta say your vids are a great starting point.
Great video as always.
Can't wait for the part 2
can't wait for part 2
sallet is best helmet
where do you get your armor? how much does it usually cost?
I think he gets it from medieval extreme, age of crafts, and ice falcon armory.
I can't get enough of these videos! :D
I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO TAKE ON SALLETS! OH MY GOD THANK YOU YOU ARE THE BEST!
i love salad! thanks for this video. was drawing this beautiful helmet, but i needed some more info!
Well now I know how it's pronounced plus as a new sub, excellent information. The quality and delivery of these videos are superb. Also might I add your beard is of envious quality lol.
ooh, my favorite helm. thanks Ian.
Am I the only one who is reminded of Ian from Forgottenweapons when I see Ian here? They sound similar, they have the same demeanor, they have similar speech patterns...
You are not the first to bring this up :) Maybe it's an 'Ian' thing
Interesting vid, but also fascinating to see how Ian's presentation style has evolved! Newer vids are much more fluently narrated, with the pieces of the armor more clearly identified at start, and I really appreciate how the much closer-up views of the artistic representations help to better identify figures being discussed.
yay, my second favorite helm after great helms! woot!
Glad to see your work in my timeline.I'd to know more in depth about millanese style and what it covers.Thanks, I apriciete your work.
The sallet at 13:40 must’ve been made for Charles V to accommodate his famous chin.
Yay, Fiore reference ! I'm still begging for a video on armour in Fiore's manuscripts :)
You got one!
Great video I learned from you than any school could possibly teach
Found your channel from Shad. Great channel.
Thank you, and welcome to the channel!
Very nice videos! You are a great source for people who want to get into the subject of medieval arms and armor. I'm learning a lot from your videos. Thank you for that :) P.s: A request: Could you make a video about the milanese harness (if you have access to one)?
I wonder if the stahlhelm was inspried by this
I was thinking the same thing when he showed one of the German sallets. The shape is certainly reminiscent of the WWI version of the stahlhelm with the flaring at the neck.
simonandfaerk both the german stahlhelm and the Dutch ww2 helmet are inspired by the sallet yes
Once again, outstanding work. Thank you!
So, as far as i get it, early sallets by no means were light easy-to-wear helmets?
Ive waited your video for dont know how long now. Been sitting near pc with my poop bucket and alot of mountain dew and dorritos. Worth the weight.
Make sure to empty the bucket every now and then! ;)
THIS is the helmet that the Stahlhelm was styled after.
Hi!, I am wondering if you can do a video of the European closed helmet im wondering cause I've got one and I've done research but i want to know. I hope you read this comment and keep up the amazing videos!
Seeing your pinterests i was wondering when this video would be out
Hey, do you plan to make a video about medieval weapons? Your video with helmets are awesome!
Yes! my favourite helmet.
Probably the best armour channel on CZcams. What were the likely reasons for the change to the Sallet?
What a stunning replica! Could you help provide info on who made it?
Regards,
John
I want my book to take place when sallets would be in common use in France. When did the visor and bevor become common or at least their first known appearances as a complete set?
I really like sallets helmets, but my favourite will always be Stechhelm (or frog-mouth helm). I don't know why nobody talks about it.
If I had access to a good one I'd love to talk about, they're also one of my favorite all-time medieval helmets.
please PLEASE do try, nobody ever talks about them but they're also my favourite above all. I've been wanting to commission one from a blacksmith but don't know enough about them.
@@Shorjok It's a beautiful helm.
My favorite is the close helm
THE LANNISTER HELMET AT 9:42
I just discovered your channel and finished binging GOT and always thought the Lannister helmets were the stupidest thing I've ever seen and it's only exasperated on the queen's guard helmet but I never imagined to see one so similar in actual history so thank you for enlightening me
what happens if you fall on your back with a sallet on? is there a danger of concussion or even a broken neck?
I'm pretty sure it's a slightly later period than you generally cover, but would it be possible to get a video about the burgonet (with the falling buffe)?
Speaking of armets & sallets, why weren't the latter given a browpiece a la armet to go along with a half-visor more often?
The coolest helmet out there.
Could you give me the date, when this 7:08 image was made? Thank you and sorry if i missed this information in your video :D
Yaaaaaay!
