Alistair Begg and Attending Trans / Gay weddings - A Critique.
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I hope this is of some small encouragement to somebody. One day I found my daughter crying in the bedroom. She told me she was non-binary and had changed her name to something more masculine. She believed we were going to throw her out onto the street. We sat her down, had a massive cuddle and told her the truth. Although we would never change on Biblical truth, we would always love her and always be there for her. There were a lot of tears (I think of relief on her behalf). The next few months were not fun. My daughter would attend a weekly appointment with the school counsellor who could encourage her in her non-binary beliefs and point her to ‘helpful’ LGB groups. We obviously couldn’t point her in the other direction because the enemy has had that labelled as illegal CT. I don't know how long behind the scenes we prayed for her, months if not a year or more. We admitted to the Lord we would never attend ceremonies or use her pronouns. We could not become part of the untruth that was against His Truth. And then, one day, she stood in the doorway to the lounge and told us she had a boyfriend. That came out the blue! We had to put the brakes on our excitement at what the Lord had done. There was no mention of LGB from us, we just carried on like a slightly better than normal day (though were sooo excited). We met the lad, nice fella, training to be a copper. A year later I was putting out the rubbish and found all my daughters LGB stuff (she must have hidden in her room) thrown in the bin. I have never mentioned it to her, but I was so happy. There is no doubt the Lord worked through this situation. We did nothing except pray and remain faithfully to the Truth. We are also witnessing God moving in the lives of our friends and there child who has been in a long term LGB relationship. What started as a family separated is turning into family who visited church together. Again there was no compromise on faith, just prayer and a massive move by the Spirit. Every battle is different but there is GREAT hope in Christ. Be encouraged if you are in a similar situation and God bless.
There's a very good reason "point her in the other direction" is illegal almost everywhere on the planet. Not only does it not work, it actually makes problems far worse.
Why do you want your child to conform to this world? Yet you deny your child's God given identity in favor of their body?
Think of it this way: when you call someone, do you speak to the person or their genitals or DNA? That "person" your child has does not match the body this broken world created. They need to change their body and expression to match what God intended but this world would not provide.
You want to witness God truly moving? Use your child's correct pronoun. Tell them they are saved because all you need is faith and trust.
BTW that's called a purge. Your child can't become a different person any more than a bald man can will his hair to grow.
They will begin collecting things again.
Be compassionate and accepting. Teach them to have a good heart because THAT is what Jesus will judge, not their body.
Thank you for sharing this powerful testimony, God bless you and your daughter.
@@RevBrettMurphy PLEASE HELP! How can I stop the gender dysphoria?
I was touched by Jesus so I know I'm saved.
But I'm losing my sanity to the dysphoria.
@@r-plattyou need to find a solid bible believing church that believes in deliverance. They will help deliver you from the demons inflicting your mind
My daughter left her husband of 14 years to marry a woman. We were blindsided! She never explained only expected we line up with her choices. No matter how much I told her we loved her no matter her choices, she would say “it doesn’t feel like love” thankfully she did not invite us to her wedding, we would have declined. Since her wedding she has only grown in her hostility towards us, and it is heartbreaking. 💔 she left a Bible teaching church to join a “fun” church, that sadly validates her lifestyle. She has told me more than once that she is “led by the Holy Spirit” I pray for her, and our family, including myself… John 16:8-11
@dominionphilosophy3698 I strongly disagree w/ that. All you're showing her is you care more about principles than about her. You can take a stand, make your principles known, but still love your own flesh and blood.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 But wouldn't the daughter already have known her mother's Christian based principles to start with..and she expects that mother to drop everything she believes to condone the daughter's actions. The mother will still love her...she doesn't have to approve of her daughter's lifestyle.
That must be so painful! I will pray for you and your daughter.
Homophobia causes LGBT to marry the opposite sex knowing they are not able to, to please homophobics but eventually they have to be how God made them to be.....you should be proud of her for being who she is.....and not stay in a church that validates your homophobic lifestyle....
but homophobia is a sin@MichelleStaunton-zq8eg
Totally agree with you Rev. We face a similar situation with our oldest daughter, who is in a lesbian relationship. She has asked us to attend her wedding and for her dad to give her away. We've explained to her that we love her but that is not something we can do. It has been difficult because she will throw up in our faces other "Christians" support her homosexuality. we just keep reminding her that we love her and we pray for her every day.
I can't imagine having to make that decision, to not be able to give my own daughter away at her wedding. That must be very painful, because you know she just can't understand, in the state she's in now. I can't honestly say that I could make the stand to not even go. Not trying to say that you should, but it must be very hard. I can sort of see what this other pastor is saying, in that they know where you stand, they know you aren't sanctioning a gay union, but to go in love, just because you love them.
Just share with her 1 John 2:4. A Christian is more than a starting point verbal confession. Many claim, few are True.
I cannot imagine your pain, I will pray for you both and for your daughter. Well done standing firm on God's word and remaining loving to your child. God be with you in each step of this difficult journey.
That is clearly a very very difficult situation to navigate. But may I say here we are on CZcams. CZcams promotes finances, supports and lobbies for these very things and here we are making them rich. So at least we can see their selective hypocrisy. By being on CZcams and Facebook and by having Netflix and Amazon prime, we finance, support, promote, pay for the lobbying that these companies do to promote these ungodly things. See where it’s not an easy moral to just quickly come to terms with. It’s a difficult thing. May the Lord bless your family now until Christ returns and forever more.
@@chazisflying All the companies promote the alphabet mafia. They are a powerful lobby group. Almost all the places we shop, where were bank, cell phone companies. it's everywhere. You see banners, and promoting trans, gay affirming, it's absolutely everywhere. My small Canadian town has a rainbow crosswalk. That's my house tax money paying for that. They investigated it as a hate crime somewhere, because a really purposeful looking skid mark was left on one of those rainbow crosswalks. Can't remember where that happened. Nothing came of it. Our small town one seems to have a marked skid mark too, lol. It's downtown, where you're always driving very slow, so doubt it wasn't on purpose too.
He was so wrong and thank you for standing up to him for the Lord!
I had to tell my adult son that he and his live-in fiancée (she is -the wedding is in August) cannot share the same bedroom when they come to visit us in Florida. He got a bit upset but accepted. I will be so happy when they finally have the ceremony and I am of course PRAYING for them!!
He was not wrong. 1 Corinthians 5:9-12.
Satan is having a field day. We know that we’re all sinners and we also know that if we are guilty of one sin, we’re guilty of them all.
Now we have all of these judges that have websites and most of them have already condemned Alistair Begg for what they believe was for his sin.
They even went so far as to take him off the radio where he had close to half a million listeners.
Satan and his minions are all celebrating.
Let’s go after John MacArthur next.
@@RichardSmith-dj2th And all the people condemning Begg forgot to read 1 Corinthians 5:9-13
Well done in lovingly but firmly holding to Biblical principles. Its insane how many so called Christians are willing to compromise on these issues nowadays!
@@angelosophy you misinterpret those passages. We all ‘associate’ with immoral people during our daily lives for they are all around us and of course we also hope to reach them with the love of Jesus. But to condone something that is abhorrent to God thru appearing at ceremonies that slap Him in the face is a far different matter. “Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be.”
1 Thessalonians 5:22 AMPC
This one blindsided me. I absolutely adore Begg. Truth for Life has been a source of inspiration for me. Like you said he's been faithful for 50 years and this is the first time Begg had ever said something to cause me to turn my head.
