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Garnt looking like Mikasa💀
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He's cosplaying Season 4 Mikasa
I cannot unsee it now 😂
That’s what I was thinking too💀
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Grant:Tatakae
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My favorite trope is when the opening plays during the final battle
tokyo ghoul s1 final fight of kaneki vs jason was my favourite one of this trope and gosh it was lit
I’d say it really depends. Sometimes it can be annoying when people talk in the background and you don‘t understand anything. I think the Slime Anime had that problem in the second season. Other than that, I fully agree. There‘s nothing more epic
I say my least favorite trope of all time is where the MC is getting shit on with false accusations only to be found innocent with side characters going "Yeah he/she would never do that" "he/she helped me out on that one task" "Yeah who would dare mess with them?" After they been cleared
I'm like "Where the fuck was ya when they needed help?"
Yup. Hella annoying. Also the false accusations are usually super flimsy and some actually have evidence even proving innocence but everyone automatically accepts the hearsay.
What I hate more is how the mc just gets over it, like do they not feel even the slightest amount of resentment or pettiness??
Deadman wonderland
@@pax6833 just like real life
I'm so glad Garnt mentioned Owari no Seraph. I watched episode 1, got so hyped, intrigued and fascinated on the world and story on how everything would develop and the direction it would go to seeing how the first episode capture the feeling of a post apocalyptic world where vampires took the world. Then the exact fucking next episode started in a highschool, how the fuck did they drop the ball so hard with an absolutely spectacular opening episode.
Did you finish the series???
@I'm Always Tired only watched the anime, watched up to season 2 or season 3, whichever was the latest.
It eventually moved out of high-school but it still didn't have the same grim atmosphere like the first episode. It just lost all sense of tension honestly even though it still had great animation.
The manga currently is just devolving more and more. The mc actually makes me question how it’s still going
@@stealthy25_ Oh, boy. It's been a long time since the last time I read the manga. Is Yuu still alive?
@@imalwaystired5221 fucking bitch boy mc literally gets more and more stupid over time. Trusting everyone implicitly as soon as they say anything about family despite the fact that they get betrayed every 4 seconds.
And yes
Jotaro is definitely not an average hoghschooler
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@@Dr._Bo n nmmn n
@@fatmatz27 what?
If I saw him in one of my classes I'd call the police
I think the JoJo universe he is💀
Why it works for HxH is that it's formal narration, third person and using expressive descriptions
Pretty much
Agreed. HxH is also very complicated sometimes with nen abilities too
Except for the fact it doesn't work in HxH either, the only reason it's defended by people like you by using these intellectual buzzwords is because it's an internet darling
i personally didnt like it tbh
@@mozkebab8260 Don't care tbh
Basically Bleach:
Captain: Bankai!
Enemy: Oh! shit!
Also Captain: Let me explain my Zanpakutou's ability in detail, how to counter it, the date I got it, my back story with it, how its looks like, and its favourite food
Enemy: ok...
The worst was in the TYBW arc when that one guy used his music related Bankai, explained it was related to sound and then the enemy just burst his own eardrums to counter it
@@Ash_Wen-li That's one trope I especially hate. It's annoying if it's done for the sake of the audience, but when it's done and enemy actually acknowledges it, and uses that knowledge against the person who was explaining, it just goes to a whole other level of "this trope needs to die".
Jesus I’m glad I’m not the only one to find it annoying, OMG sometimes bleach drives me crazy with that shit
@@Ash_Wen-li this has to be one of my most annoying trope. Like at least in JJK, when you do that you get a slight power boost because you exposed your power.
And if things get complicated, and no one explains, we get a narrator to voice how things are going.
Inserting an entire character's backstory into the middle of a fight like that always made me forget what the fuck I had even been reading beforehand, and it happens with like every single character in every fight. Most of whom then die or disappear for like 200 chapters
Glad Joey is talking about high-school being the golden age in Japanese society. It is very interesting to see the culture that way. Especially since in Japan high-school has more club activities & socializing than western schools.
actually it's not only in Japan, the entire asian golden age is the highschool era. and western are the opposite
@@axpx98 is that really the case in Korea? Who would look back on studying to 11pm with fondness?
Even in the western world there is this idea that high school is the best years of your life.
@@axpx98 Not in India
@@ninjacell2999Study hard for college exam is the same across the East Asia. You gotta consider that Korean male are required to serve in the military for 2 years when they get out of high school and before 30. After that is working under Asian corporations.
