@@davidthayer6969 "old" Ford? Allison was in a Talladega, which was new in 1969. Funny (pathetic) how when a Chrysler wins, you're so full of excuses for how Ford didn't and when a Ford wins, you say really stupid things like "wasn't badass enough to even come close to beating allisons old ford" (you only use caps to scream 'fact', eh?). CH said the car looked badass, which it does. As for your definition of 'come close', it changes depending on if 2nd place is a Ford or Chrysler. If Chryslers qualify up front, you'll talk about how much faster the Ford was to finish ahead of them, but when Fords qualify up front and 3 of the 4 cars on the lead lap are Chryslers, you'll claim they weren't 'even close'. Because you are a bore.
Petty had 9 wins in the Ford in 1969, 1 at Riverside, 7 on short tracks and 1 at Dover. He was driving the Ford Torino Cobra (short nosed 427) at Riverside. His win at Dover was his only "Aero War" win in the Ford Torino Talladega. Photos I've got show him with the Talladega for his wins at Martinsville, win at Dover, as well as his DNF at Thompson (rear end) while the photos from Riverside show him in a Cobra. Good chance the Cobra you saw at Riverside only had one win, being that it was reskinned for Daytona and beyond and then skinned back to the short nose later in it's life. Very cool you got to see that race at Riverside!!
It's a shock that mesothelioma never run rampant over these awesome drivers, well if all the cars had the same amount of asbestos in their car like Pearson's! Even his water bottle was wrapped in it!
The term "iron men" is apt for that generation of drivers. You made a good point about mesothelioma, something I hadn't considered before. Perhaps the discipline the drivers had back then when it came to fitness, such as not being heavy drinkers, may have helped. I had an uncle that worked the US shipyards in World War II, exposed to a lot of asbestos; but he was also a heavy drinker, too. Ten years after the war, he died from mesothelioma, and was in his early forties at the time.
I've watched this race several times & it was a good one. The Allison's were so popular Bobby could have been gouvener of Alabama anytime he wanted. The factory support was the only thing keeping these cars from becoming airborne. France's decision to ban these airodynamic's from NASCAR was short sighted to say the least...
@@Ziggy_Moonglow the 305cui engine restriction was only for '71 after that they all got banned. But the restrictions were enough that only one Charger Daytona was raced one or two races that year
Ford won the 1969 battle, 15 to 3, and Chrysler won the 1970 battle, 12 to 7. Ford won the 1969-1970 "Aero War" 22 to 15. Total wins, including short tracks for 1969-1970 come to 37 for Ford and 36 for Chrysler.
@@Ziggy_Moonglow Agreed, I'm not a Ford man, but I pay my respects when it's due. And it was definitely a tense and close race between the two, but I can say that Ford definitely had a better idea with their aero warriors all in all.
@@CudaRebelsAutoModeling426 each Ford team only drove about 20 races (and still had 10 wins) in 1970 because of Fords restrictions on sponsoring before they entirely quit NASCAR.
@@goldenltd1970 Yes, everything you said is also true, I'll be honest, Chrysler couldn't really compete (especially with sales) towards Ford then, but honestly, that may be why I respect Mopar a little more, they are the underdog to me. I may be fighting a losing battle, but you gotta admit, a company like Chrysler must have been real desperate to make a car as crazy unique as the Daytona and Superbird to get even remotely close to competing with Ford. Don't get me wrong though, I still have major respect for Fomoco though, they were really the king of motorsports, they were even going to make their own crazy unique aero car before they pulled out in 1970. any who I guess I'm off my soapbox, have a good day.
I bleed 100% ford blue but I do give credit to all manufacturers involved in nascar I gotta say Chrysler corporation sure went all out in the 69 70 seasons with there Daytonas and superbirds as they would prove to be tough competition against ford and ultimately ford would come out on top in total wins over the 2 seasons but as we all know it was not easy! I’ve always liked some of the cars Chrysler corporation put out and the Daytona charger 500 and super bird are no exception Id take one of them no problem to go along side the talladega and cyclone spoiler If only I could have all 5 lol but again what an amazing time in nascar racing history love seeing these aero and winged warriors go at it super fun to watch 👍
Fans of the Dodge should note that on the last pit stop, Bobby Allison took new tires and Donnie only took gas and water..............then Donnie ran off and left the Daytona and had nearly a full lap on him on OLD tires.....................
