DJI RS 2 Gimbal + Syrp Genie Linear Motorized Slider Combo - Is This Your New 4 Axis Motion Control?
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2020
- In this video we will look at how to use the new DJI RS 2 Gimbal with the Syrp Genie Linear and the slider or dolly of your choice to get buttery smooth slider and dolly shots.
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So appreciate sharing your knowledge on this! What a great demo. Thanks for taking the time to put all this together.
Great video Norm! Beautiful lighting and breakdown. I need to use my RS2 like this 🤩
Thank you. I appreciate your feedback.
Wow, Norm! This lighting and composition is so tasteful! Unlike so many talking head setups on CZcams.
Thank you!
Wow! I can't believe I just found this video. I've been torn between what to purchase first. A 3-4 Axis Slider or Gimbal. I finally decided on the Ronin RS2 Pro Kit. IMy reasons for going with the gimbal first were more opportunities for use. Additionally, I was thinking that there has to be a way to mount my gimbal on a slider and save money by just purchasing the slider and motion module. Yesterday, I almost pulled the trigger on an Edelkrone bundle but decided not to. I just couldn't bring myself to drop another 2K+. Then low and behold tonight I came across your video and it's like you were reading my mind, I can't wait to see what you post next. Hopefully, you'll be able to get more granular on your setup. Thanks for a great video.
thanks Norm. this is exactly the stuff i was looking for. Exactly the reason i purchased the expansion base kit as well.
Glad it was helpful. Would like to hear how the base kit works out. Thanks for your feedback.
Did I just find the Mr Rodgers of the camera tutorial game? My new favorite CZcamsr. Awesome setup!
Welcome to the hood neighbour!
Great video. Love your shots, lighting, audio, smooth talking, and overall quality. Definitely subscribing! :)
Thanks Cody!
Thanks for this. You've read my mind and I'm about to buy a motorized slider to go with my RS2. Fabulous. I thought so....now I know.
(pssst.... Zeapon Micro Slider 2)
Very interesting test and insightful! Great job :)
Great video! I’ve thought about this several times myself. I wonder if DJI will ever make a slider.
Awesome video, glad I found you. Very nice lighting, audio, and your voice is really nice and well spoken, you have a new sub
Thank you. Greatly appreciated.
Man, just had this exact idea. Go to CZcams it because SOMEONE must have thought of this already and hey! Here he is. Thanks for saving me a lot of testing!
+1
I was having this exact idea and was wondering if it would work. I think your Video convinced me to try it! Very well done! Thank you!
Very happy you enjoy it. I've used this a number of times now on 2-camera shoots and it works reasonably well. Not perfectly but if you know where it glitches you can easily work within the limitations
@@TheUnMarketingGroup what issues did you run in to?
@@caseyandtim The DJI active track works well but the gimbal software for setting key frame positions is very finicky and has no ping-pong mode. For example in an interview situation where you have the slider running back and forth the best way to have the gimbal track your subject is use active track as the head moves back and forth. It would be great if one could set keyframes along the slide that match the subject position and then just have the software run the keyframes forward and then reverse to match the duration of the slide?
very very helpful. Thanks for posting this!
Thank you for the comment. Greatly appreciated.
Excellent video you deserve was more subs!
Thank you Joakim. That's very kind.
Great video! I’ve wondered this same thing ever since I got my Ronin S. Recently I came across a slider by YC Onion and looks like they’ve developed an attachment for the Ronin and it syncs with the slider app and gimbal for total motion control. Seems like a solid setup although I haven’t tried it yet.
I have RS2 and also considering the YC Onion, the awesome thing based on what I saw is that even without the gimball you can still get those smooth parallax shots
Appreciate this! Rather than using Raveneye for this type of conrolled setting, I'm thinking to just use the Create modes to set a couple waypoints. Hope to see an updated, more in-depth video if you make one!