Great video once again! I fight in bohurt competitions, are there any extant examples of the "nasal bascinet" that's so widely popular in my sport?
Yea me too! And I want to see one on barbutes
That is a beautiful helmet :o
Lion Reichelt o:
When do we get the part 2. Ian?
please do the Norman helms and any of the Mongolian or Byzantine helms. thanks for the awesome video.
wow, that pinterest page was awesome, u rock
aside from the great video i mean
this helmet is pure elegance
I'm a bit confused about the bevoir/sallet relationship. Why was it so important to make the bevoir and sallet an integrated whole? Was it less expensive? More comfortable? More stylish? Some combination of the three?
There are only 2 close-sallets (integrated pivoting bevor) in existence that I'm aware of, and they may have been specialized helmets. So don't think of them as suddenly replacing regular sallet/bevor configurations because that's not the case. Separate bevors were still very much in use even after the close-sallet came to be, until eventually the sallet itself gave way to other styles of helmet. It is more _directly_ protective than a separate bevor to have one integrated into the helmet as it eliminates the possibility of the two gapping open, so for certain applications it might have been considered more optimal. The fully visored sallets (no bevor at all, just a big visor) seem to be relatively short-lived in the grand scheme of things, but the lessons of both the close-sallet and fully visored sallet would both directly lead to the more familiar 16th century close-helmet.
Thank you very much. That clears it up completely.
I love the sallet it is by far my favourite helmet pacifically the German sallet
Never knew the sallet had its origins in Italy... a new point of discussion over a pint at the bar.
The lobster tail is also visible in the silver ornament at 2:30 (guy on the left).
Isn't that the Dead Space helmet at 13:39?
Thanks for this series, I love medieval armor! Where is the line between a one piece visored sallet and a developed kettle helmet with sights?
Well, there really is no definitive line. As modern people we are kind of obsessed with classifying things into mutually exclusive categories. There is way too much fluidity between one style helmet and another. A fully developed kettle hat will tend to flare out more on the sides and front than a true sallet, but they're not so dissimilar that there isn't crossover. Most barbutes from profile are really just sallets with extended protection on the face, so there's a lot of gray area.
Lol, that doesn't fit well into my engineering brain. I WANT ABSOLUTES! :P
Fair enough. Thanks for the reply. Keep rocking the vids!
Any plans to work on a Barbute video after Part 2 is uploaded? Should be interesting to investigate the classical influence that went into the Corinthian Barbute, as well as checking out the fixed and hinged nasal variations. I also have yet to find any particularly high quality barbute reproductions.
"I also have yet to find any particularly high quality barbute reproductions." Therein lies the problem. Yes, I definitely want to cover barbutes. I currently don't have access to a good reproduction though, and I think that's an important part of my style of presentation. I'll keep searching though!
Would there have been sallets in the Hussite Wars?
I'm getting one of these for SCA.
I've seen pictures of a sallet that looks to have a gorget, it doesn't have a bevor. If you google "closed sallet" you'll see it, its easily identifiable. I also have pictures of what looks like historical examples of this type of helmet.
Toward the very end of the 15th century sallets with gorgets start appearing in artwork. A 'closed sallet' though is a sallet with an interated bevor, articulated on the same pivots as the visor like at 13:55 belonging to Max I
More arrows (or circles), to indicate the relevant items, in the illustrations, would be appreciated.
Did you know the Stahlhelm is based in part off of the Sallet?
Sallet, salade ... in italian we have the word "celata" which is a common word meaning closed or hidden. I guess our ancestors were using the celata word to differentiate with the open helmet
@ around 2:50, in the PIP the guy on the front right seems to be wearing some kind of garment between his soft armor and plate armor. How common was this?
This is a biblical scene, and it's trying to depict the Medieval idea of 'Roman' armor.
Knyght Errant So wearing a smock underneath plates is not something commonly done if one is wearing mail? I can't say I'm surprised. Aventail liners and an inner layer of textile on Brigs and coats of plates help with mobility by keeping the mail from binding and dragging. But a solid breast plate wouldn't really need an intermediary as it would be relatively smooth.
2:08 ... is that a winged bascinet?
I never noticed that tattoo before
those really tall bevorless sallets look quite cursed not gonna lie
I can't help but wonder why the germans cared so much about neck and upper spine protection. I doubt it was just a stylistic choice, there has to have been SOME reason they accentuated it so much.
