Deutz F8L413F air cooled diesel engine for my project truck (narrated)
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- You're looking at a 1979 Deutz F8L413F engine, V8 aircooled diesel, naturally aspirated, 770 cubic inches, 750 ft/bs of torque, 230 hp @ 2300 rpm. It comes out of an Atlas Copco air compressor. It has an SAE 1 bellhousing. Still trying to figure what I will do with it, I'm thinking of an early 60's chevy 2-ton pickup. I have an 80's Ford F350 4x4 donor for a solid dana 60 front and 70 rear, and a divorced transfer case.
The 2nd cylinder from the front on the driver side has a knock & smokes a bit. When I loosen the injector line it goes away. I'll have to dig into that before installing it.
I've heard these are extremely reliable engines, should be a hell of a work truck
thanks. It actually stopped doing it after running for a while and also stopped puffing smoke, so my conclusion was that it was possibly a stuck picton ring. It ran great after a while. Of course now it's been in my shop for the last few years waiting to be put in its car!
ooooo what a sweet idle noise of Deutz V8 diesel. I want this engine now :(
I used to see them running for months in Oman, in blazing heat. They are an excellent motor.
everything is so simple ,no electronic devices ,no edc control systems,just raw mechanic,260hp and big torque provides you strenght with air cooled heads and cylinders that can be changeable because engine cylinders are separated one by another with long bolts into cylinder housing.
Very sweet sounding, Deutz air cooled engines were retro fitted to a number of Buses used by a small independant Bus operator in the UK, known as the "Gosport and Fareham" bus co. after conversion they would be unique in the UK.
This engine is used on the SNVI 100V8 Bus , wich is made in algeria , nice and reliable engine .
Nice running V 8 engine. I love diesels.
These engines were also used on a lot of mobile compressors such as Atlas Copco.
I looked at something like that, it was a forestry fire truck, and before then probably a military truck. I think the 6x6's are really cool.
I wanted something that's suitable as daily driver. Having 3 axles kicks in extra regulation and makes for an overall heavier, slower, less manouvrable vehicle.
la aceleracion es instantanea lo que hace ver lo apunto que esta el motor, aparte de lo rapido que se puso en marcha. otra cosa buena que no tira nada de humo. este tipo de motor siempre me gusto por su durabilidad
Para mi, de lo mejor :)
Their air cooled 4 and 6 cyl motors power all of our geotech/environmental test drill rigs. They're indestructible and with simple PM, last forever.
Dean Jeas a lot of Larger ackers run their 5 cylinder engines seen a lot of CME 45s with the 3 cylinder
My Daddy Owned 2 of These Deutz Engines 40 Years Ago
The sound of this engine is awesome. Don't know anything about it but I can loop the sound and play it all day. ;)
i saw a deutz V12 in a airport fire engine.. than thing was MASSIVE and just looked incredible
it's maybe an injector
a bad spray pattern could make it noisy
but it looks like a valve sound ,it's very regular and seems mechanical
if you loosen the line and it go away it means the combustion lead the noise
injector ?
adjust the valves and check the injector(s)
i hope you will find, that's a beauty !
@Xx69roadrunnerxX There's a gear stack in the back that takes care of the fan drive and the valves & injection pump. The injection pump and valves run at half the engine speed, the fan drive looks like it's double. You can see the drive shaft for the fan run from the back to the front. The fan has a hydraulic clutch that uses engine oil. This motor doesn't have it but some had a thermostat on the exhaust that blocks the oil flow to the clutch to prevent over-cooling. Simple but effective!
Its just like TATRA engines from Czech Republic, but i think this engine is much smoother. Nice and quick start up btw.
SWEET running engine!!!
too cool. love the sound it makes.
Thanks for posting it ! Cheers
That sounds HARMONIOUS! Absolutley gorgeous soundtrack mate!
Thanks! Yea I can't wait till the day I pull out the driveway with it :-)
si no recuerdo mal..... los 413 tan primitivos las culatas van con 3 tornillos, lo que hace un punto devil en estos motores, las juntas fugan al haber tanta distancia entre tornillos con el tiempo. lo digo por experiencia
@Lasselkv28 I have worked with these engines in -45 F and 100+F in the artic in compressors, drills and pumps of all sorts they are awesome!
My late Dad worked on a ship fitted with one, a bit larger than this, he said it worked perfectly everywhere from Norway to Suez. No need for water pumps for heat exchangers so simple. Not the quickest in truck applications, also needed regular oil level checks. I also have seen small 4 cylinder units used as donkey engines.
Yeah! Just got the truck in the garage tonight. I'll have to spend a fair bit of time just to get the cab in decent shape. It is a long truck! had to get it up against the wall to close the door but it's there. Too bad you're so far away. could have used your bodywork expertise for sure.
@PetrScorpio yea the engine had been in a junk yard for 4-5 years I think and I changed the oil, primed it, and cranked for maybe 15 seconds and she was a runner! Then every time after it started just like in the video.
This motor has a very heavy flywheel, you can idle it down pretty low, probably 300-400 rpm. Although I think it's better not to set it below 500 to keep the lubrication & cooling systems working.
