Pro Tour Chicago 1997 - Max Suver vs Randy Buehler

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  • @unvexis
    @unvexis Před 4 lety +13

    "[Bolting the knight is] kind of a judgment call. I'm not sure why he would do that." -- Because with Necro, life was cards. Back then, any damage you could avoid taking later meant you could draw more cards instead. I hear drawing cards is pretty good.

  • @derekroberts5931
    @derekroberts5931 Před 3 lety +7

    So much better than watching arena. Real commentary.

  • @johnnyRandomadness
    @johnnyRandomadness Před 8 lety +28

    i wish magic was still played like this

  • @EitherWayAnyway
    @EitherWayAnyway Před 5 lety +25

    Randy Buehler showing twitchy fidget kids these days you don't have to flip cards in your hand like a psychopath during every second of the game.

  • @brads5690
    @brads5690 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The beta dual lands on the table with no sleeves is terrifying. The mana base costs more than the 1st place PT prize!

  • @47Mortuus
    @47Mortuus Před 9 lety +19

    So... Why did Necro get banned? Because its a 30 for 1?

  • @hellasforever6242
    @hellasforever6242 Před 10 lety +4

    Thanks for posting this! So good to see Necro work it's magic.

  • @austindziengelewski6705
    @austindziengelewski6705 Před 10 lety +7

    At about 15 minutes they say it's a miss play to block the beast. The announcers are wrong; with a Necro in play every life is a card. By blocking, he traded one card for 3. That's ancestral recall!

  • @dungeoncorporation
    @dungeoncorporation Před rokem +2

    Dude counters Necro with a land at 11:00. Next level

  • @ryanbunce4572
    @ryanbunce4572 Před 3 lety +1

    I love how hand shuffling just didn't exist

  • @michaelbismarckii9139
    @michaelbismarckii9139 Před 9 lety +7

    One of the commentator's voices reminds me of Edward Norton for some reason.

    • @anstytroll11
      @anstytroll11 Před 8 lety

      it does sound like him alot

    • @Thebrianweissman
      @Thebrianweissman Před 8 lety +4

      It's actually me doing the color commentary, and I can actually hear the resemblance a bit to Edward Norton. Nowadays I don't think I sound quite like that, but it's an interesting observation.

    • @eyeforaneye8785
      @eyeforaneye8785 Před 7 lety

      your commentary btw is just great. one kinda wonders why randy buehler is in the hall of fame considering all the horrible misplays he does (which I sure wouldn't have been able to see considering how noob I was at that time)

    • @Thebrianweissman
      @Thebrianweissman Před 7 lety +1

      Thank you for the compliments, hard to believe this was 20 years ago! Randy deserves to be in the Hall of Fame for sure. No player should be judged on how they play in a single game (we've all made horrible mistakes), and I don't recall him even making horrible misplays in this match. I will have to rewatch it to be sure of that of course, just wasn't my overall impression.

    • @kcsnipes
      @kcsnipes Před 5 lety

      One commentator I think is Brian hacker the other might be Chris pikula ?

  • @SpaceStormy
    @SpaceStormy Před 8 lety +2

    At 10:00 when Suver cuts Randy's deck you can see him motion towards the top and makes another cut. I think since the backs of Ice Age cards where of a different shade I think he was purposefully cutting him away from what might have been a Necropotence or Demonic Consult. Just an observation!

    • @Supernov4
      @Supernov4 Před 8 lety

      +SpaceStormy
      This was common at the time, even at PT level. Marked cards all the way, I mean look at the bends on his cards too.

    • @Thebrianweissman
      @Thebrianweissman Před 8 lety +2

      +oR3Io Some people took it a lot further actually. Tomi Hovi and Olle Rade, both hall of famers, were notorious for using the various subtle differences in foreign print runs to their advantage. Sleeves were not mandatory, so both of those guys filled their decks with four-ofs from different editions and languages. It was a brilliant exploit of sorts, completely legal at the time, so neither can really be faulted for taking advantage of it. The early days of the Pro Tour were definitely the Wild West.

    • @Renataki_
      @Renataki_ Před 8 lety

      wild wild west of magic.sounds crazy...

    • @DDRaHolic
      @DDRaHolic Před 8 lety

      Interesting!

  • @nicholascanevit4193
    @nicholascanevit4193 Před 8 lety +1

    is commentary echoing???

  • @bariltrailette
    @bariltrailette Před 3 měsíci

    What is the Last randy tournament?

  • @tonywalk4146
    @tonywalk4146 Před 6 lety +2

    That's gotta be Weisman on play by play :)

    • @kcsnipes
      @kcsnipes Před 5 lety

      Tony Walk I thought hacker pikula cause those the only other payers i know of

    • @krewkid82
      @krewkid82 Před 5 lety

      Yep that is definitely brian weisseman

  • @HollywoodModelling
    @HollywoodModelling Před 7 lety +5

    Does suver honestly cast a counter spell that's a land with counter spell written on it????

    • @RomeroGrinerdam
      @RomeroGrinerdam Před 7 lety

      If I knew it was possible I would have played some pro tours back then.

    • @dessyyyh
      @dessyyyh Před 6 lety

      It's a proxy. Proxies have always been tourney legal

    • @Sneakz29
      @Sneakz29 Před 6 lety +3

      A judge can give a player a proxy to use on certain conditions

    • @bedpicnic7889
      @bedpicnic7889 Před 6 lety

      Is Brian Weissman one of the commentators?