Hello Sky. Thank for your comment. I tried that and it works well if you're able to time the slide and the waypoint track correctly. When I tried this technique I found I needed to set several waypoints along the slide as the pan speed relative to the object I was shooting needed to change as the slide got closer to the object. The other slightly frustrating thing as the lack of a feature in the apo to have the RS2 ping-pong or repeat the move automatically. I may just be missing a feature of the app that allows this so if you or anyone else knows how to make that work I'd love to hear it. Thanks for the comment and yes, I am working on a more in-depth follow up that includes how I've incorporated the DJI baseplate kit.
Muchas Gracias! what a nice video!
Thank you!
Thank you sir for this video.
Brilliant! Very well done!!!
Thank you!
@@TheUnMarketingGroup I had the same idea and it’s great to see you trying it out so well. Thank you for the video and keep it up 😃
Thank you for sharing.
Hello, great video. I have also liked the idea to combine a gimbal to a slider or a minijib. I do have a question, do you think syrp genie linear would be compatible with Ifootage shark slider?
Hi. Thank you for your feedback! While I've never used the ifootage shark sliders, if you're thinking about using the genie with something like the S1 then from the pictures I can't see why it wouldn't work. The brilliance of the genie is that it simply mounts between the camera and slider base and pulls itself back-and-forth using a slick little rope and pulley system. The ropes just attach to the ends - I just wrap mine around the ends and tie a simple knot. I have used the genie on a dana dolly with pretty long pipes and a relatively heavy camera package with no issue.
Almost perfect ! But it seem less smooth vs Edelkrone by example.
Hi Philippe. I agree - it isn't perfect. The tracking is almost too good in that the combined movement of the gimbal and the subject can cause the frame to shift around a little too much. I'm finding that this can be fine tuned a little better by adjusting the tracking sensitivity. It will also follow the subject when they get up or reach for a drink of water and then sometimes loose tracking. But overall it works well enough and it is very convenient to have a second gimbal mounted camera already balanced that you can use to quickly transition from interview to b-roll etc. I would love to be able to directly compare the RS2 with the Edelkrone or the Syrp Genie. Thanks for your comment!
Nice.
I'm looking for some inspiration to build that combination.
As I'm currently developing my own control to keep the slider and the gimbal in sync i'm interested what might be useful for this setup.
Currently i just manually move the gimbal to a certain position, hit my "learn" key and then calculate the trajectory by interpolating all axis to that position and move it by sending waypoints to the gimbal and the slider.
Would it make sense to have more keyframes to build e.g. a realtime speedramp?
That sounds like a great idea. The current version of the app has some limitations.
@@TheUnMarketingGroup "Limitations" of the app is an euphemistic description and the main reason why i build my own bluetooth control for the Weebill S gimbal ;)
0 dislike, rare, great thank you!
Thanks Mike. greatly appreciated.
Thanks for showing the setup. Would love an even closer look video on set up and detailing any troubleshooting and comparisons.
So glad it works, will help save money on expensive pan and tilt motors
Aside from the main topic of the video, production quality is insane. Lighting and colorgrade are top notch. Could you explain some technical details, about how you achieved this result? Eg, how big was your keylight, how far away, what was your fill light if you used it, and how you graded your footage? Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback. Super simple setup - key is an old Aputure cob with a dome, a couple practicles in the back, and an aputure MC for hair light.
Hello Norm, what would you suggest if in a similar setup with the rs2, but with a sony a7r4, i get kind of robotic panning and tilting? I mean I can see the small steps the motors take, it s not as fluid as i would expect. Gimbal is balanced well according to the dji app and autotuned.
I'd play around with the Auto Track sensitivity. That seemed to make the biggest difference for me. Let me know how that works out.
Great, been testing this with my Crane 2 but hated to fiddle around with the phone. Where does the picture in the RS2 screen come from?
Hi Henrik. That’s from DJI’s promo video and is a good depiction of how Active Track can be used from the gimbal without needing the phone/app.
@@TheUnMarketingGroup I checked and it is hdmi out to USBC. Very cool!
