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IS THE HELINOX CHAIR ZERO WORTH IT? Maybe Not…
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2022
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I use ping pong balls to keep it from sinking in the dirt. They weigh nearly nothing and they work surprisingly well.
Nice! I needed a solution for this
The sport is actually table tennis. Ping pong is a trade name like perspex etc.
@@leonardmcdermott7703 Thank god we have Leonard to keep us straight !!
@@leonardmcdermott7703 😂
My couch got delivered two weeks late and I used my REI chair as my gaming chair. That should say everything. It was comfortable for hours with no complaints.
Hello Justin
I've been watching your videos for a few months, recently more often and I just wanted to thank you for your time to make them and how technically and well explained your reviews are,
Thanks to you I have spent a lot of money hahahahaha, but I am very happy because everything I buy is well thought out and of high quality, functional and above all ultralight, thanks again for your advice, I just bought the Polar Ranger thermarest a pleasure...
Greetings and have a good day
Great comparison as always. I'll definitely go the original at some point. In the interim I've got a cheap stool. It weighs about the same and sets up in 2 seconds. Great for taking a quick break on during a hike.
I have a Hillsound BTR stool that I use for Bikepacking. I find that the chairs are too low and I have difficulty getting out of them after a long day in the saddle. My stool pops open easily and can be used anywhere, anytime, without any effort. It is a great way to take a break. I rarely ever use it at camp. I use it for working on my bike trailside, for Photography when the tripod is set to a lower height, and of course, as a place to sit down whenever I need it. The stool is lightweight @3 g. or 14.1 oz. and easily fits into the frame bag of my bicycle. This great Canadian product is both affordable and ultralight! Time for a review?
Had the chair zero for a few years…love it. Just went to the high-back chair and it’s amazing! 6’1” and 220, wanted something with a little better support on my back. So much more comfortable to me.
I have a eureka model with a high back. It’s awesome (although heavier). I can lean my whole head back onto the chair back. Hubs has a helinox knockoff. We don’t hike very far though, under 10 km, so it’s not a big deal to have a heavier pack
I purchased a Chair Zero. Thought it was the answer to my camp comfort but found out I was wrong. It sinks in the Florida soil. The ground sheet for it is nice but does not help that much. The seat height stinks to put it politely. All the time I had been using the best thing ( for Me ) all along , my hammock. I like it because the hammock is at normal chair height all the time. My grandson is enjoying the chair , he's 10.
Thanks for the tip on the Hilltop Sacks. I bought one of them. I also bought the Helinox 45mm rubber balls that comes with a ballsack. :)
“Like my emotional intelligence, my core is getting stronger but my back still needs support” 😆 luv it …I could say the same about myself.
Excellent review. Thanks Justin.
I'm pretty sure the Hilltop Packs stuffsack for the chair isn't actually waterproof in either the DTRS75 Ecopak or Dyneema versions; they are "weather resistant". HP says bag isn't taped. Also, I don't think the leg orientation is actually what is patented, considering you only have to look at Big Agnes, GCI Outdoor, ALPS Mountaineering, Nemo, etc all have the same leg orientation. Pretty sure the patent has more to do with the hub system.
Hi Justin, I'm looking for the Mica pants and I would like to know how much it weighs? Its not on there web site
THanks
Mike
Have the chair and like it but how the hell can they patent leg direction? Why not patent the concept of a chair while they're at it?
I would add a few more burn holes to lower the weight. Think of the weight savings! Lol
What aftermarket stuff sack from Hilltop Packs did you buy for this?
When in sand or soft dirt I try to put the chair over a small log so it doesn’t sink in. The ground sheet seems to defeat the purpose of getting such a light chair. You say the pack size is a downside but are there other chairs that pack smaller? Or is that just in comparison to not bringing it? I bring it out to the forest when I take my Kindergarteners and they are always amazed by it 🤣. I think I need a waterproof bag for it!!
Out on mine today .. so comfortable.. best ever chair apart from my camp fire holes 😅
My chair broke within 1 year. The hole by the right leg, where you also have trouble finding the word for, was pierced by one of the legs you put in there. The hole simply wore out within that year. I use the chair every week. I got a replacement cloth due to warranty, but i was lucky since it only has one year warranty. Customer service was ok, but i don’t think that something like this should happen after 1 year for that price.
It seems that weekend hikers typically aren’t as ultralight focused as thru hikers, nor are they gone for weeks at a time, so having a helinox chair or Nemo moonlite is a no brainer. Remember the days when thru hikers used to carry 50 pound packs? What a privilege to debate over ounces!