    • @mybiasedopinions4793
      @mybiasedopinions4793 Před 5 lety

      Judges would make people use proxy if they deemed certain cards too damaged and therefore marked. Player's were required to de-sleeve their decks in the early days of video recorded Magic tournaments.

  • @TankP0wnz
    @TankP0wnz Před 9 lety +1

    Why at around 10 minutes after Randy fetches a land he puts a land aside and someone hands him another one?

    • @deadnoobie2859
      @deadnoobie2859 Před 9 lety +6

      The land fetched was a Plains that was a proxy for Scrubland. Buehler didn't want to be shuffling with the Scrubland (it wasn't his and was lent to him and was given to him after his win) in deck so a proxy for it was put into the deck and when he fetched for it it was replaced with the actual card.
      Right after that you can see Suver's hand where there is a Plain's with the word Counterspell written on it as both players were playing with proxies.

    • @TankP0wnz
      @TankP0wnz Před 9 lety

      Okay thanks that makes a ton of sense now

    • @markvankempen1437
      @markvankempen1437 Před 5 lety

      @@TankP0wnz does it? ;P ;P

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo Před 10 měsíci

      Proxies were allowed then just like they are now in non sanctioned vintage events , as it should be!

  • @davidchampclos2473
    @davidchampclos2473 Před rokem

    Quand un deck est trop puissant ...

  • @mybiasedopinions4793
    @mybiasedopinions4793 Před 5 lety +3

    Man look at those Beta Dual Lands and Islands no sleeves LOL

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo Před 10 měsíci

      We didn’t use sleeves then . In 1994 I was playing in the cafeteria in school without sleeves, and I had power in my decks AND DUALS

  • @mikelong2756
    @mikelong2756 Před 5 lety +4

    Someone call 911, these cards are being thoroughly abused

    • @inspirationalquote3645
      @inspirationalquote3645 Před 5 lety

      Those bent dual lands, force of wills etc in Suvers deck make my skin crawl.

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo Před 10 měsíci

      Cards were cards then, just to play the game- not hoarded treasure

  • @phatbastard0alkaline
    @phatbastard0alkaline Před 10 lety +2

    No sleeves, it hurts :(.

    • @blacknotations
      @blacknotations Před 9 lety

      phatbastard0alkaline i know :( i double sleeve any cards worth $50+

    • @AnsticePalo
      @AnsticePalo Před 8 lety +1

      +blacknotations Then you wouldn't have double sleeved those cards because they were worth less than 10 dollars by this point in magic. It's 1997, Lake of the Dead was worth more than revised duals.

    • @anstytroll11
      @anstytroll11 Před 8 lety +4

      +AnsticePalo this is when magic was perfect and every one could afford it...now the game is shit imo

    • @sergiolandz6056
      @sergiolandz6056 Před 5 lety

      @@anstytroll11 got that right !

  • @leolou6632
    @leolou6632 Před 8 lety +2

    =_=playing volcanic island naked handed

    • @doudoune8035
      @doudoune8035 Před 8 lety

      +Lou Leo Yeah, such a heartbreaking sight...

    • @anstytroll11
      @anstytroll11 Před 8 lety +3

      its just cardboard this is wen magic was played as a game...smh i wish we could go back when trading cards were fun and everyone could get the cards they wanted and play instead of what it is now...rip fun magic

    • @Renataki_
      @Renataki_ Před 8 lety +1

      yooo i agree but its pretty wild to think no one cared to protect cards lol

    • @dR3F
      @dR3F Před 7 lety +2

      Well, if you also forget that many if not most of those year's most dominant players were found out to be cheaters... So much for "fun". But yes, dual lands and other huge cards were more easily accessible.

    • @toddlowrey189
      @toddlowrey189 Před 6 lety

      Oh get over it lol

  • @gustavo6059
    @gustavo6059 Před 5 lety +1

    What a horrible card was Phyrexian War Beast, I do not understand why it was fashionable then to put it inside the decks. They made shit the land to Suver, lol

    • @markvankempen1437
      @markvankempen1437 Před 5 lety +2

      It had really good stats if you were beatdown. stats that went beyond 1power/1mana were quite efficient: Black Knight, Ironclaw Orcs, Woolly Spider, Ernham Djinn. All 'very efficient'. Phyrexian War Beast: same story. Though it makes less sense in such a superslow deck...

    • @egeozdemir4127
      @egeozdemir4127 Před rokem +1

      This creature looks like a bad card by today's standards. Back in the day, it lived through some of the premiere removal spells of its day (immune to Terror, four toughness for Lightning Bolt). It's stats were very aggressive for creatures during this time period. That said, Suver may have wanted to sideboard them given how poorly they lined up against Disenchant.

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo Před 10 měsíci

      Creatures in general were bad then

    • @puffykilled2pac
      @puffykilled2pac Před 9 měsíci

      Power creep hadn't ruined the game yet.

  • @yosemitemoyemite4470
    @yosemitemoyemite4470 Před rokem +1

    Reprint the reserve list.

  • @piggsy9349
    @piggsy9349 Před 7 lety +1

    0:15 i love mtg ive been onto it since 1998 but every time i see Randy's face at this point i realize that 90% of mtg players are douche bags...i still play anyway.

    • @georgeasimakos1744
      @georgeasimakos1744 Před 6 lety

      LOL I didn't even notice that until I read your comment. Hilarious.

    • @Daniel-cv3dn
      @Daniel-cv3dn Před 5 lety +2

      I don't see how making that face implies that he's a douche bag. Am I missing something???

    • @nickfanzo
      @nickfanzo Před 10 měsíci

      You don’t even know what they were saying.