(animated) D&D The old Guard
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5e d&d animated spellbook dungeons and dragons animation stories DM dungeon master masters. Gygaxian motherfuckers. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Hey when you make a new character you need to make an entrance. And when a character dies it should be memorable. He did both in 5min.
in fact it was probably like 15 seconds, even better.
The madlad speedran d&d in his first game
Zee accomplished the impossible...
Maybe that's why he didn't make neither an entrance or a menorable death. It was a short character
@@beep3038 No, the halfling rogue was a short character. 🤣
>First character was a half-angel half-demon edgelord dressed like a final fantasy protagonist who died of edge overdose before the game even started.
Holy crap, are you me?!?
@@goldfish6525 that sounds like getting stabbed with extra steps
+2 blade of sharpness over here
"I was playing with people that introduced me to a world were I wasn't the main character." - Best Quote Ever
-my parents
2 and a half years later and we're still waiting for the Tiberius episode...I don't think it's gonna happen folks
Truly the tragedy of our lifetimes.
it sounds like it would be awesome sadg
Any day now
I think he said in a stream that he didnt want to make it without the player's permission but since he hasn't seen him in years it's unlikely
C'mon I can still hope
It's still in the hearts and minds of us Gygaxian-brains out here
I like how the DM handled it... instead of just saying "No." He let the character do what he said... then applied the consequences.
Always say, 'yes'! It's a good DM move, again there are always consequences. If you're unsure, use the rule of cool and make a ruling. Check it later and establish the rule so if it ever comes up, go with that.
@@willumsmith1177 The best adventures are made from the worst decisions.
Sometimes there are consequences for small things. Like reading a book and two characters die due to explosive runes.
I kinda don’t like the consequences thing dms do cause consequences can be fair to put right ridiculous
Also the dm should always ask what he wants to do with players characters first hand
the fact that he actually rolled damage for that instead of just "you die" is absolutely amazing, i wouldn't even be mad tbh
"you take 359 damage from the fall, and you die."
yup. pretty much.
Having them roll a listen check to see if anyone could hear the faint chords of heavy metal as he passed by would've been great.
@@burnkern yes.
5 years ago, and we still don't have a video dedicated to Tiberius and his player. One day it will happen!
Still waiting two weeks from this comment. C'mon...
we want Tiberius video
The dude sounds like he was a godlike player just from that small snippet we got.
I like to imagine he has the ability to reincarnate but every time he does he just falls from the sky again, barely having enough time to say "not again" before he splats on the ground.
Hitchhiker's guide, cute
a large colony of goblins live around the site feasting on the remains of the ever increasing pile of angel's defending themselves with all of the looted gear and offering sacrifices to it
I've been falling for 8 hours
I would *absolutely* advocate for doing this in a modern game. And then ask the player what the hell they had done to warrant getting booted off Mount Olympus.
sure sure, but I would also say if this were to happen in your game there were some MAJOR communication issues with character creation, you should know as the DM if one of your characters wants to introduce their character by making them fall from the sky. Those communication issues could be the fault of the DM or the player or both but they are issues nonetheless.
@@leahbeah1585 Spoken like a true 5e kid.
@@vincejester7558 if wanting open communication between player and dm makes me a 5e kid I gladly accept
I'm the kind of player who likes it that rough but as for whether I'd advocate for it... It depends on the type of players, scene, DM and game and in a way, that is a matter of communication and reading the room.
Its context that's key in this case.
"Spoken like a true 5e kid"... Yeah there's more ways then one to be a gooby edge lord bud.
High and close communication can be good but it's also a lot of extra work in comparison to the older style of just focussing on running the setting, letting the dice roll where they may.
It's up to players and DM's alike to find their people, I don't think any play style is inherently bad and so wish you luck finding the group that's right for you.
Imagine that becoming PART of the campaign! A major celestial figure perishing after being tossed from the heavens, that'd attract some attention. A race to get your hands on the powerful gear or celestial blood for rituals and whatnot, or a bunch of other different things.
I'm sad we still haven't gotten an episode on Tiberius
We NEED that episode though!
I was going to say this, too. (Im)patiently waiting for the Tiberius episode!
Transmutation is the key, my boys!! Transmutation is the key!!!
