How a Superhero Theme Works
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- This is a re-upload of a video that was originally uploaded on Aug 26th 2017 but was blocked by the copyright bot
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What does your favorite hero represent?
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Also Superman's initial costume was inspired by circus strong men. So having a march for his theme works on even more levels.
YES! People always seem to forget this. Superheroes and Pro Wrestling both took inspiration from the same origin point - circus strong men. Every time I hear someone say 'the underwear looks stupid' I always point them to B.A.'s like Stone Cold or The Rock. Superhero costumes were meant to call similarly respected/feared individuals to mind! :D
@@TheDylandProductions WEll, it's not that Pro Wrestling took inspiration from that... this is where it started. Pro Wrestling used to be one of those Circus/Festival Attractions
Dyland Pictures the underwear on the outside is iconic but it also looks stupid in the modern age. Straight I swear at least, something that looks more like boxers isn’t that bad. In the case of superhero’s like batman and Superman the real benefit is breaking up the colors, which can also be done with the belt but I think there still hasn’t been a good enough middle ground cause as much as I do love the underwear the only people who could pull it off are Christopher Reeves and maybe Adam West
@@creed8712 Boxers wouldn't fit the design. A reasonable, non-oversized Belt would likely look too small... and there is no reason for supes to wear a belt.
I still can’t believe hardly anyone seems to mention this circus strong man, wrestler look even gets into Japanese animation sometimes. I’d even fathom
A guess that when Toriyama was designing what would saiyans wear for the post time skip in dragon ball he thought. Well goku (based on sun wukong the monkey king) is wearing a martial arts gi (eastern martial artist) what would his species of space
Aliens wear. Discounting the space
Armor what do all members of Frieza’s family’s planet trade organization wear. Various forms of Western wrestling/strongman attire. Such as unitards, leotards, and briefs all which bear a resemblance to various styles of spandex or Lycra form fitting clothing commonly worn by professional and amateur wrestlers.
I don’t know if it was intentional
But if so then it provides an interesting contrast in goku and vegeta in that goku is wearing the clothing of an eastern martial artist (a karate gi). And vegeta under the armor is wearing the clothing of a western martial Athlete (a wrestling unitard)
Edit: it also doesn’t hurt the frommouter space look to have saiyans wearing spandex like outfits since spandex bodysuits is a hallmark of retro sci fi so it also gives it that little bit of sci fi space man aesthetic too.
Sideways should make a leitmotif leitmotif, so that everyone starts associating leitmotifs with that leitmotif.
Added bonus, the leitmotif would end up representing itself.
Meta genius
Please YES
Hey, I came up with the same ridiculous joke! I posted it months ago on his Discord server.
I'm kind of mad that as soon as I read this, the lick popped into my head.
I like the idea of Leitmotif having it's own leitmotif. It's just very neat.
"See, It all started with the Ottoman Empire..."
Me: "Heh, funny"
Sideways: keeps going
Me: "Oh"
As a Turk even i wasn't expect to see Ottoman Empire in this video
@@baturalpdurmaz9272 Same.. I was like whaaat?! From superman to mehter... a connection that I never be able to think.
He goes on Game Theory style tangents and I love it
No literally, I also thought it was a bit and he was gonna stop himself and then he kept going and I was like well time to strap in i guess
My favorite feeling from the Superman theme is that the fanfare is a solo. It's this brassy fanfare that shows how alone Superman is as the last Kryptonian and how he has to hide from the world as Clark, but he shows up in power and majesty as Superman.
I wouldn't say he hides himself as Clark. He is Clark Kent. He sees himself as a human because that's how he's always thought of himself while still realising he isn't like everyone else and yet he still uses his powers to help people even if he doesn't have to. That's what makes Clark Kent/superman such a great character among other things
The best way I've heard it described is that "Superman is Clark Kent's Customer Service Voice". The man -is- Clark Kent, but Superman is his public persona.
Brass is too generic, that's why the Avengers theme is played on a flute using one of your nostrils
So basically SpongeBob?
Ahh the Ralph Wiggum method
? Is it like a specific flute, cause I don't play my flute with my nostrils (I use an embouchure)
Kazoo. And jaw harp.
@@Custerd1 okay thank you
Haven’t watched it yet but I bet you’re going to mention leitmotif
Its sideways what do u expect
not even two minutes in
We’ll you’re right.
We’ll you’re right.
lol.....
It's like I just can't escape how unfathomably amazing John Williams is.
I'm right there with ya
Sideways: this is why they're called horns
my mind: *blown*
the horns: blown
Me too!!
ok, as a former band child from small town USA, I did not realize how embedded marches were into American culture but you are so right....just hearing snippets of the stars and stripes forever and the other marches takes me right back to childhood and summer. Damn.
Another thing to add about Superman's theme. The rhythmic piece the orchestra plays(Da-nana Da-nana na na na na na) is supposed to represent the clacking sounds a Typewriter makes, representing the stories told about him and his role at the Daily Planet. So it's the theme for _both_ Superman and Clark Kent.
