1 Quran Aayat Solves Sunni vs Shia debate within 6 minuites
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- Another Remarkably explained piece from lectures of Sheikh Khalil Jaffer. In recent times there has been no sunni vs shia debate that has been following the advise of Quran from both ends. How can one defend his deen if one is not aware of what the Quran teaches us?
The secret to gain success in a sunni vs shia debate is to counter your ego and sit together in a fair platform and follow the exact narration of Surah Saba, Chapter 34 verse 24.. Watch the video completely to know more.
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Quran 25 :74 says make us imams and good husband, Umar did Nika with Ali;s daughter so he is Imama per Quran and ahl Bait.
In fact all Ahlul bait did nikah with Sunnis only. because sheuh is pagan.
View : **shia scholars vs Quran** - by sunnah discourse.
Quran 4 : 59. O you who believe! Obey Allah & obey the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 illiterate is the word for you
Never believe what a Shia Rafidah says (such as..rafidah or Athna‘ashariyyah or Ithna‘ashariyyah or shia jafari) because according to their books written by their imaams, they follow Taqiyya (lying about their religion)! I meant Al-Kafi is the MOST reliable Shia Book, as the reliable Shia Scholars. Anyone believe these following from Al-Kaafee/Kafi by Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni. are NOT MUSLIM OR IN ISLAM. Believes kitab al-Kafi and bihar al-Anwar, he is no longer in Islam or Muslim. ...could be a SHIA RAFIDAH.
1) The Imams have knowledge of All that was given to the angels and the prophets. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.255 )
2) The Imams know when they will die, and they only die by their choice. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.258 )
3) The Imams have knowledge of the past and future; and nothing is hidden from them. ( Al-Kafi vol.1 p.260 )
4) "Bad'ah" ALLAH tells a lie. (Al Kafi, Vol. No.1, Page No. 148. A Shia doctrine.)
5) We are the eyes of the God in his creature and the final authority in all human beings. (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 145)
6) The Hujjat (Ultimate proof) of God can not be established without Imam. (Al Kafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 177)
7) The Shiite Raafidaah claim that the Al Quran we have is missing 10,000+ verses. (Al-Kafi, Vol 2 Pg. 634)
8) All the ṣaḥābah (the companions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) became murtadd after the death of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, except three. (Rawdat Al Kafi, Vol. No. 8, Page No. 167)
COMMENT: No doubt that these words are clear Kufr (Disbelief) and Shirk (Polytheism), because the knowledge of the unseen is only for Allah alone .. These words with no doubt countradict what Allah said in Surah Luqmaan "Verily, Allah With Him (Alone) is the knowledge of the Hour, He sends down the rain, and knows that which is in the wombs. No person knows what he will earn tomorrow, and no person knows in what land he will die. Verily, Allah is All-Knower, All-Aware (of things)" [Quran 31:34].
I am sunni by birth but I really love and respect Shiaa. Ali pbu and Fatima pbu are closest to my heart. اشهد ان لا اله الا الله وان محمد رسول الله واشهد ان على ولي الله وحبيب رسولنا الكريم
I am from Indonesia and I am sunni. I like this sheikh way of thought to resolve the difference sunni -syiah. Too many death and calamity on this two sect islam for centuries, and I I think it time to end it and live together peacefully. I dont know how, but I think this is the way we should go in to.
Nice clip. Could be applied universally. Truly Inspiring!
+Mo Datoo the most intresting part is, the people who claim to represent "true islam" from both sides, do not actually FOLLOW the teachings of quran...Subhanallah..
@@Thaqlain And grave worshipping Rafidhis do 😂? Most of the people who wrote your books of Hadith didn’t even believe the Quran we have is the right one lol (because Shiism has nothing to do with the Quran obv). How about you actually become Muslims first 😊?
@@harissyed3149 brother you have a lot of digging to do before claiming that shias muslims have nothing to do with the Quran.
@@hurabbas5959 Perhaps your version of Shiism is still broadly part of Islam, but 12erism is a totally separate faith.
@@harissyed3149 Nobody prays towards grave. You must be proud spreading lies
His words penetrated straight into my heart. Something tells me he is a genuine man and I as a Sunni would want to listen to this moderate man
Indeed Sheikh Khalil has a very soft yet logical speaking style. View more of his clips here: czcams.com/play/PLOXzVYnjThooyU_Jse8kz8lwI3ZRC694j.html
lol, instead of following these guys why don't you read the Quran and Hadith and learn Islam from the primary sources instead of some sheikh who is preaching unity with people who call out "Ya Ali" and "Ya Hussein" instead of Ya Allah.
@@iamnot664 exactly 💯
Thus guy is a snake in the grass
@@iamnot664
Your Hadith describe Aisha breastfeeding non-Mahram men. Are you sure you still want people to accept your Bakri books as “Sahih”?
I am a Sunni but am really inspired by the submission sheikh Made . Barakallahu fiikum
As soon as you said your sunni,you go against QURAN.... I LOVE YOU,keep striving in the way of ALLAH..
@@Masked-Man-Music no you don't cause shias came after by yahudi man so we can say we are sunni
@@ama8437
😂😂 such stupidity
@@AJ-Real313 Do your researches
Love to you muslim brother, the religion hasn’t changed. We love the sahaba(ra) but Ahlulbayt(as), they were chosen by Allah(swt) and there is evidence for it. May Allah bless you brother
As a Sunni I like what I heard, as long as we follow the Quran, stick to the tawheed and respect each others loved leaders, we will not have any problems.
You or anyone is not in the position to follow the Quran without the Ahalbayt. If you’re trying to solve the issue of this issue then that’s hypocrisy. Sahih Muslim says what ? Quran and Ahalbayt. So follow the two weighty things. Ahalbayt give you the correct theology not the Jewish theology the sunna follow
@@thelion2087 nonsense the Quran even tells Ahlul bait to follow the hikma in surah 33 which means sunna... its the sheuh who follow yeahood ibn saba.
@@thelion2087 Quran 25 :74 says make us imams and good husband, Umar did Nika with Ali;s daughter so he is Imama per Quran and ahl Bait.