14:30 So witcher 3 crew didnt make that up with attached bevor nice
Great content but I gotta know, where did you get that tee shirt?
Found it at Bookriot. Seriously though, great video.
Love how it just trails off :-)
Could you spell the names of items you mention? I know it's stupid, but I can't find the second early helmet you mention. I want to spell it chelate, but I'm sure that's wrong.
'celata' and 'barbuta'
Brilliant, I always get super excited whenever you bring out a new armour video! Something I've been a bit curious about: On Duerer's "The Knight, Death and the Devil" (1513), the knight seems to be wearing his sallet without a bevor, but with some kind of padding for his lower face instead. Considering how ornate the rest of his armour is, it seems unlikely that he can't afford a bevor, but it strikes me that the throat would be one of the most important places to protect well. Do you know any more about this, e.g. whether we have any evidence of this being a common practice? Are there any good reasons for not wearing a bevor?upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Duerer_-_Ritter%2C_Tod_und_Teufel_%28Der_Reuther%29.jpg
I've never handled a sallet so this is just speculation, but I would think that without a bevor it might be easier to move your head down and side to side.
It's hard to see in Durer's woodcut, but I suspect he might be wearing an articulated gorget in place of a bevor. Here's an example, but this was also a configuration seen with some sallets - harringtoncompanye.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/ulm-1482.jpg?w=620
Great, thanks! You're right, it's kind of hard to tell, but it probably is a gorget of some kind, considering the late time period. I was somewhat thrown by the fact that he doesn't seem to be wearing greaves or sabatons, either.
This helmet it's the most complicated piece of equipment I have ever wore.
I kinda reminds me of a roman legionary helmet with the slopped back.
drei means three in german btw, not sure why you kept that in the quote but not the rest of the sentence
Inventories and receipts typically list objects by number of items. That's why it simple says 'three sallets' It's just an entry on a list.
that checks out
why do so many of the manuscript images show one of people having that bronze colored ring below the knee on one leg?
That is a garter, and it's specific to the images from Fiore dei Liberi's fighting treatise 'Fior di Battaglia.' The gold garter is there to show the student which figure in the image is a performing the 'remedy' to a certain attack. If the person has both a crown and a garter, they are the 'counter master' and that indicates that the figure is performing the counter to the 'remedy' It was Fiore's system of showing students who was who in certain plays of the weapon he was teaching.
Been 2 yrs since Ian made a vid, hope he's ok...
That German kettle hat reminds me of that one guy from Fat Albert.
LOL. Never thought of it before, but you're right, it does.
Yeah, I was actually thinking the same thing. Just need to make it pink. And knit.
A pink kettle arming cap!
I never saw why the Sallet was so popular. It just looks so incredibly vulnerable, especially to wood splinters when performing a cavalry charge. While it might be an ideal helm for its minimalist approach for men at arms/pikemen, I'd much rather wear a grand bascinet and the later armet/closed helm. Only sallet I could see being protective enough on the battlefield is a large kettle sallet/coventry style, which makes slipping a blade between the bevor and helm fairly difficult.
I know this is a video about the sallet but you mentioning the visored kettle hat leaves me with a question - was that ever worn with a bevor? Say for example in the context of a mercenary. He wears a brigandine, plate boots, greaves, and mittens. Would the visored kettle had with a bevor be a historical possibility?
Kettle hats are depicted with both plate and mail bevors in iconography, usually in mid 15th c German sources.
Yes i know that the regular kettle hat was. But what I have not found is if the particular visored kettle hat was worn with it, in some fashion similar to this:
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I can assume it was, but I don't want to go on guesses only.
This appears to be a kettle hat with sights and a bevor, worn in the German fashion of the 1430s with a kastenbrust style harness (manuscriptminiatures.com/5436/17902/). If your goal is to make something historically plausible, you'll want to start with the sources and build a kit out from there. Starting with things you like modernly and then trying to go back to sources to find them will almost always lead you away from true historical plausibility.
Okay, that sounds rather reasonable. It is just that I was curious after seeing the helmet and wondered if it was grounded in history. And since I couldn't find any evidence I thought that asking someone who knows more is an idea.
Man the articulated German one looks like it’s rendered in Skyrim.