A Judge's Perspective 2015 World Show Senior Western Pleasure
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- čas přidán 22. 11. 2015
- AQHA Judge Brent Tincher explains why the first-and second-place horses were the top senior western pleasure performers at the 2015 Lucas Oil AQHA World Championship Show. Production by Jody Reynolds, AQHA
Wow, with many decades riding horses, I couldn't agree more about the winner! I'm almost to tears. I can't believe Western Pleasure is finally getting to be where it needs to be. I am so happy with that winning horse. Thank you for explaining the video, judge, and thanks to aqha for getting the Integrity back in our horses again.
They look amazing! Slow but natural, this is how pleasure should be!
I love the way pleasure horses move now! this is beautiful to watch, these horses are free moving and happy.
Very proud to have raised Only A Breeze and see her accomplish so much!
She is awesome, beautiful, natural mover.
i zoned out watching this. i can watch wp allllll day
Loved the sorrel horse. True gaits with lots of self carriage. Minimal head bouncing. Glad it was rewarded!
the winning mare is just adorable
This video helped me so much!
great work..love the slow lope
Im getting sick of reading these hate comments towards the western pleasure community from not very well educated people.Ive ridden and worked with these types of horses growing up, and I can tell you that these horses love there jobs, they are some of the best, most friendly horses Ive met. Until you have worked with these horses, ridden them, and actually know what your talking about, stop your dang assumptions. And dont come up to me saying you know what your talking about, if you don't like WP, then don't watch these videos. The owners of these horses love there horses with all their hearts, and there's bad training methods in all riding disciplines, dressage, showjumping, saddleseat, reining, and I could go on and on, stop just directing all the hate towards western pleasure, these horses aren't your average thoroughbred, their breed naturally has a low head set, which indicates relaxation. Ive seen AQHA foals jog and lope like this, when they haven't had any training whats so ever. When you say horses look like there limping, look at a saddlebreds high action when in motion, thats bred into them as much as the slow, rocking movment in the AQHA horses. Every horse and discipline is different, as is everyone's opinion, so if you dont like these horses, you can leave :)
Thank you! Finally a comment I was looking for! I agree totally as I'm in the WP industry as well!
Sums it up just right
The Walker crew says the same thing about their "Big Lick" horses - It's natural, it is not abusive, they are perfectly sound, they love their job, it looks great, if you don't like it get lost, you don't know what you are talking about.
What you don't like is that some people here are telling you the emperor is buck naked - because the emperor IS buck naked. And you WPers are too brainwashed to see how stupid your horses look hopping around the arena. .
can you image the laughter if reining horses loped like that
I would still really like to see more ground covering movement in Western Pleasure at the lope and jog. The Western Pleasure jog as it stands looks like the front end and hind end are working in opposition of each other. It just isn't the correct movement in my amateur judge opinion. There is nothing "forward" about the movement of those horses at the lope. They looked heavy on their front end and constantly lifting their head carriage in order to get their front end up under them to perform the movement.
I agree with the winner of the class. Out of all of the horses it showed the most correctness in movement. Personally, this is why I could never judge in the upper levels of showing. My judgements are not popular. LOL
From a learning point of view, it would have been very helpful for the judge to have touched on the other horses in the class and why he didn't find them as appealing as the ones that won the class. We didn't even get to see the other contenders so that we could form our own opinions.
This video is 8 years old and what the heck happened?
Their jog is fast as a walk...
Its also a foxtrot. The front lands before the hind.
The fronts are just walking fast then the hinds are reaching up a little higher.
Had my mare canter slower than her good walk. That was a day.
Talltales100 it's called western pleasure they are supposed to go very slow, be very controlled, and have a very low headset!!
Robert Lee read your rule book.
some of them seem overly low ..also some of the canter lope whatever has really zero rythm ..its uneven its just slow its not schooled..i am sure these people love their horses but its very odd. Some of them are better than others.
These are great looking horses but I would have the black gelding over the sorrel mare
Janet Ledford have you ever heard of a discipline called western pleasure??
That first sorrel was actually going somewhere in the beginning. I hate how WP has become the anti impulsion contest.
As I was watching the two horses and listening to the judge comment about them, I have to say it was refreshing to see them actually performing all of the gaits Why is it then, when you go to the shows, view CZcams videos of shows or even looking for a horse, the horses are gimping around like they are crippled? If this is coming from an AQHA approved judge, why are the other judges continuing to place the crippled looking horses????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'm in 4h with western and just do pleasure to change things up with my horse, he's not the best at slow and collected but it's better having speed and an actually lope (head up but not too high and reaching his hindlegs underneath himself for a full gait) rather than having a lame looking horse that has a horrible/choppy looking canter/lope!