In fact all Ahlul bait did nikah with Sunnis only. because sheuh is pagan.
View : **shia scholars vs Quran** - by sunnah discourse.
We can’t “respect” Abu Bakr, sorry
Anybody who tries opposing Lady Fatima in court is automatically unrespectable
But yes, we can choose not to disrespect such people vocally/openly. That is a compromise I am willing to make
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
Ka’ab al-Ahbar was a Khalifa-sponsored Jewish “convert” who preached his nonsense from the mosque
What are you even babbling about, your own house is a complete mess
In the end its not just about the difference of belief
Its about power
Who should be in power
And with power wealth shall come
Its a mix of greed and arrogance to accept the truth
A mix of man's weakness and iblees' weakness
You can show all the aayah in the Quran but if arrogance and greed still exists nothing will change
Greed and arrogance to accept the truth? Does that mean men are all deceptive and no one can pose a truth. Very flawed thinking!
Just a thought to share about "power , greed and arrogance " look at all if not most Arab leaders of the past and present and compare with the Iranian religious leader like Ayatollah Khomeini, Ali Khamenei and Ali al-Sistani, who have the lavish lifestyles and genuine interest for Muslims/Islam example : Palestine
JazakaAllah kheir. May Allah swt guide us and reunite us again.
indeed that's the way of Prophet and his ahlul bayt (peace be upon them).
as a Shia i agree with this
Wake up! Shia is the correct path.
As sunni i love shia brothers
I will fight for my sunni brothers just like the shia brothers
That sounds good... do you reject Iran?
view : **Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister & MaJewsi Iranian Foreign Minister** - by Nasir al Hanbali!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 first country I reject is Saudi
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Like saudi killed innocent women & children in yemen when prophet muhammad(s) forbidden kill women & children. I am sunni but i hate saudi. but iran also not good
The only thing that made any difference between Sunni and Shia, is the Sunni's belief that companions have a higher status than Ahlul Bayt, and the Shia's belief of the opposite of that. It really all boils down to this issue, everything else is an accessory or a consequence of that fundamental belief.
so wrong, please study your tawheed you give ali ra the ranks of more than the prophet and on top of that u think the imams are infallible astagfurallah akoistudy
@@alisam2260 well sunnis indrectly worship umar and abu bakr one is shaitan afraid of him the other none can question
please read the sahih bukhari and sahih muslim plus tabari books of history then come here and point fingers at others
@@forbiddenknowledge210 loool no we dont wth!
They are sahaba no one worships themselves like that u man are mentally I'll research properly with an open heart and get back to me
@@alisam2260 so then ur really ignorant of the concept cause I come from very well respected sunni tribe in my country go read before saying lol
@@forbiddenknowledge210 about what tell me please you are making no sense
Allahu akbar. Ladies and gentlemen this is what a true follower of Ali looks like. May Allah bless him.
My question is that since the ahl-bayt schools of theology and jurisprudence and aqeedah were centered around the Iraqi/ azerbazian and persian territories and did not come into play until Imam Jaffar Assadiq (AS) established a madhab.. so did everyone else get it wrong until the 6th Imam? Also for 23 years of the prophet PBUH''s life-- he was deluded by companions almost absolutely necessary for the propagation of Islam? The men and women who stood by him through thick and thin regardless of what happened afterwards between them.. they all had some sort of conspiracy that he-- the prophet of Allah SWT knew nothing about? I find it really hard to wrap my head around that.
What do u mean centered around iraq.....Most of the imams were in Medina....every one had access 2 the imams for guidance...it basically started 2 took a book form at the time of Jafar as sadiq a.s, for ppl from the later generation to follow. Reason obviously the rulers did not allow the earlier imams to do so. Sunni schools also came after him.
Your premise that all the people who you say or think were sahabas were needed for propagation of islam is incorrect. Also the basic msg was only that their is one God and Muhammad saw is the last prophet. Its fairly easy 2 understand.
Also just 2 add to the above even Allah in the quran says u have munafiqs around u....Prophet knew that, he was there 2 tell the msg of Allah, and unless they did something completely wrong he wasnt going 2 kick them out
danzdaname just a quick question. Do you love the Ahle Bait & Sahabah .
@@Asif_Malik786 we' ve been commanded by Allah and the prophet saw to love and follow ahlulbayat. I respect all the saleh sahahbas who remained steadfast during the life and after th4 passing away of Prophet saw. Such as Salman al farsi...miqdad..abu zar..etc they command our respect but i am not commanded to follow them compared to Ahlul bayat.
But thr question is why do you blindly follow every1 who was around prophet saw, and believe this is what Allah has asked you to do?
danzdaname Salam . It was just a question . You confirmed your love for the Ahle Bait and Sahabah . I love those who the prophet loved. It doesn’t matter to me who was the first caliph or the last . That was a matter that was decided at that time. To me the best of people like Hazrat Ali Hazrat Abu Bakr were all rightly guided because they were the best of people who the prophet loved. I just don’t understand why there has to be two teams in the ummah now who are fighting because of the history . We are Muslims of today not the people of the past . We need to act accordingly and not bitter and hate each other cos of who we think was right or wrong. Me personally think both Shi’a and Sunni are wasting their life on this. We should concentrate on our own deeds so than we can be with the loved ones.
All Muslims must love the Ahlul Bahyt and all His Companions.
Period
The Quran says, the Prophet asks no reward for his effort except to love his relatives. Not his companions 🙂
@@ThaqlainAs a human being loves everyone's and try not to hates anyone's.... That's what the prophets says...you must have an unsound mind... sorry for you
Then the Quran shouldn't have said specifically to love Prophet's family 🙂
I think the wisdom from the following verse resolves the sunni-shia issue.
Allah SWT said:
تِلْكَ أُمَّةٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ ۖ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَلَكُمْ مَّا كَسَبْتُمْ ۖ وَلَا تُسْئَلُونَ عَمَّا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ
"That was a nation which has passed on. It will have [the consequence of] what it earned, and you will have what you have earned. And you will not be asked about what they used to do."