I don't have time currently to watch the full video but I'll watch after work tonight. I do look forward to your insights. I'll just repeat my absolute love for Alistair Begg ans his ministry and will pray for him. I apologize Rev for commenting before watching the full video but this struck me deeply as Pastor Begg was been hugely influential on my Christian walk.
Alistair said nothing wrong. Read 1 Corinthians 5:9-12 and you’ll understand why he said what he did.
@@angelosophy What about that passage makes you think so? It's possible to "associate" with someone without giving approval to their ungodly actions.
Romans 1:28--31 identifies the characteristics of the depraved mind. If I would be wrong in attending a gay or trans marriage, would I also be wrong in attending the narriage of anyone who displays a depraved mind, or in voting for Donald Trump? Are we consistent when we prof text Romans 1 and preach rejection for sexual offences but not the symptoms of depraved thinking and actions? 5:04
@user-mp5nt4nd3n I don't blame anyone for not voting for Donald Trump lol. When it comes to politics, at least in 2024, it's all about voting for the lesser of the two evils I guess. As a Christian it's hard to vote for anyone who wants to make it legal to murder babies in the womb which means I'm just as conflicted about voting for Biden as I am Trump. I really hate the state of American politics at the moment...
I think John Piper had an excellent response to the Alistair Begg controversy and I'll just repeat that I think Begg is wrong on this issue but he has been a faithful man of God and a treasure to modern day Christianity. Anyway I don't know if Rev Brett approves of linking to other channels in the comments but just search on CZcams for John Piper's response to Alistair Begg. I think Piper did a good job covering it.
@@AmazedByGrace1 Specifically the part where Paul says that he never told us not to associate with immoral people outside the Church and that we have no business judging outsiders
Thank you Pastor Brett, for clarifying and standing up o God's WORD. We need more pastors like you.
we need less homophobics and more christians
A wonderful listen, Thank you Reverend!
I have been listening to A Few Of Professor Rosaria Butterfield’s speeches! She is married to a Reverend in The USA, She’s not a Pastor herself. She’s Written man Books on her Pre- Lesbian Life and How She Became a God loving and devoted Christian and How God Changed her life! And TO Beckett Cook, whose an incredible Christian! I’ve learnt soo much.. from them..
They Both caring and God Fearing Christians!
I mentioned Beckett in the live stream. Such a sweet man.
@@MumT05 He truly is! 🙏🏻
I was Becket regularly, and have binge watched Rosaria Butterfield at times. I would be fascinated to know how they would feel about this situation. I can't help but suspect that Rosaria might agree w/ Pastor Begg.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 I'm disgusted at the hounding and pile on.
I see so many have made the indignant videos, strangely the uproar has me thinking Alistair is possibly right. Leaving the door open and showing agape love was his thought.
there are no ex gays just liars
Very well answered indeed, couldn’t be clearer. Very generous and kind but got to stand for the truth. Thank you Brett. You are a very faithful man. Very, very disappointed with Alistair Begg and saddened.
Alistair was not wrong. 1 Corinthians 5:9-12.
You have massively taken that verse out of context@@angelosophy
@@RevBrettMurphy How. Please explain.
@@RevBrettMurphy 1 Corinthians 5:9-12 “I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ‘Expel the wicked person from among you.’”
Did you catch the part where Paul says that he never mentioned to anyone that we shouldnt be associating with the immoral people of the world, but rather the Church? Did you catch the part where Paul said that God judges outsiders, and we have no businesses in that realm? So what part here am I taking out of context? You told me I’m wrong, but you dont get to just say that and move on, especially not concerning Scripture. Now its your job to tell me WHY you think im wrong. Unless you dont actually have a reason why, and then I’ll expect your silence to be loud enough.
homophobics lie though
I think this incident shows how dangerous it is, if reaching out to the lost (aka the evangelistic motive) might get in the way of proclaiming the truth if it is made the foundational principle before which everything else has to bow. Thank you for these helpful insights.
I have just remembered: around thirty years ago, one of our local newspapers, THE SOMERSET COUNTY GAZETTE printed a photograph of a very fussy 'County' wedding, where the bride and groom were married in their local parish church, IN THE PRESENCE OF THEIR CHILDREN. When I wrote to the paper to point out that it was usual for brides and grooms to be required to be virgins on their marriage, the mother of the groom (who happened to be one of the newspaper's columnists, told me to "wake up uin the back pews Mr Dyer! The Church has moved on!" Is that so, Brett?
They were repenting of living in sin though, and were finally getting married, in order to give example to their children. Sometimes we have to say, better late than never.
I appreciate your gentle spirit toward Alistair Begg.
Its important to weigh up a man's wider life and teaching instead of condemning him over one foolish mistake. He's sadly doubled down on his error but I pray he repents.
You gave an excellent answer! God bless you brother!
Thanks again Brother Brett for the wisdom. It is the wisdom we all need to clarify the confusion of this world today. Proverbs 3:13-18 ESV Blessed is the one who finds wisdom, and the one who gets understanding, for the gain from her is better than gain from silver and her profit better than gold. She is more precious than jewels, and nothing you desire can compare with her. Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. ... Chris x
Thank you so much, Rev. Brett. I could not agree more with you. Being a resident of Northern Ohio, myself, Pastor Begg's recent comments really shocked and saddened me. My husband and I have always enjoyed his teaching and would listen to his broadcast on our local Christian radio station. In addition to this, we also have an adult child who has been deceived by the current flood of dissipation in our culture, so we are praying and believing for her return. I appreciate your respectful and biblically sound response.
Thank you SO much, Pastor Murphy! I wholeheartedly agree with you. thank you for standing for the truth even though it may not be popular in our culture, that is what we are called to do. I appreciate your courage, and truth spoken in love.
Thank you for the comforting words of IS 56. Lord Bless you Pastor.
Very solid response, thank you.
Thank you Brett for your gracious response to this issue. Having watched many others comment on this issue I feel it's been a bit like the 'bulls of bashan' surrounding him, though maybe not without good reason, but let us be careful lest we too fall! I've always enjoyed Alistair's ministry for many years and was saddened with the way he handled this, so certainly praying for him. Bless you for your wise response.
The same question was asked of John Piper years ago. One of the things he said was: "Anyone who is joining together to celebrate sin is sinning." There it is in a nutshell. The human love aspect then, is actually irrelevant. It is actually NOT love to attend.
Hi there. Thank you for this Vlog. I listen to most of your internet output and find it helpful. I also listen to Rev Dan and Anglican Unscripted. As an ex Methodist and now Grace Baptist you would expect that there would be some things we would differ on! My wife and I have been listening to Alistair Begg and found his teaching very helpful however we were surprised over this statement of his with which we disagree. I agree with you and appreciate your gracious attitude. I have appreciated stuff from the Gospel Coalition in the past and especially Tim Keller, Don Carson and John Piper and would be interested to know where you think they are going wrong. Every blessing. David
Thank you... I am a Protestant and I do agree with you... I am so sad about Pastor Begg. Praying for him. Our Lord told us that the road was going to be narrow. Praying we all stay faithful to the end. Blessings
Stand firm on the word of God! "Speaking the truth in love." Eph 4v15
I think you speak the truth in love, take a stance, but still support the family member in love, w/out supporting the gay union.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 I agree, and for a believer, the word of God is paramount. The family member should be assured they are still loved, but implicit approval of the situation which is against biblical teaching cannot be condoned, and this should be explained lovingly.