You actually do VERY VERY BRIEFLY see Jotaro at school, or at least in the nurse’s office for his fight against Kakyoin
I have found that a character is more relatable not if they are in a situation that you are, but if the show makes the viewer see themselves in the protagonists shoes. Giving people choices and seeing how they treat others. People also relate to a character if that character is what they aspire to be like so i dont think being a highschooler only makes anyone relate to a character
@Y Y There is more to it than personality in my opinion, like aspirations and beliefs. Basically anything that makes you who you are or that orients your decision.
I suppose it works best when considered kind of like a mirror-image of the inner working of a human being, not what socially defines him/her.
That’s why everyone loves Denji despite very few of us being semi-homeless, starving debt slaves.
@@orsaz924 Aspirations and beliefs are part of personality. It's as the word implies. Personality is anything that makes you a person.
Like 70% of the Chrollo Vs Hisoka fight is Chrollo giving a Ted Talk on his abilities and I am all for it. Literally my favourite fight in the manga.
Yeah and the cool thing is that he made the explanation a requirement for his bookmark ability to work
#MoreEssaysInFightScenes
Legit, it will be imposible to grasp a single shit in some HxH fights if they didnt explain it.
Hxh type of battles are not like One Piece, Berserk, etc. Its not about the fight itself, its all about the strats and analysis in fight, thats the magic of HxH. Togashi already explored full no dialogue fight with Hisoka vs Gon.
@@fmb6945 To the contrary of popular belief, Togashi IS a master of visual story telling. When the man wants to draw, he draws and conveys meaning without the use of dialogue.
I’m not just talking about fight scenes but the ending scene of the chimera ant arc where Komugi and Meureum hold each other for the last time, Gon’s transformation, his fight with Pitou not containing any elaborate planning or exposition but pure rage on Gon’s part and simple submission on Pitou’s part, the scene where Kurapika is walking with his brethren’s severed eyes and meets that one mafioso bidder, heck, even Kurapika’s fight with Uvogin had this atmosphere of dread behind it that went beyond just words. Togashi may be memes as someone who likes writing essays every other panel, and that’s true to some extent, but he also is one of the best when it comes to building atmosphere and eliciting emotion from the visuals alone.
@@dylanbuchanan6511 agree mate, one of Togashi's greatest strength as a mangaka is his extreme versatility on a technical level, although I do think there is still a criticism that can be levied here. I've seen a lot of discussions in reddit regarding the infodumps in hxh and one of the things that I see people agree is that some of the fans overemphasize the explanation in hxh when it really just explained only what is necessary, but the criticism that can be levied is that it presented the narrative in a very obtuse and arguably in "too technical" way both in words and in visuals, and we all know some of those details are just gonna get dropped due to the nature pf Togashi's very spontaneous writing style that tends to be very organic or in this case "too realistic" in a way it becomes dry to a lot of people.. This is not to actually criticize hxh but it's more of it's a great narrative concept that was very well written but was presented in quite an inaccessible way.
PS: one of the reasons I think the anime adaptation is more well received than the manga, add to that a lot of people only had switched to manga to get more content of it after the anime ends.
I’m glad you brought up the slave thing Garnt.
Because I too am noticing this weird trend in fantasy anime recently where the setup is that the main character purchasing a slave(but not really treating them like slaves) to save them from dying or something worse eventually evolves into a strong friendship but more especially a romance between the slave/master
Shield Hero, the Ancient Magus Bride, Redo of Healer, Slave Harem Labyrinth, Sugar Apple Fairy Tale, Reincarnated as Sword.
Even this light novel series I’m currently reading called “The Alchemist Who Survived Now Dreams of a Quiet City Life”. Long story short, it has our main heroine who’s an alchemist ends up buying a beaten up slave on the verge of dying so she can save him and also have an ally to help her and trust with her secret and he ends up developing feelings for her.
It's a trope that been common in H*ntai for years. I guess its a non-con/dub-con kink.
It's not a weird trend, the maid trope is literally the same thing with a different skin, and it's why the maid trope annoys me to no end
@@MisterTwit maids get paid to do their jobs. Pretty sure slaves don’t. Plus slaves never asked to be slaves
@Ali Brennan it's Japan, they used to have families so indebted to larger families that their entire bloodlines purpose was to serve the main family. That stuff was as common as feudalism and serfdom was in Europe. Medieval fantasy does away with most of the reality of the past but some of it slips through
@@_NobodySpecial_ that is true. I always wondered about when CHILDREN are expected to serve rich people along with their parents like in Kaguya Sama Love is War.
An anime trope I personally miss are the "anime falls" (where a character would be standing up right but then it's just their legs showing in the next frame), the 90s pulled this off really well.
tv tropes calls it the "face fault"
The worst thing is that the characters are highschoolers, but act as if they're mid 20s - early 30s mature adults.
and the problem with that is?
