Iran's Loophole to Seize US Navy Vessels
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- 0:00 Iran's loophole to steal US Navy vessels
1:06 Iran and China's history with seizing US drones
2:19 Was Iran's seizure of the US SailDrone legal?
3:07 How USVs violate international law
4:58 Why USVs are important to the US Navy
6:27 What are the advantage of using USVs over manned vessels?
7:28 How USVs upright themselves (they don't sink)
8:09 Using USVs as arsenal ships
8:54 What is the Ghost Fleet Overlord?
10:36 How can the US Navy reconcile USV operation with ColRegs? (international maritime law)
But why the operation of unmanned ships in blue waters falls into a legal gray area, what the US navy intends to use naval drones for while preventing bad actors from meddling with their operations, and how aerial drones could pave the way for the adoption of naval drones by the international community, is #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
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There is a US loophole that allows them to shoot holes in Iranian ships.
That aint a loophole. That's just usa playing in creative mode 😂
Whataboutism☕
its almost like the US is a Minecraft server admin
@@faizalbarkah2617The correct word is sarcasm.
@faizalbarkah2617
You are like the man trying to start a wave at a baseball game, but no one stands up because there's noone else in the stadium.
I doubt im the first one to saw this but if someone starts seizing enough us ships
Things will get INCREDIBLY proportional
Overwhelmingly proportional
Don't fuck with the boats.
@@nocturnalverse5739 like USS Liberty?
Fat electrician strikes again!❤️🤣
Don't forget the uss pueblo.
Just a quick clarification: the EU hasn't actually banned drones in the vicinity of airports. Rather, they require special approval for operating in these areas. This policy exists because there are scenarios where experimental drones, needing access to the same resources as manned aircraft-such as radio navigation and communication with airport towers-must be tested in these environments.
And idiots flying drones over airports is a recipe for a civil aviation disaster.
USA: Hey Iran, remember when we told our Navy to give you a "proportional response"? How did that turn out again?
What happened in Afghanistan? How is Operation prosperity guardian going? Can’t even defeat the Houthis.
@@ahrlj24houthis are dogshit, an annoying tick at most
Shouldn't you be trying to pressure your cousin into your uncle's van?
Don't worry, China has all United States ports. Yes on the land of United States. I don't know what's wrong with you guys
@valvbl9022 That can't be true. Surely the federal government has laws against that
Next up: how to turn a legal loophole into an actual hole in your ship.
😂😂
It has been said for decades . Display weakness and you embolden your enemies .
EXACTLY
Maybe US is just weak, period? Not just displaying it.
Tell that to Ukrainians from start of invasion . Nothing was "said" except the sound kaboom 💥 , look who's talking now .
The US is the king of displaying false weakness to bait an enemy into position...
FJB, is that the proper answer?
We are entering an era more like the norm where there is no right/law but power. The last 70 years was a unusual time.
US abused its power in last 70 years but because they live in bubble, they never felt like it was lawlessness
Today when others do it, its all about power and abuse somehow
Right-might is as old as civilization.
There was no law, it was a world with only weak countries vs US global police.
@@brodriguez11000 Some would argue its older.
Entering? We've always been there.
Ahh yes .. that time when Iran wanted to find out what a *_"PROPORTIONAL"_* response from the U.S.A. looks like .. _again._
Why should responses be proportional anyway? Fuck around and find out is my motto.
I really like the idea of having a sort of medium/small sized mother ship with a small crew watching over a bunch of smaller drone ships. That way if somebody comes to steal your drones you have them all retreat to the mothership or in a time a war the mother ships give the green light and the drones open fire upon the targets. That way you could have a fleet with a ton of fire power like a traditional fleet but a tiny crew. They could also easily rescue and repair the drones when the break down.
wont they target the mothership then?
@@an2939 yeah, those would probably be thier first choice when launching an attack, but also that central ship will be the most heavily defended because what if each small ship had a cwis and if they are all networked together than its probably gonna be pretty difficult to take out, or atleast it'll cost a lot to destroy a relatively cheap group. The point would be to be invincible but cheap and mass produced.