(Al-Baqara 2: Verse 134)
abu sumayyah ,adam Ahmed i thought he was going to mention this very ayah lol
We are still the same nation! We are the Mohamad s puh Ummah! We are conserned about whatever happened because we are still having the same positions as those in the past. So it applies on us!
Allahummə salli əla Muhəmmədin (s) və Ali Muhəmməd (s) və əccil Fərəcəhum Şərif (ə).
Reconciliation between us is very urgent because today the Muslim ummah remarkable devided enemys instigating between our ummah Allah sake if we together as one ummah then the enemies destruction unfortunately enemy understood but our ummah ignorance...
I would love see Shaik Hamza Jafer and Shaik Hamza Yusuf sit together and talk for hours and hours ..
No because they are bred in the Saudi hate factory.
Jazakum Allahu Khairan. Allah swt says: "...fa intana zahtum fi shai-in fa ruduhu il-Allah wa Rasool..." That is a powerful solution, inshaa Allah.
Jazkallah khair great message 🥰
I never get my questions answered by Sunni because as soon as I ask a question about difference between shia and Sunni they answer by saying I’m Muslim. I didn’t doubt you being Muslim and shame on you for not answering my question. But if you ask the same question from Shia scholars they will answer you.
Look at metal behind this priest, it says Ya-Hussein,,, ,,, look at how he dont believe the Qoran,,, 1-and invoke not besides Allah, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if you did so, you shall certainly be one of the zalimun (polytheists and wrong doers). And if Allah touches you with hurt, there is none who can remove it but he, and if he intends any good for you, there is none who can repel his favour which he causes it to reach whosoever of his slaves he wills. And he is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (10:106-107) (2-) “And the mosques are for Allah (alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allah” (72:18)
(3-) "Is not He Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls Him; and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth, generations after generations? Is there any god with Allah? Little is that you remember!"(27:62)
if one leaves the past behind, does not mean one suppresses what happened.
When you're rational, it's the case. But most of humans aren't rational
@@DuskyLark in the Holy Quran, which is the unaltered word of our Creator and is a fully detailed/complete guidance for a human being, you will find the following text (translation is not always precise/correct, so one should study it in Arabic):
"He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills."
In Islam there is no obligation or added value for a Muslim to additionally choose a sect/direction such as Sufism, Sunnism, Shiism, Salafism etc. Sects divide the Muslim Ummah or add novelties (bidʻah), which is haram. I find it also degrading/humiliating when someone says that you need to be part of a sect to complete your Deen, as if being Muslim is not enough, astaghfirullah. Again, the Holy Quran is a complete, fully detailed, and our Creator made it easy for us, which also means no mediator or intermediary is needed between a Muslim and Allah subhanahu wa taala.
Ayat ul Kursi
In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Allah - there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence.
Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep.
To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth.
Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission?
He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills.
His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not.
And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
Thw SUNNAH OF ALLAH SWT never changes 17:77. That's the key. Who are following ALLAH'S SUNNAH???
What does the quran say about dividing the ummah into sects???There's your answer....
Sura aali imran
Ayat 103
Check yourselves
@@SHAKIRABBAS72
What is that mean
Fact you say you're a muslim then take from Qur'an hadith and people who saw prophet peace be upon Him
Ok how can we do that ? PROPHet pbuh said follow Quran and my ahlulbait.sunni brothers say they love ahlulbait but they don't follow their teachings.not just that.they even changed the salah and accuse us that we've changed it.they follow sunnah of Umar .not the sunnah of prophet pbuh.they should accept the right path.where did this sunni religion came from ? Isn't this the islam of banu ummaiya.
The sunnah of prophet Muhammad SAW is preserved in sunni teachings and comes down to the presetvation and rijal science of the hadith. As a shia you should he aware that the shias borrowed from the oroginals preservations of core sunni texts. This whole sunnism is banu ummayah islam is a lovely narrative pushed into layman shia to try and solidify the shia thought process that shia'i are the ones who truly preserve islam. It is an oversimplification and ridiculous statement to think that sunni scholars arent aware of early islam and influences of the caliphates. Neither you nor i stand any where in regards to classical scholars. And when it comes to authenticating hadith pertaining to your imam baqir and imam sadiq, by shia AND sunni standards your sanad fall short of strong chains (daeef and mursal) and contain "annoymous" individuals. This why sunnis challenge the shia narrative. 3 examples of this are 1. Not reciting dua kumayl on Thursdays because of the unreliability of the sanad of the hadith that speaks to do so. 2. The karbala narrative changing enormously(ghuluw of the martyrs - the classical sources from which modern karbala texts and matam are derived from are dramatically different in the statistics and narrative) 3. The story of the death of fatima at the hands of umar (a story that was not recounted amongst thebearly members of ahlul bayt ie. Imam baqir and sadiq and first appears 300 years later after the event. Shia islam politicises islamic history and an extremely skewed view which provokes a very emotional response in many muslims but where are facts to back up these claims? And while you're at it, point out tonmenqho in the ahlul bayt prayed on specifically on the turbah? Did Rasulallah SAW ever pray on a turbah specifically? Bit hypocritical when you say taraweeh is bidah (Rasulallah SAW prayed in congregationin Ramadan- not as a compulsory prayer but he did regardless) yet no instance of a turbah is mentioned in his life, explain how that is not considered bidah
@@friedeggswithbeef Hello I don't get what you're saying as we derive our hadiths directly from the prophets and his Ahlul Bayt and their proper companions. We have hadiths relating to all the incidents you mentioned and they are even mentioned in Sunni Sahih as well. All the narratives you mentioned are authentic historical extracts that are reliable in both Sunni and Shia texts. We do have Ilm Al rijal in all our teaching especially in howza. Furthermore, the preservation of Islam can be done by anyone the only difference is that we take out traditions based on the ones we trust by how they lived their lives. No offense as just trying to explain but we don't consider Ayesha as an authentic narrator of hadiths whereas we consider Umm Salama as more authentic. both are the wives of the prophet and both have narrated hadiths but Sunni Muslims consider Ayesha as authentic whereas Shia hadiths consider Um Salama as authentic. SO in this regard, there becomes a difference in traditional heritage and hadith heritage in both our sects. We study our own hadiths using our own trusted sources and are very critical of them, I've heard that there was a sheik that spent several years just trying to prove one hadith. This is because we are very critical of hadiths and their narrators. Also, one of the reasons that it was so hard to get extracts from Ahlul Bayt other than imam Jaffar A.S is because most of them were persecuted by the caliph of the time and martyred through that and what they taught would be burned or rid of. So if you actually do find some inconsistencies then they are either irrelevant to the core arguments (such as the legitimate successorship of Ahlulbayt) we make or that they have risen because of the attacks on our hadiths. If this is what you meant then I hope It answered somewhat.