Blue Flag was a great manga but it really took me out when these high schoolers were having deeply philosophical arguments regarding homophobia and identity
@@hydrocy.9165 The problem is that if the high schoolers act like adults, there's not point in it being set in high school
@@cyborgcuttlefish6326 why? High schoolers are not donkeys, they do have deep conversations sometimes and question things. At least I know me and my friends did when we were that age. Plus teenage years is actually the time when people are normally trying to figure out their identity.
@@roseberryy_ dude, im a teenager. i know we can have deep conversations. i've had plenty. but this shit happened in literally every conversation
The OPM season 1 Boros fight is visual fight choreography and storytelling at its finest.
For Japan, High School was the time before the join the soul crushing world of adulthood, also I can see the appeal of making HS seem alot grander than when we were in HS. I see it as " HS sucked wished my time there was like [insert HS anime] "
Japan High School already soul crushing with the amount of exams they have to endure lol...
@@saddocatto9245 I was waiting for someone to comment on this. It's not that Japanese highschool is much better than western HS (hell, some would say it's way worse), it's that what comes after in a person's life is SO MUCH WORSE, that it makes those hellish high school years feel like a dream.
Just to inform everyone, pot of greed allows me to draw two cards from my deck
The narration in HxH only propelled the show because I've seen so many people say they had no idea what was happening without the explanation from the narrator. Especially during very subtle parts in the Chimera Ant arc
The shows that got anime original endings were usually based on monthly series like Black Butler and Fullmetal Alchemist, so they kind of had to do that if they wanted to finish the show within single decade. For comparison, Attack on Titan got it's first season 10 years ago and is only now almost at the finish line.
To be fair, it takes a really good writer to create an entirely unique and alien setting and still manage to keep the characters relatable. Highschool is definitely a shortcut that a lot of writers take, but I can't blame them necessarily. Especially considering that a lot of these manga and light novels are made by novice writers whose works took off, like the SAO author. Blame the consumers who make pumping out the exact same story over and over so profitable.
Add to that, when you try to sell a book, you get broken up by your publist or editors and they tell you, any character over 18 is outside the demo for young adult fiction. It's why few heroes are out of the 30 plus age. How often are romance movies top sellers about 50 plus year olds. The demo tells people hey most by 30 get tired and are too busy and won’t even watch shows and movies...kinda true given the guys and many of that age complain about slow paced shows they used to like because they have no time to enjoy themselves. Even games are told to be shorter because people are so tired all the time and want to just get it over with. Would you really wanna cater to that grumpy hard to please demo or one that's happy and fresh, and will buy your nostalgic remake of a series and hate it years later cause their 19 years of being introduced to media formed their solidified opinion on things and now they're grumpy and cynical and call things like jujutsu kaisen and demonslayer mid along with chainsawman etc...all the while back in the day they'd be must watch afternoon tv while doing your homework...with a plot that moves and great animation and unique designs and powers. Now people want shows to speak to them specifically about some arbitrary human experience mostly how life is hard and mental health or kids cause that's what's affecting them not escapism of fighting aliens and blowing up planets...but that is still entertaining, but to adults only dry and simple works (adults who have gone jaded and serious).
To be fair, most mangaka are literally fresh out of high school so it's very much the first thing on their minds when they begin writing manga lol
I'm a senior in Highschool and none of the stuff me or my friends write are in a HS setting. I don't think that's a good reasoning. Though, Japan does view HS differently as they said. I still think it's just the easy choice for authors.
@@tacostastegreat5557ntil Joey mentioned that I had no idea HS was viewed so differently from over here in the west. Sounds kinda sad tbh if they really do view high school as the peak of their lives cus I mean if you think about school is such a small part of your overall life. As long as you don’t get sick or some tragic accident happens most of your life is after school. I mean I loved school and adult life is really tough at times and there’s so much more to worry about when you grow up but I can’t imagine looking at school like the best part of your life. I feel like it has been an eternity since I was in school and I’m still not even 30 until next month. There’s so much life left to live after school is the point I’m making I guess.
That's why Bebop is such a fucking classic. Minimal dialogue a lot of the time
Makes sense. It’s anime original. You should watch more anime original content. If you want to watch more anime original stuff, check out mecha anime.
And real characters in future setting
Overrated
Seraph of the End was apparently in Jump SQ, which is a monthly magazine with a higher reader age than Shonen Jump, so it makes even less sense for there to be a high school arc. And the reason it got suddenly dropped is likely because the rankings for the first few chapters were in the top 5 and then it suddenly dropped to the double digits.