Idk we could all use a little dose of "in this world you are not the main character."
Legends say that every 1000 animated spellbooks the mighty Edgelord Fenris is reborn in the heavens only to majestly face-plummet into the earth and die. Clearly the most metal man in existence but he doesn't accomplish much.
He's too metal for this sinful world, and expires on contact. At terminal velocity.
the world will know pain when he learns feather fall...
DM handled that like a boss. Killed your character how you described it so he didn't have to go after your character, was ready to go with a new character and no hard feelings, and eliminated the marysue character before you could get SO INVESTED in it.
"We're basically gods!".
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Thud.
Justafan IV "This is too many dice for me to roll."
had to upvote for the critical role ref.
"Did you just say we're Gods? Why would you even tempt that shit?"
for a kid, you were a pretty good sport about it.
Ehh I can see it.
It depends on how you were raise more or less.
Kids raised around older people or hanging around older people actually come to realise very quick that everything is in fact not about them.
or so we were told
Zee: my character falls from the sky like a comet
DM: *welp, here we go.*
Wow, that superhero landing really IS bad for the knees.
Nearly 4 years later, still have no other details on Tiberious.
I absolutely would advocate doing this in a modern game.
I hope to never be in this situation as a DM. I'll help them craft a backstory
good wisdom is to never say no to another player.
your DM didn't actually say no to you, in fact he gave you exactly what you wanted!
Gave plenty of rope and pointed out a tree with good strong branches. lol
You've clearly never had a player at the table who tried abusing the never-no convention. Now my players get a no when it's no, a yes if it's yes, if there's any debate there's a roll. At the end of the day, it's always best to be honest and play the game properly.
I respect your opinion but seriously sometimes "no" is the best way to go forward with players.
I mean, yes I guess your players might accuse you of being a "tyrant" or enacting the dreaded "railroading", but as a player I'd rather like to know why I can't play a bard (my GM had a bad run in with a previous group and now hates 5e bards with a passion) than feeling shafted because a perfectly elf shaped rock landed on my fiddle playing figure without so much as a Dex save.
In this case though props for the DM, like you said, for giving Zee EXACTLY what he wanted.
I could see the advice falling flat if only a single person decided to follow it, and that person happened to also be the GM.
It's also not really about specific rules questions or whether something fits the game, setting, or group. In an ideal world, players will already magically know those yes or no questions without having to ask, but we don't live in one of those, so instead communication (like the bard thing) is key.
It's more about being open to what other players want, and trying to fit their goals into the game, whether you're the GM or just another player.
See, here's the thing. From a certain perspective, the GM is just another player, albeit playing many more roles than anyone else. This advice applies to them as well. If the GM has a scenario they want to run, and they set out the bait for your characters to go after it, providing they took the time to make sure they get the right bait, it'd be a bit rude to refuse, no?
Also, I forgot to add, but this is key. Never saying no is not quite the same as always saying yes. In that aforementioned ideal world, not only would you never say no, you'd also never say yes! Silly but true!
Instead, it's more in the spirit of compromise, or finding conditions, complications, even introducing consequences.
In this video, the consequence was 300+ damage, but it sounded fucking awesome, got the whole table laughing, and made for a great story, so... worth it!
>Gygaxian Motherfuckers
I love this phrase.
"Gygaxian motherfuckers"
I'm going to use that
Two years later, and I'm still looking forward to that Tiberius video. The nostalgia you talked about him with? Man, I'd love to see you talk about him more.
“Transmutation is the key, my boys! Transmutation is the key!”
Next Episode: (animated) Tiberius
I sure hope so
"I could probably do a whole episode on Tiberius" ... Do it. Do Tiberius justice.
**Slaps roof of character**.
This bad boy can fit so many belts on it.
Still patiently waiting for that Tiberius episode
I want to be Tiberius evil twin. A sorcerer who is trying to turn gold into lead.
"Nuclear fission by good man. It all starts with fission!"
In addition to more of the old guard, can we get some episodes on those key differences between modern players and those "Gygaxian motherfuckers"?
Eli Stauffenecker I am one of those Gygaxians. My favorite character was the most useful one in the party simply because he had a boat. Being the center of attention in a campaign is not as much fun as simply being a fun challenging character that his part of the world.