@an2939 also I'm just I'm high school and I don't know a whole lot about how all of that would work
@@dabdillon6318 this actually makes allot of sense.
@@michaelstrom2691 thanks
Smells like Iran wants to know what all these "special military operations" are all about
We knew it already 🇷🇺🇨🇳🇰🇵🇮🇷
About to see a operation praying mantis all over again, hopefully its a little more "Proportional" this time.
@@Minus2Maxthis is not 1979 b**ch and Iran is not weak either try this time your fleets will reduce drastically 😏💀
@@Dariush_Iranban I love it when weak haters come to youtube. Thanks for signing up to our American corporations terms of service proving our superiority. You don't see people going to a Russian, Chinese, DPRK, or Irunian website for a reason. People don't like your way of doing things it's gross.
I hope one day you all learn what a government of the people is about, while our system is very flawed compared to the shit hole you call home it's paradise.
@@Minus2MaxDid that operation stop them? If brute force doesn't work, do you just use more of it?
The ability to jam remote control signals will force artificial intelligence into the role of deciding immediate navigation, collision avoidance, and which targets to destroy.
Imagine being adrift at sea for days/weeks and finally a ship approaches but no one ever comes to the rail and you can't find anyone even after climbing aboard so you just fend for yourself as bet as you can while the ship sails itself towards what you hope/assume is the nearest port or friendly vessel...
At that point are you a stowaway a pirate or a legitimate passenger? The mind boggles.
@@AabergmI mean if you have no bad intentions and the finders don’t find any damage or funny re wiring onboard they’ll probably just question you and send you your way ig
@@Aabergm ...maybe even just _"flotsam"_ or "marine salvage".
@@AabergmScallywag
Would hope the ship would follow the law and lower the ladder and give food and water.
good video as always(also i didn't finish the video yet x)
12:48 I have that Logitech *off the shelf* game joystick !
thats fking funny, military grade equipment right there.
@@edvin_hook which, let us not forget, means cheap and mass produced. And consequently is almost always less performant than high-end civilian gear, unless it is has a special security requirement of sorts.
@@HurBenny probably still costs like 5x the civilian version
@@Dagger920 I remember around a decade or two back when the US army ended up using stock xbox controllers made by Microsoft and bought commercially as a replacement for the purpose built controller they were using (it was some robot used for engineering or bomb disposal or something like that).
The purpose built one was apparently crap in comparison. The fact that it was the gamepad that shipped with the system meant that Microsoft had to develop something that they could mass produce in the millions, be decently reliable and be a good general purpose layout, without breaking the bank (the xbox was and still is a loss leader in and of itself, so I have a feeling that stuff like general purpose controllers were reined in). Not the military or a contractor. It was all done. All that they needed to do was wire it into the system (and presumably some time getting the software to work with them).
This isn't top shelf/top tier kit. Though nor is it bottom of the barrel either. It is cheap. It is mass produced. It worked. It is already tested and in production. It is actually a nice little microcosm of capitalism.
addendum: those flight sticks in particular, again not top of the line for flight sticks (my god that market is insane when you start talking about quality). But you are still talking around $100 or more.
addendum 2: never cheap out on joysticks or throttles. The difference in quality between a $70-$100 HOTAS and $150-$250 HOTAS is vast. Yet people who go all in on the flight kit will probably spend $250 on the platform they mount their stick to. Nevermind the actual controllers.
@@HurBenny You know, sometimes that special requirement, requires older and less proficient hardware. In a manner of speaking. My favorite example has always been the DF-224 processor that the Hubble Telescope first launched with (was later replaced). Above all else, it needed to be robust and redundant. Quite apt given its operating environment. But in terms of computation ability and physical size, it was garbage in comparison to the stuff being used on the ground. Hubble finally got a 486 in 1999 (yes, a nice shiny new 486, in 1999, service mission 3a, 2nd spacewalk). It was a 25mhz cpu. It was 20 times faster than the original... do the math and laugh... that original processor had a clock of 1.25mhz.)
wait a minute 7 minutes ago?? love your videos dude
Just put a plaque on it saying, "This drone is fitted with an anti-tamper device" in several languages, it doesn't have to be an explosive device, a layer of thermite around security sensitive items would probably do the trick.