Judges don’t really like changing how they place, so when WP evolves it’s really slow.
@@laurenofcourse2120 Can't be slower than the gaits of these horses. Any slower and their joints would freeze.
Yes it has been a definite decline in traveling, the Western Riding horses move better than these artificial moving horses ...yes, very sad. He said it all when he says "meeting our rule requirements" .. hardly means that it is correct now does it. Though the sorrel does move quite well and does not have it's head on the ground.
how about we teach our horses to lope correctly!
Kelsie Duncan I don't understand. They are loping 100% correctly. I don't know if you are kidding or not.
I know right! Horses should have a nice speed but reach underneath their selves to complete one stride.
Randy VanLaar none of this is correct.
Randy VanLaar this is not a lope. If my horse loped like this I would think he was lame and I’d call my vet.
@@hayleehampton1352 show me your horse lope. How is it supposed to look.
im a 4H shower and my mom was watching a class that i was not in, and she asked one of my 4H leaders: "Why is Izzy (my friend) being placed below a lame horse?" and my 4H leader looked at her and said: "That horse is not lame. That is how they want a Western pleasure lope to look like." my mother was absolutely shocked, as am i! my horse still has a slow, rhythmic Western pleasure lope, but she never looks like she's gimping around the arena! so sad to see horses forced to move so slow and restricted. ah, just my opinion though...
4H horses can RARELY beat AQHA bred and trained horses. Some do both, but most AQHA horses I know (who dont do AQHA), do it because they could never compete with the well trained horses we have. Not being rude, its just a fact that AQHA has nicer horses!
Etta Lauchland Everyone weighs the respectability and beauty of horses differently; AQHA horses aren’t necessarily the best in my book. They are often interbred and maintain health problems throughout their lifetimes. I wouldn’t put my gelding through any of that rigorous process just to get a sash and blue ribbon, because I don’t find it humane to him - and he IS an AQHA qualified horse.
What a very condescending remark. And you ARE being rude.
It’s really true though. Go to any show and pitch a 4H horse against and AQHA trained horse. It’s just becuase AQHA is an industry and is a lot more demanding.
I completely agree
I had competed in this discipline 10 years ago and even now I don't regret ever getting out of it. There's certainly been some improvement where the horses are no longer cantering on an angle to make them appear more "collected" and their noses are allowed to stick out in a more natural position instead of sucked in at a vertical position. But, it's still so boring to watch and there is nothing more unpleasant then watching a horse bob his head while he lopes around the arena in such awkward pace.
Those tails 🥴
What's the deal with the wtc? They look lame? If this is inflicted naturally I don't know where I've been all my life and I'm glad I haven't seen it. I'm honestly so confused I'm used to an OTTB so I'm not sure what the deal is? Someone explain 😂
Elizabeth Sky burn the three horses he said he liked are actually moving nice for western pleasure. Most of these horses move like this naturally as it is bred into them. Kind of like how thoroughbreds are bred for racing you know? Quarter horses, especially pleasure horses like this are bred much heavier than racers because they want nice slow movements that are pleasurable to ride (basically really easy to sit, almost anyone could ride and not struggle to stay on). Believe me this is actually pretty decent compared to a lot of the other pleasure horses I’ve seen. They aren’t troping (aka loping in the front and trotting in the back) and they do carry themselves quite well. Walking and jogging that slow isn’t super hard to obtain for stock horses, but true western pleasure horses can move like this with little to no training. The loping in my opinion could be a bit more natural looking (maybe move out just a touch), but is fairly nice. Most judges should know how a good western pleasure horse should move, but sadly some like the “peanut pushers” who have their noses dug into the ground and truly do move like a crippled horse
Leafy green if you want a horse that is easy to ride then get a gaited horse.
These horses already foxtrot as it is. Watch them lope and jog in slow motion and you realize they are foxtroting . . . .
They’re bred for it. The western pleasure horses at my barn do this naturally in the field. The foal we have at the barn does this with his mom in their paddock. My girl doesn’t have the best bred for this, but she still will do this with her friend. 😊
Horrible....3 and 4 beat jogs.. and 4 beat canters with rocking horse motion......pitiful judging comments
Why do they all look so sad? Their heads are all hanging down. What does "looking through the bridle" mean?
they arent sad, their heads are low because they are relaxed, all horses put their heads low when their relaxed, and looking through the bridle is another term for them being focused on what they are doing.