Very interesting to know, and I understand too. however I wish some of you Ford guys wouldn't look at these races as only a "number" or "fact" to use against us ChryCo guys, I'm not saying we aren't perfect with arguments either, but at the end of the day... even though I will always be a Mopar nut, I'd rather see a Ford or Chevy take the checkered flag over a Ferrari, Honda, or Toyota any day.
If I could say anything to these people back in 69’ I would say wait till 1975 and buy a 69 Dodge Daytona for about 4 grand and put it in a climate controlled garage till 2010 then sell👍
Pete Ellis Dodge in L.A. had 8 or 10 of the Dodge Daytonas and Plymouth Suprbirds in early 1970. Hemis and 440's. There were 3400 dollars and they could not give them away. Too "silly lookin" for anyone to buy in the day. If we only knew !!!
Right ! Too bad - Nascar is toast …. I have not watched a nascar event in over two years - Screw them - woke - non - stock- car - “ racing “. Whatever - $$$$$ +¥?*
No. Very few if any live races back then. In 70 ABC started carrying the last part of a few races live. In 71 a race at the 1/2 mile Greenville Pickens Speedway of only 200 laps was carried live flag to flag. The first 500 mile race televised live flag to flag was the 79 Daytona 500. Both the Greenville and Daytona races are on the You Tube.
ABC-TV Wide World of Sports could get away with televise-delay the race, as back then, mainstream media did little to report on NASCAR races, save for the Daytona 500. Out in California the local TV newscasts sports segments wouldn't report on the race. Newspapers 'may' have a race result listing of the race buried in the backpages of the Monday edition sports section. Those that subscribed to Autoweek newspaper, such as myself, _may_ get the issue in the mail by Friday that would report on the previous Sunday races. So, the ABC-TV highlights of the race, televised six days later, most TV viewers would be clueless of whom the winner would be.
It's been known that a Ford engine makes more power at the end of the race. After the Ford's raced at Le Mans, the engines were put back on a Dyno and they made more power. It appears the same thing happened to Ford's engines in NASCAR too.
1:40 500 cars must be sold unless they have a hemi. Then you just ban them for not be available enough? NASCAR is crooked as crap. They have ruined it completely. Bring back true “stock” cars and race them.
uh that was in the first half of 1965........the Hemi ran AND WON every year from its introduction in 1964 until everybody had to go to small blocks in 1974.
thats too funny, the new dodge was still no match for the Talladega Torino........watch the last pit stop......Bobby Allison took new tires and Donnie Allison only water and fuel and still went out and skunked the new Dodge by nearly a full lap. Just ran off and left them.
MOPARS and Fords. THAT was racing.
Jim McCay said Bakers #6 looked “odd”. I think it looked utterly badass beyond belief
wasnt badass enough to even come close to beating allisons old ford.
@@davidthayer6969 "old" Ford? Allison was in a Talladega, which was new in 1969. Funny (pathetic) how when a Chrysler wins, you're so full of excuses for how Ford didn't and when a Ford wins, you say really stupid things like "wasn't badass enough to even come close to beating allisons old ford" (you only use caps to scream 'fact', eh?). CH said the car looked badass, which it does. As for your definition of 'come close', it changes depending on if 2nd place is a Ford or Chrysler. If Chryslers qualify up front, you'll talk about how much faster the Ford was to finish ahead of them, but when Fords qualify up front and 3 of the 4 cars on the lead lap are Chryslers, you'll claim they weren't 'even close'. Because you are a bore.
@@Ziggy_Moonglow If I am such a bore, why the reply..../lolololol
@@davidthayer6969 There wouldn't be a Ford Motor Company if it hadn't been for the Dodge Brothers.
Not even a race fan but if possible I would time travel to this era of NASCAR. Love seeing the old iron. I was 6 when this race was run.
A.B.C.'s Wide World of Sports was the Only Sports Outlet we Had back in the Day,Kudo's
Donnie was a heck of a driver. Big Donnie fan here!!!
Bring these cars back to racing! There are enough remanufactured parts to recreate these classic stock cars to currently race a new stock car circuit.