Thank you Pastor Brett!
If I was in this position I would invite the grandson and other person to lunch at a nice restaurant and explain to them why I will not be attending from a biblical standpoint. Caring for their souls is more important to me than giving offence by not attending
Amen ! Truth
But think of the opportunity for all those lost souls at the wedding to hear the Gospel! 1 Corinthians 5:9-12. We are not supposed to hide ourselves away from the world! Alistair was correct!
Attending the wedding means you consent with same sex marriage which is against the Bible teaching. If you say you will take the opportunity to spread the gospel in the wedding, (bear in mind that the gospel is to tell everyone that they have sinned, including the same sex marriage and call them to repend), you are going to 'ruin' the wedding. Why create a confrontation?
@@virginiatushman3240 “Attending” means nothing other than you showed up. If you cheer or clap for them, thats a different story. I will add that I think Begg was wrong to tell the woman to but them a present. Thats much more affirming than showing up
@angelosophy Paul said we can eat anything, including the food that was offered to idols because idols are nothing. However, if our deed of eating would cause those who are weak in faith troubled, we should not do it. Same logic. Is attending a Satan worship ceremony okay? I don't think so. Rituals such as a wedding are manifestos of one's belief. Let's not become stumbling blocks for others.
I’m really surprised at this. He spent weeks last year preaching on Jude and he was pretty uncompromising.
Thank you Rev. Beautifully put and with Alastair. I've watched him for a long time and he's encouraged my walk with the Lord no end. I don't think it was the right thing to say to this grandmother but we can all make mistakes even pastors. Im praying for him and lifting him up to our father. You put all the transgender issues really beautifully and biblically and really sensitively. Thank you and God bless you x
Dont get discouraged! Alistair WAS NOT WRONG! Read 1 Corinthians 5:9-12!! God had put this passage on my heart often for the past couple weeks. A situation related to it came up at my own church, and now here it is surfacing again! I had never recalled this Scripture before recently.
Once you read it you’ll understand why he said what he did
@@angelosophyAlistair, is that you? 😂
@@jrr570 Did you read the passage, or did you just simply ignore the Scripture?
no sin in being born trans
The grandmother sounded perplexed and confused at Begg's answer. This wasn't about the "wedding" per se, but rather about the grandmother's position on it. Given her Christian commitment, Begg gave her very poor advice. Not attending may not have anything to do with sending a "judgmental" message, but rather it has to do with the grandmother's conviction in her own beliefs. Begg messed up.
It could also be argued Begg has further sinned by advising a faithful Christian to go against her conscience.
the real issue is homophobia is a sin @@RevBrettMurphy
Excellently put Rev Brett. This teaching also applies in other areas because sin is sin. A member of my family is apart from me because they are determine not to accept the truth in love from me & I cannot continue to condone their sin. I cannot remain quiet & just put up with things.
I’m constantly praying for them to come to the end of themselves & for the Holy Spirit to bring true repentance 🙏.
The marriage was between a man and a trans woman.
A trans woman is a woman in mind, heart and soul. From God's view doesn't that make it a marriage between a man and a woman?
Or are trans people just not allowed to exist?
We should stay in the closet where it's cold, dark, lonely, and endlessly terrifying.
I don't condone homophobia as all christians don't
Thank you!
Absolutely agree with you Brett! God bless you for holding firm to God's word.
Where does God's word say to use laws to do harm to people?
You are saying trans people should stay in the closet where it's cold, dark, lonely and endlessly terrifying.
You say we should conform to our body - to THIS world; not to the mind, heart and soul God gave us.
@@r-platt - No, that is NOT what is being said, that is what you are mistakenly reading into it.
My suggestion, and Matt's too I believe, is that people suffering from gender confusion should get the proper expert mental health therapy, delivered with as much compassion as with expertise.
Of course that is quite difficult, and massively less profitable for the medical and pharmaceutical industry ...
What worries me is I don't hear anyone saying they have gone back to Alistair Begg to allow him to explain. If you have anything against anyone, the first place to go is back to the person. Have you done that Brett? You lead so many online. Please follow the discipleship procedure and report back. Alistair Begg has been a faithful Bible teacher for decades. He is sound. He stands squarely with the Biblical teaching of marriage, one man, one woman. So please go to him and ask him for clarification.
This is a public discussion/critique of Begg's views that are in the public domain. It is not a personal private issue between Brett and Begg.
but the bible doesn't always say marriage is 1 man and 1 woman,,,,,, not read a bible I assume have u? In the OT marriage is also 1 man and many wives for example.
Spot on Brett- keep the faith. Pray for Alistair to recognise his error here and retract the statement and get on teaching the gospel. It needs Godly people to support him to be able to recover from this blunder. Sorry is a hard word but it’s one we all must be ready to use to each other and to our Heavenly Father.
Well put, brother. Like your interview of Calvin R. Keep up the good work. John Piper has good comments. See below.
czcams.com/video/UousPa1ks0w/video.html&ab_channel=DesiringGod
Thank you so much for this powerful, beautiful, truthful and loving teaching. Pastor Begg got it all wrong this time around. ❤
Appreciate your courage You are blessed 🙏❤️🩹🙏
Isn't everyone a sinner?
Why is everyone focused on the body on not the mind, heart and soul? God judges the heart, not the body. So from God's view that was a marriage between a man and a woman.
great! thank you
I have loved Alistair Begg's preaching over the years. But I am absolutely shocked that he would recommend this action by this questioning lady.
I feel bad for the grandmother, but to attend the wedding and give the "couple" a present is just affirming a disoriented relationship. Unfortunately, as Christians who follow the teachings of God's Church, you have to draw a line, even if some people may be offended,
According the Paul that line is to remain within the Church, not outside it. Alistair was right. 1 Corinthians 5:9-12.
@@angelosophy And how do you know that the grandson that woman was talking about doesn't profess to be a Christian?
how is love disoriented? When did love become a sin for u?
@@pastorbri Heres something to think about: If you had children and one day they came up to you and said “we want to have nothing but ice cream and candy to eat for 3 meals a day for until we’re 18,” Would it be *unloving* of you to say no to them?
@@angelosophy Heres something for you to think about, if you had kids and they wanted to find love.....would u say NO to them????
BTW there is nothing wrong with ice cream and candy so long as its in moderation. So its loving to compromise, but u wouldn't compromise with love so you would be unloving ......
I was surprised to hear that Rev. Brett had a member of his family who is transgender. I did not expect that.
how blessed he is
What a big moral mess we are in !!!
Alistair was correct, and its not a question of subjective morality. Scripture is on his side. 1 Corinthians 5:9-12.
@@angelosophyyour reference proves Begg was not correct. Did you make a typing error?
@@tracycroll4325 No. The reference says that we shouldnt be hiding ourselves away from the unsaved world. This gay wedding is a perfect opportunity for a family member to come and share the Gospel with those lost in darkness. Do you think otherwise?
The church is in a moral mess (as usual) - wider society is just fine thank you.
@@angelosophy you need to look at the whole of scripture. You could not share the gospel as a guest at a ceremony of this type without causing a huge fuss. Ceremonies of this type affirm - attendance affirms. You cannot attend if you cannot affirm.
