💜 The ENTIRE Bayonetta 3 Timeline, Ending, and Multiverse EXPLAINED
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What if I told you the whole timeline of Bayonetta 3 looked like this... I’ll provide evidence of EVERYTHING that led me to this conclusion, and even something that might be proving Bayonetta’s return. The Faeries, How Luka got his power, the ending debate, the Variants and the Multiverse, the Dark Adam and Eves, and even Sigurd’s plan.
The multiverse starts with Bayonetta 1 being it’s own timeline, who’s now confirmed to be called the Witch in Remebrance, and according to Bayonetta 3 and actually, Bayonetta 2’s modern setting is proof of this, she doesn’t change her outfit and her story ends here. Within her story, she raises the Little One who we know is Brave Cereza which we play as in the third game.
Now onto Bayonetta 2, according to Bayonetta 3, this is a separate timeline as well who also was the one who saved us at the end of Bayonetta 3. She’s known as the Witch with Discerning Eyes. Now did she experience the same events that the Witch in Remembrance experienced? Yes! Just in her own timeline since ”she seemed to have walked an ALMOST identical path” and that Love is Blue and Scarborough Fair are referenced to be made for certain Bayonetta’s in the multiverse as well.
Also, that B4 warehouse theory where 1-3 is one saga, while B4 and B5 are another saga, seems to be quite the cool coincidence now…
The extreme change in technology between the two games, I think could either be an extreme advancement which is quite rare, or just that this part of Europe or Vigrid wasn’t as advanced as the United States.
I think the latter since Enzo and Luka both have evidence of an experience similar to what happened in the first game.
Anyways, there is the 3rd Interpretation that some of you put forward which was that Bayonetta 1 and 2 are the same person while Bayonetta 3 is Brave Cereza. While I love that, and there is certainly evidence to prove it, Luka and Enzo have referenced their own recollections that almost mirror what happened in the first game, and the signature gun descriptions show that they are separate people who walked the same path.
It’s important to know also that all Arch Adams aka Luka Variants across the Multiverse have been experiencing voices throughout their growth all leading up to Chapter 13 in Bayonetta 3 after all their souls merge into one.
Lukaon, who is a Luka Variant,is a Faerie King somewhere in the multiverse, but leads the faeries in the secluded part of the Human World - that forest in the secret chapter is likely Brave Cereza’s world’s version of this.
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HOLDING OUT HOPE B4 IS MISSION TO SAVE CEREZAAAA. If not Brave Cereza, Viola’s biological mom certainly. 😭 obviously I know nothing but I CAN HOPE
AHH THE LEGEND’S HERE! 🥹 YES, A CEREZA HEIST/EXTRACTION ARC 😂
@@Rakunx Madama Butterfly as the Inside Woman? 😄
Hi! Loved you as Viola. IT'S BACON TIME!😁🤘
@@Rakunx our Bayonetta (Witch of Revelations) helping Viola save Brave Cereza be like: If I had a coin for everytime I had to go to hell and back it would be two which is strange that I happened twice.
(Flashbacks of Cereza witnessing all the alternative Bayonetta and other characters deaths pops into Bayonetta's mind)
Maybe I was a bit too hard on the girl?
(This only works if the Bayonetta 2 one in the end scene is the smash bros one)
@@XaranAlamas yes yes yes yes
This is the best explanation for all three games since PG now have the Multiverse excuse to make any Bayonetta game they want now. Who's to say in the next game, we play as a Bayonetta variety who doesn't even wield guns. The possibilites are endless.
Imagine if PG makes a game about Japan Bayonetta, or Egypt Bayonetta, or French Bayonetta. That would be so cool to explore different lives of Bayonetta.
@@jeppyjep I want a Spidernetta game!
Viola already is the one who does not use guns. Curiouser and curiouser about the sword she wields, its origin, and how Cheshire bonded with her
@@markula382 This is what it has been about since the first game. Balder, and the Affinity spoke of the Trinity of Realities. So if you were not aware, you have not been paying attention from the get go
@@markula382 sigh. It is wise not to compare DMC with Bayonetta, they connect in various ways, but they are totally different story wise. But hey if you don't like something I get it.
this game just needed so much more exposition. Even if a DLC comes out and fills in a lot of gaps (which I still doubt a little bit), it doesn't change the bad taste left in my mouth after finishing the game and thinking about the story.
Worst thing is it has so many good components and ideas to make up a good story but it almost feels like Kamiya and team made it intentionally cryptic and hard to follow
KH fans: first time?
Bayo's mole placement between the three games sightly varies, so the three Bayos are from different timelines.
Given that Love is Blue, Scarborough Fair and Colour my World has 1, 2 and 3 holes respectively, I think that Bayo 2 existed first, and that Bayo 1 was created when Balder was sent to the past with Loptr inside him (that's why the Bayo 1 logo shows up right after). Bayo 3 is the little one from 1/2, as you said.
Damn so Gamorrah was really out to kill Cereza at any opportunity possible if there's only one of them throughout the multiverse 😭😭😭
I hate him
Gahmorrah waste no time going after them Umbran souls. Bayo, Cereza and Jeeane. They must be a hot commodity even in the multiverse or Gahmorrah’ s just greedy.