I think that too many new players are cutting their teeth on pod casts from acquisitions incorporated and the like, giving them a false impression of what kind of characters work in a weekly game.
It's the beard.
I still have not been granted those luxurious chin locks but I know if I hone my craft and continue to roll the dice as my forefathers intended then ONE DAY mayhaps the Gods of the Blessed Icosagon will grant upon my jaw the mane of a TRUE Gygaxian.
A true dm, you may do whatever you want, but I will in no way shield you from the consequences of your actions.
I got my first box set in 1982 and I'm still in 'The Old Guard'. When I make my characters they aren't the main character; I don't choose exotic races or characters with backstories that monopolize playing time. I don't make edgelords or brooding loners (anymore). But my latest group is younger people/newer players and most of our party is some version of that character we've all had in the past that fulfills some kind of need to be unique, interesting or noticed, or make some statement with their characters about who the player is (or wants to be) as a real-life person.
I've had to re-learn to appreciate the energy and enthusiasm that new and/or younger players bring to the table even if I have to suppress my Old-Guard-eyeroll every time the tiefling dramatically pushes back the hood of her cloak for the "Look at me, I'm a beautiful half-demon girl with purple eyes!" shock value. Let the kids have their 'falling out of the sky' moments, let them have the captivating stare moments, let them get some edgelordiness out of their systems. Some of these kids really need to not be shit on for a few hours every other weekend.
Any social gathering like dnd is going to a least a little bit reflect zeitgeist and the values of the people in the group you're playing with. The world is not the same as in 1982 and neither is dnd; we (the Old Guard) are playing in a new playground now and we're not the gatekeepers.
Absolutely. I always find it silly when *dnd players* call other people lame or cringe, like they weren't made fun of for the same thing when they were younger.
I think it's just a different style. People want to play characters that mean something to them. Gone are the days where the main characters of fantasies were nobodies from random villages.
When I make a character, I want to feel attached. I'm gonna be spending hours with them, it's pretty important that I like them
Viking Shark Old Guard my ass your Formal Old Guard a storytelling clown for people like Ellie in the comments down here.
Ellie Not only would you be crying you're entitled eyes out if you tried sitting down to an old school meat grinder game I doubt you'd even last with a middle of the road DM like me.
You want to be the main character by all means, but you're not entitled to be Hercules you don't get handed the mantle of Achilles because "oowh my character special I say so" you could maybe be Guts from Berserk if you manage RP and combat encounters well enough to not get your head ripped off by the actual demigods of the world but you won't you won't earn it you don't have the patience for anything enjoy your instant gratification the hell away from my table.
@@ellie8272 Have you ever played a nobody from a random village? You might find there's value in it, especially in taking that humble nobody, and turning them into an epic hero. I'm old guard, but coming around to the new eras. At this point, I'm trying to get my players to find a balance between the weird and the humble. Because honestly, how "unique and special" is your half-angel half-demon really, in a world where everyone was born on another plane, has hooves and rainbow eyes, and wings, and purple hair?
I never played those characters when I was new to RPGs because I was not confident enough to roleplay them (and I was conscious of the "cringiness" of emo stereotypes at a young age, having been a teenager through the peak of that trend). Instead my problem, for a little while at least, was making boring characters that were too normal.
Now that I've grown and studied history and mythology a lot, not to mention played a lot of RPGs, I tend to roll my characters randomly, and then come up with the concept after the fact. It takes a lot of time out of the conceptualization phase of character creation and it keeps the roleplaying experience fresh and challenging. The last character I rolled, I got extremely lucky with a human noble. Now the whole campaign is about his ambitions for grabbing land, but the other characters do more to further than those ambitions than mine does.
@@janschievink1586 There's something you're overlooking: You're not special, either. If you just want to run a crunchy dungeon crawler with interchangeable, assembly-line adventurers, you're competing against games that do it far more efficiently.
That's why the game changed to a more narrative play style. Because people wanting the relentless, grinding, low-fantasy, numbers-go-up dungeon crawls could just play Dark Souls. And they do.
Sounds a lot like when I joined my first campaign
DM introducing me to the group: "you hear a rustling in the bushes..."
