How to write a timetable
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- 🎬 Planning a timetable is like a giant jigsaw puzzle, with pieces all over Britain.
But what happens when something like a landslip or strikes means we need a whole new puzzle❓
Chris Denham explains ...
#RailwayExplained
I feel like I've seen this Chris chap in a Geoff marshal video or 7 😂
Yeah man same!
Kris Marshall. He was also in Death in Paradise, which I’m sure had a train in one of the UK-located episodes.
Why is he so lovely? (Or does one ask "How is he so lovely?"? Sorry, I'm not a native.)
That is what I keep wondering.
Chris Green was in most of the senior railway roles at one time or another. A truly excellent Chris.
And still helping troubleshoot in today's industry
Great video! It would be fascinating for network rail to run their computers to work out if HS2 was to be completed in full (eastern leg included) what timetable the whole network could run. Find out the real statistics for capacity increase
That's a fantastic question.
There has been so much pushback against HS2, on the "it's only for rich Londoners who want to get to Birmingham a few minutes quicker" front, that, I think detailed provisional timetables, really would help win over, specific passengers on specific train services, that could gain more trains.
What I would love to see the local cities fighting for, is funding - right now - to buy their own electrified level boarding trains, to gain the maximum benefit, form HS2's capacity release. Sadly, I think people are only really going to see the potential, when Network Rail starts to release new Birmingham timetables, for the post-HS2 arrival year.
People have to do training courses, to learn how to work in the rail industry, and I actually think that hypothetical tiimetable plans, would be a great way to get university students ready to work on proper timetables.
I also think that the railway unions should put out their own hypothetical timetables, showing how services could be improved, with more trains, electrification, bottleneck removals, and so on. If the experts working for the railways, bypassed the managers, and made the local people understand what things like doubling single lines could do, the public would be more likely to demand increased investment in the railways, and block the current government plans to run down health and safety checks, for the next financial period.
Computer says 'no'!
Gotta love Chris
Also bad weather can play part in the railways and cause lots of disruptions especially snow, flooding and buckled tracks due to hot weather in the summer.
But very interesting to know on how timetables do work when there are engineering works taking place. Very interesting insight Network Rail.
In "Train Planning" (the official term for those of us who write timetables) you have two different specialities. LTP (Long-Term Planning) and STP (Short-Term Planning). LTP deals with the National Timetable, while STP deals with emergencies or engineering work. It's somewhat rarer than it should be to find someone who can do both.
Very interesting video, many many years ago I used to work in the print office at Derby Loco and Carriage and Wagon Works, and helped to print the graphs used to compile the time table in the 50's, long before computers, and we would be printing the graphs for the follow year and then when printed they would be sent to London.
If you want to plan rolling stock and traincrew workings, and do much of the underlying planning and development of the timetable then look for career opportunities with the train operators (TOCs and FOCs.) Network Rail might do the final assembly but 90% of the creative leg work is on the other side of the fence.
There's also a number of consultancies you can apply to.
If you have a question about railways... go to Switzerland and ask them to show you how to run them efficiently. E.g. Schweiz Taktfahrplan. E.g. SBB being a national operator meaning passengers are their first and main priority. E.g. trains don't depart early to help precious private operators run them on time (which means that the Swiss timetable isn't siht). E.g. highest railway investment per capita in Europe (incl UK). I could carry on. Queue all apologists.
When you are searching for timetables for yourself and stumble upon this
Timetabling is something that appeals very strongly to people with Aspergers.
And what about Crisps? You can get those at loads of railway stations.
Fascinating, and I often wondered about this. Nowadays computers assist, but what did they do in say Victorian Times, when there were many more trains. Yes, I know there were many companies in those days, but what happened say on the formation of British Rail in 1948? No computer prgrammes, I daresay, although historical efforts may have been of great assistance I'd imagine?
czcams.com/video/NFLb1IPlY_k/video.html - Hopefully this video has a bit more visuals on how it's done and the visuals which are used!
It's all just plain maths. And as you're outside in nature and some things like the locomotive, the amount of carriages or to keep things more simple just the weather or usage of passengers will change during the year, you might not even have to do it in an overly complicated (=exact) way, especially because you will add some extra time (2-5% normally) anyways. You don't even have to calculate every single train.
It's all about acceleration, deceleration and distances over time. No magic, but yeah, definitely a lot of work.
It's incredibly complex but it's waaay too tight esp turn around times. Four minutes to turn around god forbid the driver needs to use the toilet
interestng.
Very informative and interesting. So if I wanted a special to run from Portsmouth to Derby (for example) (and I was a wealthy corporate) how would this be factored in, could it at all and how long would I have to wait? How much would it cost to do ( and then to implement) and how would it be integrated into the normal timetable?
This would fall into the realm of "chartered services", of which the most well known are heritage services that run outside of the normal ticketing system for day trippers. On Network Rail, these usually have to fit in in-between the regularly scheduled services, which often means waiting for other services to clear the section ahead, or travel via routes that are usually freight-only. In rare circumstances, it may be possible to shift a timetabled service slightly to accommodate a charter, but for the most part the usual services have priority.
Also if you want to be a timetable planners it helps if your name is Chris
The timetable through the Castlefield corridor needs sorting. It's been terrible since the December timetable changes. Big gaps in services, poor link between Liverpool and Manchester. Some services terminate at Oxford Road, then wait up to twenty minutes for a connection to Piccadilly, plus the additional passenger movements due to passengers changing trains at MCO adding to train dwell times.
There is no 20 minute wait for connections at Oxford Road on a normal day…
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There is.
For example, the 09:05 from Southport arrives at Oxford Road at 10:16 (usually on P5, although I've had stop at P3 and 4 also) where it terminates. The following service to Piccadilly at 10.24 is a TPE. It's failed to show up by being cancelled or delayed many many times, the next Piccadilly train after that is the 10:39 EMR service to Norwich service. Therefore you wait from 10:16 to 10:39 to get a connection to Piccadilly. Twenty three minutes.
Ah
However, in the north, timetables are written by chaps who start by taking huge amounts of psychotropics before heading off to a comedy club. #true
Especially the December 2018 northern timetable
I really would just like my fast trains back (kbw and wlw). Having them removed has made my and many other commuters journey a misery. Alternatively drop the price of the peak tickets because we are not getting the service we used to but we still pay for it.
So basically, if you want to help with the timetables, you have to legally change your name to Chris.... must be hard in the office... Where's Chris? Which one....
Hello dear all Sir
How can a civil engineer placed in Network rail.
Please reply me
If you are suitably qualified, apply for a job.
It's a great pity you didn't ask controllers what they do in rewriting timetables when there is an earth slip as part of incident management.
But if you are a Chris and get one of those planning jobs at Network Rail in Milton Keynes - will you lose it once Great British Railways is up and running in Derby?
#RailNatter | Episode 159: Why Britain’s railway headquarters WON'T be in Derby:
czcams.com/video/y7xSgiCSTGU/video.html
No, I highly doubt the bulk of those staff will actually move to Derby. Besides, most of the work is done by the TOCs (or the consultancies hired by the TOCs), so the vast majority of train planning jobs won't be moving to Derby.
Having lost a load of engineering staff by moving from Derby to MK, ten years ago, it’s going to be a bit laughable if DfT moves everyone back to Derby.
Step 1: become a bad penny in geoff Marshal videos
I thought I had seen that face before.
Stagecoach needs to take notes instead of being it on a website
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No kidding ???🙄🥱
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