Straight talking Rev, thank you. In Mark 10, Jesus loved the rich young man but nonetheless told him the difficult thing he had to do. As shown in some of the stories in the comments, you can still love someone whilst standing up for what you know to be right.
I pray that God will give strength, courage and faith to all Christian parents as they bring up their children in these difficult times. And I pray for the children too: they seem to be being told that almost everything and anything is acceptable.
God sees the heart, not the body. That means the marriage was between a man and a woman.
Why is everyone in a rush to conform to this world?
Why do people want to be defined by their genitals or chromosomes and not their personality?
and never bring children up in the homophobic lifestyle.
I heartily agree with you. As to those who argue that since God is love and we should show live to the same sex 'marriages', I hope they will consider 1 Corinthians 10:31 "So, whether you eat or drink, or WHATEVER YOU DO, do all TO THE GLORY OF GOD" As themselves, is blessing and partaking in same sex marriage, showing your consent, a deed that woild gloriy God?
praise Jesus for same sex marriages I say as all christians do
Right on, never compromise truth for people pleasing. The scripture is very clear. We can love them but also must speak truth and pray the LORD will draw them into right relation with Himself. People pleasing is same as idolatry.
so homophobia is a form of idolotry?
Im so shocked at this advice from alistair begg that insane
I have two sons who I raised in the faith. Neither of them are Christians. One is gay, the other trans. My heart is broken over them, but I pray for them constantly. I also have a daughter who is not a Christian either. I believe God will bring them all back to himself, as children they did put their trust in him.
If you want your children to live in faith you need to show them how to incorporate God into their lives _without_ requiring them to be someone they are not.
In my quest for truth I have found the ONLY way all Christians get to heaven is if Matt 22:34-40 (the Laws of Jesus) are ALL we need. Can you break a law if you fulfill the laws they are based upon?
Romans 13:9-10 tells us LOVE fulfills all the laws.
Think about it. Do Catholics and Protestants and Lutherans and every other sect go to heaven? If not, why not? It's just different views of the same text with the same basic message: LOVE.
Soundly biblical counsel Brett. It was painful to hear this example. Discernment, wearing God's whole armour is called for. It is a season of apostasy. This development is helping me reduce the time I spend with podcasts. I'm thankful for the Lord's discipline through this. Proportionate understanding is key. More time in God's Word all the more valuable, more prayer and worship/fellowship with faithful brethren is more to the purpose. I felt the pain of this grandmother could have been better compassionated with by Pastor Begg, whom I respect. His public recanting is important - may that happen. Thank you for referring us to Isaiah 56.🙏
If Brett was really 'soundly Biblical 'he would be calling for gay people to be executed.
If you check The Gospel Coalition (I just now did), you will see Alistaire Begg is no longer on it.
Totally agree, 100%. It is quite clear: LOVE consists first and last of helping anyone come closer to God. There is no other security in life in the end; all our 'closenesses' are through God. As usual, when a person starts delving into what is devious, it becomes complicated. As Scott Peck said: when you are in the presence of a 'person of the lie' (in his book People of the Lie), you feel confused! Yes! Not only is there only really security with God, there is also only: truth, reality, integrity, clarity, and so on, with Him. We....hold fast to His Word; He gives us stability, happiness, joy. It is really very simple; and when there is deviation, there is a morass - misery, in the end. Therefore, it is quite clear that to condone this relationship, is not charitable; it is encouraging that person to be lost. God's guidance encompasses every element of our lives, and this issue in question is a most serious one. I do not see how any Christian could disagree, unless their 'Christianity' is just lip service. To be a true Christian requires courage. That is why the C of E is collapsing - it has no backbone, it is weak.
I think this espisode is a Big fish story , for him to express his position
and acceptance of the rainbow agenda .
but not the homophobic agenda?????
Amen.
Begg is going down the love is love track
love is love though
What is the CZcams LGBTQ plus policy that we are supporting by being on here? Is it passive support or is it direct support? It’s not a question. I hope you see this Reverend Brett Murphy. I enjoyed listening to use the first time I listen a few more times before I may, or may not click subscribe. Lord bless you always keep you now until Christ returns and forever more.
we must never support homophobia
I may find I am wrong, but, it seems to me Pastor Begg might just be opening a dangerous door that qualifies current societal beliefs in love and caring over biblical teaching, and ignoring the context and the act of implying consent to what is an un repented sin. We have all sinned, I really do that, and I have no right to condemn others, and I hope I am not, but surely it is wrong to bless a sin. Just because this sin is a current society issue. Once you do get that, what about all the other sins that mankind can do? Are these to be blessed and consented to as well? This then becomes modification of scripture to suit current society ideas. We have to choose. Surely, this started to happen in ancient churches where Apostles had to correct? Or are we now saying we are superior and our way is better. Sounds like rebellion to me. I’m sorry if this offends anyone, but I have to stand by my beliefs.
Pastor Begg has read After The Ball, so he knows about the slippery slope. I don’t understand….
God sees the heart, not the body so this was a marriage between a man and a woman.
Why is everyone rushing to conform to this world?
When you speak to a person, you don't speak to their genitals or DNA. You speak to their mind, heart, or soul. That's the true person - the part that is judged and lives forever, not a body built from a fallen and imperfect world.
The real question is, why would ANYBODY attend such a vile 'occasion?'
u mean homophobic church's?
Agree 100% The Gospel Coalition is too ambiguous for me
God sees the heart, not the body. That makes the marriage between a man and a woman.
You see the body, not the heart. You call it wrong because you cannot see what God sees and the married couple knows.
Why do you push conformity to this world?
I learned yesterday that American Family Radio,one of the networks that airs Beggs program, contacted him fir clarification. His staff said that he refuses to change his mind or his statement. He refused to Recant. AFR then summarily dismissed his program from their radio stations. Good for them!
Begg clarifys before making the statement everyone is appalled about
I was hoping you would say something about the scenario where a biological man marries a biological woman who identifies as a man. Does the biology make this a heterosexual marriage irrespective of what the couple understand by it ? I intend this as a genuine question, not rhetorical, and am not sure what I think the answer is. How would you feel about attending such a ceremony ?
You know brother... My Grandmother had three children and two of them became gay. Both my aunts who went gay resented her for pointing the truth out to them. Her one daughter has passed but the other one is in the states and its been 16 years now. She has blocked her mother and anyone who tries to speak to her regarding this she also casts aside. I am hoping they reconcile before my grandma passes but she is filled with pride and arrogance.
I will pray for your aunty!
@@RevBrettMurphy Much appreciated Brother!
they did not become gay, they were born gay.
pray for the homophobics @@RevBrettMurphy
My suggestion is that everybody currently debating this topic who is in a stable, heterosexual marriage-ask themselves right after sex if they condone this behavior in anything other than the manner God created it. Case Closed.
God makes LGBT people also
In these extraordinary times we now live in, I suppose you could theoretically have a trans marriage between two members of the opposite biological sex - a male identifying as a woman marrying a female identifying as a man? While that might not be entirely easy to go along with from an orthodox Christian perspective, I suppose it might be arguable that it is in the final analysis a valid union - inasmuch as there would be two opposite biological sexes?!🤔
Your reasoning, Father Brett, is very sound. It may cause sour grapes in those who are getting same sex married, but the advice you give to keep loving those family members is about the best you can give. I have a problem with Father Begg's decision, even though he gave it in a well meaning fashion in that situation. He too will realize it in time. I'd hate to be a preacher in that moment. It would be a learning experience for a seasoned preacher, let alone a new one. He has to have a chat to God, his boss, to sort that out.