Coplandesque music is extremely appropriate to Superman for another reason: Superman was created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster who, like Copland, were first-generation Americans born to Jewish immigrants. The idea of Superman is meant to inspire confidence in the American dream, even and especially among people who feel alien in America.
I'd also like to mention that we get a touch of Captain America's leitmotif in Avengers End Game. It's the scene where he picks his shield up for the first time since Civil War.
While I love John Williams score for Superman, I'm a 90s kid. To me, Superman's theme will always be the damned animated series' opening titles music. That is a march too. Doesn't have a fanfare, just opens with the heroic horns, then follows the strings interlude with images of his past and present family and Lois Lane and the end of the theme literally three notes repeated with a different bass note and images of Lex Luthor. The conclusion of the theme literally says, "keep going, keep being good, things will get tough, but persevere and you will win.
"We, as Americans"
me, not American: 😳
You’re missing out.
Edit: my initial grammar was awful.
Non-inclusive we
@@Amory-wd3ws ..am I?
@@francesatty7022 .. it depends
@Frances Fatty your not this place sucks
Elfman's Spider-Man theme will always be iconic to me, I get chills every time.
What I love about it is that in some parts, the music sound like a spider spinning its web, and in other parts, it sounds like it's swinging just like Spiderman.
But I think he didn't make it stand out enough, cause to me Elfman's Spiderman theme will always be the piece with all the strings that sounds JUST LIKE A WEB and it still blows my mind that I can hear a spider webbing in that music.
Maybe he sould have used more intruments rather than making it a horn solo, but then that would go against the whole "friendly neighborhood Spiderman" idea.
i love his theme in Ang Lee's Hulk.
The best superhero theme. My second favorite theme after Hedwig's Theme.
@@koichidignitythief7429 Exactly, but to me, the first melody us more like spiders walking than spinning a web. I guess they're doing both.
Then thee swinging melody is perfect, you can just imagine the city laying underneath a hovering Spidey.
Superheroes are born not Created
Unless you practice your own Superhero Theme for 40 Hours a day
Ling ling super hero confirmed
Lol ling ling 40 hours!
Damn it twoset
Superheroes can play 15 notes a second
A villian once said, "If you can play it slow..."
One way Marvel could've done the "group up" vs "solo" themes is that each hero either:
has a main instrument in their theme, be it an electric guitar (iron man), brass (Captain America) or drums (Black Panther), and when they're grouped up, the theme is comprised of those instruments, and when they're solo, the theme is more than just that one instrument
or
each one has a leitmotif associated with them that the group theme is built out of
and they could use either style to show when a character is the focus while still in a group setting (the instrument comes forward or the leitmotif does)
That’s what I was thinking.
That thought gave me more serotonin then I thought it would
i think id like watching marvel movies if they did that
that would be way too ‘in your face’ and borderline funny for me but i understand a lot of people sound like theyd like it so wh waddayouknow
that's what was done in across the spiderverse and it worked wonderfully
The last part when the Punisher is mentioned, and you asked if you would still use a march for him, I would say yes. The Punisher is a Marine, a veteran of the United States military, so a theme for him would be a march (possibly based on Semper Fidelis) but in a minor key due to his dark past and his brutal methods. You could even put a minor key choir version of the Marine's Hymn in a scene where his past comes back in a bitter sweet way to accompany the theme to remind the audience of his past and present the idea that he wasn't always a violent vigilante. (The choir part came to mind purely due to the fact that my background is as a vocalist and not as someone who knows how to play any instruments and I know that the human voice can be very versatile to convey emotion and abstract thoughts)
I would like to think it would be some kind of twisted version of a marching band, like with the irregular time signatures used in horror music, just to represent the Punisher as a corruption of those American ideals of “fighting for what is right”. It would be like the musical equivalent of walking in on a zombified family member.
Sideways 2017: "This whole franchise, as of right now, cannot construct anything that even comes close to this incredibly moving train scene."
Sideways 2019: PORTALS IS THE GREATEST PIECE OF MUSIC OF ALL TIME
It is currently 2020
@@thebrutusmars Yeah but I thought he made the video about Endgame in 2019
WaterlemonTheArtist
I left this comment before I finished the video and I thought that was a reference to this one lmao sorry
It is the greatest peice of music ever composed
because it's Linkin Park
"But would you still structure his theme like a march? Would you even use brass? Does that mean, he's still a hero?"
Chills man. Straight chills.
Frank Castle was a Vietnam War vet and a police officer. Considering that most of his "punishments" use military-grade weaponry and ...enhanced interrogation techniques... you bet yer ass I'd use a march. :)
Great another "Batman shouldn't kill people" even though this is not only meant to be a different take on the bazillion versions of him, but no one bats an eye (pun intended) when the other versions, Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, and Bale, do kill people.
Also, Batman doesn't make all of his equipment. Fuck, one of the plot points in the Dark Knight Trilogy was that Bruce got all his gear from Lucius.