@@ArtemisNyx42 I refuse to believe that he doesn't have beef with Cereza. He's either just that damn petty or she did something to him in another universe that pissed him off 😭
@@WarriorInBlack1 I'm convinced that thing got its neck snapped by balder in the first game and got pissy at Bayonetta for summoning it that time ever since
@@WarriorInBlack1 I mean that begs the question how exactly does one make a contract with what's essentially just a wild animal? Like Madam butterfly, obviously makes sense. And creatures like the fire spider aswell since they can talk.
Like maybe there is no contract with gammorah but Bayonetta still uses him because he is useful/powerful. And he acts out like an animal in captivity.
I know in 3 Rodin mentions bayo's contract with him when he refused to finish off the jelly monster. But still an interesting idea to think she forces it out and it takes what it can get ATM, i.e. whatever paradiso being she serves up to him.
I'm still so mad at Rodin i will never forgive him for not helping all bayos 😭😭😭🤧
I don't mind if Viola is in future game but to me, a huge portion of why I love the Bayonetta games is the character of Cereza. Her camp, cocky demenor and sexy witt is a huge factor for why I love the games. I have enough games with a comic relief main character that kicks ass like Viola. There's no way Cereza won't make a return somehow.
I really believe that Brave Cereza and Luka (Arch-Origins) are well and truly in Inferno, and that their arc has ended. Everyone else? Staying hopeful, but be ready to be content if the next sequels don't go the way you plan. ❤
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Just one thing, Lucaon did combined all Luca variants into one before the final fight. So all Luka in hell with Brave Cereza yes?
I'd like to think that Luka and madama butterfly are protecting bayonettas soul in he'll
the picture is enzo rodin brave cereza and viola
Well now they can become demon and help their daughter like madama butterfly or the Umbran clock tower luka might even help Jean grow in power in inferno
It would be amazing if they become a somewhat contract Viola has formed with
She DID have that portion of Strider power in her as her masquerade, after all
Now imagining 8 Bit Bayonetta in the army of Bayonettas, but still 8 Bit
I want so bad to see this. 🤣😂
When I first heard about Bayonetta, I was playing either Super Smash Bros for Wii U or Ultimate. I was like, “She’s interesting.” So I bought Bayonetta’s 1 and 2 for the Wii U and Bayonetta 1 was kind of scary. But I got used to it and now I love her games. I even bought all three for the switch. I hope things will be good in Bayonetta 4 and both her and Jeanne are back.
There is a reference in Bayo 3 where Enzo says "I hope not one of her pets got loose again" which means what happened in Bayo 2 with Gomorrah. I still believe we play the same person in 1, 2 and 3.
The description of Scarborough Fair and Love Is Blue explained that Bayo 1 and 2 are not Bayo 3.
@@jeppyjep I believe that those are also parallel universes. I think those guns aren't the real ones. I still believe in my theory.
@@roslla9951 Well enjoy your theory, and continued denial of the multitude of evidence against it 💅
There is the possibilty that the events of Bayo 3 has the similar events of that from the previous game. you can argue that the Prologues of Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 were Cereza Bayonetta's versions of the events of each game.
Lemme just say that all 3 Bayos: 1, 2, and 3 have intentional mole placements that are different. So they are not the same Bayonetta. Similar events just happen in some parallel universes especially considering the overlap of events between 1, 2, and 3. Gomorrah still gets loose in Cerezita's timeline, and Bayo 2 had her former moment as a witch with no memories considering she references it in Bayonetta 2. Not to mention the timeloop intentionally placed via Bayonetta 2's ending to link Bayo 1, 2, and 3's universes and similar parallel universes together that are born from new timelines.
Dang it's really amazing how there's connections across all 3 games that make sense. If you told us back in B1 the timeline would be this elaborate I wouldn't have believed it. Thx Rakunx for the amazing timeline!
I don't understand how multiple bayonettas battled with jubileus and aesir if only one version of those gods exists
1:44 Now I'm even more confused, in Bayonetta 2 chapter 5 there is a scene where Luka is telling the Eyes of the World lore and Bayo remembers herself killing Balder while wielding the Scarborough Fair gun set but, if she and Bayo1 are two different people then how could she remember using those guns? But also the witch from the Remembrances of Time also has the Love is Blue set and she was confirmed to be from an alternative universe years ago so I don't even know anymore...
Maybe she had a vision of one of her variants killing Balder, it’s a sort of connection, this also happened in Bayo 1 when Bayonetta brought Cerez back in her time and made her left eye opened
All I want is that a Jeanne and a Cereza return, they're my favorite characters.
OMG! Thank you for explaining the story for me because I was a little confused about the story and when I finally beat the game I was still little confused but you broke everything down for me to understand.💜💜💜
I’m happy that it cleared up even by a little for you 🥹
This is a really good video but it’s kind of sad that someone has to go to this length and go this far into detail to try and explain to us what even happened at all. The biggest letdown about Bayonetta 3 for me was that there was SO much new lore but that very little of it was properly explained in the main story.