My first Grand National Stock Car race. Sat in the Chrysler grandstand and was 10 years old.
Petty only won one race with that Ford, that was Riverside and I was there for it! Thanks Dad!
Petty had 9 wins in the Ford in 1969, 1 at Riverside, 7 on short tracks and 1 at Dover. He was driving the Ford Torino Cobra (short nosed 427) at Riverside. His win at Dover was his only "Aero War" win in the Ford Torino Talladega. Photos I've got show him with the Talladega for his wins at Martinsville, win at Dover, as well as his DNF at Thompson (rear end) while the photos from Riverside show him in a Cobra. Good chance the Cobra you saw at Riverside only had one win, being that it was reskinned for Daytona and beyond and then skinned back to the short nose later in it's life.
Very cool you got to see that race at Riverside!!
How I miss that introduction to ABC’s Wide World of Sports. Life was good back then. The world is a mess now. God save us all.
Great job Donnie always liked both brothers
It's a shock that mesothelioma never run rampant over these awesome drivers, well if all the cars had the same amount of asbestos in their car like Pearson's! Even his water bottle was wrapped in it!
The term "iron men" is apt for that generation of drivers.
You made a good point about mesothelioma, something I hadn't considered before. Perhaps the discipline the drivers had back then when it came to fitness, such as not being heavy drinkers, may have helped.
I had an uncle that worked the US shipyards in World War II, exposed to a lot of asbestos; but he was also a heavy drinker, too. Ten years after the war, he died from mesothelioma, and was in his early forties at the time.
I've watched this race several times & it was a good one. The Allison's were so popular Bobby could have been gouvener of Alabama anytime he wanted. The factory support was the only thing keeping these cars from becoming airborne. France's decision to ban these airodynamic's from NASCAR was short sighted to say the least...
Aero cars were never banned, they were limited to 305 CID after 1970.
@@Ziggy_Moonglow the 305cui engine restriction was only for '71 after that they all got banned. But the restrictions were enough that only one Charger Daytona was raced one or two races that year
Damn fine race!
Cigarette lighter OF COURSE. I can just see Winston marketing playing the clip in their boardroom
SMIFF! Someone really needs to pay da’ man
Foyt in that Bowsher FORD.
Wow close race! What a great win for Donnie! Ford may have won the battle, but Mopar would win the War the following season! Great footage!
Ford won the 1969 battle, 15 to 3, and Chrysler won the 1970 battle, 12 to 7. Ford won the 1969-1970 "Aero War" 22 to 15. Total wins, including short tracks for 1969-1970 come to 37 for Ford and 36 for Chrysler.
@@Ziggy_Moonglow Agreed, I'm not a Ford man, but I pay my respects when it's due. And it was definitely a tense and close race between the two, but I can say that Ford definitely had a better idea with their aero warriors all in all.
@@CudaRebelsAutoModeling426 each Ford team only drove about 20 races (and still had 10 wins) in 1970 because of Fords restrictions on sponsoring before they entirely quit NASCAR.
@@goldenltd1970 Yes, everything you said is also true, I'll be honest, Chrysler couldn't really compete (especially with sales) towards Ford then, but honestly, that may be why I respect Mopar a little more, they are the underdog to me. I may be fighting a losing battle, but you gotta admit, a company like Chrysler must have been real desperate to make a car as crazy unique as the Daytona and Superbird to get even remotely close to competing with Ford. Don't get me wrong though, I still have major respect for Fomoco though, they were really the king of motorsports, they were even going to make their own crazy unique aero car before they pulled out in 1970. any who I guess I'm off my soapbox, have a good day.
I bleed 100% ford blue but I do give credit to all manufacturers involved in nascar I gotta say Chrysler corporation sure went all out in the 69 70 seasons with there Daytonas and superbirds as they would prove to be tough competition against ford and ultimately ford would come out on top in total wins over the 2 seasons but as we all know it was not easy! I’ve always liked some of the cars Chrysler corporation put out and the Daytona charger 500 and super bird are no exception Id take one of them no problem to go along side the talladega and cyclone spoiler If only I could have all 5 lol but again what an amazing time in nascar racing history love seeing these aero and winged warriors go at it super fun to watch 👍
How many times did Jim McKay tell us how tall Buddy Baker was?
gary24fan every single time. Even in 63’
Wait wait how tall is he? I didn't quite catch it :)
Cigarette lighter (of course). Don't need the ashtray, cuz there ain't no windows.