@@koichidignitythief7429 And that's a terrible take on batman.
And why exactly? because of the aforementioned ", he shouldn't kill people no matter what even if they're mass murders" or "Zack Snyder doesn't know anything about comics because I have a different taste in comics" or is it because of some stupid meme shit like Martha and Do You Bleed?
@@koichidignitythief7429 Batman doesn't kill the Joker who IS a literal serial killer but kills rando thugs ok cool cool
Spider-Man: Homecoming = Daddy issues, or something. Best summary I've ever heard. 😂
Robin Yup, same for Spiderverse.
@@christianbjorck816 spiderverse is a more coming of age movie, no daddy issues, really not sure where you got that :?
작은 홉이 The whole underlying plot is Miles whining about his dad not putting his ”art” on the fridge
Spiderman: Daddy Issues
Most MCU heroes have Daddy issues. DCEU has mommy issues like in Aquaman.
Would love a conversation in this vein about the various Star Trek themes. There's so much idealism about democracy and collaboration and adventure within the shows.
Thank you
I second that.
Yeah, some of the songs featured in this video, especially the Fanfare of the Common Man, remind me a lot of the opening themes to Next Gen and Voyager
'"I mean this isn't rocket surgery."'
Edit: If anyone is confused I just got it from what he said in the video, I didn't know it was from something else
Classic
I believe that is called a malaphor.
Lol i can't stop imagining this
"Sorry sir we will need to perform an apollo 12 on you"
That threw me for a loop for a second, NGL.
@Alexander Supertramp I assume there's some joke there that I'm missing?
Bucky's 'Winter Soldier' theme is one of my favourites in the MCU. It only really works for Bucky in his tormented, conflicted state though.
@Mitchell Howell I'd love to hear that, some kind of horn-filled superhero theme with industrial sounds added in
I just made a comment like this! Really different and recognizable
The theme is literally Bucky’s scream from when he falls of the freight car in the mountains. It’s just made to sound mechanized to represent the “Winter Soldier”
@@sia6045 Yeah I found this out literally yesterday! At about 25 secs in you can hear Steve shout 'no!' too. It's like the theme is all Bucky's memories, twisted and distorted as he tries to hang onto them. It's heartrending, I love it.
That theme is literally just one note, though... Which, I guess, makes it a perfect representation of Bucky's character :)
"there's a passage in the Bible about horns being used to signal something"
I don't even know where to start with this 😂😂😂
Just the one?😂😂😂
I love how from 22:48 to 23:11 Sideways just digs into Affleck's Batman on a musical level and brings out the exact truth that none of the adrenaline junkies who like that character would want to admit.
The original version of this got taken down? That just ain't right. I'm watching it through again cuz you're awesome, your material is awesome, all badass brass moments are awesome, and leitmotif's are.... undoubtedly... awesome. Good day sir. Keep up the good work.
I was wondering why there was no Batman music!
No One:
Sideways: Truth, justice and the American way
In* the American way
If you listen closely it’s actually “Truth n’ justice n’ the American way”
Y'all really out here nitpicking at my meme F in pieces
Can we acknowledge just how beautiful late seventies/early eighties films photographed? That slightly hazy, kind of grainy, super-saturated nonsense is just *cheff's kiss*
also, the Sousa brought out the horrified memories of the time I worked at a coffee shop, and the owner had us play John Phillip Sousa all day. All. Damn. Day.
John Philip Sousa also gave us the Liberty Bell March, which is better known for being the Monty Python's Flying Circus theme song.
Wow; you resisted an entire minute and 39 seconds before you said "leitmotifs"! I'm so proud of you!
So I've been listening to the Avengers: Age of Ultron score lately and it's actually very interesting. Particularly the song New Avengers by Danny Elfman. At the very beginning I can hear something similar to the Captain America March theme by Alan Sylvestri, and just a but later I hear something that resembles Iron Man 3 by Brian Tyler for...Iron Man 3. And, of course, it alludes to The Avengers theme by Alan Sylvestri as well. I think you should definitely make a video on it, or at least give it a listen.
Note: I can also hear a string section that makes me think of Danny Elfman's Spider-Man theme, but that might be an "Easter egg" from Danny.
Yeah I noticed some of each Avengers themes played during Danny's composition, like the Brian Tyler Iron Man 3 theme when Hulk buster appears
Danny Elfman was one of the few skilled people who got to score in the MCU, so of course he tied other movies into his.
As for your "Easter Egg," I doubt it was intentional... it sounds like you're hearing his sound... like how you can tell a John Williams score is a John Williams score, or how you can tell Danny Elfman, Hans Zimmer, Alan Silvestri, etc did the music without checking the credits.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere they both had a part in the score. Tyler wrote the bulk of the score for the battle scenes and things like that, but the main theme (the brilliant piece that plays during the credits that sounds VERY Spiderman-esque) was written by Elfman.
They are both credited for the score on IMDB.