There were several moments that just left me astonished, throwing my hands up and making a face, like “what the fuck?”. The Umbra clock tower being an infernal demon, Bayo somehow being able to survive ripping her heart out several times and being impaled by Luka’s claws, Lukaon just going “what’s up, I exist” without context, Jeanne - with her immaculate awareness and reaction timing - unable to dodge Sigurds laser (which, mind you, takes a few seconds to set up and fire!), no explanation as to why Luka suddenly has powers, Viola crying harder upon Brave Cerezas death (and calling her mummy) than Whittingham Fair Bayo’s death (who is her actual mom), I could go on. Sure most of it is vaguely answered in character descriptions and whatnot but Bayo 3’s story left me scratching my head in confusion and disappointment. I can’t imagine I’m the only one.
Thats how I felt too hahaha
^This. Not to mention she learns how to "unleash her full power" only to not use it in the final battle...(they wouldnt have to sacrifice themselves if she did, probably.)
My entire mood about B3 rn
@@OziMoziDoozy she didn’t have enough time to charge it up lmaoooo
Exactly, like even if this all turns out to be true and the many Bayo's return, the fact that we were all this confused is NOT a good sign here.
I'm honestly pretty glad with how things wrapped up in 3. Now let me explain why: with 3 constantly elevating the action and Bayonetta's abilities, I was starting to wonder how a new Bayonetta game could possibly top the heights in 3. I know we asked ourselves a similar questions after 1 and 2, and Platinum did successfully deliver in making Bayonetta even more insanely over-the-top! But with the plot of 3, how could they go beyond the multiverse? I know it's not impossible because Bayonetta is a game, and the devs can do whatever they want, but I also think this is the best for the dev team. It ensures they really do get to scale things back a bit and tell truly new stories with a new character and gameplay. As a creative myself, I can say it is satisfying to try and do new things and approach things differently. I know people are upset for various reasons, but I prefer an ending like this for a character like Bayonetta because the alternate option I was worried about was having Cereza become a tired out and boring character. It's ok for arcs to end, and be sad about that, but the characters we love will always be there with us! And especially for stories like Bayonetta, fan theories and ships are still valid approaches to appreciating the characters. When it comes to large fandoms, we own the characters just as much as the people who made them. We lift them up and share the joy they bring us! So yeah, it's ok to be upset, but I hope more people can also look forward to the future if the series and can respect the decisions of the devs, because I know it probably wasn't such an easy thing to do. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Let me know what you all think and be respectful to each other, Bayonutters! ❤
Thank you Rakunx. It's sad that the mechanism in the moon is still not talked about even in the 3rd game...
Wow that's right omg
The what in the moon
Honestly, the theories are so good that I am gonna read more the Books of the game !!
Im going to read all the books from all three too Xd
Ok, hear me out, what if Bayo from "the end" is brave cereza instead of a completely seperate timeline? That way, Bayonetta 2 can still make sense with the whole Enzo lines in the prologue(him explaining bayo's backstory) AND Brave cereza can fight Aesir in addition of never being dormant under a lake, and therefore become the most powerfull Bayonetta! It also creates a pretty cool pattern of showing brave Cereza's timeline in the beggining of Bayo 1 and 2!
Maybe you're onto something...I hadn't even considered that as a possibility.
Not likely since Plantinum Games officially made Bayo 1&2 separate universes and Bayo 3 confirms that you are playing Little Cereza from Time Displacement.
Like what you're saying can lift my spirits after seeing the ending of Bayonetta 3...by accepting Viola as the new "Bayonetta" on one bent knee? I doubt it.
What If World of Light Bayonetta was in Bayonetta 3? Maybe appear in the final battle...
This would technically make her an variant from the Smash Bros. Universe.
They did use the smash Bros length legs tho🤣
Wait do you mean she doesn’t show up until the final battle in smash? I’ve not actually completed world of light so I wouldn’t know
@@rhettmitchell In World of Light after defeating Galeem and ??? In a special world, you're going to get an ending that sends the original spirits back to their original universe.
Since the multiverse exists the Bayonetta universe, I count Smash Bayonetta as a variant.
And no, she doesn't show up, as cool that would've been. This is merely an 'what if' scenario.
Understand, every universe was restored. Cuz Bayo 1&2 do return to their universes after Brave Cereza was weakened. And the rest of the alternates are back. But every Luka in the multiverse is gone. Cuz they all merged with Brave Cereza universe Luka.
And while Bayo 1&2 merged with Brave Cereza, it was only temporary and the spell wore off which allowed them to return to their world. So they are back in their home universe. Including all the alternate Bayonetta’s that died (except Wittingham Fair Bayo. Why? Idk.) Forcing Cereza to be weakened. But I like Bayonetta 2 being a separate universe from Bayonetta 1. Cuz Bayo 2’s characters seems a bit different from the first game in terms of behavior. Which seems to indicate that Bayonetta 2’s timeline is not only similar but still has differences. Everyone has a different perspective.
And that’s to be expected. Different reality means everything is different matter what.