My friend who brought me to the campaign in the first place: "I stabbed the bushes!"
DM: "roll to hit."
My friend: "20!"
Me a squishy wizard in the bushes: "oh God why!"
It is at this point that I rolled a second character
Thats an amazing friend right there, no joke
"O God, Why!" :)
Your first mistake was attempting to sneak up on a professional murderer
To this day, I still want to hear more about this group and Tiberius.
I was gonna say where is that Tiberius video
Please do a Tiberius Episode! That’d be awesome! It’d be an awesome guide to roleplaying a character correctly.
We patiently await the Tiberius episode
Careful we might get a video on a different Tiberius instead
Sounds like the DM saved you from becoming "that guy", in a rather brutal fashion. I like it! Though I don't think I'd let your initial character into my game at all. :P
although he DID fall from the skies at level 1
i love it. 359 falling damage, and dies. that my friend is how you make an entrance.
The Gygaxxian school of RP: Where you roll a stack of character sheets, for when your previous character dies from fall damage, or starves to death, or freezes to death, or gets crushed to death by boulders, or walks into a goblin ambush, or walks into a kobold trap, or fails to roll high enough before touching a door, or ends up on the same plane of existence as rot grubs...
And then by the time you get to the bottom of the stack, you've learned the skills.
Oh hell no. The game has changed, you're right, but your first DM did right, regardless of edition. Imagine an alternate scenario where your angsty edge-lord character keeps trying to be the mega-awesome center of attention, hogging all the glory from the rest of the PC's? Imagine when your infallible god misses in combat half the GD time because you're playing 2nd edition at best and a THAC0 of 20 against a goblin with AC 10 means you're still hitting only 50% of the time. Picture in your mind the mounting feelings of mutual frustration around that table as the more seasoned players slowly lose their patience with you.
Your DM was a goddamn genius.
Gygaxian. What an adjective.
Just occurred to me that a stillborn aasimar/similar godlike creature plummeting from the heavens dead on arrival could be a sick plot hook. The Atropals are kinda that to an extreme.
boy do i remember my first campaign. a glint of wonder in my eye as i was expecting perilous battles and glorious riches. we sold honey at a festival. that was the whole session. wasn’t the most glamorous session but it taught me a valuable lesson, the freedom you get in a ttrpg far surpasses that of a videogame
Oh dude. I ran AD&D's Temple Of Elemental Evil and had the same kind of thing happen.
Most party members were elven or half elven, so I needed some excuse to get them out of Elf Land & into greyhawk territory.
Decided there were some elven beekeepers who needed some guards while shipping their elven honey to greyhawk.
That elven honey was more jealously guarded than any magic item I've ever seen before... strange, those players are.. but it was a hilarious session
Edit: thinking back, it's probably because I had stressed to them how important henchmen were in old school, and I remember I'd told them that the elven honey was so damn good that it would give your henchmen a perfect morale score on any day they've eaten it
the 'gygaxian' mindset is so wild. you werent certainly werent beowulf, you werent even bilbo, you were someschmuck the pungent because if you die the world goes on and boy howdy was it time to get dying. if i recall standard procedure for gygaxian era was each player finds three hirelings to use the doors first and the ten foot pole was your mvp
And you had at LEAST three other character sheets ready for the inevitable death(s).
Gigaxian Motherfuckers is a phrase I'm going to use from now onwards.
That was beautiful. Superhero landings are horrible on the knees.
When you said "I could do a whole episode on him" I said "Please do" out loud XD
This.
"Gygaxian motherfuckers" is my new favourite pronunciation of 'grognard'.
I would make these guys keep falling from the sky every now and then and write a little sidequest about figuring out what the fuck is going on with them
"Gygaxian Motherfuckers" is now my favorite adjecive
This actually gives me an idea for a character. Hype up this really edgy cool character, have their hubris kill them immediately before they even get to say a word, & then introduce my actual character
YES
I found out a weird Samurai fact a while ago about Nodachis and how the weapon was used in combat, part of the whole intrigue was how the guys drew a 4-5 foot sword without looking like a idiot! Turns out they didn't draw the sword, they threw the scabbard backwards OR had a dude pull it off off for them.