I read that Silvestri also briefly suggested to incorporate the other heroes' respective themes in the 'Infinity War' score but it fall through.
@@Chablar89 Yes, they did both score the film. But regardless, I just wanted to point it out for Sideways when he was talking about the Marvel movies.
“Fledermaus” LITERALLY means “flying mouse” but it’s the German word for “bat” :)
How's fleder flying?
I don't know about German, but "fladder" in Swedish's "fladdermus" means "flutter" or "flap".
Flap mouse.
Extraterrestrial Horse I MADE A STUPID. YOU’RE RIGHT. SORRY, IT’S “FLUTTER” NOT “FLYING.” It’s been a while since I took German ;_;
“Flittermouse” is an archaic word for bat in English. Undoubtedly came to us through English’s German roots.
From what very little I know about German (as in, schadenfruede, berg, nouns are capitalized, and some stuff I just googled), compound words are either incredibly literal or incredibly abstract. The word for "glove" would translate literally to "handshoe." On the other end, there's "Ohrwurm," which refers to a song stuck in one's head, and is likely the origin of the English word "earworm." "Schadenfruede" (harmjoy) is in a similar category.
I'd argue Giacchino *does* have a leitmotif for Spider-Man. The six-note melody is played by strings as his fingers drum the table and he glances towards the clock for school to end, or by brass as he rushes towards Washington Monument to save his friends. It's surprisingly similar to Vulture's in a classic shadow self kinda way, except Vulture's has more percussion. But also, Holland's Spider-Man differs from the previous iterations because it approaches the theme of responsibility in a more coming-of-age story of balancing all your obligations, rather than the more self-sacrificing approaches Maguire and Garfield's Spider-Man stories take.
I’ve learned more abt music theory from Sideways than in my choir and orchestra classes and I love it
K.K. Fairbanks Art well this is the super fun stuff. The only theory I’ve learned in music class is scales and rhythms.
I'd argue that the 1966 Batman intro is the most fitting Batman theme.
Think about it. It perfectly Captures how Batman catches criminals. A fast pased build up; which corresponds to batman chasing/stalking the criminal; then the word "Batman" meaning to say that Batman has made his move.
Interesting. The batman logo for the originals series is also similar to the POW and ZAP bubbles that come up when Batman strikes. It's a consistent theme in batman iconography as well as music.
Batman theme in Mask of the Phantasm 😉
@@Braxant I came here to say this. Mask of the Phantasm's theme is an absolutely perfect representation of Batman's character
I liken it more to surf music, but it's still cool.
Theme from Tim Burton's Batman was the best imo
Drinking game, everytime that clip of superman saying "truth, justice, and the American way" take a shot.
This video made me really appreciate what Yuuki Hayashi did for All Might's theme in My Hero Academia. Having it in a march just fits with his plus ultra levels of American vibes he gives. Also, "Young All Might" is better than "You Say Run". Change my mind.
I know you can't cover every super hero movie, though I kinda wish you'd brought up the spider-verse music. That horn theme mixed with the rap sound gets me every time
He has a video about that The Sound of Spiderverse
ngl the only superhero theme from the MCU I remember is Ant-Man's, and I adore the use of huge contrasts to indicate his size-shifting powers as well as how Scott usually alternates between stealth and sabotage as Ant-Man and manpower and destruction as Giant- Man, as well as giving him an edge of nobility for a man who rose to the occasion when he has to and doesn't bask in any kind of glory, because he's just doing the right thing (mmmost of the time.)
Maybe I just really like Ant-Man.
I like Ant Man too. It may be unpopular opinion, but I like Ant Man more than Guardians of the Galaxy. Also, the music is really good, I agree.
I think 'Ant-Man' falls as one of MCU's weakest films (Ironic given my profile picture), but Christophe Beck's work in it is grossly overlooked.
My personal favorite is the 'Guardians of the Galaxy' theme though.
Debney's theme (most pronounced in Monaco Mayhem) is my favorite Iron Man theme, even though the best score of that trilogy is Tyler's Iron Man 3 (and I prefer Tyler's Thor theme over Doyle's). Djawadi's score for Iron Man 1, especially evidenced in the video clip, is just so much faux rock, I was begging for AC/DC to take over, and I don't like that band either (bust out some Slayer, people!!!).
@@peterfrank3365 I think the first Ant Man was really good. Maybe the 2nd could be considered the weakest.
@@star-ks3bs They both are rather weak, especially as to what Edgar Wright could've brought.
Kudos to Sideways for noticing and memorizing a piece of music in a Marvel movie.
I LOVE Captain America: Winter Soldier. It's one of my favorite films of all time, and I think Henry Jackman did some phenomenal work with the score. I can definitely see how the Winter Soldier's theme laid the musical groundwork for what ultimately became the incredibly tense theme of the Prowler in Spiderverse. That said, I did find it odd that they didn't incorporate any of the music from The First Avenger into Winter Soldier, especially since they reprised that original leitmotif in Thor: The Dark World in that brief moment when Loki turns into Captain America after Thor releases him from confinement. It actually seemed like the MCU was going to commit to maintaining more leitmotifs throughout its phases, and then the whole practice ceased unceremoniously.