Honestly I’m of the mind that the destruction of the eyes of the world is what caused the multiverse to exist fully separating all timelines into their own realities with bayo2 being the only one to meet and face Loki, Loptr, and aeisir (since he’s a singular entity like the other realm creators/Paridiso and inferno residents), but the disturbance aeisir created was felt across all of the realm of chaos, causing the same events at the start of bayo2 in cereza’s world but not leading to Jeanne’s death(due to her being the strongest bayo), which is why cereza’s still summons Gomorrah, doesn’t recognize the tarot cards(poking fun at them as a solitaire deck), and why Enzo thinks one of cereza’s demons got loose. This also explains why cereza is called the alpha eve origin, because she was the time traveler that started this mess of a multiverse
Bayonetta One is the original story. The others are variations. So much so that Bayonetta quotes "it seems like only one of us has made it this far". But Bayonetta still remembers Cereza (B3). The universes have been restored and probably B4 can return to classic Bayonetta to save Cereza from hell.
Plot twist : Eggman from bayo 1 is responsible for everything in bayo 3 and will actually appear in bayo 4
That black hair woman possibly Bayonetta that is Viola mother since the variants that got killed by Snigularity return, also Rodin referencing Luka from her timeline in the end too. Good for both of them and Viola
Bayonetta one is the original timeline and bayonetta 2 and 3 are the brake offs simple. After bayo carried back ceraza it created 2 or more time lines. Bayonetta 2 being a continuation of 1 and 3 being the new one.
I believe we play as the same Bayonetta in both 1 and 2. The Witch In Remembrance that appears at the end of Bayo 3 is just a different Bayonetta who went through a similar story, kinda like the Bloody Fates variant. The other Bayo that appeared at the end also might not be the same Bayonetta because we have no reason to believe she's the same Bayo. In the Multiverse, the smallest choice can create a new timeline so it's literally impossible to know which Bayonetta is which. Just believe whatever explanations you want. I promise you'll put more thought into it than the writers did lmao.
Bayo's mole placement between the three games sightly varies, so the three Bayos are from different timelines.
Given that Love is Blue, Scarborough Fair and Colour my World has 1, 2 and 3 holes respectively, I think that Bayo 2 existed first, and that Bayo 1 was created when Balder was sent to the past with Loptr inside him (that's why the Bayo 1 logo shows up right after).
@@iviyohane To be fair, the mole placement changing wasn't setting up Bayo 3's multiverse. They just moved it when redesigning her. It just so happens to also allow a multiverse meet-up between the three games.
I do kinda vibe with your explanation tho. It does make sense and is fun.
I think the writers know exactly what they are doing. They plan the story ahead for at least one entire game. The story of Bayonetta 1 is connected to Bayonetta 2 and Bayonetta 3. They are also dropping hints for the future title. I think they put in way more thoughts into the story than any of us did so far.
@@Dragoonking17 I honestly hope you're right. The recent tweets do give me hope that they have a plan and hopefully Bayonetta 4 will enhance Bayo 3's story!
@@robinquartz884 hopefully 4 sorts TRD mess out and ties it all together
I think the three bayo merged because they are linked together in some sort : bayo 2 events led to balder being possessed by The god of chaos (that, since he is a god of chaos, must have known about the multiverse and how to travel from one to another) thus making the events of bayo 1, and then bayo 1 take care of young cereza (brought back from another timeline thanks to Aesir controlling balder) that become bayo 3. They « merged » because their timelines are linked and synced I think. Anyway, amazing video !! I was stunned when I saw Loki’s card in Bayonetta’ s hands, I was convinced we would see him hahaha !!
Oh my goodness, this video is a life saver! Thank you!
AH I’M GLAD IT HELPED!! 🥹
the only thing I don't agree on is Bayonetta 1 and 2 being separated, yes the shop bios says their guns were made for another Bayonetta but it was never specified if it was one or multiple Bayonettas, just that it wasn't Brave Cereza.
B1 AND B2 are the same bayo, BUT b2 is trapped in a loop with balder. so that's why shes a separate entity in bayo 3
This is why game dev shouldn't do multiverse bs . It breaks the story.
Me: *Looks at Kingdom Hearts*
**looks at fate grand order**
They’ve obviously been planning on introducing the multiverse since bayonetta 1, so in your logic, the story’s been broken.
Honestly the fact that Bayo 1 and Bayo 2 are two different people is just a retcon and I hate it lol it was never implied in the other games at all, to me at this point the only one and real Bayonetta is the one from Bayo 2 who has lived through the events of Bayo 1 as well, the rest are irrelevant and that's why I didn't even cry when Bayo 3 died x__x (even though I felt sorry for Luka)
This... All of this!
Luca n Bayonetta is a great couple. Luca fit perfectly with Strong character like Bayonetta. Although ending both of them is a bad decision
Bro fr tho like why are the 3 games different people now I want 1 op bayo who did it all tf
My biggest question is how did brave Cereza got the name Bayonetta? She never got sealed so there was no reason for Rodin - who gave Bayo the name after waking up- to give Cereza the new name. Anyone got the answer??
I can’t believe we won’t be able to play as bayonetta (cereza) again
I am still so hyped for Bayonetta 4, bc viola litterally owns my heart, I love her so much🥹💜 still sad abt the endin, but I hope that at least we will got Loki back in Bayonetta 4, I just hope that Bayonetta 4 will happen right after the ending of Bayonetta 3, bc I am a lil nervous, to see, Viola with long hair ahaha
You KNOW Bayo and Luka will show up in some form. Just not as protags. Maybe summons.