That is a beautiful sounding engine.
I'm aware of that. I have a friend who has a detroit 4-53 with a standard in a truck. It's usable, although hard to take off smoothly from idle, once you're going it's ok.
Deutz F8L 413 Air Cooled Diesel Engines They All went into All the Iveco Maggie Deutz Trucks & Iveco Magirus Deutz Buses
like most diesels it generates very little heat when idling. I've run it for ~30 minutes and you can put your hands on the cylinders and exhaust without burning yourself. Try that with a gasser and it will burn you alive!
castirondude didn't know that diesel engines run cooler than gas, I thought diesel as a fuel burns hotter than petroleum
Most of the heat goes into igniting the air/fuel mixture. The heat goes out with the exhaust.
@castirondude Those engines with the TPV's would be the inline engines - inline engines have belt drives on the fans! Just posted a channel comment with a website in there - check out that website! Roland is the guru of all things Deutz - he used to sell Magirus-Deutz trucks for a living and was able to get the customer what they required on their truck!
has a grate sound. A good diesel machine.
very very good , this is my pasion
big like from Romanian , attention noo Gypsi !!!!!
correct, I think they were the 513 series which were almost identical. I picked up a spare injection pump from a gleaner combine.
The sound is awesome!
Thanks for the advice! Actually I did swap the injector with the next cylinder and the knock was still in the same cylinder. That cylinder would also smoke blue at higher rpm but when I loosened the injector line the smoke would clear (same thing after swapping injectors). After running it a few times the smoke cleared but the knock is still there. I pulled the valve cover, valves & springs appear ok.
i agree...and extra oil cooler would help too.
@Raune88 This one came from an air compressor. The over-the-road versions are very rare here in the US.
@MrGuvEuroman I swapped the injector with the #1 cylinder and it still was #2 knocking so it's not the injector. I think I will run the engine for a while before taking action, I've seen weird problems before with engines that sat a long time. They usually go away after the engine runs for awhile
@nrajcoomar they are probably more efficient at 80% load than 20% load, however the difference is much smaller than a gas engine.
I was thinking you may be right about the stuck rings because the 1st time I ran it (after it had been sitting for years) it clattered and smoked more than the 2nd time I ran it. It may just go away with usage.
We just got the bellhousing adapter done to mate it to an Allison MT643. Need to do some machining on the flywheel and the pilot and bolt it all together. Can't wait till the day I pull out of the driveway!
also you have to push the pedal much further down on the freeway since you're setting say 1800 rpm which is 2/3 down, even though the engine is only at a light load.
It'll make the AA sound awesome when ya get it on the road. If you need another project, I have a '42 GMC 6x6 for sale cheap, it's in good shapebody wise, has a forage box on the back right now.
@WolfkinCreations thanks! Interestingly the knock went away after running it for awhile. I think it might have been a stuck ring or valve
@frosty9595 yea it had been at a junkyard for nearly a decade. Just primed it and put some juice to it, and she's a runner! I have a '29 model AA down to the frame that I'm building a custom front suspension for. I worked with a machine shop to get an adapter made to fit an Allison MT643. Unfortunately now I'm in the middle of a move and have to move the whole thing in a 1000 pieces. I hope I won't lose anything..
@huppypuppy I couldn't find your comment, do you mean Roland Sparling? Yes I have emailed with him, he's very interested and has collected a lot of info / pictures.
PS I have the factory manual and it does picture the V engines with thermostat also.
I haven't done anything with the engine for over a year, sitting in the shop now. I'm hoping starting this winter I will be working on the truck again and driving it in 2011.
quite possibly. I had a problem on my V12 where the rack was stuck, so I took the cover off and was able to force the mechanism back and forth with a screwdriver until it loosened. You can kind of see it through the access cover although it would be hard to really do something with it without taking the whole pump apart. I have a spare pump I can look at that one day. I have this engine mounted to an Allison MT643 now. Yea possibly the governor and that automatic may not like each other.
U should see the trucks they used to put these in...
a good old engine
All V-config Deutz AirDiesels have hydraulic cooling air supply fans!
@WolfkinCreations thx! The knock actually went away after running it for a while.
@gizmo98550 yea they look very similar to this, except 6 cylinders on each side, and bigger oil cooler. The cylinders etc are the same. The bellhousing and flywheel look the same too. The starter is bigger (longer)
sounds beautiful.
@GTAstuntking I don't know about the oil filters but Interestingly on one of my trucks I had 2 wix fuel filters followed by a FRAM and the FRAM filter got plugged with the gunk that passed through the WIX!
@wolfmanradio I was going to put it in a 4x4 truck but found a V12 that I'm going to use instead, so this one's just sitting on a pallet in the shop for now.
@kristenburnout1
Aircooled:
Runs hotter = more fuel efficient
Bigger operating temperature range
less parts = more reliable
No need for water and antifreeze.
No trouble with boiling over radiators or leaking water.
Simpler construction with standard parts (Deutz baukasten system) = easier maintanance & cheaper
Beautiful!
So Snooth!