Theory or not. The USN better protect all of their assets!
About the signal jamming issue ? It will never dissapear as long as an operatir needs to press a button to opearte an onboard weapon, which is the US Navy current policy. Without reliable signal communications, a usv won't be able to operate weapons, and will stay stuck at the role of passive defense or acting as a decoy. A sitting duck in a sense
Agreed, which is why we mentioned “autonomous” drones might solve that problem.
Licensed Charter captain here, currently working on my master class, I think one of the reasons the "person on watch" and having a manned vessel is so important, is I don't care what redundancy you have build into that vessel nothing can save it from ocean better than a human, in terms of stopping sinking, you are liable for all of the damages if a vessel sinks. I also think it would become way to disposable as well, think about it oh no our RC boat got crushed 1000M off shore, we better get out there and clean it up.
Clean up so the enemy doesn't get all our secrets.
@brodriguez11000 what secrets, Most of the stuff gets ruined when it gets wet anyway.
Maritime Collision Regulations are decades out-of date and need to be updated. Fifty years ago when drafted they obviously didn't take into account the eventuality of unmanned AI and remote controlled sea-going drones or crafts.
For safety purposes the prerequisite is the vessel must have onboard collision avoidance, gps and auto navigation tech so that it doesn't present a threat to other vessels.
This assumes the surface drone's purpose is not hostile like those used by the Iran backed houthi terrorist group.
The problem is how do ships determine if a drone is hostile - and what protection does it have from remote hacking etc. And does it have active gps and collision avoidance. Complex issues - complex times.
About thirty years ago, the US Navy taught the Iranian Navy what FAFO means. They are free to try again.
8 in 88
Interesting analysis. COLREGS never anticipated these vehicles. Another new world! Adding AI to them will make it even more challenging.
Drug subs would be an obvious candidate.
Fellas don’t ever make a Wheatley ai and stick it into a drone boat
But do warships have to adhere to colregs
Yes except in battle. Of course the laws of gross tonnage does come into play!@@robertmoody5139
We are seeing a massive shift in warfare when it comes to drones and their employment and defense from drones.
This calls for a self destruct capability... Prevent reverse engineering and bring value before losing the asset...
Hey that's a cool drone, let's steak it.
* *on the boat* *
*Beep beep*
Why is it be- KABOOM!
USA befor: dont touch my fuking boats.
USA now: dont touch any of my naval thing above or below the water.
God damn right.
Is that why boats have a female name?
@@brodriguez11000 what? US navy vessels dont have female names..
people who name vessels after women are asking for trouble
for on thing you want them to obey and be reliable under stress..
@sandboxx We gonna see a SeaPower on this at sometime?
Fascinating!!
Nice Video
Great video format as always, please cover other topics besides military!
I heard you mentioned the T-8 and T-12, but what about the T-800 and T-1000?...all fun and jokes aside. I enjoyed your video... Thanks you.
I am not a native english speaker and when you said "seamenship" I was thinking to myself "What on earth is a semen ship?" for a solid 30 seconds until I realized what you actually meant LMAO
US: Laughs in *Preying Mantis*
DON'T TOUCH OUR BOATS!
Immature
@@AbsoluteTruth-vm1zb you seem really mature yourself. Super mature. The MOST mature. Every meaning of the word mature.
Not us
Our Missiles Will Touch
Ya know there is always option C. Just arbitrarily decided that COLREGS don’t apply to military vehicle due to (pick your reason). While it might differ from conventional thinking there is the counter argument of my guns are bigger what do you plan to do about it.
It wouldn’t be the first time in history something like that happened and it won’t be the last.
We already do, in particular situations.