I have always wanted to be that guy in a DND game, the pack mule support!
Spend ages describing the lordly clothes and stuff, and be the guy that shines his shoes.
That or the Bobby "the Brain" Heenan hype man, barded it up by telling everyone how kewl the main man is coz he drinks his milk, says his prayers and does his exercise
So, I had a young ‘I love gimmicks’ group, and they seemed to take over the asylum at one game’s beginning. I had them all make their most edgy and min- maxed characters and be as psychotic as possible.
I just didn’t tell them it was a one shot, prequel. They basically ran straight into the maw of the goblin army, with no mechanics, no tactics, no teamwork. At the end, I told them to hand their character sheet to the person to their right, (skipping me). Kept the XP. These were the villagers that WATCHED all of them just ride past, straight into death. Each of them looked at the personality stuff and adjusted slightly into being able to play with others.
I can never remember the name of this video, but I am glad that I can find it by typing in "Gygaxian motherfuckers."
If D&D had not been defanged in the recent decade, I would say that this would need to be the name of a faction in the game
Waiting on the Tiberius episode. Would watch.
I think he said in a stream that he didn't want to do it without the player's permission and since he hasn't seen him in years it's unlikely. It's a pity
“You take 359 damage from the fall and you die.”
That part killed me.
Killed him too.
Also killed his Character.
I saw that coming from a mile away and I’m so glad I was right.
only 4 away from Critical Role's 363 falling damage courtesy of Marisha "We're Gods" Ray
WHAT A FUCKING INTRODUCTION
Honestly i relate to this so much. My first character was introduced as such- "A flaming red Tiefling emerges from a portal from the nine hells, with Devil arms grasping around him trying to pull him back"
Okay make a Dex save
Crit fail
Your character gets pulled back into the portal as it closes. Roll another character
Demons? In the nine hells?
@@nathankurtz8045 ah I almost for got. Thanks for correcting me
@@nathankurtz8045 The Blood War rages on.
That was a good reality check, wish my DM did that to my edgelord character
"Covered in belts and filled with angst"
That more or less confirms that we are about to see a Final Fantasy villain.
I have little patience for players who think "we are basically gods"
Fall damage us such a mundane way to get hurt, it's really a great wake-up call. My other go-to is to have a runaway wagon hit somebody. Everyone acts more cautious in a dungeon when they were almost crippled by a food cart the morning before
Man, I'd talk with the DM in advance so I could roll up my ACTUAL character in secret, but show up to the table with the cringiest, edge-lordiest thing I could come up with, just to do THIS, for the luls.
If I ever dm, I hope we get to play together, this is funny
I wonder if maybe these old Garys planned to kill you off first thing all along, to test you to make sure you weren't going to be a crybaby. Then you roll up with the most obnoxious character ever and DM is like, "...yes. This is what is meant to happen." Then you pass the test like a cool dude and everyone knows you're that cool assed dude who can get killed and still have a good time. I wouldn't ever do this, or recommend it, but its the grognardiest, gygaxiest thing I can think of.
Really wish more DMs would do this, I've lost count of the times where I've been sitting at a table with a guy who thinks he's playing the chosen one with 4 supporting characters.
So that Tiberius dude...Lets hear it.
Too many D&D horror stories have taught me this might have been the best course of action, no matter the time, place or people.
There's absolutely some players you could do this to. And I'm not talking about problem players, I mean players who would get a kick out of it.
My first character was a hardcore edgelord as well. Luckily we had a great GM who would poke fun at me by describing how awesome my character was at everything he did, then explaining to the rest of the group how awkward I looked to them.
“Gygaxian mutherfuckers!” 👏🤣👏🤣👏😂🤓
"I do the thing! All epic like!"
*DM rolls dice*
"No you don't."
lmao
Absolutely brilliant XD
He still did it all epic like, he was just a bit more liquid than he had predicted by the end
Y'know, the more I think about it, the DM didn't actually plan to kill Zee's character at all; he just followed the fall damage rules and... Zee fell from a great height. If Zee hadn't gone for the badass edgelord entrance, that character would've joined that group. So really, Zee would have had nobody to blame but himself for over 370 points of damage and instant, messy death.