Also just to add, the fact is we have plenty of authentic hadiths is legitimate for our clause. These are also found majorly in Sahih books in our Sunni brother's texts. So the case that we don't have legitimacy is not correct because if its found in both our and your books our stories and your stories are not found in ours there exists an inconsistency. This inconsistency exists only where the texts are not corresponding majorly.
btw this is just my opinion hope it helped.
Bro didnt you just watch the video he said not to start hatred but instead start proper discussion. The only thing you will do is make a hatred in the umma.
@@light-within-me743 which ummah and which brotherhood you're talking about I'm tired of all these humble talks which you shias used and when you send curse upon all companions except three and 2 of the wives of prophet Pbuh and we sunnis are lover of them they're righteous figures in Islam except for you peoples and in your shias point of view if a person is cursed one than the lover of the person is also cursed one when you're sending curse upon ahluylbayt enemies which you Shias think they're companions than how could you say to the peoples who loved companions as brothers, in your shias beliefs companions are going to hell that means the lover of the companies are also going to hell so it's simply means we 1.7 billion sunni muslims are cursed one and we're also going to hell because we love and respect those figures so isn't it all contradicting your shias beliefs syestem it's totally nonsense i don't know why you shias used taqqiya because it's really taqqiya you don't see us as brothers and are waiting for mehdi to revenge us muslims and this all talks and slogans of brotherhood and unity which is used by Shias are because we sunni muslims are 1.7 billion we're in majority and you peoples are minorities that's why you hide your actual beliefs
@@adilsidd8063 brotherhood and unity “despite differences”. I dont expect u to compromise ur beliefs like i dont expect my self and shia to compromise theirs. We have our trust. Our sources. Our historical analysis and core pillars. Our interpretations differ. Nut what unites us? We pray to the same qibla, to the same Allah swt, we have the same quran, we both pray 5 times a day, we both believe in heavan and hell etc. differences exist for sure but it doesnt mean we shouldnt unite on what unites us. We do curse bad people as Allah swt in the quran curses evil people. We consider them evil for what they did. You dont. You might like a tv show and i might dislike it because i think it goes against my interests. Thus could be related to our relegion too.
No you wont go to hell for liking someone, but you will if truth is given to you and you still denied. Thats for both of us. Also everyones keeps going on about minority that minority this. When did any prophet come to anyone and the majority of them were good. Ill tell you right now even shia have bad people. Theres a hadith that says “ imam mahdi wont arise until there are a few thousands of companions ready for him” or something like that i quoted it not correctly but u get the gist of it. So 300 million shias, 1 billions sunnis and not a thousand are ready for our imam, our leader. Imam mahdi a.s we both consider as our leader to unite thisnworld and give justice. So the manority arguement is nullified. As imam ali a.s says “ do not follow people to know truth, know truth and you will know its people”.
Now the idea that some how ur superior because of ur numbers is nonsensical. Christians outnumber us. Should i become christian or u? No. Its because islam makes sense. Now which sect follows the total teaching and interpretations and sunnah thats what u need to figure out.
Shia shouodnt abandon their beliefs to unite. Sunnis shouldnt too. What we can do us respect each other and focus on what unites us, as imam khomeini says “ whilst we are argueing in praying with our hands folded or our hands on our sides. Our enemies are thinking about cutting them off completely.”
Dont enforce ur history on shia nor us. But we can have a proper discussion. It seems today we dont discuss we debate to win to get the crowd. No debate is a discussion. We both beleive in our truths do shias deserve to die over years and year since the prophets time. No. We dont. Yet we still want to unite.
The concept of cursing id entirely different thing i just wanted clarify to u that ur beliefs and interpretations shouldnt be the standard. I mean u literally have different madhabs that pray differently. Like malikis literally pray like us except theres no turbah. Hanafis and shafis also pray differently etc, and all the fundamental laws. Why arent u tryna kill the ahmadis for their differences. Does me not likig someone u respect means indeserve to die or be persecuted. I hope not cuz who wouod want to be a muslim. I believe in my hostory and interpretation and you urs therefore what we are similar in is what unites us. No matter what u think i love my muslim brothers. Jazakallah khair
The reason for our problems is not difference of opinion but Arroganca and ignorance.
If we would debate with the thought that Allah is watching over us and the person in front is not the enemy but the devil in the heart is.. WE WILL BE GUIDED INSHALLAH.
True, but the moment we try to tell them that , they say we Shia are misguided , and tell us we as munafiqs , kufr, shirk and than tell the audience don't listen to these deviant idealogy , what do we do , ..check speakers corner ,Shias calmly and respectfully explain , ..what is the feedback ,twisted naratives from the opposite side and sometimes raising of emotions and voice .
The shia Iran is already proving their support for sunni brothers in Palestine.
Would the sunni stand up against oppression of shias in countries like Pakistan? When the oppressors are themselves from ahl-e-sunnat/ sunnis. Or the shia oppression by sunnis regime in Saudi Arabia?
I have heard sunni scholars addressing shias as non-muslims! The ahl-e-sunnat need to do self analysis and self-introspection.
What i have seen, Sunni loves ahle bayt and particularly Fatima A.S but shia makes it obligatory upon them to curse Umar, Abu Bakr, and this is on ground reason why they cant sit together.
Complete video link?
It is a series of 12 days. You can search it on youtube with keywords, “In search of orthodox Islam”.