Damn, I have to say, you are one of my favourite CZcamsrs now! I love your theories and explain videos like these. Would you mind updating this video in near future with your interpretation on where our Balder's happened to be in THIS video's timelines and where the timeline branches of, that was created in Bayonetta 2 (travelling 500 years ago)? In case I missed it, I take it back. Keep up the great work!
Thank you
I thought about the bayo games connections, here is my opinion.
The "origins" timeline -"B-0"
The result consequence of B2 timeline - corrupted by aesir "Father" travels to B0 , interrupting the timeline and creating B1 multiverse branch. As was said in anime - he lived about 500 years and there was flashbacks where he did something terrifying to withes to obtain the eye. And Bayo1 was sealed to be protected from him.
In B1 timeline also was the late interruption in B0 of bringing the origin cereza to B1 and after returning, the B3 branch was created as the B0 "original" straight continuation.
Sealed by circumstances and fate itself, 3 of bayos - the only ones who did go so far to the "finale" and resonated with each other by the tight connection of fate)
+ There was a mention that there are not a lot of multiverse zones with fae dimention, and the 3 of bayos canonically are using pistols made of faes
First! 😈
Sorry, can't help myself. 🤣😂
Edit: ok, just now watched it and I loved every second of it! Fun thing I've noticed is that Dark Eve Cereza's main demon and weapon was the Kraken and Anchor. How could another Variant know about the "Final Lesson" in the end? Strange thing but somehow I wouldn't doubt this comes into my own theory of how Viola will learn from the other Cereza's, maybe even her own Variants?, of what it means to be Bayonetta.
She'll grow into it. Maybe this is when we'll see the return of Loki, even if it is another Variant from the closer/similar timeline, and learn from and with him. 🤔😍
And is it a variant Luka or our Luka or Viola's Father Luka that Rodin is talking about. So many possibilities that I can't wait to explore. 🥰🥰
Another awesome video! Hyped for the next theory!
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Thank you so muchf ri taking the time to make this vid and giving the best and proper explanation as possible to the current time-line of Bayonetta ( all games ).
I do have high hopes that, maybe when they do make Bayo 4 or 5, that Viola's true background is more flushed out and revealed, and I do have strong beliefs that Brave or Pure Cereza will make an appearance and prove that she's not completely gone. Idk Jeanna, but yea.
Nice work, man. It is clear PG is intentionally being cryptic with the story line details in this game, even for a normie! Really appreciate how people like you take time to piece all together and share them theories. Unlike some others that cannot help themselves and immediately judge the game's story as a "horrible mess", specially most people in the reddit sub. Keep them coming! subscribed
Thank you so much Aaron - I love your attitude and kindness 🥹🥹 I’ll do my best to explain what we have, and theorise the future of this franchise (even if they don’t come true hehe)
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I think bayo 1 and bayo 2 being different universes makes things more complicated.... The discriptions didn't exactly say they where from different bayonettas like bayo 1+2 where separate.
Just that the bayo who owned the guns weren't from the Bayonetta that we play as in 3...
Also going by rodins description there shouldn't be multiple aesirs and jubileus .. It should only be one .... Only those born in the world of chaos have counterparts aesir and jubileus are like Rodin....keep in mind aesir tried to escape from that world into another one in bayo 2
Bayo holding Loki's cards and the dolls from one didn't mean they where from bayo... Rodin or viola could've brought them over from other universes to help understand the topic of multiversus. given bayo didn't recognize them when she studied them. This bayo in her discription survived the witch hunts together with Jeanne unlike the original... She'd never see those dolls. Aesir was likely never fought if we're going by rodins description since he'd already had been defeated in another world.
The arch eve part didn't make sense either given the Egyptian Jeanne was confirmed a arch eve and Rosa... It's likely it's just a power status ... Arch eve was never a remnant of some deity or from other sites some fated love story. It was just the strongest person in that world most likely
You just got a New subscriber, Nice Video
The only thing I disagree with is that 2 and 1 are separate time-lineto begin with. I think the name "Witch in Rememberance" implies that this Bayonetta is still searching for her lost memories, which would not be the case at the end of Bayonetta 1.
I think the title "Witch with Discerning Eyes" references how Bayonetta 2's Bayonetta has visions and experiences from both the Bayonetta 1 time-line and the Brave Cereza time-line.
Essentially, I think Bayonetta 1 is the Bayonetta we get if she never got her memories back, Bayonetta 3 is the Cereza in the altered time-line of 1, and Bayonetta 2 is Bayonetta 1 with the memories of Brave Cereza which she got because of multiverse nonsense.
It also works thematically as to why these three would be there at the end to fight singularity and why they can fuse; they were once the same Bayonetta.
This is probably a cringe theory
But here's why I think jeanne has a great relationship with cereza. The theory is she's Arch-Lilith, the first customer of Rodin. In the bayonetta 1 timeline, she's the one who goes against God's plan (since Loptr was merged with Balder's soul) she sealed Arch-Eve, that's why in Bayonetta 2, Loptr is so desperate to kill her and send her to hell, this way arch-eve can serve her purpose which is to deliver him the left eye. Eve and Lilith both betrayed God. It may seem Rodin (the lucifer of bayonetta), Arch-Eve, Arch-Adam and Jeanne has deeper connections. (Also let's not forget alfheim; the realm of light elves, exist in bayoverse, which is why I am not surprised lukaon exist)
Not cringe, I really like this one! Great theory.