I'm not so convinced on that, the fact that he had a pre-rolled character ready to go tells me that he probably was going to do something like this very early on at least
@@RDeathmark I'm a DM and I have like ten prerolls ready to go at any point. It's not a sign that I'm planning an early end to an edgelord's life, just that I have extra characters ready and raring to go. It's just a thing a good DM has handy.
@@RDeathmark You realize the PHB actually supplies Pregen characters.
@@RDeathmark You misunderstand, this was Gygaxian D&D everyone there had a 50% chance of dying at all times. Just consuming 2 different kinds of potions too close together could literally make you explode. Shit was intense.
definitely want an episode on tiberius now
I think we just got it.
Fall damage, truly the greatest spell ever devised.
SirBruceX except in 5e rules, mid-level barbarians can survive essentially any drop...
sebastianwillows Not really. Fall damage cant be reduced, so a fall from high enough will still murder you. Only way around fall damage without spells or items is to be a monk.
DM Doombot raging reduces fall damage, and it caps at 20d6 (maximum 120 damage). A barbarian with 61 HP can therefore survive a fall from literally any height without any fear of death.
Edit: did some research, and while the barbarians rage ends after one round if he doesn't take damage or hit an enemy, an obejct will fall approximately 550 feet in 6 seconds- which is well over 2x the maximum damage threshold (and honestly, I can't imagine why there'd need to be a pit bigger than that to fall into...)
@swbastianwillows Now a half-orc could, so that's why you use the old waterfall. If the fall don't kill him the drowning will. And if the drowning doesn't the Merrow that live at the bottom of the waterfall will. And if they don't... well I'd say that half-orc has earned that bit of life, don't you?
Reminds me of a ninja character of mine who was killed by a shopkeeper because he asked if there were any ninja weapons for sale. The shopkeeper screamed "NINJA!" and stabbed him directly through the heart.
The first rule of Ninja Club is that you do _not_ talk about Ninja Club.
I was pretty salty about it for years, now, I can see the funny side.
You broke the first rule of being a ninja - you were seen.
would still love to see a Tiberius episode lol
"Transmutation is the Key!!"
Still waiting on that Tiberius episode
yes yes transmutation is the key
I know right
That was just great. It's also great that though you were an edgelord teenager, you were still mature enough back then to laugh that off, or that could've gotten awkward FAST!
"Oh this kinda kid. Let's see how he reacts to this. Either he becomes a normal player or gets lost with his OC do not touch."
this really is what this feels like, a Litmus test from older players to see if the kid was going to be able to hang with the group long term
That...that got me! “They introduced into a world where I wasn’t the main character...with a bang.” 359 damage! But yeah, funny how we sometimes grow as individuals through funny ways, like some tabletop game.
That's one way to shut down an edgelord, well played DM
Could the next episode be all about Tiberius. You could spin it about the importance of role playing with your characters by reciting his creative antics.
I had the pleasure of playing with someone like Tiberius. He was a half-orc paladin named Utak (please mentally add the umlaut over the u). His player was SO good at playing up both his strengths and weaknesses. Utak was a firm believer in justice and helping (most) other people, but he was also rather full of himself and more than a little overconfident in his own abilities and qualifications for being The Law. So, it was, on the surface, a VERY cliche Paladin character, but the guy brought it to life so well that it never felt that way, probably because he also never failed to roleplay Utak's shortcomings.
Utak was NOT very bright and he knew that. He was "wise enough to know he's stupid", I believe is the way his player described him. So, he often deferred to others when it came to thinking. He was also VERY trusting of others because he knew he wasn't smart enough to really be able to tell when they were lying. So, he really had no choice but to go along with what others said, but he was always kind of hesitant about it because he wasn't smart enough to determine if they were manipulating him or not. He did make it clear that if anyone ever abused that trust, he'd beat the ever-living daylights out of them, though. I believe he mentioned he'd rather they just outright tell him to fuck off rather than lie to him and pretend to help. But he was very trusting of his companions. Therefore, he never questioned the other characters, even when he, the player, KNEW they were doing shit behind Utak's back that Utak would not approve of because they assured him they weren't. After they defeated (but didn't kill) a treacherous former party member (his player moved away), who we'll call Rogue1, Utak left the room and the rest of the party healed Rogue1 up so they could kill him again (they really didn't like him) and take his stuff. As far as Utak knows, Rogue1 is still alive out there somewhere and it became a running gag that one of the other characters would "accidentally" bring up how Rogue2 dealt the killing blow only for Utak to be like "What? What do you mean? Rogue1's still alive...RIGHT?" and then the rest of the party to change the topic.