What's really sad is this kind of thinking is why Allah SWT took Prophet Muhammads (peace be upon Him) sons at such early ages r.a. because Allah did not want people raising their status over or to the status of Prophets (peace be upon them all) and fighting over power. If Ali r.a. had problems with the first 3 caliphs I'm positive there would be numerous sayings directly from Him illuminating this and He was no coward He would of claimed His rightful position but we here nothing from Him about such things. Instead we find that He worked with them and supported their rule. Why would He place Hasan and Hussein r.a. as guards at Uthmans r.a. if he had no love for him? Why would he serve as a judge for Umar r.a. and why would he make the famous statement about Abu Bakr r.a. when he passed away?
There is read Imam Ali’s sermon in najhal balagha he explains why did not not fight the 3 caliphs and why he endured instead it was a conmand from Ali and he said that the prophet told him he would face many challenges in his life after his death and this is what he meant that his gift he got from Allah on the day of ghardir where he was declared the leader and yet still the companions took his leadership and these are the same companions you say may god bless them like come on you some brain cells
dear Thaqlain - Islamic Reminders
how to get this video without inbuilt subtitles cos i m gonna put tamil subtitles over it. pls advise me, thx
This is in the first lecture of "In Search of Orthodox Islam"
Ibadi, Khwarij/Takfiri, Shia, Sunni, Sufi, and others were all not the initial path of Islam in this era, but they arise from political and academic alliances or even psychological types. Islam has no sects, but brings those who believe the same together, despite any differences outside having the same Quran, to the letter, and five pillars of faith.
+Jaefar SABNW but sadly a very egoistic approach is generally taken by leadership of almost all sects..
That is very true.
Jaefar SABNW rabbi zidni ilma
Jaefar SABNW the term “sunni” was given to those who sticked to the right path after people created many sects. Tell me, what else can we call ourselves? We can’t just call ourselves “Muslims” because you have millions of sects claiming to be so. You have to be specific, we are sunni muslims to stick to the right path.
Well , similarly, "shia" means followers, it can be said the same, that we kept following the right path while others went astray ^_^
Jazakallah kheer Sheikh
My family is a Shia and my family and I dislike sayings such as “ya Ali”, “ya hussain”, “ya Fatima” etc etc I really don’t like it when Shias put the name ya -- on a hand and hang it. All praise belongs to Allah. We should call to no one but God for help and we do not need any mediator in between. I know why shias call on them because they believe they were good people and so God would listen to them. But God doesn’t need you to be a close to perfect human to warrant you being heard by him. I love that Shias are close to prophet Mohammad’s blood relatives but this practice of putting mediators between us and God needs to stop.
Indeed. Allah too shouldn't have praised people in the Quran.
@@Thaqlain praising someone doesn’t mean we take them as mediators in this world. The Quran literally says and I’m paraphrasing, God alone we worship and God alone we ask for help. It does say God alone we worship and The infallible believers we call upon to tell God to help us. I know there were people who asked prophet Mohammad to speak on behalf of them to God when they wanted God to forgive them but they did that when he was alive. You can’t ask someone who passed away for help. At the end of the day they are humans and have human limitations. The dead cannot help you. Maybe in the after life you can ask prophet Mohammad’s family to speak on your behalf but it’s not right to do it in this world. I love ahlul bait with all my heart. I think they were as close to perfect as humans can be (although not infallible). and 100% with no doubt that God speaks highly of them and even asks as to follow in their footsteps, but that’s not an invitation to call on people who passed away for help.
But the Quran says not to call them dead. In fact Quran says they are receiving Rizq. So should we follow you or the Quran?
@@Thaqlain if your talking about the verse about martyrs not being dead, I believe that and that verse applies to any martyr in Islam not just the prophets blood relative. The children of Gaza are also martyrs and they are pure, does that mean I can use them as mediators to reach god. No. Use your brain. There is a difference between a martyr that is not dead and an actual person that you can see physically.
You just said in your previous comment that it is completely ok to do this when they are not dead. But you are now not ok, though the Quran says that they are not dead.
Anyways, in every walk of life, we surrender to the will of Allah and His Messenger. If you wish to learn more about this concept of Tawassul and how both Allah and His holy book encourage it, we encourage you to watch "Reality of Tawassul" on the Thaqlain app.
Irony is that whenever sunni speakers challenge shia speakers to debate they turn silent 😅
veton hoti because-no offense- but sunnis debate, they don’t debate politely and listen to the other side; they shout, talk above everyone else and basically shut them up and don’t allow them to speak. This is what I have observed in EVERY SINGLE debate with no exceptions and I have seen LOADS of those, trust me! Allah and prophet Mohammed pbuh instruct us not to debate with such people
Also when they debate, they choose an average guy off the streets that may have limited knowledge and they don’t debate the real scholars who have real knowledge
Its simple,
We dont have any clue about Imamah, infallibility and appointment of Imams and salvation is to consider 12 imams as divine authority to change shariah in Quran.
We know Shia sources are not older than Sunni sources and Shias totally copy ilm ur rijal from Sunnis. Most of their narrations are wrongly attributed to Ahl ul Bait. Hence not reliable.
Last, Shias blame people who were trusted by Muhammad pbuh, Even slander about the wives of Prophet pbuh who were called Umhaat Ul Momineen by Allah. So either they dont trust choices of Muhammad pbuh or they are following someones else religion like Ibn e Sabaa.
For us Sunnis Shias are far away from actual Islam and are just like Qadianis and other deviant sects. Who made a religion out of political differences amongst companions and made two parties Family of Prophet pbuh and His wives and friends. Complete nonsense.
You say there's no clue about imamah in Qur'an...ok...so tell me where it's written in the Qur'an that after prophet Muhammad pbuhhf, we have to follow his companions...???
you say that Shias blame people who were trusted by the Prophet...well, was anyone trusted by the Prophet more than his daughter Fatima and his brother and son-in-law Ali.
there're clear cut proofs in the Qur'an and the sahih hadith books that the Prophet saww appointed Ali as his successor...
I know you will completely disregard whatever I've written...but if at all you want to understand the history behind the division in the Muslim world, read this book "then I was guided" available from Google...give it a try if u must...it explains everything from the Qur'an and the hadiths ...I cross checked the things and it helped me a lot ..give it a read...not a very big book...will help... jazakallah
@@zee_ali
No Sunnis says that appointment of Khalifa is in Quran. Quran says about Shura and Obeying Ameer, only if He is doing according to Shariah.