Exactly! Anything more than 10-15 miles a day or longer than a three day trip I would NOT take a chair. For short easy trips where weight isn't a concern you bet I would love to bring along a comfortable spot to chill at camp.
Not a thru hiker. Weekend and up to 3 nights so far. I buy light stuff so I can bring luxuries. If I ever attempt a multi hundred mile trip, I will re evaluate my weight and luxury choices. Bringing a couple beers on an overnighter is no problem, only have to carry the cans back tomorrow. carrying a few beers on a through hike every day is ridiculous.
I have the Helinox Chair One as I like that it’s higher up from the ground. I think it was worth the extra weight for me personally. Also Go Oilers!!!
They now made the chair zero L which have the same dimensions as chair one and weighs 670g
I have the Hillsound BTR stool and I really like it for working in the garden pulling weeds but when I’ve brought out on the trail, I find myself wanting something with a back rest. I just can’t justify $130 for the helinox. Maybe someday.
..There are plenty knock offs out there ,,I have one pretty much identical for under $35.00 .. amazon
Same. I always go for my REI Flexlite even though I have both
6ft and 250#'s, I fit into it well,
just hard to get in and out of the chair.
I prefer the REI flex lite air chair. $30 less. Weights only 1lb. Has slightly better support for leaning back. Only thing I like better about the helinox is that you can stretch your legs out in front of you a little bit better.
When I looked it up it said it was 1lb 11oz. That's why I didn't consider it.
@@natehoover5266 You probably saw the original flexlite chair. The flex lite AIR is the 1lb version
@@deathcabforcutie67 yes I did. Wow. I got the Sierra Madre Air Chair. Sounds like some competition going on. Geez
@@natehoover5266 ya I’m pretty sure the flex lite air weighs slightly less than the sierra madre but I’ve never sat in that one it might be sturdier for the extra .36 lbs. the flex lite air only weighs 1 lb but when my bigger friend sits in it it’s definitely close to its weight limit.
@@CharlesBlank I just used my Sierra Madre Air Chair on a 4 day trip and I was never scared of it breaking or anything. I'm around 190lbs and felt completely comfortable. My base weight is still more than I want but it's getting lighter. It was only my second backpacking trip and I feel like I'm making good progress in my journey.
Ultralight chair vs ultralight hammock... the hammock wins everytime in my books! Nothing beats relaxing in a hammock at the end of a long hike 😀
not always a spot for a hammock and some of bc parks don't allow a hammock.
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
It is kind of insane they granted them that patent. It seems, very obvious... Currently planning to get the REI chair during the sale.
Chair Zero is the best!! Yes, it’s a little more expensive but use a 20% REI coupon (sale happening now). Plus, Helinox customer service is some of the best in the industry. My chair got destroyed at a concert last year. Sent damaged frame to them and got a new one within 1 week, no cost.
400% more expensive lol
Didn't you make a vid not too long ago where you revealed a strong competitor to this that reclines some? Was it the NEMO Moonlite Elite (REI)?
Anyone looking for this chair but hesitant at the $149 price point, Campmor has it on sale for $119 right now! (3/30/2024) Plus free shipping in the US. I finally pulled the trigger on it.
Helinox One is worth the extra pound of weight. More comfortable, wider and a bit taller than the Zero. If you're bigger than 6 foot and 200 pounds, go Helinox One
I tried both! The Helinox One is so much more comfortable and the weight you can barely tell the difference imo.
I just got the Sierra Madre Air Chair and they definitely could have used a better fabric but I guess that's why it was $30 cheaper.
Lighter fabric I mean. It's plenty sturdy.
Try Zerogram Hiker Chair. Feel much more comfortable.
Sierra madre air chair works pretty good
There's a video on CZcams where a guy used webbing straps to do what that little groundsheet from helinox does.
Hello, i just received this chair and I’m a bit disappointed because I feel quite strong compression points on my hips while I’m quite slim.
I had that issue a bit when I first got it, but it went away after the chair stretched a bit and contoured to my body.
I love my Helinox. Zero complaints.
What are your thoughts between the zero and the one?
I like that the Zero is half the weight and packs down smaller
Thank You Of France !!!
best vid on that. Thanks
Helinox offer comfort and light. Luv my sunset for tailgating. For day hiking prefer quicker setup and storage for brief rests. Got a dog. Bring a pad for longer breaks. Overnight zero would be worth the effort.