Start your ‘leitmotif mentions’ counters everybody!
If you listen, Elfman's Batman is an inverted form of Also Sprach Zarathustra. That tune is iconic for it indicating a big reveal to shock and awe. Kinda fitting for a character who comes out of the shadows to frighten the villains.
Funny enough my favorite Superhero theme is probably the recent one for Wonder Woman; is epic but at the same time electric and empowering... you feel like throwing a tank or taking bullets with your bracelets and really does a great job pumping her scenes.
her theme is so badass
Yess, I love her theme so much
"I mean, this isn't rocket surgery"
10/10
Beautiful, I'm gonna start using that
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a very subtle nod to How It Should Have Ended's video on Venom
YES ITS BACK BABY
I have never thought of or realized any of this before in music in the movies. Never would have considered the horns or march part of America or how that is why it's represented in Supermans's theme. I thought "Fanfare for the Common Man" was just the Apollo 13 movie theme...
Glad to be learning all of this and being able to enjoy the new nuances of movies I have enjoyed.
Quick question: Isn't using the Spider-Man theme from the 60's cartoon in the beginning of Spider-Man Homecoming technically just using a leitmotif that most people associate with Spider-Man?
Pretty much. Spider-Man 2 used it too.
The Spider-Man homecoming theme is not the 60s one, it's this one.
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A lot of the MCU callouts to old themes for the characters (Iron Man's ringtone in Iron Man 1 is the OLD theme song from a very cheap and very bad cartoon from the 60s) are really just easter eggs. Spider-Man is kind of a rare exception because the old theme song (which has somehow managed to stick to the character despite basically nobody who grew up with THAT version of Spider-Man making pop culture decisions anymore) is worked into NEW music for those films. In those cases, it does behave more like a leitmotif. Honestly, thinking on it, if you REALLY stretch, you can almost hear the 'classic' theme in the 90s cartoon's theme. If you pressure wash the 90s of that theme, you can hear the notes of the "spider-man, spider-man" underneath. Or maybe that's just me.
@@aradraugfea6755 "Pressure wash the 90s" 🤣
That was way funnier to me than it should've been.
I’ve never seen superman but the amount of times sideways has mentioned this movie in his videos has convinced me to watch it
dude it’s amazing please watch it
I gotta say, I absolutely LOVE the Buzz Lightyear theme
It's kinda interesting cuz I once saw a video a couple of months ago where someone edited scenes from the first avengers movie but instead of the usual music, they put in each avengers personal leitmotif. It wasn't until THAT scene (you know the one) where when they all come together, the music comes together and creates the avengers theme proper. I'd suggest to try to find it but CZcams be CZcams lol
No one:
Sideways: *constructs 23 minute video completely designed to take a shot at Batfleck*
Truly!! What was even the point of that.
@@bradsw206 to prove he didn't understand the movie at all...
I also really saw the score for BvS and MoS as really meaningful and nuanced. Superman's score is in C major, establishing score before using God chords in the chorus. Zod was C minor, antithesis of Superman thematically. Lex was A (harmonic) minor, inversion of C major. Batman was E harmonic minor before modulating to G Aeolian, E minor part is his rage and anger, G minor represents his trauma and tragedy and they both coincide to say something about him falling to rage.
Also, using Supes old theme before the flight wouldn't make any sense. That scene where he emerges from the pod isn't his birth scene but a step to his birth. His birth occurs when he snaps Zods neck. The leitmotif for Kal's birth gets repeated in that scene.
Also the tonal colours of Kal's suite in MoS is very earthly and orchestral, giving off a metallic sheen. Zods suite is very electronic and distorted to represent distance and the stars IMO.
I also think a brass march is really generic.
Personally, the whole "branding criminals" thing reminds me of Lobster Johnson from the Hellboy comics. I'm not even going to talk that reboot from last year.
Totally out of place. Sideways really went full snyder hater in this one haha. It really wouldn’t fit within the context of the film. And honestly fanfares for superhero are really starting to be a bit cheezy nowadays.
Every time I hear the Superman theme my eyes tear up a lot. Superman represents the purest good you can be and that always gets to me.
me: Hey this seems familiar
Description: "This is a re-upload of a video that was originally uploaded on Aug 16th 2017"
I thought I was having Deja Vu or something
NOOOO! THE ORIGINAL GOT TAKEN DOWN!? THAT WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITE CZcams VIDEOS!
Love the name and profile pic! Isn't he a bit like you and me-ee-ee? :)
The ending question of whether or not these big budget hollywood movies can create a lasting memorable theme, and simply ending the video with the intro to "Fanfare for the common Man" is such a huge mic drop
the ending scene with superman walking majestically with copland's score elevating his rise to glory legit had me in tears
You made this whole video just so you can take a dig at the Schneider Batman while still being extremely informative about the topic?