Where doest Quran says Ahl e Bait a.s are to be followed??? Please shed some light on it. Whereas Quran says follow Companions and We regard Ahl e Bait a.s also as companions its you who consider them counterparts of each other.
We as Sunnis trust Ali a.s and Close companions of Prophet pbuh alike. Ali a.s was a kid when Abu Bakr r.a were facing torments of Qurysh with Muhammad pbuh. You guys dont even spare Women who Allah says are mothers of believers. Now tell me what Islam says about disobeying Parents which include mothers.???. As per your style of putting your own meanings to words mentioned in hadith and Quran, Can we blame Ali a.s for disobeying Mother of Believers. Who is more trustworthy MOTHERS or KIDS???
SO PLEASE SHIAISM IS FALSE BELIEF A DEVIANT SECT MADE BY MOJOS OF IRAN AND THEIR LORD WAS IBN E SABA WITH HIS EGYPTIAN SPYS.
YOU CAN FOLLOW YOUR AL KAFI and WE know better than you what our books say. Dont think we can not understand our books. Because you have no clue how hadith science works and how Quran is explained by Companions including ahl e bait. Because you have developed all this later after 3 centuries by copying our work.
@@paksirzameenkanizam7195 Growing up, I had two options - either go by hearsay and keep following the religion of my forefathers (which most people in the world do - Muslims, non Muslims and atheists alike; and which the Qur'an advises us not to do) or do my own research and try to understand which Islam is correct....
Now, you agree that appointment of Khalifa is not there in the Quran, so when I am willing to show you Imamat in the Qur'an, why aren't you interested in seeing where it is?? Does Quran say that go and do shura immediately after the Prophet's death even before burying him ??? You believe that we should never question the actions of any of the companions, but Allah has said in the Qur'an that there were companions who were munafiq and who ran away from battle deserting the Prophet...it's all there, you can only disregard it with excuses but can't deny it..
You say Ali as was a kid when Abu Bakr r.a were facing torments of Qurysh with Muhammad saww...ever heard of dawat e zul ashira ??? Do you know who slept in the Prophet's bed on the night of Hijrat when the kuffars were waiting to kill him ??
Of course the wives of the Prophet are to be respected, but when you question the trustworthiness of Ali as over others, do you realize that you're questioning the man for whom the Prophet has said, "I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate" ???
All this talk about Shia sect made by Iran and ibn sabaa are nonsense...You also say we copied you 3 centuries later to make our religion...that's laughable really...we follow the Islam given by the Prophet and the people of his house - his brother & son in law Ali, his daugther Fatima and their children..And we follow them bcoz Allah orders us to follow them, want to know where, you'll get the answer in the book...so how do you come up with all this stuff ???
The questions you raise are valid bcoz that's what the general perception is about Shias due to false propoganda ..agree with you on that...I myself had similar questions growing up...but then, you're a literate Muslim who's done his research and is passionate about his religion..that's why we're discussing this, right...?? Why not do a bit more research...if you aren't convinced, so be it..but then give it a read at least before concluding.
So if you really are looking for answers to the questions you've raised, you will find them in this book 'Then I was Guided'...I mean we read all kinds of stuff day in and day out don't we...so what's the harm in reading a small book for the sake of our belief...you want to know where imamat is there in the Qur'an, you'll find it explained there, you want to know why Shias follow Ali and Fatima over and above everyone else, you'll find it explained there...and answers to many more things falsely ascribed to shias...
And if you're not interested in finding the answers to your own questions, then you can keep following the people who denied the Prophet's daughter her right (read FADAK)..and I'll keep following the man who the prophet appointed at dawat e Zulashira and also at Ghadir...and if you believe that they're also made up by Shias and so on, then the answer is there in that book...
Nothing more to add..
@@zee_ali
Where Quran Says Follow Ahl e Bait a.s?
Whereas Quran clearly says Follow companions.
Where Quran Says Following Ali r.a only after Muhammad pbuh?
Whereas Quran clearly say Follow Nabi a.s, Ali a.s or any other person is not even mentioned by name. Its tour core belief that's why it should be explicit not ambiguous.
FADAK was MAAL E FAY. Allah Clearly says how to use Maal e Fay. It was misunderstanding between both not an issue of Aqeedah. If Fadak was huq of Fatima a.s then why it wasn't a huq of Umhaat Ul Monineen? But you don't talk about that strange 😂. Why when Ali a.s became Khalifa didn't gave it back to his family strange 🤔 Since centuries SHIAS are being answered CLEARLY but they have to do SHIRK, MATAM, MUTAH, CURSING COMPANIONS/WIVES OF WORLDS MOST HIGH PERSON.
For every FABRICATION that you guys make or historically made is answered so many times but you don't bother to read that with an open mind.
Here is one source: www.twelvershia.net
@@paksirzameenkanizam7195 the answer to all your questions are there in the book 'Then I was Guided'...
As for your source, I've been through it..and found it quite amusing really..the kind of stories they've ascribed to Shias ..it's ok bro ...carry on believing in the false propogandas with your "open mind"
as I said earlier, can't help if someone only wants to ask questions show this, show that, etc and when he's told where he'll find the answers, he doesn't want them...
Ahsant! Excellent video. Not talking about things is not the answer.
+Ali Hayder Husain true..
Splendid!
What is the name of this scholar???
Sheikh Khalil Jaffer..
MashaAllah
SubhanAllah
We arw all muslim ....رسولنا لم يكن سنيا او شيعيا prophet mohamec pbu was not sunni ir shiaa
Our differences are Historic rather Islamic...
some within Shia have already added the third shahadah in namaz, which we Shia do not agree to..
Let others do what they want as long as it's within Shariyah, i don't follow the teachings of other 3 khulfa, let it with me, why pinch others?