So is it crap or not? We need definitive answers Justin!
CRAP!
Love the Battle of Alberta reference
I think it's the chair one that all the knockoff's are based on since it's about 2lbs and so are most of them
My zero comes with me on each trip! I have broken my tailbone twice and therefore can't sit on the ground for a whole evening. So therefore I never go without mine. I love it.
Never had any issues with sinking into the ground by the way.
Obviously because you were not in soft enough ground for it to be an issue please tell me you have at least half a brain to comprehend that
My preference is a seat at normal chair height. I don’t care for a kindergartener’s chair that I would have to crawl around to get into and out of. Other campers have other preferences.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Look at Chair Buddies - better than the tennis ball trick. I’ve sat in my chair zero on some sketchy soft ground without sinking thanks to my Chair Buddies.
I love the Ground Zero chair.. I use the official mat with it.
What I took from this video was that you can apparently patent a camping chair leg configuration..
I sold this chair last month instead of buying a better one (zerogram hiker chair, 630g only). It's so much comfortable than helinox chair zero.
Ultra comfortable video? on its way or just not doing it now?
I do love my helinox chair.
Me too 😁
Team Chair Zero 🤣. I’ve even used it while having to wait in long lines. Totally got my dollars worth out of it!
The REI Flexlite Air is actually lighter!
Only by 1oz, but still! 😅
Not as comfortable or stable for me! I did a review of it when it first came out and it just isn't for me unfortunately. I do like the lighter weight and lower cost
@@GearPriority I wonder if it's a male/female bone structure thing (or height) cuz the helinox for me was so uncomfortable but I'm 5'7" AFAB. You should have Steph do a UL chair comfort check! lol
My wife really hates how the heliox feels, I didn't find it too bad. @@leeapplewhite4403
I dunno man, personally I think the chairs are just a fad.. Ive tried yours a few times, and I just don't see the comfort. It could just be my back and hips, but I find it creates a lot of discomfort in my lower back and hips
Never heard anyone being in discomfort sitting, what positions are you comfortable in?
@@AggyGoesOutdoors im comfortable sitting. But zero comfort for me sitting in those helinox chairs.
Let's go Blues!
I don’t believe it’s patented, Walmart sells a “sideways” base chair made by ozark trails. Walmart and a big brand such as ozark trail wouldn’t be able to infringe on a patent
I'm thinking they have patent pending thinking somehow leg direction is a patentable thing lol capitalism is so dumb sometimes
Gotta go with Kyle on this one....nature is my seat.
Gotta get the Big Agnes Skyline UL. Like a couple oz heavier but the deeper butt scoop makes it so worth it. Plus it sits higher off the ground.
Have been looking at this chair for a couple of weeks. What are the cons of the skyline as you see them? I'm looking for the ugly, talk me into, or out of it!
@@jamesthornton3339 only thing I can think of is it's just slightly heavier than the helonox and the hubless poles take just a second longer to set up. But I like the hubless poles because it packs smaller. It's held up to backpacking, concerts, dogs, camp fires, and still looking great. Love it
I love camp chairs or stools but that thing is just not justified IMO!!😁✌️💚
first of all, a chair is important for you to have a proper rest and quality time... certain may argue that's pussy n rather seat on the rock... think about you sit on the ground instead of sofa at home for 3hours?
chair zero is the lightest you could get, since it's unique, this is hard to argue abt the price between a rolex and casio... they worth for ppl perceive that worth (400g more for half of price)...
Such an uncomfortable chair, puts a great amount of pressure on both of my hips, it's painful. I had to send it back. Bought a Decathlon chair for 40 euros, very steady and sooo more comfortable than the helinox that I'm willing to have a chair twice the weight but being comfy and painless. Anyhow, I use it for bike touring,so weight is not such an issue as it would be for backpacking.
Legs on a chair with X design. Patent violation? X support anything gotta be old than the wheel.
..spokes for $200.00 Alex.
meh ~ I just ran with the even lower type Helinox Ground. I wanted to be able to use it in my tent(s) without much fuss of flooring/see out. Yeah pricey but what baby wants baby gets, 'n got the nod from the missus even though she'll have a harder time standing up from. lol, so I got the smaller hardtop table too.
Yoiks! 28 bucks tax sooked to the tune of 438+ to free ship home.
picking a bit: Pinch points/neck fatigue? Ya know why peeps move around in their sleep right?
ima just hoping my 40" legs/feet/boots can sit up Indian when it's not my cup O tea sitting on ground as.