God sees our heart not our body. That makes the marriage between a man and a woman.
Why is everyone rushing to conform to this world, not God's world? In God's world a trans person is the person they say they are. Remember: this world lies.
Think of it this way: when you call someone, do you speak to their genitals or DNA? No. Depending on what's being said, you speak to their mind, their heart, or their soul. Well, the mind, heart and soul of trans people does not match the body this world created. Which world lies?
@@r-platt Conforming to the wrong world, that is for sure. And we are treated like pariahs for not conforming to it. Well, in that case, call me a pariah...lol...You hit the nail on the head.
@@brianmorris8045 you are calling for others to confirm to this world. You agree the body defines a person, not their soul.
How does that make you a pariah?
It's really disappointing and alarming. I think Dr. Sproul would be turning in his grave, so to speak.
Alistair Begg going off the Rails has been very Painful indeed, it came as a very nasty Shock!. For many years he has been one of the very best Pastors there is, a once Superb Teacher, so to see him go off the Rails like this, Hurt. The Church has come crashing down around my ears again basically.
Now, there is not even one shred of doubt, no, not one, in my mind that Alistair Begg is known fully to Christ, is in the Body of Christ, and is Eternally Saved by Christ Crucified and Risen, so God forbid anyone thinks I am calling him "unsaved" here, for I am not, he is Saved. Period.
Basically, Begg's teaching here, in that it tells someone to be Unequally Yoked with an Unbeliever in Direct Defiance of Second Corinthians Chapter 6, and to Damage their Witness by being seen to collude (by being present, se would be Colluding) with the Works of Darkness, and to support a False Marriage that makes an Unlawful and Blasphemous Mockery of God's Sacred Institution of Marriage (And it Pains me deeply to have to admit it is one I will never be blessed with, as I am Biblically Unqualified to Marry as I am not able to Provide for a wife Financially, and thus remain Single and Celibate!) which is clearly Stated by the 1646 Westminster Confession to be Purely for One Reformed Man and One Reformed Woman, for the Purpose of Lawful Procreation, and thus, in Mocking Marriage, Mocks God!, can at best, only be Described as Severe and Disqualifying Error, and at Worst, and some, such as Protestia, have Indeed used the H Word! as Heresy! It is that Erroneous.
Sadly, Tragically, as a Pastor has to be Blameless, as Per 1st Timothy and the Epistle to Titus, and Begg is now to be Blamed, for an Erroneous Teaching that has Defiled the Pulpit by telling someone to support a False Marriage, and thus False Worship in Utter Defiance of the 1647 Westminster Larger Catechism and of the Second Commandment, by being Present, it is my view that Begg has Disqualified himself from Ministry going Forward.
Now, this will seem Strict, but, bare in mind, were I a Pastor, and not just common Laity, and I committed an Error *this* Severe, I would expect to be Permanently Excommunicated and Shunned to the Uttermost forevermore on the Spot! I am being far more merciful on Alistair, given his many years of Wonderful Teaching and Honouring of the Thrice Holy God and the Written word of God in the Bible, than I would ever be upon Myself here!
As a Pastor has the Grave Task of Shepherding the Souls of His Flock in all Truth, Blamelessness and Verity in the Light of Christ, there is just no room for a Pastor to make an error *this* Severe and Continue to be a Pastor.
Ultimately, it is up to the Elders of his Church what is to be done, but Personally, I am of the View that he should be made to Publicly Retract that Statement, Publicly Repent of his Sin, then, once one of the Elders has given a Statement that Christians *cannot* attend False Weddings as to do so is to Engage in False Worship, he is to be thanked for his many Years of Good Service to the Church, before then being Defrocked!
It is my view he should be Defrocked of all Authority, as, again, his teaching here is so Erroneous that some have indeed called it Heresy, it is Severe and Disqualifying at best in My Opinion, especially given the Outrage it has caused in Reformed Christian Circles, which is leading to the Name of God being Blasphemed by Non Christian Circles, and he needs to be returned, Permanently, to common Laity, he needs to be Forbidden from even being a Lay Reader in Future and must be Restricted to Laity and placed under an Accountability Partner for the rest of his Days. I also feel he needs to be Placed in a Period of Probation where, while he can still attend the Church, the Table of the Lord's Supper is to be Temporarily fenced off to him.
That is just how Severe an Error this is, I genuinely think, although, as only mere common Laity, and one of Feeble Mind and Slow Wit, I fully accept I could be terribly Wrong, that it Eternally Disqualifies him from Ministry going forward.
God's Blessing, Love, Grace and Peace upon You all.
Sounds to me that you have been idolising Alistair Begg and others. If some-one like him making a mistake ( as everyone who is human will from time to time) brings "the church crashing down around my ears, again" then you clearly also have a naively optimistic and unrealistic view of the church. Hold to Christ and His teaching and that of the Apostles, test everyone else's teaching against scripture, as Rev Brett says, because even the best will get it wrong sometimes. And, as the old Christian joke goes, if you ever find a perfect Church for their sake don't join it. Think about it, kindly meant!
@@paulcharlwood702 John Calvin did warn us that "the Human heart is a Perpetual Idol Factory" in the Institutes, so I accept that my have unconsciously been Idolising their Teachings, and of that I must Repent.
This is more than a Mistake however, getting the Names of the Apostles Mixed up is a Mistake, asking someone to Defy God is a disqualifying Error, for it has lead to him being Blamed for Heresy in some Circles, such as on Protestia.
"The Church Crashing Down" is my way of saying "everything I knew just collapsed" Yes, I am a Bit Naïve, I accept that, I am Feeble Minded, I am Slow Witted, and I am Developmentally Delayed, this leaves me Naïve (it also renders me, tragically, Unacceptable to some Denominations even within the One, True, Reformed, Protestant, Church) , but not Optimistic, I do well and truly Believe that we are in the Great Falling Away that was Prophesied by Paul in 2nd Thessalonians, I just never thought Begg would fall into such Severe Error! Although, given the Role he played in that Golf Movie, it now appears that, to go back to the "Church Crashing down" Allegory, the Cracks have possibly been appearing in the Belfry for some time...
Please be aware that, like many here, I am Ex Mainstream Church of England, I am still very Hurt at the Total Apostasy of the General Synod, which has lead to me Fleeing from the Church in Genuine Fear of the Wrath of God! that is why I often refer to it, without Joking, as the "Cult of England" , as I do now view them as a Non-Reformed, Non-Christian, Apostate and Ichabod Cult. As a Result, when a Once Superb Teacher falls so badly, it Really Hurts as it reminds me of the Fall of Canterbury, and it does mean I can over-React, again, often from actual and genuine Fear of the Wrath of God. A Tendency to go "Blood, Thunder, Hell, Fire and Brimstone" over the Slightest thing is a Fault I suffer with and I do need Help with it, I openly admit that.
Fear Not, I am very much Sola Scriptura, Scripture First, and I test Everything against not only the Scripture, but also the 1646 Westminster Confession, and Several Reformed Catechisms as Well! Christ, Apostles, Rest of Scripture, Confession, Catechisms, the whole Counsel of God.