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Hmmmm I like this
"I believe this Bayonetta died first causing Luka to awaken you know his 'Mangekyou Sharingan'"
I mean, voiced by Yuri Lowenthal, it checks out.
OH DAMN U RIGHT HAHA
Jeanne long hair from very short hair in "just a few months" makes a lot more sense now knowing that it's another Jeanne.
So I guess Bayonetta’s story is as confusing as the Legend of Zelda timeline or BlazBlue’s story now.
my only question is how is there different versions of madama butterfly if inferno doesn’t have multiverse counterparts
Hi! I like to think because Madama Butterfly who was originally a woman from Chaos, which unlike Rodin, has variants 😅 Maybe that’s why Alraune is seen in this game too!
Wow, someone actually invested in a story that not even the creators of the game itself gave a shit about lmao! Bless your heart.
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I feel like my brain is going to explote, thank u for the explanation, best one yet.
💜❤️ I’m glad, and thank you Lily 🥹
I like this explanation better I think kamiya really is just trying to make the game as convoluted as possible so we won't have a choice but to just look as her boops
I'm trying to be happy about what we got and this does make me feel better .
Thank u so much of this explanation, it really threw light to some things I didn't quite understand. I have a last question tho, Rodin mentions that he's the one that has to deal with Viola's parents if she skips her classes or something like that and he says that in a present tense, does that mean they came back somehow??? Does he talk to them in inferno maybe??? Or since there's only one Rodin out there he's referring to Viola's true parents who he has contact with as he travels through the multiverse???
@@Ryodraco I thought so too, if there's only one Luka the question I'd answered but I believe them too returned to their dimensions, really eager for a confirmation tbh
Hi! It could be he literally has talks with them lol, but I like to also think that phrase was a witty remark similar to how we sometimes say “he/she must be rolling in their grave right now” to someone who’s messing up. It’s like they sacrificed or died for their child for nothing in a ioking matter hehe
But maybe Rodin does have connections to them there 👀💜
Wait, I think I just figured out how 1 & 2 split. The end of 2 has Aesir try to flee to another time. Balder intervenes. What if that sent him with Aesir into an alternate past, that being Bayonetta 1’s past? That makes 1’s timeline a branch of 2’s timeline. That means the events of 1 never happened for Bayonetta from 2, but she learned who she was the same way Bayonetta from 1 did, that is, her Left Eye of Darkness resonating with Brave Cereza not forgetting who she was. This doesn’t explain why Bayonetta from 2 has amnesia, but it explains everything else.
What's telling us Bayo 2 did not happen right after Bayo 1 in the same timeline?
For all we know, the Bayo with the second outfit in Bayo 3 could be from the Records of Time from Bayo 2.
Also, the Records of Time in Bayo 1 could be happening in the same timeline. They are falling from the Umbran Clock Tower's cliff, and as seen in Bayo 2, it leads to the Crescent Valley. Cereza doesn't appear to show off her Umbran Watch during the fight, which may indicate this event happened in both timelines.
Fun fact: Scarborough fair is also the name of a song and the name of the 4 pistols are in the same order as in the song.
So the Luka that we met in the first two games no longer exists? Since all luka variants sort of combined at the end?
This gives me hope! Thank you! Bring Cereza back!!!
yea vigrid is technologically behind because in bayonetta 1 if you go up to the phones, it says that they are old phones and are placed there so they dont disturb the area or smthn like that so i assume that goes the same for everything else in vigrid, its just purposefully old fashioned
Thank God we have you to explain since clearly we can't count on Platinum to do so.
That means so much 😭 I hope it cleared up even a little for you Nicky! 💜
The picture was of the brave cereza timeline cause it’s Rodin behind the bar, Bayo on his left and Enzo on his right or in front of him
Such a great video! Thanks for posting. I’m a huge fan of the games and the ending really threw me for a loop. I have very strong feelings about it. I hope that the next game is at least viola figuring out to bring Bayonetta and Luka back. Personally, I think Viola is cute, but she’s best served as a side character and who she is doesn’t really fit the brand of what Bayonetta games are. To me, it’s just weird for the devs to make the fans wait this long for this game just to change the main protagonist (allegedly). I respect the fact that you’re okay with Viola, but I definitely am not. 😅
I think that this game opens doors to future installments, that's why there are many things that are not fully explained. Good video.
Cereza:Well my boyfriend is a Fearie.
Jeanne:You date gay dudes?
The biggest hole in their retcon is Jubileus and the only way I know to rectify that is Jubileus was summoned in both games. Bayonetta2 begins with Balders death near her remains and Im aware the statue wasnt her true form but a vessel.
The only way it’d work retroactively is if Jubileus is still alive and was merely summoned twice by Balder.
Which would then indicate that she’s also still very much alive and sleeping in Paradiso. At least her true form is.
ummm I still have a confusion here as Whittingham Fair Bayo is Viola's real mother (in love with Luka, now combine in just one person), so how did Brave Bayo in love with Luka too in the Brave timeline? They have never mentioned the love story of Brave Bayo. And as what we saw in Bayo 1 and 2, Luka seemed to be interesting to Bayo but not (yet) a lover I think?