I respect it
He wasn't that informative, the problem with his video is that he AVOIDED Zimmer work because the Nolan and Snyder movies broke his argument. Specially Wondy's theme. The OST of those movies were fantastic and not as derivative as the forgettable stuff in the MCU
I watched this again to support you in light of the copyright issues, and it’s so interesting how the Avengers managed to turn things around musically by doubling down on the main theme in Infinity War and Endgame.
"What does this hero stand for/fight for?" Interesting - considering Tony Stark's character development through the Avengers films was complex and thorough. None of the other heroes had such a dramatic character development and, dare I say, metamorphosis. He was a completely different person by Endgame.
He learned from his mistakes.
Man that Spider-Man leitmotif sounds just like the music in Cats' Memory right before the iconic "touch me it's so easy to leave me" line
I spent 4 minutes thinking I was having a crazy deja vu until I finally noticed it was re-upload
Description says: "This is a re-upload of a video that was originally uploaded on Aug 16th 2017 but was blocked by the copyright bot"
Side note: Sousa also wrote the 'Liberty Bell March', a piece of which was used as the opening music for Monty Python's Flying Circus, and appears in SpaceX's video 'Hoe Not To Land A Rocket'.
This is a perfect example of why the multiple songs during the clone wars are so frickin awesome, the music gave the clones a butt ton of characterization and the music was just outright good
Hm something about this seems...familiar?
Brandon Soya yeah it’s a reupload, the original got copyright stricken :)
Must be the leitmotif
@Eduardo Rivero Mejía That's because it is!
"Truth, Justice, The American Ways"
**proceeds to kills Vietnamese 'trees'**
and give cancer to American Troops
@@koichidignitythief7429 : Now now, the cancer-causing effects of agent orange weren't known at the time -- and when they were discovered, they stopped using it.
@@rogermwilcox The American government knew what Agent Orange could do and they said nothign to the American soldiers who practically lived in it.
@@koichidignitythief7429 So here I am, reading Agent Orange and inaccurately thinking of Larfleeze😂
Are you a vietnamese tree?
AHHH!!! I so badly just wanna create a giant personal project for all of the films, that basically creates a constant consistency with all of the themes, ideas, motifs, and playing around with the way that it can be put into a team, be broken apart, have new instances of different people coming in, and maybe creating a new, more fluid genre of music for it that throws out some of the major constraints that the straight up march music poses. I have no idea, I’ve been thinking about it for years, but I feel it would also discredit the ALREADY majorly unnoticed composers.
As someone with a music degree, I love the way this channel reviews my education while also teaching me new things
I like wonder woman's theme
A great example of having a hero's and villian's motif opose each other is Lord of The Rings.
Jaime Altolozano has an awesome analisis of each of the movies, their motifs and their symbolism.
I think it’s also important to point out that Copland was also riding on the back of Dvorak’s Symphony for the New World (new world symphony), which was commissioned by the US to help establish a uniquely American composing style like many European countries had. Dvorak and Copland both use these large open chords (usually 5ths), which Dvorak used to symbolize the huge open expanse of your country at the time.
would never ever have noticed the responsibility motif appearing in No Way Home had it not been for how carefully u broke it down in this video. it was so cool to hear Giacchino quote the original Elfman score-one of the movie’s best intertextual moments. only worked for me cuz i’d seen this. i appreciated it.
I just needed this, I was making my own version of a anime protagonist's main theme and that character entire arc consists of him wanting to become a hero
“ I mean this isn’t rocket surgery”
Like I'm aware of how legendary John Williams is, but I cant be the only one who is shocked. One man is responsible for the music of star wars, Jurassic park, e.t. jaws, superman, Indiana Jones, etc.ONE HUMAN ALL THESE ICONIC PIECES OF MUSIC
John Williams was clearly directly influenced by Wagner & Djvorak. You can often hear quotes from their work in his music.
I love the Man of Steel theme... Because, if the main go for Reeve's Superman is to build a caracter who represents "Truth, Justice and The American Way", The main go of Man of Steel is to build a caracter who represents Hope!
Iron Man has had more than 3 themes:
1. Electric guitar theme from the first Iron Man.
2. A more classical-sounding theme in Iron Man 2.
- In the Avengers, Iron Man is introduced with music that sounds like a mix of the previous two movies, but with a very soft, generic melody.
3. In Iron Man 3, he gets a more dramatic theme, with a french horn leitmotif, which is carried over into Age of Ultron since the two movies share a composer.
- In Civil War he has a little leitmotif but not a main theme, similar to most of the music in that movie. (which I actually feel is fitting for a cinematic universe since they can very easily carry over between films)
4. In Spider-Man: Homecoming he gets a very heroic theme, which makes sense since Peter is looking up to him.
- In Infinity War, he and Pepper get a little theme in the park scene, but after that scene, the theme is dropped.
5. In Endgame there is a recurring theme, though it does not apply to him as much as his death. It plays clearly during his first scene in the movie and at the funeral.