+TallTales100 Have you not noticed a horse as it walks across a pasture where it carries it's head and neck naturally. Level.
Focused on their job, and relaxed as they perform it.
They’re balanced and relaxed. Looking through the bridle is when they’re not looking around and break at the poll.
These through a judge’s perspective videos,, the judge always seems to be at a loss for words- i think they all pick favorites and have to really shove themselves to say ANYTHING about the other horses lol. If they see one popular AQHA million dollar 15 hh horse theyll ALWAYS go for it- any new contestants mean nothing, i mean give first to the favorite and then throw the other places out to whatever. it doesnt matter.
This horse was showing to win... Self Carriage. Lets just repeat the same phrases over and over again out of the rule book.... Anyone care to actually explain how a judge goes about placing the class?? WHat separated the horses, from what I hear in this video everyone should just all tie for first place....
Omg it's not abuse, it's a discipline just like reining, barrels, and everything else. If they were in pain they would not be doing this. And you know what discipline is painful dressage.
I grew up around horses for a vast majority of my life and showed horses for years in both western and English pleasure/equitation and long time member of the AQHA. Qualified for state 4-H horse shows several times and won in 1st in western and English. IMO - these horses look horrible! Yes, I get the fact a "rocking" horse is fun and an easy ride but this is not natural despite the comments here. Listen to the judge and count that number of times he uses the word "profile." What does profile have to do with a pleasure horse? Really? Show me a horse walking out and covering ground. This is not a "ground covering" walk. Show me a true jog and it better be different than that slow little lope. What has happened to the great western pleasure horse?
Oh wow we should all listen to you because you won 4H!!!!! Also thanks for the life novel. Look if you want your opinion heard i suggest you go become a judge!
I agree, horses should be reaching underneath them selves and not just trotting with the back and either loping or walking in the front!
This looks better than what I’ve seen in the past, but these horses move like zombies and it’s extremely boring to watch and idk how people find this fun, it also looks so unnatural.
Looks like they are limping.
Riding this slow is not good for them.
These animals look badly animated..
Did they say "a ground covering walk"? LOL! These horses look and move like zombies! Very sad.
Its more "ground covering" then it used to be a few years back.
OMG. It's all hideous, but that awful, crippled-looking half-canter thing is the absolute worst . How long does it take to convince a sane person that this nightmare actually looks GOOD? I can't even imagine.
EO12345 How much does it take to convince someone who knows nothing about this wonderful discipline not to comment because they look horrible?
If you watch the lope and jog you realize the horse is foxtroting at both gates. . . . .
to canter a normal actually has to pick the feet off the ground, none of theses horses do that. what wrong with western classes. I guess theses judges are in a very small community cult atmosphere where everything is ass backwards. this is not naturel horse movement
babsfocker you can't even spell natural therefore I don't even consider your comment at all.
These horses are not cantering, they are loping. Learn the difference.
They aren't loping either, they are mimiking a foxtrot at the Lopez and foxtroting at the jog.
Watch the gaita in alow motion to see what I mean.
Loping and cantering is the same thing. Lope is more used in western, and cantering is used more in English.
WHY would anyone want to be in a discipline that applauds a gait that makes horses look crippled?HOW IS this pretty, good for them etc help me I DONT UNDERSTAND
I know, these western people have everything ass backwards !!
Should you have commented if you didn't understand?🤔
Cannot believe these horses are at the world level. All of them are awful. Only the judges can put a stop to this.
Terrible.
+Locke Consulting Inc. You don't show pleasure horses do you. The sorrel horse was awesome.
The thing is, that "riding" is terrible.
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kendall wilkerson I think he meant that these horse move unnaturally and they look bored and unhappy. It’s extremely boring to watch as well.
where is the happiness of the horse ???????? are they weak robots now ? with gaits for the slaughterhouse ??
Pferdecoach for real! They look so unhappy and bored, I’ve never seen any horse look so bored in any other discipline.
I showed back in the eighties, and it did not look like this. It IMO has not gotten better. I wish someone had not come up with this "lame lope". I don't care what anyone says, these horses looks miserable. Go back to the original natural lope, not the head dragging too slow lope that makes them look lame on all four feet.
Yeah seems horses like this sorrel mare are NOT winning. Congress is the worst.
Awful. Awful awful awful.