Finally, the last little cherry on top was how often Utak went on his rants about the things he hated. He had a list. 1. Evil Genies. 2. Evil wizards. 3 Poor people. (The genies and wizards may have been the other way around, idk). I'm not sure how poor people got on that list. I wasn't there for that, but I assume it was a joke that got carried away. Either way, Utak hated magic and everyone who cast it. He only ever used his spell slots for SMITE. The one time, near the end of the game, that he finally had to cast a heal spell (instead of Lay on Hands) caused him to have an identity crisis because he'd become the thing he hated.
It was such a rare combination of both hilarious, consistent, and relevant. He advanced the plot, stayed in character, made his character believable and consistent (if a bit eccentric) and still made it hilarious. One of the, if not the single, best roleplayers I've ever had the pleasure of playing with.
"These were Gygaxian motherfuckers" is the most badass description of D&D players I've ever heard.
I'm just old enough to have known how to calculate THAC0 back before 3rd edition released, so it makes me feel a little reverent of the games roots and the people who played back before being nerdy was fashionable.
the absolute raw delivery of “you take 359 damage from the fall and die.” slayed me.
I also wouldn't advocate willingly falling out of the sky like a comet. DnD might have changed a lot, but fall damage is still deadly
A sense of when someone is overdoing it, a delicateness to deal with it without making a scene, and a sense of humour and well meaning to provide a replacement and not try and make them feel bad for *daring* to do what they did. Now THAT'S admirable.
1:25 "You take 359 damage from the fall, and you die"
Actually same also nice garen icon
That mentality is still valuable, gotta keep it light-hearted. Good lesson for a youngster.
You *should* do this in a modern game. If you don't cut off an edgelord from session 1 they will ruin your game.
He means doing it in an adult way and not just slamming your character against the earth.
@@littleratfella6857 The DM didn't slam his character against the earth. He did it to himself and the DM was like... ok... you die then... idk why you did that.
When I do it it’s funny.
Player: So if you’re from the shadowfell do you drink blood?
My shadow sorcerer: I’m not a vampire.
Another player: Are you undead?
Shadow sorcerer: No just very pale looking. It’s a skin condition jerk!
Hey an full edgey campaign is actually fun stop gate keeping and try a purposely over edge game practice your best (or worst depending on how much comedy you want) and have fun with it
For example do a goth human who thinks he's waaaaaayyyyy more powerful than he actually is will he grow into his attitude by actually being that powerful? Will his edge dull and gain modesty and realistic ideas after being proven wrong? Or will you not change and play him like that eternally and laugh your ass off each session
@@Da_Shark guy, it's not that it CAN'T be fun, and it's not that edgy characters are bad in general, it is that there is a time and place for them, just like everything else. Gimmicky characters can be fun, and they are when done well, with the right people.
TRANSMUTAION IS THE KEY MY BOYS, TRANSMUTAION IS THE KEY!
The reason we don't do this anymore nowadays is because you're meant to talk to your DM before the game starts, you cant just arrive at the table with a character.
when i played back in high school it was kind of like that; people were barely cognizant of there even being different editions of D&D, so people would constantly bring characters that only made sense in their homebrew game into someone else's game and just start using all their magic equipment to kill NPCs and act like the protagonist, etc. a dark time indeed but fondly remembered.
We're still waiting for that episode on Tiberius. Take your time. We will be here...still waiting.
This is why low-level DnD is my favorite.
Anything can bring you to the edge of death before you have a chance to blink - you do *not* have huge HP pools or resurrection spells to mess around with - your life is on the line in *every* encounter.
You just don't get that same feeling of dread once you cross level 8 or so.
I know an OG wraith that could help you with that. You would feel like a shadow of yourself after one of his massage therapy sessions.