Love how they talked about how weird it would be if Attack on Titan suddenly was set in a high school, considering there is a spin-off where that happens
If you're talking about Junior high, that's like chibi cute fun series, not actually a serious spin off but if you're talking about The Highschool panels at the end of the volume, they're like just comedy
assassination classroom is the best example of a great highschool anime
The over explanations of anime fights is what kills any momentum BHA/MHA has going for it. Every time it starts to get going it has to stop itself and explain everyone's power or put it in a little text box with their name and quirk. I don't need a reminder that Bakugo has the power of explosions.
Grant really got all the boys using the word dichotomy I love it
5:04 I was just thinking of how Berserk's depiction of fights and movement was so clear and easy to follow. One manga that I think deserves more praise for this is Dandadan. Tatsu does an amazing job at drawing their fight scenes in ways where it is abundantly clear what movements are being made. A perfect example is Okarun's latest fight with evil eye, chefs kiss
Why is garnt wearing mikasa’s scarf
11:00 THANK YOU CONNOR. This has been driving me crazy about changes made to games and people just defend it by saying "oh well it's intended for kids"
Are we all just pretending the first gen pokemon was bought and played by primarily 30-40 year old men? Those games had difficulty and a little bit of grindiness. Now people make it way easier and then just go "well it's intended for kids" Kids aren't that dumb
I heard Scarlet/Violet did well in making it both fairly difficult without upping the grind.
I beat Blue version when it released, before I could read. My starter was BEST, the Bulbasaur. Who was supposed to be a Charmander. And was supposed to be named Beast. But I couldn't read the menus well enough to know I could change my mind. Still beat the game. Kids will figure it out.
@@twenty1129 uh what age did you learn to read?? If you were able to use the gameboy, you should be old enough to read well.
everything does it. doesnt matter how many times somethings done it dont matter. execution is way more important than new ideas
Well I would say that the high school setting is a bit over represented and I at least would like see some other situations there.
@@nibblitman I don't get what you mean by, "I at least would like see some other situations there". There's literally an innumerable number of manga/anime that don't take place in a high school setting. You can go your entire life without touching that high school genre and still never finish all others.
Garnt talking about the lack of explanations for JJK fights means he is gonna be in for some shit when the Culling Game happens and we get Hakari's fight
Those fights actually were painful to read. These fights for characters only just introduced that last many chapters and have more dialogue than a Hunter x Hunter fight
Had to reread the same explanation multiple times to understand how his powers work💀
'DON'T INFO DUMP ME WITH THIS GARBAGE '
the greatest quote in JJK
especially Kiraras technique is a nightmare
I like how the boys are actually talking about anime.
With Claymore every character has as different hairstyle, so you have to guide yourself through it
Yes, but only because Claymore has THE WORST case of same-face-syndrom I have ever seen in manga
Oh man now idk if im gonna enjoy it
Yup, gotta pay attention to the hair
@@p0ppysmic13 it's my favorite manga. The art is incredible. If you like psychedelic, acid art you're gonna love it
@@TheCarlosCobain I suppose you haven't read AoT's manga. Good luck telling who's Historia or Armin in most chapters
"jujutsu kaisen don't have a lot narration and explaining"
Manga readers: 🤨
right when he said that I immediately thought of Hakari and his power
Yeah it gets kinda jarring at times, before the Shibuya arc it was fine, but now at times it gets to HxH levels of over explanation (ex: chapters from 145 to 147 actually made me drop the manga for a while, almost all characterization was thrown out the window for a really underwhelming super long exposition. There's nothing wrong about exposition to make the audience aware of the plot points to come, but it's your job as an author to not make it such a goddamn chore to get through it)
Master Tengan, also known as "The Expositing Beef Jerky"
@@bruh......2005 to be fair it’s part of the power system to explain stuff
@@bruh......2005 tbh you can just skim thru those explanations and still understand it pretty easily later on
Oh just you wait for the jjk domain explanations 😂
Spoil me
@@joebidenjr5902 character named Hakari have a domain expansion that is basically a pachinko machine and author drew double page spread explaining it
@@joebidenjr5902 every domain has its own rules basically but generally the user guarantees his/her attacks will land
@@witrex7764 I am begging and praying manga authors to stop including chance based attacks in stories they don't make any sense.
It's not a game where there's an actual dice being rolled or actual stakes you are the fucking author you decide if the attack hits or not. What's the point of acting like it's chance based?
Nice to see The Man, The REAL Anime Man & Mankey talking about anime for once.
Them talking about Claymore in the middle of video just hit me with a heavy dose of nostalgia.
There are a lot is stories that only make sense in highschool. I enjoy a lot of high school romance stories where the characters spend a lot of time together by design and then have a lot of free time to think about and act on their feelings. I find it's hard to do that as an adult.