Oh I’m sorry I misunderstood your question. Yes, the HDMI output of the camera goes into the RavenEye accessory via an HDMI cable, then USB C from the RavenEye to the gimbal. This USB C connection also charges the RavenEye’s internal battery. DJI has a good video here: czcams.com/video/pm3EcgLDkaU/video.html
U r smart
I hope we will learn something from you sir
How did you make the genie travel back and forth?
Ah great question. Tap the single arc arrow at the bottom of the Track settings to switch to double arrows.
Whats the link to the gears you use ? Would like to see that slider and price
Hi. The slider is an ancient Rhino slider very, very basic. The lateral motor is the simple but exceptional Syrup Genie II Linear. Works with pretty much any slider/rails. The Gimbal is the fabulous RS2 of course.
Quick question - it looked like there were a few points during the slider shots where there were some jumpy movements. Have you noticed this as a continuing issue, or have you figured out how to keep it perfectly smooth throughout the duration of the move? Thanks!
You're not wrong. I did figure out how to get perfectly smooth movement - unfortuantly not with the RS3. I bought the Syrp motion control head. It works great.
This is pretty awesome!
Thank you!
Can you tell us the slider setup that you sent with? And do you recommend it?
The slider is my old Rhino, and the motor unit is the Syrp Genie II Linear. The gimbal is the DJI RS II (obviously). I have used this setup in several productions and would not recommend it. The DJI active track works too well and causes the camera to swing unpredictably with head and hand movements. While it works, and you can get a few good cutaway shots, I have realized that a good motion control head is needed for a smooth slide/pan, keeping the interview subject in a specific frame.
Do you think it would be possible to mount the rs2 on the edelkrone jib one with the pan pro?
Hi Adam. I don't have either so can't say for sure but I took a look at all the videos they have and I can't see why this combo wouldn't work. I'm currently using the great little Tilta RS2 Power Supply base on the slider which lowers the camera, makes it more stable and provides power to the gimbal from a P-Tap battery. I would think this would also be a great way to mount the RS2 to the jib and use the RavenEye to track a subject or control from a smartphone while the Jib is in operation. But pure speculation on my part. If @edelkrone wants to send me over a Jib, i'd be happy to test it and report back ;-)
@@TheUnMarketingGroup That’s actually a great idea as far as mounting the RS2 with the power mount. I’ve invested in the edelkrone products but to use their new active tracking system I would have to update what I have so I thought it might just work out better to use the RS2 as my run and gun and then also be able to attach it with ease to the jib. I may test this out
@@AdamSmith-pn5hk I'd be very interested in hearing about how it works out!
PLEASE HELP! I bought the Linear and found the slow speed to be so shaky it was unusable. It's like the step motor was just taking lots of small steps to achieve the slow speed and it caused my Ronin RS3 to just wobble a lot. How are you getting it so smooth?
I'm sorry to hear you're frustration. I'm not doing anything special to achieve a smooth slow-speed slide. I do notice that heavy cameras need to be balanced a little more than lighter ones. Perhaps the unit is defective?
@@TheUnMarketingGroup also you have to use the slider on continue movement not steps mode (Timelapse)
Did reveneye on vertical camera works?
Raveneye works and is needed for the tracking. But I didn't find the tracking reliable. Haven't tried verticle - great suggestion!
There is one case that approach might not work, when you want to do the slide vertically.
Oh yes, I completely see that being an issue.
I read you would not recommend this setup. But can't you just use this setup using the gimball way points after timing how long each slider loop takes?
You're correct. I would not recomend this setup unless you want to remote control the gimbal head using Raveneye and a controller (phone/app or phone/ps3 controller, etc.) Subject tracking just doesn't work reliably and way points don't repeat.
active track works only with wide angle and walking peiple, it is mist of the tile buggy and unusable in other situation
the key here is sync
I see it exist a bluetooth device to do it but the follow focus of rs2 is not controlled by that device... bad luck for us whi aleeady own the rs2 full kit
Agreed