Where I generally support the use of drones anyway, the Overload fleet are particularly great. Like towing a supply barge (regardless of what the "supplies" are), but safer. For now, they still remain relatively close to the flotilla, while not restricting vessel maneuvering. 👍
I suppose the only casualities in future combat zones will be the unmanned assets and infrastructure. The most obvious other would those poor/not important enough to have a bunker to hide in. Three cheers for technology 🎉
the rise of the machines
hell , even if a constant connection could be established, just do some braodband jamming, and suddenly the drone isnt maintaining a constant watch, and thus must be removed :p
In general, I am not a fan of naval drones. I say that as a Navy veteran myself. I do understand the large potential they represent and offer to the Navy though. During a time of war, I'd say damn the rules, you do what you got to do to win. But, during times of peace, all naval drones should be manned for safety reasons. If the Navy needs to remove personnel for testing, then they can do it our own waters. All such vessels, while unmanned, should also be closely monitored as well. Again, for safety reasons during times of peace.
they should use it to build more logistics ships with one main ship so you can have one ship with weapons and one with fuel so the ships can be smaller and be multiple targets instead of just one big one thats easier to hit. thoughts
Men onboard a usv ? We have the same issue in France, because of maritime regulationd mandating a lookout onboard, everytime we try a usv, there is a saioor onboard with something to rat while doing lookout
Great informative! Thanks indeed
They have precedent for operating USVs completely unmanned. furgro is operating USVs inspecting oil rigs and sup sea structures using Sea-kit built boats they are controlled from a office in Aberdeen UK. the vessels are flagged by the UK MCA and have a constant lookout with a chief mate and a captain manning the cameras and equipment remotely so they are COLREG compliant
It will self destruct just in time after achieving proximity. Consequences?
Go ahead….make my day.
How many times manned pln vessels clash with ph coast guard vessels going to supply their people on their own territory as confirmed by international courts
I think we should consider the autonomous defense system loopholes.
The Starlink system should render the continuous part irrelevant.
unless Elon shuts it on the whim.
@@Frankon81Even Elon isn't stupid enough to mess with the US military industrial complex.
@@Frankon81He would get Kennedy'd in less than 24 hours
@@Frankon81SpaceX is currently developing a military version of Starlink called Starshield.
An excellent essay, thanks! Very enjoyable.
Drone of that size😮
I think larger manned ships that are mostly automated is a good direction. Until we have robots that can have similar dexterity along with decision making for navigation while jammed, having 2-5 people on a larger ship that would need hundreds prior would be a significant advancement.
Ima go get me one
Anytime I think of “unmanned boat vessels” I can’t help but think of the Robot Navy Ship from Fallout 4 lmao
I had a collision on Puget Sound with a guy adrift and asleep down below.
His dark green boat was invisible against the forest beyond.
Jerk
well TBF your boat was too quiet and he couldnt hear you..
jerk..
@@ripvanwinkle2002 True, mandatory raves on all sailing boats in order to avoid mishaps
Japanese kamikaze aircrafts were also planes on auto-pilot.
Friday commute home is saved ❤
“Go ahead. Take it from me.”
-brock sampson
"Continuous lookout" doesn't necessarily require a person if the drone is truly autonomous with it's own AI and sensor array with redundancies to ensure 24x7 continuous operations. So, the notion that they require a human presence, or a continuous remote human monitor, will eventually just be an archaic notion relegated to history... that day is coming.
Also, packing them with an explosive charge to self-destruct if boarded or an attempted towing would prevent they from being seized, and teach those doing so to NOT try either. Such a self-destruct mechanism could be made as tamper-proof as possible with a code needed to be received to deactivate it by US personnel.
What about the use of water cannons?
I wonder if they have a self destruct feature
They certainly could/should be so equipped.
Iran has a navy? 😆
First Go Find your country on the map then come and Talks about others
Legal on whose laws???
Idk if anyone’s played Insurgency Sand Storm but a certain voice line comes to mind
“Do you RRREALLY want to do this!?”