Meanwhile my most hated trope is the lack of time for development. example My Hero Academia, all of the events so far is less than a year, literally. Like I feel MHA should be a story that would involve several years from their 1st year to their last year in UA to make it have more weight and more explanation on their development as characters and powers.
i dont think Horikoshi or other creators want to be stucvk doing the same series for their entire life
Thank you. There's literally now reason for all this shit to be happening to these kids before becoming pro-hero's.
@@mr.ilikespam6081 I am not saying to take years. but the arcs should be either a full year or more. Like all the crazy events up to almost a heavy fight wit hthe main villain happen in less than 6 months. You think they would be by third year so they have time to shine but no, they only have been part of UA for less than 11 months and now they are above the pros ... If he wanted to rush like that he could have done a small time skip between arcs and make it more believable, everything should now happen in such a short time frame.
Flashback padding. Once or twice in a series is fine but I don’t need to get beaten over the head with it. If a show is good enough for me, then I will remember it.
Anime in the early days LOVE to waste 5 minutes to recap what happened in the previous episode...
@@KenBladehart I’m more so referring to the flashback padding in the middle of the episodes like in Naruto. And then reshowing it 50 or so times for the rest of the series. Once in a while is no big deal, but it’s mind numbing how often it’s done with the same scenes over and over.
@@cmrobbins88 I know. The one I said is on the same level of annoying
@@KenBladehart yeah, I agree. When I watched one piece, the straw hats were already in Dressrosa yet the show kept recapping way back when Gol D Roger was executed and their adventure in Fishman Island
@@KenBladehart recaps are important. It’s hard to remember stuff that happened months ago.
Maybe it's because I'm a younger millennial and high school/college memories are still fairly fresh in my mind, but HS anime doesn't really bother me unless it's super ecchi and some (Kaguya-sama, O Maidens in your Savage Season, Toradora, etc.) work best in that environment.
A bigger annoyance to me is middle school because the stories often feel out of place in the environment. Your Lie in April is one of my all-time favorite anime, but I think it could've been improved if they were high schoolers, especially in terms of the romantic aspects of the show.
anime finally left high school thanks to isekai until they added high school into isekai.
I would love a chapter of Baki having to go back to school. Just officer half the Baki's size giving him lip. Sitting at 2 desks using the same baki logic to pass tests he never studied.
They’re so valid for their opinion on Owari no Seraph, they did NOT need to be in the high school! And on the point of high school being added to be more “relatable,” I think there needs to be more recognition of the fact that a lot of high schoolers want escapism! They want to find ways to leave high school mentally if they can’t leave physically! So to have a ton of anime for that ages demographic just be stuck in high school is really stunting!
Apparently the Japanese view on high-school is different from americas
If they cut of Hakari domain and culling games explanation anime only won't get what is happening
Fr western audience won't have any idea what his domain does
@@thydragon1161 im a die hard jjk fan and i barely understand hakkaris domain
Not like it really matters all that much
Man the Saber model behind Connor and the Astolfo figure in the centre of the table look so cool. And all the mechas.
Thank you for bringing up over-explanation. That always drives me crazy in anime. It's such a pacing killer.
On a similar note, fights where characters spend most of it standing and talking to each other. I get it, fights need story to go with the action, but that's why it's important to give fights a proper set-up beforehand, so the writers aren't scrambling to catch the audience up DURING the fight.
I think high school is a default setting where you can have a bunch of people routinely gather for a legit reason. Lazy sure, but effective.
I've lost count of how many times Joey said "Dichotomy"
I feel like so many anime just generally work better if you imagine them a grade section up. Middle schoolers to high schoolers, high schoolers to college...
Man that Bruno and Secco fight in part 5 where he was underground and in a different dimension at the same time in the manga almost made me give up trying to analyze what was actually happening
There are series that have justifications for being set in a school. Onizuka, High School of the Dead, Gakkou Gurashi, Oregairu, even Monogatari series (Kaiki makes it very clear that Araragi is a naive kid). But in most cases it could be replaced by a college, a company or even a local gym and nothing would change.
There's zero reason for Highschool of the Dead nor Monogatari to be in highschool. The characters could have easily be older like young adults and the story would stay the same. The rest I agree cause they actually tackles theme and issue of growing up. But HOTD and Monogatari aren't justified.
@@zackfross98 For HotD it lost its justification the moment they left the school. But early on, it had an advantage of being a walled-off area. It had a strategic justification. Except they almost immediately abandoned it. For Monogatari, a lot of issues they dealt with had some childish roots, they were just dumb kids. At the very least, Hanekawa, Kanbaru and Oikura were affected by school social stuff.
@@zackfross98 Monogatari is LITERALLY about the last year of highschool and transitioning from a teenager to an adult, that is its whole theme across the entire show and all of its character arcs.