Winston had to love THAT
"Of course the cigarette lighter" Thats cool.
Fans of the Dodge should note that on the last pit stop, Bobby Allison took new tires and Donnie only took gas and water..............then Donnie ran off and left the Daytona and had nearly a full lap on him on OLD tires.....................
Very interesting to know, and I understand too. however I wish some of you Ford guys wouldn't look at these races as only a "number" or "fact" to use against us ChryCo guys, I'm not saying we aren't perfect with arguments either, but at the end of the day... even though I will always be a Mopar nut, I'd rather see a Ford or Chevy take the checkered flag over a Ferrari, Honda, or Toyota any day.
If I could say anything to these people back in 69’ I would say wait till 1975 and buy a 69 Dodge Daytona for about 4 grand and put it in a climate controlled garage till 2010 then sell👍
You are a blessed man!
Pete Ellis Dodge in L.A. had 8 or 10 of the Dodge Daytonas and Plymouth Suprbirds in early 1970. Hemis and 440's. There were 3400 dollars and they could not give them away. Too "silly lookin" for anyone to buy in the day. If we only knew !!!
@@1999glocki remember a red superbird sitting on a lot for 11 months in my hometown. Word was he sold it for $500 UNDER his cost
Very well said! The Daytona and Superbird are now the "creme de la creme" of desirable muscle cars. I wish I would've taken your advice brother!
Hell not even 4 grand.....You could get a nice 68 GTX in the mid 70s for 1500 bucks....You could get a hemi riadrunner for 4 or 5k....
Of course the cigarette lighter
this is when nascar was very american and southern both now it s woke and dead thanks mr. bubba
He sure lost my respect when he done that. Blame Richard Petty as well. BLM put that logo on his car and that bag in his bank account
Right ! Too bad - Nascar is toast …. I have not watched a nascar event in over two years -
Screw them - woke - non - stock- car - “ racing “. Whatever - $$$$$ +¥?*
Was this a live broadcast?
No. Very few if any live races back then. In 70 ABC started carrying the last part of a few races live. In 71 a race at the 1/2 mile Greenville Pickens Speedway of only 200 laps was carried live flag to flag. The first 500 mile race televised live flag to flag was the 79 Daytona 500. Both the Greenville and Daytona races are on the You Tube.
ABC-TV Wide World of Sports could get away with televise-delay the race, as back then, mainstream media did little to report on NASCAR races, save for the Daytona 500.
Out in California the local TV newscasts sports segments wouldn't report on the race.
Newspapers 'may' have a race result listing of the race buried in the backpages of the Monday edition sports section.
Those that subscribed to Autoweek newspaper, such as myself, _may_ get the issue in the mail by Friday that would report on the previous Sunday races.
So, the ABC-TV highlights of the race, televised six days later, most TV viewers would be clueless of whom the winner would be.
4:57
It's been known that a Ford engine makes more power at the end of the race.
After the Ford's raced at Le Mans, the engines were put back on a Dyno and they made more power.
It appears the same thing happened to Ford's engines in NASCAR too.
This was the first REAL test of the Dodge Daytona.......it was no contest......the fords swept the top qualifying spots and donnie dominated........
1:50 "Elevated Stabilizer", LOLZ! Seriously, Chris Econmacki? Really??? 😄😄😄😅😅😂😂😂
Would you prefer he had said "Rear Deck Stabilizer System" since that's what it's called in the wind tunnel test documents?
1:40 500 cars must be sold unless they have a hemi. Then you just ban them for not be available enough? NASCAR is crooked as crap. They have ruined it completely. Bring back true “stock” cars and race them.
uh that was in the first half of 1965........the Hemi ran AND WON every year from its introduction in 1964 until everybody had to go to small blocks in 1974.
Typical naSCar, don't throw the flag, because if chevy can't win then we'll let Ford win not that new Dodge.
thats too funny, the new dodge was still no match for the Talladega Torino........watch the last pit stop......Bobby Allison took new tires and Donnie Allison only water and fuel and still went out and skunked the new Dodge by nearly a full lap. Just ran off and left them.