Oh sorry, spoilers I guess.
Anyways that's anywhere from 5 to 8 themes for one character, some of which are in the same series. If Marvel wants memorable music, they should repeat leitmotifs and character themes more often (though I suppose they've started doing that with their newer movies)
The original Iron Man theme is clearly the best and the only memorable one.
Does that mean Shoot to thrill of what he is trying to make his theme music?
Honestly the Iron Man 3 theme is the best one. They should've used that one a lot more since that movie was all about establishing the identity of Iron Man, being the Man and not the Suit.
Since you reposted this, can you answer your questions at the end? Can you talk about Man of Steel and BvS??? I mean John Williams Superman theme is iconic, but Zimmerman's 'Flight' is FREAKING AMAZING!!!
And exactly! This batman is conflicted. It's a timeline with dead Robins, and Bruce he's giving up hope in people doing the right thing. While Clark in this iteration is the obligated hero. He rescues people even though there's so much criticism. He exhibits a Labor of Love. Batman's theme in BvS resembles an impending vengeustice that ultimately gets stopped when Clark uses his mother's name against him. (At the beginning of the fight, he calls him "Bruce" not batman, so he knows what happened to his parents, as a good reporter should)
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Sideways: leitmotif :)
i find it kind of hilarious how Sideways was saying stuff like "no Marvel superhero is recognizable through theme alone, you're never gonna come close to the emotional impact of that scene from Spider-Man"
meanwhile there's a hundred people bawling their eyes out whenever they listen to Cap's theme and geeking out over Tony's or hyper-analyzing every melody of Bucky's
serious talk, i think the themes of the heroes in each movie are more based on the actual *movie*, holding the tone and plot of the movie rather than the hero's personal goals or personality. thats why you can still catch parts of Cap's original theme from the first movie in the second one, and its used at the moments that make it powerful and meaningful.
There are 3 superhero themes that are *THE* themes for their respective superheroes. Those themes? The ‘78 Superman theme, the ‘89 Batman theme and the ‘67 Spiderman theme. There are many themes for those heroes, but those 3 represent them the best. You can’t argue with that.
I just want to put this out here. I will NEVER get tired of gargantuan brass fanfares representing superheros or good guys. In fact, one of the main reasons I play trombone is because of compositions like The Imperial March and Hans Zimmer's score for Pirates of the Caribbean.
My three cents:
1) for the Superman theme I would argua that the 'purity' of the fanfare - it only uses a perfect fifth and an octave, like Richard Strauß at the beginning of "Also sprach Zarathustra" - also represents the purity of Supermans character.
2) 13:32 why didn't you say "DARK night"? That would have been the perfect pun. :-(
3) fuck copyright bots.
Yeah I always that John William's Superman March was directly inspired by Zarathustra. Also Hanz Zimmer's score for "Man of Steel" appears to be based off the same concept, and is in the same key as both of the other compositions.
Williams' "Love Theme" for Superman is also very Straussian - it's thisclose to one of the melodies from "Death and Transfiguration" while The "March of the Villains" sound like Prokofiev.
I've seen this before, but I'll watch it again because it's just that good.
My favorite heroic music is You Say Run from My Hero Academia. Of course, it capitalizes on the brass. But it also makes use of the odd choice of an electric guitar and a drum set. They set a fast-paced, badass tempo. You wouldn't think they go with a heroic theme, but it SOOO works. It also makes use of violins in the parts of the theme for the emotional moments in the fight scene.
The Incredibles Theme is the best superhero music on its own when separated from the superheroes, on its own its really good.
I wish people didn't hate on MoS and BvS so much. Superman's theme in both is so so beautiful and deep in its own sense. And Wonder Woman's theme introduced in BvS is also phenomenal. Plus, Lex even has a theme in BvS that perfectly describes his character! These themes are so unique and amazing as well.
I agree, people love to shit on those movies using older versions of the characters as standards, but they're not their old versions. Cavill's Superman isn't Reeve's, Affleck's Batman isn't Keaton or Bale's, Gadot's WW isn't Lynda's WW, they're their own.
IMO Zimmer's Superman Theme fits Cavill perfectly, a more introspect and reflective approach, more connected to his own emotions as an alien on Earth, and I really don't think Williams's one fit on him, and to think that in some way is a bad thing is just dangerously nostalgic.
Just something really cool about Lex's theme is that it is a distorted version of Superman's motif, mixed with a little influence of Mozart's Lacrimosa. That's really cool!
American: It's a reminder of our warlike past.
Everyone else: Past?...
Tecnically a milisecond in the past is still past.
War economy ftw
@@LordOfTheTermites I mean I guess you're correct
I also think there is a component of ‘does it fit the hero on the outside?’