If nothing would change, why should they change the setting to college?
and then there is Jujutsu Kaisen wheere you read 2 page lengthy explanatoin on how pachinko machine work and how it relates to the fight, and you are more confused at the end than when you were starting
HxH totally needs that narration. Because everything is happening at the same time within minutes
At times the stakes became lukewarm because of it. The idea of narration isn't bad, it's just the execution (especially in the anime) was a huge problem imo. I wouldn't go back to rewatch Chimera Ant arc because of it
There are two types of people, those who saw the narration as a sort of epic akin to retelling some fantasy finalle and that it was mostly necessary to make the story bigger and grand scale, and those who scuff at it, and think show don't tell is a law, and breaking it breaks all story conventions and is punishable by the entire arc being considered bad, overlooking all good parts outside the narration. The biggest debate is on totally not mark's vid where he agrees that narration is bad, (and I agree that a few of the lines were unneeded, like explaining a character taking a breath vs needed like explaining poetically the admiration or change in an insect's heart due to them being insects and not really showy of their emotions by default (yupie). I think that arc for fans is the best and encompasses why people put hxh on a pedestal when non fans or fair weather fans see it as ok, this fairly generic shōnen everyone says is so different just has overcomplicated power system and a stretched plot with anticlimaxes, pass...it's the way hxh isn't just always deconstructing but reconstructing that makes people like it and hate it. It's akin to, if you enjoy simpler shōnen you'll likely think hxh is too much. I think JJK author saw a way to blend the two as a fan of hxh who got why it's good and why others avoid it. The simple looking gon was almost too simple and makes people not wanna watch till you give up and say it's set up for deconstruction, then people are aware and put off by the deconstruction. JJK sets up a cool looking main, adds something similar and familiar, demon inside you aka naruto, but twist it as the demon stays menovolant then deconstructs further by setting a power ceiling for the good guys, and goes complex powers from there, throw in bleach like bankia's/domains, and you wonder why It's so hard for manga to not get axed. Just make a good story, and all the tools are there. NOPE we get cliché 30 chapter axed series after another chasing demonslayer verbatim.
When you're dealing with some abstract concept or idea where all the rules are immediately laid out like in a lot of anime especially where there are superpowers, exposition is really the only way to convey to the viewer what is happening. Sometimes too, the situation might be so complicated to execute without exposition that it's just something that's needed ie. HxH Palace Assault during the Chimera Ant arc. There's a video that shows it in real-time and when you see it, you get why the narration was necessary.
Also, if the viewer isn't well-versed in the subject the anime is about so an explanation of what's happening really is there for the viewer. I see this a lot in sports anime where a character will do something amazing but if you don't know the sports and the exposition isn't there, you would completely miss it, so the explanation after given by either a third-person spectator or one of the players helps fill that gap.
I agree that a large part of why there is exposition comes from adapting manga where the fights can get hard to follow so the mangaka includes it to help their readers.
it's just this weird dichotomy and that's just a really weird dichotomy because of how weird the dichotomy is between the dichotomy and the dichotomy of the dichotomy. Joey 2023
The best example of “show, don’t tell” in animation is Samurai Jack imho
Oh dear the arc of MT those three will be seeing…
I totally agree with not being able to follow a lot of fights but I just read claymore and I was able to follow most of the fights by the girl’s hair
I always did find it funny when people complain about when a show that gives you too much information. At the same time people will go and complain that they didn’t give you enough information!! 💀
People also passed around the show don't tell rule like it's gospel without understanding that it works for super simple work where you know the tropes…those same people claim they hate cliché stories but love stories they can understand with little explanation. The whole, I can understand this plot if there was no sound because everything is shown not told take…like sure, character movement and traits etc, but that story is likely way longer presented than just telling you, and it wastes time (giving people an opportunity to say slow paced dropped) or it's so simple that many will say (eh, it was a basic one of those). You really can't win. HXH does it well in that, people complain but without it people go on asking how powers work and how it's all a@@ pulls. Same with jojo and people not understanding King Crimson. You can have a Naruto fight without telling or one piece because the powers are basic 1 thing, luffy never thinks internally cause his powers are straight forward. I don't want all shows to be straight forward, show don't tell. It's akin to the rule no adverbs in writing, like sure, but to do that you sure do waste a lot of time rewording things to say the same 2 words that Harry Potter got away with using and making millions on…commentor angrily said.
Show dont tell is not realy meant to show how much inofrmation you give, just how you deliver the exposition. The common adage of "a picture says more than a thousand words" might be a slight exaggeration but the fact is some thing are simply easier to show than tell. Complicated things can be explained simply, and if even the authour who created a power/system/world or whatever cant explain or show it in realtively simple terms then that is a failure on their part. But the simple fact is that people dont like reading what sometimes feel like worldbuilding notes when reading about a story, people want information while the author also has too keep enough hidden to keep the reader engaged. It is a hard art to master. It is not a case of simple vs complex for where show dont tell is meant to be used, but it is a general rule that most authours could keep in mind. This is because, when they get out of the amateur phase, authors tend more towards overexplaning than not explaning enough.