True, even the best go Wrong, even John MacArthur has Dropped some absolute Big Ben Sized Clangers here and there over the Years, and there is a very Hotly Disputed Question on if his Error regarding the MOTB is Disqualifying, Even Spurgeon got it Wrong Occasionally as well! ... but... this is a bit worse than Wrong, this, Filtered through the 1646 Westminster Confession and the 1647 Westminster Larger Catechism, is Disqualifying, for it is asking someone to Defy God :(
Indeed, If I ever find the Perfect Church, I would stay far away, as I would utterly Ruin it, I have far too much Sin and Baggage to ever attend!
I thank you for the Loving Rebuke, it has exposed a Subconscious Error that I was not aware of, and was thus Needed.
God's Blessings, Grace, Love and Peace unto you, and thank you for snapping me to my senses a Little,
I think you are being too harsh. I do not agree with the advice he gave - but we need to hear from him and hopefully he will admit his error and recant/ apologise for it and then it is up to us to accept and forgive we all make mistakes. He has preached faith and biblically for years and has spoken out strongly against gay relationships many times. So I do not think he has “ gone off the rails” as you put it.
@@mikekayanderson408 That is Fair Enough, I openly admit I am harsh to a Fault and tend to over-react, it is a Fault I share with A.W. Pink and It is one I need a Lot of Help with.
Indeed, he really does need to Repent and recant and Apologise for an Error that bad, as stated, some within Reformed Church Circles have gone as far as calling it Heresy, so it is an extremely bad error that needs to be Recanted
I think making an Error such as this after 50 Years of sound and superb Biblical Teaching is what has made it such a Shock! it feels like the roof has fallen in!
I just hope, indeed, that he has not gone off the Rails, and I am just over-Reacting, again.
God's Blessings, Love, Grace and Peace.
@@mikekayanderson408 Extra Note: For some reason my comments, although in CZcams Data, are not appearing, Either they are being withheld for Assessment ad they are Lengthy, or I am being Shadow Banned by Google for some reason. My Response should be in your Gmail.
Love and Peace.
It's a diabolical trap. No matter how you respond. If you go it will compromise you as a Christian and you are ultimately harming them. If you don't, it will be twisted, misinterpreted and used against you. I think ultimately the latter is preferable. People wilfully misinterpreted and lied about Jesus, so why should we expect anything else?
The fact is, you can't change sex; you can mutilate your body to look like what you wish you were. Whatever happened to the principle that you shouldn't give plastic surgery unless you have eliminated all psychological factors? The Tavistock clinic, which was notorious for operating on children, has stopped doing so because they were no longer convinced it was effective. I'm all in favour of the psychological help such people so much need. Sadly, the Catholic Church is in as much of a muddle over these issues (look up James Martin SJ, who recently published a photo of his beaming smile when 'marrying' two blokes; worse, he's in favour at the Vatican!)
Just come across an article and I've got it wrong. James M was blessing the couple, not 'marrying' them. But how likely is Joe or Jane Public to realize what's happening. Officially, the Vatican says it must not have the appearance of a wedding but .....
*Why do you attack our support and not our problems?*
- Gender dysphoria is very real and very deadly. It's also very difficult to understand.
- Only 0.4% (1 in 250) of treated patients have serious regret.
- Trans people are required to have 2 therapists confirm gender dysphoria before any surgery happens.
- Tavistock was shutdown because they had 8,000 children and only 2 doctors and a handful of nurses. They were so overloaded mistakes were being made.
*Why do you want us conforming to this world?*
The closet is a cold, dark, lonely, terrifying and extremely painful place to live. Please don't make that our home.
*What do we do when psychiatric care is not enough?*
That's the case for about 1,000,000 Americans.
and yet many trans have changed gender.
whether we agree or disagree is not what I’m commenting on. Here we are on CZcams, who promotes and finances, and lobbies for the very things that has caused the outrage. So we wouldn’t go to the wedding of a family member who lives in sin, but we will be on CZcams, who promotes in the very sin that many say is a line too far to cross and going to someone’s wedding. My comment is selective hypocrisy that’s what this is I understand righteousness and holiness. In the word of God that’s not what I’m addressing when I am addressing it is the clear blatant hypocrisy of everyone on CZcams and Facebook the Christian ministers and believers that are bashing Alastair while being on the very platforms that promote in lobby and finance the very things you say that you would engaging. Selective hypocrisy at best.
By your interpretation of the laws doesn't EVERYONE live in sin?
The trans woman is a woman in mind, heart and soul. That's why she has to change her body. This world lies after all. The soul cannot lie.
God knows the body but he sees and judges the heart. So the marriage IS between a man and woman before God, right?
Just PLEASE consider that most preachers, pastors, and politicians know as much about trans people as you do. As a result they focus on the wrong problems and judge where healing is needed. You cannot imagine the pain and terror many of us feel right now. Do nothing and dysphoria will eventually shatter the mind. Then the soul slowly dissolves into chaos. Hell is a vacation resort.
Yet Christians and conservatives are telling us to stay in the closet. Fixing our dysphoria is wrong because it requires changing the body. There is no other option.
Closets are dark, cold, lonely, terrifying, and painful places to live. There is no love when you're stuck in a closet. You hate yourself because there's nobody else inside the closet to blame. Your world slowly contracts as you are pulled into yourself.
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Where does God's word say to use laws to do harm to people?
You are saying trans people should stay in the closet where it's cold, dark, lonely and endlessly terrifying.
You say we should conform to our body - to THIS world; not to the mind, heart and soul God gave us.
How is that God's desire?
If Begg is afraid of appearing judgemental then I assume he has abandoned absolute morality and, therefore, God. We have to judge others objectively. We do it every day. We cannot condone sinful, wrong, unnatural behaviour. If the perpetrators do not like being judged then, well, tough! We are not going to appease them.
I am totally shocked at Beggs response. Taking the first slip on the slope. Yes there is hope in Christ for gay, trans persons.
Dont be shocked. Alistair was wise in his counsel. 1 Corinthians 5:9-12. We are still called to bring the Gospel to those trapped on darkness.
@@angelosophyagain, you are wrong. Your text proves it!
@@tracycroll4325 Wait did you just say that i was wrong to say that we are called to bring the Gospel to those trapped in darkness? Because you didnt specify how i was wrong. So, just to be clear, you dont think that people who attend LGBT weddings are worthy of hearing the Gospel and being given the opportunity to repent?
@@tracycroll4325 Are we reading the same Bible? *Or did you just stop reading after verse 9?*
@@tracycroll4325 Can you at least read verse 10 before you erroneously type your next reply? “Your text proves it.” *HOW?* You dont just get to say “actually you’re understanding that wrong,” and then move on and pretend like you just won something. If you can correct me, *then correct me with your reasoning and understanding.* Otherwise, your claims are hollow and worthless.
Begg has chosen to place the relationship over biblical truth so that the Christian grandmother would not risk being called judgmental. I am dumbfounded. That he doubled down on his position eliminates the possibility that he misspoke. He is so influential. His word is gold in the Christian evangelical world. He has so much responsibility and he has failed miserably. We can only pray that he will repent publicly. His church is the world so his confession needs to be to the world after confessing to God. Until then, he is a brother who preaches heresy and should be treated as such. We are all but flesh. This reminds me that we are never, ever to place our faith in a human being. Pastors have enormous responsibility.
Where does God's word say to use laws to do harm to people?
You are saying trans people should stay in the closet where it's cold, dark, lonely and endlessly terrifying.
You say we should conform to our body - to THIS world; not to the mind, heart and soul God gave us.