They seem to have a shared history in the Brave timeline that we just don't get to see. She seems fond of him in a way Remembrance and Eyes Bayonetta do not feel because she likes him calling her Cerezita.
There’s only one Aesir and therefore only one Loki and one Loptr. Bayonetta 2’s lore on him proves as much as it states that Aesir perceived an innumerable number of possibilities, and that whatever he perceived became reality. So he created the multiverse. There’s zero reason to believe multiple Bayonetta fought multiple Aesirs or Jubileus’. This is why Bayonetta having Loki’s cards in Bayonetta 3 debunks this whole theory, she has to be the same as the previous two bayonetta’s.
But isn't Loki escape his twin's evil plan and reborn into Humam world?
I don't know about that I think the split did make multiple Loki's and Loptr's
@@mettatonneoex And your evidence? Because then you're arguing that at the end of bayo2 there will be an infinite number of reformed Aesirs which we just established cannot be
@@animetheory2572 it's an open theory because Loki/Loptr/Aesir is not in the game and not confirmed to be a one and only or a counterpart being
@@mettatonneoex Yeah they are. They're part of the trinity. The lore explicitly states as I noted in the original comment that Aesir created the multiverse. Not multiple Aesir. ONE Aesir. Just like there is One Jubileus and One Queen Sheba.
Bayonetta the movie might actually be bayonetta 2s version of the 1st games events that would be cool either that or the one from the movie is the one that appears at the end of bayonetta 3 that way there isn’t any plot holes because they vaporize Jubeleaus in the movie
Isn't the Gates of Hell kind of an overlap with Inferno? Maybe Brave Cereymza and Luka can occasionally visit?
Also, calling it now, Brave Cereza's Soul might be a weapon in Bayo4 for Viola. Possibly with a Moon name in reference to Fly Me to the Moon, Moon River and Moonlight Serenade?
In Bayo2 didn't Rodin say he had dibs on her soul? Different Bayo granted but still, makes me wonder.
Though, it's a fun mental image to imagine that Bayo3 is now living in Inferno with Madama Butterfly.
I still wonder if Butterfly is an ancestor of Bayo and Rosa, and by extension Viola. It's a shame she didn't speak in B3.
Though NOW I'm imagining her having a chat with Viola! 😄
In Madama Butterfly's entry, it states that she is ?around or over? Five-hundred (500) years old. So it's actually more likely that she knew them as a human rather than an ancestor. Or maybe if she did meet as a demon, then the close bond with Cereza meant she grew to know Rosa as well....maybe also got in trouble for joining in on some mischief, who knows. Even I don't want to get into trouble from Rosa. 🤣😂
@@CRCRAZYCHICK97 True! If it wasn't for Rosa summoning her in Bayo 2 I'd wonder if she WAS Rosa? Though the age of about 500 years does confuse matters a tad as 500 years ago was the Witch Hunts right?
Maybe she's another Bayonetta? 😄
No, If the Gate of Hell overlap with Inferno, plot of save Jeanne in B2 will be meaningless in the first place since Rodin can go and beat the sh!t of of that whip demon and bring her back in no time.
I also don't think hell ruler will allow this, like you suppose to suffer in hell, what is this, a vacation?
@@XaranAlamas Yup. I actually have this little theory that that because of the Madama Butterfly opera/play, she may have been an Umbra Witch, maybe even a high ranking Witch now thanks to Queen Butterfly being her true form!, that she may have met them at some point from Japan to get reports from Vigrid. And for whatever reason she grew close to Rosa or Cereza (if Rosa was locked up already and it was by coincidence that she met Cereza) and then just vowed to help her because she too saw potential.
Or maybe she and Rosa fought together at some point. You're right in saying it was during the Witch Hunts, so maybe she died during that time, but could be before it really took off since we don't know how long that war was going on for before the climatic battle in Vigrid.
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Im not happy thats viola been the next bayonetta.
Rodin and luka know each other
Dark Eve gives me ptsd from Nier
YO LEGIT
@@Rakunx it literslly clicks my fight or flight response, i am not going to see another world going down because of this bs of a mad eyes disease
I feel like the bayonetta 1 and 2 timelines are different because in bayo 2 bayonetta looses the left eye but possibly bayo1 bayonetta probably didnt, which is why the timelines are different.
Telling us that B1 and B2 star different Cerezas is my 9/11
Thinking about the bayonetta 2 ending... why did they show Bayonetta 1 logo if Bayonetta1 is not the same timeline ? Maybe Loptr havent jumped timelines.... maybe he jumped to different time and MUltiIVERSE...