Totally agree with “show me, don’t tell me” is what any visual media should do. Over explaining things just makes stories convoluted. The sports comment too… it’s a tired excuse to stretch out an episode too.
gotta love this discussion that some tropes are good in excecution!!
There is a massive difference in complexity tho if we compare certain shows. In HxH the explanations of abilities or strategies are sometimes actually necessary as not only abilities but strategy and style are very specific.
On the other hand there is My Hero Academia explaing us for the bazillionth time the same ability like "she can create objects hurr durr"
The laziness comments resonated. I read a lot of online novels and Japanese light novel titles are often so long they’re actually the synopsis because apparently Japanese youth can’t spare the extra effort to read the description. Its beyond ridiculous.
The title: "anime tropes that are our favorite"
The clip: talks about the most infuriating tropes in anime for them
I feel like Oyasumi Pun Pun is perfectly relatable (not the entire thing) and makes it hit soooooooooooooooooooooo hard that you just are broken at the end
a smaller trope but when someone is talking about another character it'll show them sneezing. it still makes me laugh
is that really a trope? it's more of just a superstition that made its way into anime
The funniest thing about No Seraph is how Vampires use high tech shit like helicopters and missiles while humans use swords, bows, and arrows.
Houseki no kuni manga is soo hard to figure out which character you are looking at
Which is also why the anime I would say is so good, hoping for more some time soon
Honestly I'd argue explaining stuff is one thing HxH does almost flawlessly .. it just sometimes is a bit too much and complicated .
So it does explaining flawlessly except for the part where it's not flawless
@@hydrocy.9165 Yeah pretty much 😂
Interrupted monologues or “free action talking” taken advantage of are GOAT’d. Like Josuke walking behind Okuyasu while talking to Keicho, or in anime-style games, Mio punching a villain many times her weight mid-monologue and felt more ‘raw’ than simply funny because this villain was pushing it too far for the party.
My friend and I had the same thoughts on Tokyo Revengers that Connor did. We thought, "Wait, what? These kids are middle schoolers but are running Tokyo by being underground yakuza? Tf? That makes no sense." lmao Then we dropped it.
I'm with Connor on this one and glad newer mangakas see highschool trope doesn't reflect world wide audience especially with manga/anime is very popular. I get that 'golden age' thing in japan and narrative wise for developing the character but so many story just became weird for international audience
It’s still a thing in American media, but with college
@@thomasffrench3639 it's not. Because college age has more awareness, proper consent, and self reliability than highschool. If you claim that might as well ask yourself what's the difference between middle school and highschool for you as a person.
@@thomasffrench3639 and no idgaf about which media it came from, it could come from french, Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe for all I care I'll spit on their face the same way if they show another HS protag just because
Would like to say the step by step explanation in Haikyuu helped me pass my volleyball test back in high school lmao 🤣
I mean, I get the high school saturation but specifically Tokyo Revengers is a time travel and butterfly effect series, so it wouldn't work if it wasn't set in middle school/high school. The MC goes back into his past self. That's the whole gimmick.
My head canon is that the over explanations are for the non-imaginative people that tune in and just want every bit of information spoon fed to them. I tested this with part 8 JoJo(My favourite part) where I didn’t read the explanations I just looked at the art and glanced at some key points and I understood it completely fine.
Similarly they’re are moments you can mute an anime and clearly understand what’s going on. But obviously, one trip to any anime forum or Reddit, will show you there there are HUNDREDS of people asking “what happened in this scene/chapter?” And obviously shounen mist like tells the mangaka “hey could you explain this so all readers can understand”
Jujutsu High should have just been a religious authority/temple rather than a highschool, especially since it's both used as an HQ for adult sorcerers and most of the story takes place outside of it. Even the things the trio learn in the school are reminicient of a manager (Gojo) handing you off to another employee to show you the ropes at a new job.
PS: Harry Potter works as a schools setting because the setting IS Hogwarts, and the characters don't have to go down a magic well or to the Soul Society to get the plot going.
I started Gundam with Unicorn and then went back to watch all the UC stuff and that was kinda weird but I was into it
I wonder if Connor would like the anime Asobi Asobase 👀
“These tropes are our favorites”
-they all proceed to rant about the tropes they find the worst-
1:19 Isagi having a 5 minute conversation with himself about how to get better at soccer in the last 10 seconds of the game
For me the dragonball manga is a great example of "show don't tell"
Not really. the power level counter there is easily an example of a tell instead of showing. and since that moment the visuals to show their actual growth are rare, the only show they do is that occasional shot of a couple planets being destroyed on one of the final bits of the fight but the rest of the fight it just looks the same as every other one.