Yea this is what I dislike about DnD. In my country we have a different game based on D&D where HP is constant throughout levels barring few feats that can increase it or class/race specific bonuses, it rarely goes above 20. You have a second layer of (directly translated as) wound points probably better understood in English as fatigue points that grow each level as you HP does in D&D. The kicker? Criticals go directly into HP and can one shot you. Even at level 10 you'd think twice to attack a dragon or a giant and prepare a month ahead for something like that.
This plus armor that I dislike in DnD. In our game armor was damage reduction not defense. You didn't "miss" someone cause you hit the plate. We called war axes and great swords "can openers" as 3d6+strenght modifier would eat through even the toughest armor (full plate) that had 8 flat reduction.
@@csfelfoldi Do you know what that game is called?
@@Introbulus It’s M.A.G.U.S. but I’m unaware of any translations from native Hungarian language.
@@csfelfoldi Darn. It sounds pretty good - the intensity at all levels is something I could really enjoy.
My first character was a neutral evil cleric...who worshipped a neutral evil god. He cut off the groins of bandits and kept them in a bag he carried around. The second party of bandits we came across I threw the bag at the leader and said "That's what happened to the last group." Automatic success on inimidation.
That's actually genius
This is still the most appropriate way to deal with edge lords.
I guess dropping the new kid in the deep end worked. Blunt, rude, or otherwise, this is how you tell somebody that this is a game that does not revolve around them, and that they either need to accept it or leave.
The best part is that you were cool with having your edgelord turned into meat pudding. I guarantee there are a number of stories that begin like that; some dude rolling up to a new game with his edgy character he thinks is hot shit, only to get demolished within moments. But where I bet MOST of those tales end with the edgemaster getting upset and storming off because he can't be Hot Topic Mary Sue, YOU were awesome and laughed it off and played along with it like a cool dude.
I think the peer pressure of being a teenager surrounded by 30somethings, plus being a novice playing with seasoned veterans, probably contributed too.
This made me laugh so hard, "You take three hundred and fifty nine damage from the fall and die."
WHERE IS MY TIBERIUS EPISODE
Yes, please! Tiberius episode!
I second the notion!
@@roibenblitz6863 I fourth the notion!
Fifth and I subscribed as of this day
I always tell my new players when making their background "Remember you are level 1".
I think we all need to take lessons from Tiberius
“These are gygaxian motherfuckers” is my new favorite insult
Emdee ...or compliment?
Barney Atkinson-Saul General invocation of [trait]
Still waiting for that Tiberius episode! This is one of my favorite videos to rewatch from you! 😁
Also kudos to 13year old you for taking that so well.. I have 25 year old players that would throw a fit if I did that to their edgelords, thankfully we all discuss our characters so it never becomes a problem
I've got a heavy-metal themed orc bard. Appearance-wise you'd mistake him for an edgelord-type character, but he's actually really friendly and sensitive. He'd be a lot more fun to play if our DM understood his role. Idk how many DMs start cursing when they can't get their kobolds to hit a player but there you go.
A heavy metal orc bard? Dude, that's amazing. If you were in my game the portal to Tartarus could only be closed by a wicked electric guitar solo. You'd have to quest for the Dragontoothed Pick of the Wilde by winning the Battle of the Bards. The party would have to work security as the Shadow Queen shanghai's you into her palace for a private performance for the undead nobility. Shit like that MAKES games.
Gnarleston Gnu Thanks! I needed that! Btw his guitar is armored and has a longsword blade spring-loaded into it, the neck of the guitar doubling as it's hilt. One of our party members is a blacksmith, so I used that as a loophole to give him the most metal weapon I could think of.
@@catoticneutral I don't understand why a DM would ever complain about any of their rolls going wrong.
Are they playing DM vs PCs?
Do they roll behind a screen?
Why can't they just sneak in some more kobolds after you clear out the ones that are there.. it wouldn't be hard to do if the encounter felt too easy...
The DM's job is to make the encounter feel fun for everyone. Not to beat the players down. If he kobolds missed so much that the entire encounter felt boring and it didn't feel like a challenge, he could tweak it on the fly to make it feel better. That's silly..
To be play devils advocate there's a bit of a power indifference there in age.