How is that God's desire?
Huh? This makes no sense and relates in no way to what I said.@@r-platt
I am quite strict on these issues but I read What is so Amazing about Grace by Yancey & try to be a grace giver.
Grace and truth
Yes, of course! I know it is heartbreaking but I heard the interview about his book , The Christian Manifesto & as he was talking about the beatitudes which is completely counterculture this came up. I knew most people who are looking for this would point a finger. Begg’s teachings are so filled with grace & truth & he was hesitant to give this example, & I will give him grace. I don’t want to be a Pharisee in condemning a humble servant of the Lord. If I point a finger at someone I know 9 more are pointing back at me. I want to love Jesus like Begg does!
I won’t go to any of those weddings
And nobody can or will ever force you... except possibly your spouse or parents.
Do you believe ALL Christians go to heaven? If so, that would mean it's only where ALL variations on Christ's teachings overlap that matters.
And that is a short list:
1. Be sorry for the hurt you've caused others and believe Jesus is your God and Master.
2. Love others.
Repentance happens 1 time. That gets us into heaven. Love is what keeps us in heaven.
This is key: TRUTH IS NOT LOVE.
Truth can be spoken with love or harm.
Truth can be objective or subjective.
Love is always subjective and does no harm.
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1 Corinthians 5:9-12. Why does nobody seem the remember this passage? ALISTAIR WAS CORRECT.
What Paul means is, believers should not be associated with sexually immoral believers. And we cannot avoid associating with people of this world. This 'associate' means work together, having socials together. However, same sex wedding is an assault to God's teaching. God told us that marriage is between a man and a woman. Why do those non-believers force their way to have their wedding ceremonies (even in a church)? Don't they assault Christianity in the first place and force Christians to bend?
Also read 1Chorintians 10:31 "So, whether you eat or drunk, or WHATEVER YOU DO, DO ALL TO THE GLORY OF GOD." Would consenting a same sex marriage, against His teaching glorify God?
Afraid you are very deceived and misinterpreting that passage, angelosophy.
@@virginiatushman3240 No, but attending and affirming are not the same thing. You’ve just been told by people you watch on various screens. Yes, whatever you do, do to the glory of God. Including attending gay weddings. There you can spread the Gospel and hopefully bring many lost sheep home to Christ and away from the darkness theyre trapped in.
Is this a big mistake by Mr Begg or has he sold out ? I hope it’s the former.
So many Christians srumble hard because of this cross affecting a member of their family
if only homophobics would carry their cross
Family Radio took him off the air! He should be off the air!
homophobics should
We are in the world, but we are not to be of this world
So the body is the LAST thing to define us as people. We are defined by our mind, heart and soul.
God sees the heart, not the body. That makes the marriage between a man and woman.
homophobia is of the world though
Nothing less than the end times...
Colossians 3 come to mind
Living as Those Made Alive in Christ
1Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your a life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
5Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. b 7You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
12Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
from grandma situation, to pastor Begg response, and how we respond to it. please bear this in mind. I believe God is sovereign in all things, even through honest mistakes we made, and we make many of them daily. God will work all these things for good for those who love Him
This is hard because there are many examples of unbiblical unions most people would have no qualms about going to the wedding: two people divorced not on biblical grounds, someone of faith marrying someone who does not believe or marrying someone in a religion that is false. I took his advice as personal and specific to that elderly lady, not as a universal recommendation for all believers. He was clear the grandma made her position clear and her grandson was aware of how she felt. Would her witness to him be stronger by her absence or by her appearance? Tough in a lot of cases. One of my late wife’s best friends was a lesbian getting married. We were the only kind Christians she knew. She wanted me to read at her wedding, but I explained I couldn’t be in the wedding party or ceremony but I would attend. We were close enough that my decision was respected. Maybe for another person it would have ended friendship or I wouldn’t have attended all together. This is a tough question that each Christian and pastor will have to work out with fear and trembling
Yes, Christian’s are called to be the light of the world and to not lose our salt (what makes us the light of- the Holy Spirit). We are not called to “bridge” any relationship with sinners who reject Christ and His work on the cross.
Christians will be persecuted, Revelation is being played out and there will be strong delusion and many will be apostate - apostate can never return to Christ.
We have to count the cost of following Jesus Christ and love HIM more than life itself (for we are called to deny self etc).
What is love? The world determines love is to be accepting - we cannot accept sinners ways. We preach Truth which frees them from the second death IF they are humble and receive the seed of truth. We have to walk in Truth and in the righteous Spirit of God, and. It seek to please man.
Marig is between one man and one woman and nothing else is exseptbul
Look at this from God's point of view. Yes He loves them but what they are doing is hostility to God, destructive to ones He loves, deceiving others and worse, it is blasphemy if it is with the 'blessing of Jesus'.
I suppose it all depends on the gift....2 single beds and a bible, and a welcome to your new house share card.
Jesus ❤is our first LOVE❤ THE DEVIL ALWAYS TWISTED GOD WORD TO LET PEOPLE BELIEVE A LIE THE DEVIL COME TO STEEL KILL AND TO DESTROY, BUT JESUS ❤CAME TO GIVE US LIFE AND LIFE MORE ABONDANTLY DONT BELIEVE A LIE BECAUSE ALL LIERS WILL HAVE THY PATT IN HELL FIRE , SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE ADDED UNTO YOU, 🙏
This is a difficult area. Years ago my wife was delivering Bibles to a prison and met a very dignified lady in the waiting room. She was going to visit her son who was a convicted prisoner. That doesn’t mean that she approved the crime or disapproved of the sentence. Similarly, before I became a Christian, Jesus visited me and brought me out of darkness and into his marvellous light. Even though I still sin, He still visits me and gives me His in dwelling Holy Spirit. It does not mean that He approves of my sin.
I hope that is a contribution to the debate. Blessings from South Yorkshire.
A measured thought.
Bless you.
I have been to marriages that were held in churches for people who were not Christian at all, and felt uncomfortable during them.
But I was loving, doing my best to be an ambassador not just to those that married, but to the other guests. Is it any different I wonder?
I was the most miserable and reprehensible of sinners, yet saw fit to forgive and include me, while I was covered in that sin.
Then He was patient to see me through the washing process.
Gosh this is a tough circumstance, but to those who denounce Alistair for his comment, are they telling us they are perfect?
Yes, very measured. I do not think these decisions are as straightforward as many viewers seem to think. I mean Jesus doesn't approve of drunkenness or greed or sex outside of marriage but he still hung out with tax collectors, publicans and prostitutes. Sometimes it is difficult to find the right path. Sad😢
This is an apples and oranges false equivalency. You cannot compare the two.
Thank you for pointing this out. I think that Brett is probably right. All I am saying is that Alistair Begg was trying to deal with a difficult situation that many are facing today.@@tracycroll4325
This is not the same type of situation at all.
The gospel coalition is going woke? What makes you say that?
Dear brother, I have been following your vlogs for around a year now and support your principled step away from the C of E and your efforts to take the bold risk of planting a new church. I was saddened to hear how Calvin was treated - and more to the point, the scriptures were treated. I am saddened that another Aussie has allegedly dealt badly with that situation in a public way.
However in this video I think you've overstepped the mark in several respects, and you've almost misused your platform. Let me lay out my meaning briefly.