One punch man does a waaaaaaaaaaaaay better job at show don't tell imo.
@@ghosthunter0950 For a while it was show don't tell. But he moment the Z arc start and power level are included, then it started to become tell not show which low key sucks.
@@ghosthunter0950 Think he is talking about early Dragon Ball which is different from DBZ and Super.
I hate exposition in fights when it comes from the characters explaining thier abilites because it ruins the fight ( like rose vs mask in bleach) but when it comes from the author in narrations i like it because i feel its needed if your watching a series with complex power systems like nen or curse energy
Connor hates highschool trope because he went to like the most boring school possible and he doesn't relate 💀💀
Tower of God is awesome but many of the fights are super hard to follow for me. Something about the angles and colors throws me off every time.
You know, connor's remarks about tokyo revengers being about middle schoolers and high schoolers just made me curious about his reaction to other yanki manga like crows, clover or bakuon rettou
Mob psycho 💯 being set in middle school makes sense.
Best trope in anime is casual civilian casualties.
Ooooh boy, now that they mentioned HxH, I got reminded of Hisoka vs Chrollo fight
45% Power explanation
25% standing and talking
30% the ACTUAL fight
I might be the minority here but i thought it was very dissapointing for a fight that was hyped for years.
@@bruh......2005 I actually kind of like it to be honest.
I know most people are fond of "show don't tell", but sometimes show don't tell means - in fight context - "I punched you, use ability, and get bigger punch", a kind of filler action where a character hit another character but it barely do anything to them and thus barely do anything to progress the story beyond just punches being thrown. A lot of battle shonen did this sin, DBZ, Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, MHA, JJK, Demon Slayer, BC, you name it, obviously HxH also have done this sin to some degree.
But the differences is that since fights in HxH are far and few in between, they don't always do this sin. For Hisoka and Chrollo specifically, it's actually pretty good that we get an explanation of what's going on. I mean the sheer quality of strategy that Chrollo did was absolutely amazing, and its going to be extremely hard if not damn near impossible for us to understand if Hisoka did not use all those explanation dialogue. I mean, Chrollo's stolen abilities are all pretty simple abilities, yet he is capable of coming with an absolute counter-measure for Hisoka's fighting style.
@@bruh......2005 It's a whole fight about figuring out the other's opponent strategy. Fight doesn't always needs to be constant like hand to hand fight. I still get why you wouldn't like so I respect it
@@yup7380 there's nothing wrong with a strategic fight. One of my fav fights tend to be strategic. The issue is on execution. I understand Chrollo's powers are complex, but you can't torture your readers with huge exposition dump about it, no matter how well the powers are written that in my eyes it's inexcusable. One of my biggest writting pet peeves
Once again the ideas for the fight are really good don't get me wrong, the execution needs ALOT of work though (imo). Ik I'm the minority in this so I get why most of the fanbase loves it, but I didn't, it felt like a chore to complete it.
@@bruh......2005 yeah, I get it. It just never bothered me. Weird thing is I'm also someone who really hates exposition and tell don't show that goes too much but for some reason for HxH, I can get past by it. I feel like HxH still has a lot of show don't tell, maybe that's why I don't mind it.
I do hope the manga gets better when it comes to exposition, I feel like the last 10 chapters are very solid when it comes to it. Chrollo is arguebly Togashi most "show, don't tell" aspect when it comes to characterization. He can pull it off but when it comes to the power system, he sometimes overexplain it too much.
I totally agree with the show no tell trope
Anime is cartoon kabuki!
Joey's Universal English Accent.
GTO is a great high school anime
It's not even high school settings that bother me, it's having to watch an arc around a cultural festival or sports carnival or a school trip to Kyoto or some loner underdog club members in an after school club, which all lose their luster after watching the same things 100 times
I'm vocal about my disdain for current (post 2010s) isekai/portal anime because they are all been made to cash in on the same easy to please demographic that obviously can't afford to support all of the shows being made for them. I'm been having a lot of fun watching fantasy shojo anime. Magus Bride, Sacrificial Princess, Tales of the Outcast, ect. Those shows feels like fantasy (and even have fantasy races that aren't just human with animal/pointy ears.)
funny how they mention owari no seraph. dude i miss that show so much. to give better context it was the demon slayer BEFORE there even was demon slayer. sad how there seems to be little to no plans of reviving it
Imagine an isekai where the world they get transported to is peaceful and perfect so the mc decides to wreak havoc on the world.
4:45 no explanation