Spider-Man's themes are usually very energetic, lighthearted and not powerful but emotional. Electro has dubstep electronics and voices in his head. Ant-Man starts out small and simple, just little staccato notes (which also sounds infiltration/mission like), and then BAM the orchestra kicks in, like Scott turning normal for the attack. Thor sounds majestic and Royal. I'm not sure how to describe how the Man of Steel music works, but it does, very.. Floaty. Why So Serious? really nails the Joker for the entire nine minutes
While not a true superhero theme in a movie, Jonathan Joestar's theme sticks in my head as a really effective superhero theme just like the ones in this video, especially through association in how its used
Yo can we talk about how captain America’s theme comes back in Endgame...
I know I'm a year late for this comment, but I went searching for it. When he picks up the shield for the first time and you hear that motif, your heart takes a double pump. It was amazing. Then you get the mjolnir scene. For those who know, that moment made most of us long-standing fans fist pump and silently "yes!" in our chairs. Even to this day, that scene still excites me.
At this moment, no one in the world has finished watching this video
It's a re-upload so a few might remember some of it
You should totally do a video on Godzilla music! Bear McCreary's score for Godzilla: King of the Monsters was fantastic and it could be interesting to look at it in the context so many other Godzilla scores, like Ikufube's original, Andre Desplat's from 2015 or Shirō Sagisu
's score for Shin Godzilla in 2016. Godzilla has an older musical theme than even James Bond, so it could be interesting to explore!
Sideways: John Phillip Sousa wrote Stars and Stripes are Forever.
Me: *has flashbacks to playing that song every year in high-school for concert band competitions*
Now that Endgame and Infinity War came out since this video was uploaded, I can safely say one of the most powerful Marvel motifs I've ever heard is the Vormir piece. It is used in both the movie's main sacrifices at Vormir, and it gives you the exact same feeling of grief and dread as it did in Infinity War.
Love the video. Also wanna give a shout out to Batman V Superman's soundtrack where they managed to give each main character a leitmotif. Superman' MOS theme returns, batman has his new dark &gothic theme, Lex luthor's theme reminds you of a deranged person, Wonder Woman's theme represents badassery, and Doomsdays theme is end-of-the-world like.
But the important part is that not only do they get leitmotifs, but those same leitmotifs change and develop as the film goes on to suit the story.
Wonder Woman’s starts out quiet, subtle, and mysterious, and by the end of the film it’s loud, powerful and electric when she goes full warrior goddess mode on Doomsday.
Superman’s music is soft in gentle moments, both as Clark and Superman, somber in moments where he doubts himself, and ultimately heroic and powerful when he decides to come back and do the right thing, building to a really powerful reworking when he sacrifices himself.
And Batman’s theme. OH, Batman’s theme. By far the best part of this movie’s score for me. Because it perfectly encapsulates what makes Ben Affleck’s Batman different from all the others before and after him. Holkeborg’s Batman theme is written like a straight up VILLAIN theme, with variations that go from loud and powerful, demonstrating Bruce’s rage and hatred, to slow and somber, showcasing his depression and tragedy, to even having moments where it sounds like something straight out of a horror movie, which is probably how most of the criminals he faces feel when meeting him. Like they’re coming face to face with a demon. It all perfectly captures this darker, angrier, more bitter, more jaded, and lawless Batman who’s abandoned all of his morals and code, fighting for the sake of fighting, and having lost all faith in humanity.
Luthor’s theme probably gets the least to do variation wise, but it is nice that it can be quieter or louder depending on how directly Luthor is involved in a scene. When his plan is unfolding in grandiose ways, his theme plays loud and bombastically, while his more subtle and sinister moments are accompanied by equally subtle renditions of the motif. Plus, any time Snyder is cuing us in to what parts of the story are directly parts of Luthor’s plan, we get to hear his music play.
Honestly I want Sideways to do a whole video just on this movie, but I doubt he will. It would be amazing if he did, though.
@@Gojirawars03 I didn't really think about the musical in the film because I was too focused on how stupid that film was and how it greatly misrepresented the characters. Especially superman.
@@mattyt3625 I’m so sorry that was your thought process. The rest of us were enjoying a fantastic comic book film with an exceptional score.
@@Gojirawars03 the rest of us? You must not have paid much attention to the film then and how it misunderstands the characters, especially the superman characters. The music would be great because it's Hans Zimmer I believe but that doesn't save the film from being laughably bad
@@mattyt3625 Actually understands and explores the characters substantially _better_ than most other film depictions of them, but yeah, because it tries to be different, that automatically made it awful, right?
Whatever, I’m not here to tell you you’re wrong for disliking it. It’s still your opinion on it either way. But for me and plenty of other people, it’s a great watch that really explores the sort of impacts these legends would have on a realistic world.
I always interpret the initial fast arpeggio intro strings in Elfman’s Spider-Man theme which you can hear multiple times throughout the films as spiders crawling, and the main theme sounds like the melody is swinging somehow.
Thanks for the reupload! I get chills every time the Copland music plays; he was my grandpa’s favorite composer and now I can truly appreciate why. (P.S. Of course it’s the Marines playing in most of the military marching clips. They love them some pomp.)
2:56 omg i got the chills
I used to watch this with my dad and brother every year when its christmas