I bet you gonna put it in your pickup truck is going to sound Like A freightliner 😎😀
more than that.
Sounds very nice! Id like to have a small deutz for my power washer/generator trailer. Bet you'll be outpulling cummins and duramaxes with that thing :)
Do The One Thing never forget Sheet Metal must be on the engine to avoid overheating
@techdavey1000 yea I thought about that, but it seemed to not get hot at all just idling like this. I could easily hold my hand on the cooling fins and they were just warm.
This one has the original embossed air panels. I was already thinking I might do a cool paint job on that. I did get rid of the exhaust side panels. They route the warm air up out the top of the compressor house. The sound insulation was blowing all over the place and they were ugly anyway.
idle at 500.. and ran up to 2500rpm? thats quite a range on that thing! still sounded very smooth other then the knock ..
@Lasselkv28 yup that's where this came from! 750 CFM air compressor, crazy!
@liebherr266 Well my project has been on the back burner this year, although I got some work done in the spring, notably an adapter to mount it to an Allison MT643 transmission. It's sitting safely in the shop until further order.
I don't know if any Magirus trucks for sale ... they are pretty rare!
The ticking sound & smoke puffs went away after running it for an hour orso. I think it was just a sticking ring, I think that's pretty common for motors that sit a while
Dude, I am restoring a magirus deutz truck with deutz f8l413 engine. just starting on the engine.
***** great, let me know if you run into any questions and be sure to post some vids :)
castirondude I'll pm you a link for my flickr log!!
***** that sounds cool mate. I'd like to see the course of your restoration up on here.
It's more likely an injector than a ring making noise.
little far away for me but if the price is right, surely you will find a buyer
yep, V8's, V10's, V12's and a V16 also available.
@jaliylpinnock Way cool! Be sure to post some video's. I haven't had much new to post since I've had a few major life events this year. Hopefully after newyear I'll be able to get in gear.
I just bought a twin turbo V12 BF12L413F I'm putting in my model AA, I can't wait to get that puppy firing!
yeap. it can be done.he will need to" disconnect" the hydraulic ( some times vacuum) driven plunger wish keep the engine at certain speed (load)
jo das ist mal ein echte richtiger deutscher motor
@gizmo98550 500-2500, similar to a 3208 cat etc. I think the maximum governed rpm Deutz sells is 2650
@Raune88 This motor came from an air compressor. I have never seen the Magirus trucks here in the US. I have seen pictures of some of the Diamond Rio trucks having them. There was one on ebay about a year ago with a blown BF8L413 or possibly BL8L513 ?
I Want a Few Deutz F8L 413 Air Cooled Engines for My Self
ALLARD fitted ww2 steyr v8 aircooled engines into cars for hillclimbing around '49/50
and still sound cool.
I want one...
air filled injector also sound like this, which does't mean is a crappy injector.
Great motors
I'm putting in an overdrive & lockup torque converter, should be double digit mileage
Did you ever make any headway with this? Such a cool project
@kenfo0 yea I think a guy could probably get 15-20mpg from an engine like this with a heavily geared stickshift.
diesels are nice in that they remain efficient at light loads. Gas engines are horribly inefficient at light load. Just look at generators
Gleaner combines used a deutz v8 I'm not sure what series.
Thats tatra 815 :))
you got it!
I have one on a stamford 125kva generator. does anyone know the correct oil to service it. Running at 1500rpm it used 16litres an hr. has god knows how many hrs on it and still starts first turn. Even half a swing and its gone.
The engine starts at 1:38
@SweedSleds95 Keep an eye on ebay, craigslist, equipment sites, auctions etc. I saw a V12 at bar none auctions a while ago! I don't know how much it sold for.
Buenos días desde Colombia me podrían enviar las pares del motor necesito saber que caucho lleva en eje del ventilador refrigerador o fans clocht
Done something with it and the V12 meanwhile?
Best regards luck and health.
@castirondude I Taught diesels are more efficient when under 80% load
Does it come from a European MAGIRUS Deutz Truck? They were awesome when performing their maximum up the hills in Sweden at night, one could see a blaze out of the exhaust:D
Why would you buzz the motor if you thought it was hurt, but cool motor !
Awesome Deutz diesel engine!! I havent seen this model Duetz before. Thats a crazy injection pump set-up!! Is it run off a shaft from the front gear drive?
Given that Deutz engines are air-cooled, can these engines be used in areas Tropical also work well?
Yes they work very well in high heat conditions.
I think the 413 series only went up to V12 though.
Deutz are a superb motor. Very strong. Does it not need the cover on the top to aid the cooling?
+TroyaE117 Yes it does need the top cover. Hoever these engines run very cool when they don't have a load. I ran it for a good 20-30 minutes and I could still hold my hand on the cylinders. Try that with a Harley!
@castirondude thats a deutz dudes it has to smoke so that it runs well if it smokes its okay that is how it is in germany because its from germany isnt it?
Wonder if there would be a way to modify the governor? Hook the throttle linkage right to the rack?
@Skytrimboy check my other video, I have a twin turbo V12! It's the same series of engine, same cylinders etc