90% of shia's dont recite 3rd shahadah in namaz and in azaan it is mustahab to recite 3rd shahada(strongly recommended)
Other,who recite 3rd shahadah in namaz, dont know why they do that because their no possible evidence(daleel) of the 3rd shahadah in namaz
Every sunni follows the the 3 caliphs
Their are many things they changed
Like roza timing,azaanetc
If u r adding things in Salath then it means Shia theology is an absolute crap. Sunnism prevails, just imagine, 90 percent of the Muslim population, so the message is clear. Bidah can never prevail
Nothing got solved by this video or that ayat. It didn't prove which one is right. That would be solving it.
The point of this video is to just tell you the correct intention that one should have before going into a discussion.
Often times the aims of a debate is to win. That brings in ones ego and therefor there is a presentation of arrogance on both side.
This video is a tool.. you use it, you succeed.
Thaqlain - Islamic Reminders i like this point; that is the point should be to stimulate respectful dialogue for the purpose of better understanding each other, so we can have empathy for each other and prevent unnecessary conflict and harm. No debate will ever prove to one side or the other who is right and who is wrong - only Allah knows that anyway.
@@polopunk7003, actually some topics ideas can be proved by debate.
I am a sunni and follow the Sunnah - But sunni and Shia is a man made thing so I am only a MUSLIM end off!
The word Sunni is man-made, whereas the word Shia is in the Quran.
@@DaTruth1017
Shiaism is not islam
This guy I saw him telling his listeners to invoke imams instead of ALLAH. whenever they're in need.This how Shia plays their games go deep inside you will see they are NOT following the teaching of Qur'an and our beloved Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Please share the reference where he asked to invoke Imams instead of Allah?
@@Thaqlain please watch this till end and reply me back.👉 The "Tawheed" of Imamites (Grave Worshippers)!
Anti-Majos.
There is this Sheikh and there is Shamsi, Adnaan and rest of Dawah (hyde park) team.
Out of all *one* is guided and *other's* are misguided.
False sunni scholars, you ask a simple question and they attack you as they follow umar who used to shout at rasollolah.
Nice video but very misleading title.
+Ahlulbayt Society Kuwait ASK i think it will work if you see a debate/discussion beyond winning and loosing. Following the word of Allah will get us to a perfect understanding.
Thaqlain Sure yes, I agree. I didn’t mean that, rather I was expecting a video that was going to give advice as to which ayat to use to finalise the debate. There are many ayats to use but I thought he was going to give us one that he would have used to give irrefutable proof. Its just my misunderstanding of the video title. But jazakAllah for the upload.
+Ahlulbayt Society Kuwait ASK thank you... Inshallah there is a lot more videos in line... :)
Is there much Shia Muslims in Kuwait?
If the idea is that I as a muslim class the ahlulbayt of priority. Yes. Do I feel in my heart of heart from what I have read that Ali is of preference in khilafat, I agree.
But to then twist the religion into extremism of the Shia and the Wahabi/Sunni where one goes to worship the grave and the other advocates positive propaganda of Yazid. No.
I stay therefore a Muslim. And refrain from sect identity. Simply try your best as a human to do some good on this Earth by following the book and words that are authentically asserted to have been from the apostle.
Now; if you are Shia or Sunni. I have this to say to you:
ما انتم عليه بفاتنين؟؟!! الا من هو صال الجحيم
سورة الصافات.
You have "Ya Hussein" written behind u and u want to unite with Ahlu Sunnah that only call out "Ya Allah"! Fix ur aqidah and stop ur shirk first then talk!
It is going on muharram at that time
Ali Ayoubi man stfu and if you don’t like it than change the channel. You sensitive little bitch. I don’t understand why these fuckin so called scholars give a damn about shia and sunni uniting. Even till this day this shit over n done with I don’t get it.
I couldn't have said it better my brother Ali, this is Kufr
@Mohd Sadiq why? It's an honor to have the name Ali. I'm just warning you shia mushriks against calling on anyone except Allah SWT. A mushrik never enters Jannah remember!!! Calling Ya Ali or Ya Hussein is SHIRK!
May Allah guide u all back to Islam.
@Mohd Sadiq sorry I don't speak or understanding anything u wrote.....I'm an Arab.
Subhanallah!
*Those who have divided their system and become sects, you have nothing to do with them.* Their matter will be with God, then, He will inform them of what they had done. (6:159)
The old tactics of shia taqiyya
But it's already failed
Because of Imamah, and many inventions, Sunni and shias can not get along together.
Yeah they need to stop giving attributes of Allah to humanbeings....
@@ridovercascade4551 Exactly
Well, Sunni is an invention. Shia is the truth insha allah.
@@ridovercascade4551 Isn't Hazrat Esa as title the Spirit of God?
@@HiHi-ek1dd If you think that calling upon Ali, saying "Madad madad ya Ali !", making 3ibada to Hassan, Hussein etc is the truth, then I hope that you'll open your eyes on the shirq you fell on insha'Allah
Salaam Alaykum. Question: I am not a Muslim (I am a Catholic) but does Islam (Sunni or Shi'a) have anything that'd be the equivalent to the Church Fathers of Christianity?
Shi'a seems to be more "Catholic" structurally (examples include the focus on tradition and scripture, the orientation towards the Ahl al-Bayt mirroring the Catholic view toward saints, the Twelve Imams mirroring Christ's Apostles/apostolic succession). I've seen some Muhammad Hijab (a Sunni) debates with several Shi'a and he seems to take a more "Protestant" (scripture alone) view when debating.
Catholics and Orthodox aren't as well versed in Biblical scripture as a Protestant, but will often defer to the early Church Fathers that give the Bible some context (which Protestants usually lack). I'm wondering if Shi'a Islam has something similar.
Thanks for reading.
The main difference in Shia and Sunni teachings can be understood by knowing where the teachings are taken after Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) left this world.
The Sunnis take the teachings from the Sahabah and their understanding of Quran reflects their understanding.
This Shias, take their teaching from the Ahlulbayt (household of Prophet Muhammad (s)) after Prophet Muhammad (s), and that reflects in their understanding of Quran.
Thaqlain - Islamic Reminders thank you for responding. I guess another way to phrase my question is: are there any important Shi’a theologians that were around near the time of the Prophet (pbuh)? I’m aware of Averroes and Avicenna but I’m not sure if they were Shi’a. Are you aware of any other theologians?