So your telling me I can go ahead and "borrow" usa drones and there will be no consequences?! Noice
That's why i don't expect drone vessels to stay unarmed for very long. At some point the navy is going to put self defense weaponry on these ships like Phalanx CIWS and or a deck gun. The only issue would be modifying the Phalanx to increase it's magazine size or give it an auto reloader that can feed it more ammo from a main magazine inside the ship every time it runs out. Because as it sits right now the Phalanx doesn't have enough ammo capacity to repel more than a small boarding party or drone swarm etc.
Yyaahh it's Purdy and oui say is okie mon eih.... And still no pay in my account or on any of my cards mon eih....
I know am not American but is it good to tell your enemy your weakness?
bait on the hook my friend..
we are FAFO fishing..
@@ripvanwinkle2002 they say a risk brings great rewards but risking foolishly brings chaos
@@Levimoi345 and HISTORY says fcking with America's boats brings annihilation..
@@ripvanwinkle2002
Israel strafed, napalmed, and torpedoed USS Liberty, what were the consequences for them?
@@rustyshaklford9557 wtf has that got to do with this thread..?
they paid.. or did you not read the full history?
has israel fucked with our boats since?
i swear you could talk about the shape of a gumball and one of you ITZ DA JOOZ idiots will show up..
Come take it.
Okay so why not just have *mostly* automated ships that minimize the disadvantages of both and enhance their advantages?
The push for including unmanned naval vessels won't come from the navies, but rather shipping. The aviation regulations for drone operations came from airlines, airports and drone operators to avoid them being hassled and harassed by local law enforcement agencies.
Interesting.
There are already ships like that being used. I think it was Norway that actually sent a cargo ship like that between two ports. It's only time before it becomes normal for commercial shipping and colregs is forced to change.
To subdue your enemies without fighting
So sooner or later ships will only have humans on them just to sign paperworks
Legal....no legal.....good luck
I am inclined to think that AI could answer a lot of the legal issues in the not too distant future. AI will also allow USVs to operate completely autonomously once their mission was made known to them.
8:10 They flip themselves upright? Lol. wow.
1:00
"american drones could PAVE the WAY ..."
nice pun
also why you wouldn't want to try "seizing" any us navy ship larger than a rowboat.
one step towards Skynet
The drone sumbarine was "in international waters" of course it was😂😂
Yahhh i hear doommaster and still no payee upper now eih.... Mon
Just try.then will see .
How could you claim ownership?
So would you say that what @rctestflight is doing is illegal
Yeah it does take a genius to know maritime laws says any vessel unmanned and under power or not, can be boarded and brought under control, or taken as salvage.
If it's unmanned, it's open for salvage. That's the law.
Olympus has fallen!!!
God damn things are gonna be soooo proportional
Cool! Freebies at sea!
It's called War !
Drones r, a very hot topic euh....
Go ahead and try
Listening to media in the USA it’s pretty sick. I’m so glad I woke up and don’t watch mainstream media anymore. Long Live The Resistance 🇵🇸🫡☮️🌎❤️
Correction (and this drives me nuts): the correct pronunciation of the word "mariner" is , not "muh-REE-ner".
Muhreenur.
Hey thanks a lot for pointing this out to me. I’ll say it properly going forward (English isn’t my first language 😅)
The new tach needs new rules.
Good luck.
So with these bigger unmanned ships, should there ever be a conflict and they take damage, or even just hit something in the water, it would be fully out of commission, with no people on board to immediately effect repairs.
Wait a minute. How are SpaceX's drone ships legal then?
Good question!
I thought, these unmanned ships would be considered *derelict,* but treating them as *navigational hazard* is probably more reasonable.
One thing that COLREGS be changed is somewhat if the world could start the commercialization of it.... Like for example cargo ships that carry your normal international Amazon packages be unmanned.
The problem on that is the loss of a lot of sailors jobs though
Don't touch our boats. It's that simple.
Two words. Due regard
Operation praying mantis 2.0?
ketch itt git itt th|n stunnem