1. Listening to Begg, a veteran in the scriptures, he is inherently humble and wise (and reflects the truth of James 3:17). But you have boldly condemned this good brother quite stridently and without a great deal of humility and shallow information and what appears to be slight analysis. Do you see how he offers his advice to this woman quite tentatively and acknowledges that others might disagree and that each must make up his or her own mind and form his own conviction. Grace and humility is expressed. But you have judged and condemned your vastly more studied and experienced brother quickly and moralistically.
2. Begg is very careful to nuance his advice before he offers his suggestions to this woman (and he does that as suggestions, not law). But in this video, you don't seem to have even recognised at all the careful way he does that before giving his advice, or sought to understand or reflect on why or what perhaps are the implications of the nuance he explains. You're on your high horse. Could he perhaps have reflected more deeply on the nature of the circumstance and the freedoms that are available to God's people in the scriptures? He is in no way advocating LGBTQi causes, either in this situation or in any of this history to my knowledge. Why do you so quickly assume he has changed colours. Was there any pause to give him the benefit of the doubt, given his enormous track record and credentials?
3. You don't appear to have appreciated the subtleties of the fact that it is not a Christian wedding here or purporting to be so. That changes things greatly. These are unbelievers living unbelieving lives. Who are we to judge outsiders by our words or acts of judgment? Should we not rather judge only those who are within the Christian community? (1 Cor 5:12). They are not pretending to be Christian. If they were it would be a completely different story and your own advice would then come into play, I think.
4. Have you considered the actions of Jesus in Matt 9:10-17 (and so Mark 2:15ff and Luke 5:29ff)? Was Jesus affirming that unbelieving immoral community by eating with them?. The Pharisees etc certainly felt he was, but he gives a very different response. He has other priorities in play. Reflect on v12.
5. Alistair is a wonderfully faithful brother with a long track record of faithfulness and a high and well deserved reputation. But with what appears to be just a shallow analysis, and assuming the worst of him rather than asking closer questions as to what is going on in his thinking (have you reached out to him about it all?), you have publicly condemned him and some of your own audience who hold you in high regard will now see him as badly tainted and suspect him land discourage others about him. You've injured, as a young minister with far less experience and, dare I say, less insight, the reputation of one of the greats of our current age. Is this slander?
6. Finally, I urge you to meditate carefully on Matt 7:1-5. Where would a deep conviction of the truth of God's word here on Jesus' lips lead us in our relationships with one another? How would we deal with one another if we really believed this to be true? Marry that with Matt 18:21ff and remember that one day you and each one of us will be thoroughly exposed.
The wisdom that comes from heaven is described in more detail in James 3:17-18. The wisdom of the world is earthly, unspiritual and demonic and is driven by other motives - James 3:14-16.
Brother, with power (your platform and audience) comes great responsibility! We who teach will be judged more strictly. James 3:1. So I urge you to greater care and humility. Soap boxes win worldly minded people easily, but do not in any way serve the kingdom of God. Better to teach your audience to think carefully, humbly and deeply about the scriptures.
More can be said. But I speak boldly and strongly as one Anglican pastor to another - and one Aussie to another. I speak this way because it seems to be commensurate with the boldness and public nature of your own assertions against this good brother.
I mean you no ill. I hope you get a sausage sandwich and a laminton on Australia Day.
Carefully giving bad advice does not make it good advice. Giving tacit approval to a homosexual wedding by attending it is not godly and is not speaking the truth in love.. Period. Never mind all your nuances and subtleties.
praise Jesus for same sex marriages
Leviticus chapter 20, verse 13 reads: “If a man has intercourse with a man as with a woman, both commit an abomination. They must be put to death.”
The God of the Bible HATES so called homosexual or trans "weddings/unions/relationships"! Those who practice these SINFUL and WICKED things will NEVER enter heaven.
Hi brother, are you basing your disagreement on that one verse? I think that weakens your position. Also the 'just cause' point is also a weak one because the 'just cause' is surely the same as the 'legal impediment' ie are they legally able to marry [not a close relative; not under age; not already married]. It isn't for anyone to get up and say they disagree with the marriage because of their own personal views. You could get anyone standing up and saying 'I don't think they are suitable' or any other reason. Should the marriage ceremony stop because of that? The granny has told the grandson she doesn't believe the marriage is a marriage, so by going she isn't showing approval, she is going for another reason, she loves her grandson. I have to say it is not an easy one to decide and my heart goes out to those who have been put in a similar situation.
Begg is just another boilerplate celeb pastor jumping on the bandwagon.
I am disappointed, but not surprised. Christianity has been going downhill for a long time. I guess that is why God had to send Mohammud.
Transgender people are nothing whatever to do with homosexual people. Homosexuality is a natural human 'sexuality'. It defines the sexual preference to which one is erotically attracted. Likewise with 'heterosexuality': and both terms, incidentally, were unknown to scriptural authoprs; deriving from the 19th-Century. To which 'sexuality' is a transgender person attracted? Transgenderism is not a 'sexuality'. For homosexual people, the best thing to do is to eschew the 'offerings' of the Church; and simply register a Civil Partnership. After forty years of sharing life together, my atheist partner and I did this last April, in the presence of just two friends as witnesses (not fuss!) and with us aged 71 and 77. For me, I asked God's blessing: because, fortunately, blessings exist because God exists: not because 'priests' do. This means that I - a homosexual Christian - attended a "gay wedding".
There is *no such thing* as a Homosexual Christian! Christian Ex (non-Active) Homosexuals like Brother Beckett Cook, yes, but Not Christian Homosexuals (Active)! That goes utterly against Scripture!
The Apostle Paul is Clear as the Grave, those who are Effeminate and those who abuse themselves with mankind (Greek-Arsenokotai- Translation- Man Bed- Translation- Homosexuality) will in *no Wise* enter the Kingdom of Heaven unless they Repent! 1st Corinthians Chapter 6. You are Living in Sin!
Repent, believe the Gospel, be Saved, Separate and become Single and Celibate, as did Brother Beckett Cook!
Ok, I kind of understand the differentiation you are trying to make but I do not agree with it.
However, at the end of the day we will all have to answer to God for the decisions we have made contrary to His clearly expressed will. Christians will have had the punishment for those sinful decisions carried by Christ. But that does not mean we 'should sin the more that grace may abound' Paul to the Romans. Ask yourself whether God would be pleased with all that you have done with your life. Even better, ask God Himself
Jesus Christ disagrees with you. He created everyone heterosexual. You have to choose to be perverted, and Christ says that homosexuality is perversion, not an "orientation", and that those who engage in it will not inherit the Kingdom of God. God will "eschew" all in the lgbtq+ community into hell.
Sorry. Anyone who claims to be a Christian should be putting off sin not deliberately living and walking in it. God says gay relationships are sin - so I have to question your claim to be a Christian. How can anyone claiming to be a Christian deliberately ignore the Word of God ? The word of God is very clear about sexual sin - whether it be adultery, fornication or same sex relationships.
This is not today one can’t find forgiveness from God - but to receive forgiveness one has to confess the sin and repent of it - that means turning away from it - not deliberately continuing to live. It.
Jesus Christ disagrees with you. He created everyone heterosexual. One must choose to be homosexual, and Christ says that homosexuality is unnatural, perverted, and an abomination in His sight. He also says that those who engage in it will not inherit the Kingdom of God. That includes the entire lgbtq+ community. You might "eschew" the church, but Christ will eschew all those who engage in lgbtq+ abominations into the lake of fire.