Eesh, up/down tending bon fire might be a new exercise. (-:
And thanks for the reminder it melts. But your holes self healed like one I got in my trampoline mat near edge..years ago 'n fine.
'n yup, no more poly shoelace loops for this guy fire tending. lol, how's them slippers looking?
I near went with the Zero thinking I've some old suede leather jacket even thicker older vest to cut out from.
A good old chunka leather isn't a one trick pony ta boot. ~ Surely 1day someone's dog would steal my tennis balls and have to chase better of an hour. (-: ~ Leather strop as well?
Lower for inside tent knocked me off the fence. Twice I've spent long hours in a tent due to rain, one as two person dome pup tent~esque.
High 'n dry nice tent in some frog choking rain, laying down so long sooked...dimmit I knew I shoulda tried yoga. (-;
~ Other was a dandy 10' x 10' I could stand in but had two curved pipe leg folder chairs to bring inside.
Chair sitting wasn't a bad day with pocket of jerky even though Jay's 'n red squirrels out calling us whimps.
I have the Chair One (Large; 1100g) and am happy to lug it every time. I am 6’5 / 198cm so my knees were banging my ears on the Chair Zero.
Tried it all. Practice golf balls are the lightest and most effective.
Oilers for sure
and I will add: for those who take a book (a real book 😉) with them, it's the pinnacle of happiness.
Very worth it if you're older. I'm not a weakling that weighs my gear so I am unconcerned about how many grams it weighs. I also use the Helinox groundsheet with it, and it solves the sinking & wind sail issues (put a rock on the groundsheet). I also keep mine in a dyneema sack from Hilltop. It rides low which is great for relaxing, but not so great for getting up and down as you mention. I also carry a stool which sits several inches up higher and is great for when I'm cooking or doing chores/ being more active at camp, and also doubles as a table when I'm sitting in the chair zero. These keep your backside off the snow in the winter too, invaluable.
so they charge fortune for piece of aluminum and some Nailon and they aren't decent to include extra Mat for 160$ you have buy like addition? Moral company no doubt.
I tried so hard to like this chair but I got tired of being stabbed in the arm pits. For $120 I gotta love it!
I won't backpack without my Chair Zero.
The tennis balls are heavier than the mat.
I put off buying one for a long time.........now that I have it, I love it. Worth it
I have seen it hold up to 235 lbs. Top it off with my DIY groundsheet perfection!
@@ItsGoodintheWoods I used your ground sheet video to make one out of ripstop nylon. So far it’s working, but I need some more time with it to make sure my stitching holds up before I can call it a success.
$7 of nylon was enough to make 3 ground sheets for the whole family.
@@jonsanford2515 That's awesome! I hope they hold up for a long time.
can't be without it. stumps and sit pads just don't cut it.
Good video review but the title is clickbaity…
Anyone who complains about a chair being too much weight obviously not in the military. When you get used to carrying 60lb bags adding 17oz to a 35lb bag is utterly nothing.
no one gets used to 60 pounds bags lol
The wind blew mine into a fire 😭😭
Complete crap. Bought it on amazon just to be sure I'd get a sure reimbursement....I'm pretty slim and half of me was on the floor....was back in the parcel after 5 minutes...pretty incredulous about all the hype this product gets.
Make a chair with your poles , 1/4 the price, 1/2 the extra weight to carry, taller and a quicker set up
Those sling chair style still have you sitting on the ground, defeats the purpose
@@bluebird2223 Not sure what you are talking about, but OK.
OILERS FOR LIFE
Naaa flames
By choosing a camp chair as a person without disability you are literally saying I don’t care about my hip and/or back strength and flexibility. Its weight and its cost are nothing compared to your physical health, strength, and flexibility. Be human, sit on the ground. Use your body. Celebrate it. Coddle at your own peril.
I bet you are fun at parties
@@TomTomLo1 fun and informative! Joy comes from accepting reality, not denying it.
Why did you put the Oilers on the same side as the Dems...wtf!
Could you please stop making reviews about gear that's on my wishlist? My wallet is screaming.
Apart from his ability to talk non-stop for 10 minutes without breathing, is there anything that qualifies Justin as a reviewer of outdoor equipment? Or, like 99.99% of CZcams, is the channel just a dude with a camera and a desire for unearned income?
And then we have Lars the asshole for the win , Keep up the good work Lars
No, it is not.