Avicenna was not alive at the time of the Prophet.. Prominent companions including Bilal, Salmane Farsi, Abu Zarr and many more were shias and adhered to the teachings of Quran and Ahlelbayt and had an important role in spreading Islam which we now today as shia teachings.
Asad Raza good response. Thank you for your response
@@glof2553 search up Hojjatul Islam Sheikh Muhammad Ali Shomali , he's an amazing Shia Muslim scholar he's got amazing books on tons of topics and he's famous for interfaith dialogues😁
There can be reconciliation with those who curse Sahaba and make false accusations the mother of believers and also commit acts of Shirk against Allah. This Taqqiya won't work. Shia religion is closer to Zoroastrianism and Judaism than Islam.
Can you share proof that Shia school is close to Zoroastrianism and Judaism than Islam?
I read this book "then I was guided" available from Google, and it helped me understand Islam a lot better...give it a try if u must...will help
Is there any in between? Do I have to be Sunni or Shia? Can't I just be?
You can be someone who follows the Quran and Ahlulbayt. In the common man's term, those who follow these two are known as Shia :)
@@Thaqlain Thank you! I love unity
You can be Muslim - no Shia no Sunni
@@nooral-firdaus7144 This is my hope, I dislike the seperation.
You can be a Muslim without Sunni Shia, but I tell you to study both and see who has the most of the teachings of the prophet Muhammad for example in prayer and to pray with Turbuh( a type of stone that Shia Muslims pray in because the prophet on stone (of the earth and to feel nature prayin) and in Wudu
He speaks about reconciliation between shia/sunni,but neglects to address the Akhbari Shia & usooli shia devide.
The Akhbari and Usuli Shia is not a division but an approach. Their beliefs are 100% identical.
One is the guardianship of Imam Ali (as) while the other the guardianship of the jurists surah 5 ;55
Akhbari three testimonies, usooli only two kalimah tayyabah elevates good deeds to Allah (swt) shahadat not shahadatain
They both accept guardianship of Imam Ali. The Usuli using narrations reached a conclusion that in absence of Imam a jurist proficient in Usul al-Fiqh. The Akhbaris don't believe in Usul al-Fiqh. That's the only difference. The core beliefs are 100% identical.
The difference is the approach towards jurisprudence.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory!😲🤔🧐🙄😙😁🙂😉😎👍🏽."
Mashallah.deep rooted dichotomy, but truth is truth, either we believe in Allah or Satan, saying, we believe in Allah undoubtedly, but Satan too worshipped, prostated position for 6k, years, expecting, position from Allah, once Allah inclined to create Adam a s. Knowing this turned hostile to Allah, History written about events occurred, 1,2nd world war took place, no body can deny, after math commemorated,on that day. some say, biased history, others say unbiased, can't be ruled out the event took place.
The unbelievers are taking chances of our conflicts.
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"Many people,
otherwise considered
'sane' are reporting
hearing 'voices' in
their head." 😲😖🤯🙃🤠😗🙂😉😎👍🏿"
"If you're not careful,
the newspapers will
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people who are
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loving the people
who are doing the
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- Malcolm X 🤔😎👍🏿"
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But what prayer is right sunni or shia pls help me???
Sunni
@@ffmmain8673 "sUnNi"
Do you want me to prove from your sunni books itself that the shia prayer is the only authentic prayer?
@Jundullah_00, do you use discord?
@@dominancepreserved8749 there is no need , a true muslim never wastes his time with shia people. " An Ant from the valley of the Ants has more intellect than a shia partisan " - Sheikh Fakhr Razi
@@ffmmain8673 😂😂😂
InfiltratorJew (Paul) made monotheistic religion of Jesus (Orthodox Judaism) into polytheism (modern day Christianity). So modern day Christians say “oh Jesus...” etcc.
Infiltrator Jew (ibn Sabah) made monotheistic religion of Islam into polytheistic religion of shiasm. So Shia also say “oh Ali / oh Hussain...”
No difference.
😪 you still sayin ibn saba.. if you had any brain than you can come to a conclusion that we believe in Allah and his last messenger and prophet. But your sheikhs who even lies about the 2 weighty things shall lie about everything about shias :).
Please get us reliable and concrete narrations that this so called Ibn Saba even existed. Kindly do not rely on fabricated traditions which were made to serve the interests of Wahabism. May Allah SWT guide you to the right path!
To which you don't have a single authentic narration according to your own scholars, and to which such a conspiracy theory doesn't even make sense.
Jews are Monotheists not polytheist, Shias are strong Monotheists.
Christians are the ones who worship a man as the physical incarnation of God. At least try to improve your conspiracy theory and make up a Christian (instead of a Jew) who started rebelling against the Umayyads who led armies of Ahlulbayt worshipers or something, something more plaurable to the initial claim you are making.
But we still run up against the problem that Shias only worship Allah, and are stronger Monotheists than Sunnis, Shias oppose all forms of anthropomorphism and hold apophatic theology (denying even attitudes to God to avoid shirk). Jews are Monotheists, a real Jew would never worship a man. Get a better plot for your conspiracy novel mate.
you do only fitnah Ibn Saba, from wherfe you get that> Huh? Please proof it , Proof it and lets see you are not FITNAHKAR!
And Saying Ya Ali Ya Hasan Ya Huseyn what is with that wrong?
Ya means on arabick like Hey or Oh .
and belive you NASIBIS until will bleed from the ears you will hear this word. YA MUHAMMAD, YA ALI, YA ZAHRA, YA HASAN, YA HUSEYN.
@@mehdijahan2451 the name ibn saba is written in Usul al Kafi. You can check it up.
Jumua Mubarak
+Abdul Jabbar jazakallah
Jummah mubarak brother in islam.
I am a sushi
You are either a believer in Wilaya of Imam Ali or you are with those who confiscated the rights of Imam Ali :)
@@Thaqlainbeliever in wilayat in ali ibn abi talib, and enemy to the haters of ali ibn abi talib and an ultimate enemy to the nasibis, the wahabis and banu ummayah
السلام عليكم
Facts as long as they take their deen from Aisha curse be upon her abu baker Omar osman will never solve the problem.