The only way to make any sense of all of this is that Bayo from 1 and 2 were the same person and every single Bayo we saw on 3 were alternative versions. Including the 2 that show up in the ending. Besides in the congratulations screen this can be supported since 2 Bayo 1 appear along side 2 and the Dark one
The comment theories 😵💫😵💫😵💫
My biggest fear for bayo 4 is that it’ll lose that R rated charm the first two games had. Viola doesn’t rly strike me as the type of character that acts as eccentric as the bayo we know and love. If they can pack hair and provocative shit into bayo 4 then I’m all for tossing my money to platinum
Okay, now we need the Bayo x Devil May Cry crossover game where Brave Cereza meets the twins on their trip out of the underworld
I think that the Bayo from 3 is the same Bayo we've always known, and that the Bayo 1 and 2 are some sort of stacked experience. In the Bayo 2's bio it says that she's the most similar variant to Bayo 3. In the way where Bayo 3 experienced the events from Bayo 1 and 2 and also 3, and Bayo 2 experienced the events of game 1 and 2 and Bayo 1 just the events of the first game, as I said before stacked experience. Also Enzo mentions though out the game events of the first two games, of cereza losing control of Gomorrah and beating up angels.
The woman in the picture looks like the Bayonetta from that Paris timeline that they were thieves(I think😅)
I'd thank you for trying to clear everything up regarding the ending of Bayonetta 3, but lifting my spirits after seeing the ending of verse 3 of chapter 14 is very much impossible. Despite her attempt to boycott the game, I've forgiven Hellena Taylor and also regarding Viola as a new main protagonist, I have no intention of kissing the ground before her boots or be taunted by Viola defenders for turning my back on the Bayonetta franchise.
yk, bayo 3 was probably inspired by scream at this point, i mean nearly everybody is dead, we are left with a new main character thats related to someome in the original series, and then we have the "unexpected" evil character
I don't know if you noticed but if you pay attention to Rodin's hat it has a symbol I think each symbol represent the next game as for example Bayonetta 1 his hat jewelry it's a symbol of Bayonetta 2 and his hat accessory in Bayonetta 2 symbols is for Bayonetta 3 but now as I played Bayonetta three there's a different symbol on his hat I'm guessing that's for Bayonetta 4 but that's just my own little theory I hope you look into it? Heart 👀👀
Bayonetta and the multiverse of madness
I'd love to see an offshoot game where Luka is playable and we learn more about the Faeries. Perhaps the Fae are angels/demons here become stuck on chaos. Maybe Luka has made some fae pacts that gives him magic and power.
Fantastic as always good sir ^_^
❤️😭😭❤️ MUCH LOVE AND SUPPORT TO YOU ALWAYS BRUCE!!!
What a great video and timeline! I just think there is a slight mistake with your theory of multiverses existing since 2009. I agree that Bayo 2’s records of time was different and bayo and the masked Lumen met differently there, definitely could be a parallel world.
Although Bayo 1’s records of time doesn’t seem to be another parallel universe. You say it is because Bayo isn’t sealed and is fighting with Jeanne but remember that the order is: Clock tower breaking, Bayo and Jeanne fighting on the falling clock tower, Rosa dies, Bayo and Jeanne see Rosa dead, Bayo unable to fight due to her mother’s passing, Jeanne protects Bayo by sealing her in as the stone.
We know that’s the order because that’s what happens in Bayo 2 when we fight alongside Rosa. First come the events of the falling clock tower, then Rosa dies and Bayo 1 gets sealed, or in Brave Cereza’s case, her watch protects her, snaps out of her mourning and that’s what opens her eyes to her true potential.
BAYO is probably going to be a summon demon 😊
The girl at 10:23 is actually luka standing with his face turned and his arm slouched on the counter, playing on ryujinx lets you upscale and it makes these photos higher res and its very easy to tell that it is in fact luka and not a woman at all
Ooo? Is there a way you can share this image? In The Rakunity Discord Server, we have a Bayonetta Three (3) we have a completed section and you can share there if it's easier.
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I just want my Bayonetta back, the one who told me I was gay at 11. The game was fun but the marvel/dc universe timelines string theory was a migraine.
I was tired of explaining how the timelines worked to everyone ill send them this now thank you
Also i was hoping you would touch on the biggest plot hole... Rodin not knowing that the other universies were under attack and destroyed and we had to hear it from viola at the start... You can argue the attacks all happened at the same time but if so why did luka hear the voice since he was a child? That implies the destruction of universes started happening years ago... What did rodin go "huh a bunch of universes were destoyed no biggy"
DARK EVE is brave cereza. perhaps in a loop too... she failed and traveled back in time
also all lukas are dead, they fused into one : c
The Scarborough Fair and Love is Blue guns were made in a separate universe from 3’s, but it doesn’t say they are separate from each other, does it?
noice! now we have to stay alive for Bayo 4 hahaha
Oh man maybe another 81 years 😂
@@Rakunx noooooo 🤪
Question. Rodin did mention Vioale's pops in the ending. Is implied that Luka is alive, it's another Luka, or it's someone else ( like she was adopted or something like that)?
I like to think of that was just a euphemism haha kinda like “he’s rolling in his grave right now” as if his sacrifice led to her ditching school lol
But you also have the possibility that Rodin can literally talk talk them too lol
@@Rakunx you know now thinking about it, Luke never really die/or was killed. He just went to hell with bayonetta, but not as a dead man (unless she gave him a kiss of death or I missing something). Regardless if he's dead or alive, I think Rodin can still communicate with him in hell
Honestly, I'm content either way, whether Cereza comes back or Viola purely takes over. Both are very endearing characters and I had a lot of fun watching them interact.
I think Ceresa in the photo is B4 Ceresa because she has only one braid. Maybe she met Viola in Rodin's bar because it's between realities