My companion of 15 years is a poster child for narcissism. Abandoned by mom at 2 years, to be raised by an alcoholic dad who was abusive and in jail repeatedly. He wears his pain and anger like a badge of honor. I am so thankful for this video, that doesn't jump to "run away, far and fast".
I agree with you. I have been surrounded by narcissists most of my life and came to hate them with passion. However I have recently realized how I am also a narcissist. Letting go of the overwhelming anger is challenging but possible. People like me need to address our insecurities, unlearn the destructive tendencies and embrace our humanity. The cycle of abuse needs to stop.
Having narcissistic traits and having a Narcissistic personality disorder are two different things. Most of the narcissistic abuse survivors talk about them being emotionally cos the pain they cause van never be forgotten.. nd lose as well.
Kind of silly. Most people who have been under siege by a narc are consumed with finding peace and not being subjected to the insanity of constant upheaval. Kind of a moronic thought that the people attacked, vilified, and punished by a narc are narcs themselves.
I’ve destroyed my life and the lives of others by being a narcissist. I didn’t even know i was one and pointed out how others were. I tear my partner down. They do the work they get strong. They leave. Tired of living like this. She left. I am alone again.
How are you doing? I’m in a similar place hoping he will stay if I change enough but I really struggle to understand him or his perspective or what I should be doing/ not emotionally react or defend nyself
@@imaginationturtle5447Seek a therapist, that would be the best bet. I think it's hard for you to empathize, that's one factor of narcissism. Also, try not to see your partner as some object. He is a person with feelings and etc, try to learn about emotions and etc. Try to be MORE empathizing
I appreciate you!! We need more and more of this exposing this type of abuse and more success with treatment. Because the biggest thought is to always run from these people!
Thank you so much. It is very hard being in a family culture that doesn't discuss anything that might mean someone has to change their behavior. I have been watching this in my family for 70 years. Thank the Lord I have learned a lot about dealing with it.
We applaud your courage for being the one to break the generational bonds and believing you can choose to live differently, as difficult as it will be at first but the freedom that follows will be well worth it.
I think the breakdown of the American family is a highly responsible contributing factor for narcissism epidemic! Children & families are so divorced from a close network of people to create a complex , complete personality!
I tend to agree. I now see it to some degree in my adult children. I think, as a result of the divorce. They were CRUSHED as young children to lose their father and the family union.
You mentioned about emotional immaturity, is indicative of childhood traumas, we are stuck at the age of the trauma incident.. hence my point is healing childhood trauma could be one of the steps to help narcissist. Also, our attitudes towards them also impacts on their healing, deep down the narcissist feels they don’t deserve to be loved, and self loathing can be one of the underlying core fears or pain… if we use Compassion to understand where they are coming from, can we help them heal?
Breathe DEEP Breathe SLOW (through the nose) Experience the emotions and let them go. Emotional intelligence is connected with breathing and these are the tools the NPD are lacking. It is not that they are completely lacking in empathy as much as they are cut off from it and replaced it with apathy. Deep Breathing not only allows for them to reconnect but gives them the tools to cope at the same time.
Just now after seeing ur video I tried to talk to my husband... His reaction was horrible. I didn't think I will be able to deal with his problem. Or treat it with a doctor. Never he agrees he has been abusive
If it wouldn’t be treatable people like Kernberg could throw years of research away. And it’s a difference between narcissistic personality style and the full blown disorder. And today we see that science finds out that narcissists have a close connection to CPTSD… which makes total sense to me. And yes, we all have sometimes those traits. I would like to differentiate. I would leave a N. person, if the person refuses to see a Therapist.
Yes, most of the people we work with are in that place. They are here as a last resort, or under threat of something they don't want to lose being taken from them.
It's not going to be easy path, but hopefully it turns out to be worth it... I just want to give you one advice, please make sure you involve atleast one or two people with you in this process. So that you don't get so confused and you don't lose your identity while helping your partner. A close team of two or three will do better job in this. God bless you
My covert narc brother learned everything of emotions form his ex wife,underwent treatment for some time,divorced her and remarried with more manipulative skills he learnt.i can see the monster but New people around him cannot.
What about those patients that learn from treatment to wear the mask better ? Is there any stage of treatment that targets or helps prevent or resolve this ?
I completed the assessment from what I believe would be my wife's perspective, and it says that I have "many traits of a narcissist or emotional abuser." No wonder she didn't come back. It's incredibly painful knowing that I've lost her. There's nothing I can do to change this. She's closed the door.
I hope you include BPD in the narcissism testing. My mother, an extreme BPD, and she plays victim after she was the perpetrator. We can't get her th help she deeply needs.
3/4 fear responses are listed here, in the video description. fawn is the 4th, and is certainly important - both for victims of abuse and covert narcissists, especially.
If the narcissist is actually taking this assessment test they think pretty highly of themselves and the narcissist I know would not fill it out accurately. He doesn't think he's defensive or dismissive.
@@drdavidbhawkins that's good, because cerebral narc are intelligent and they know what right and wrong. So, even though their behaviour is bad, they will answer differently so you don't pick it up.
@@JessMariaDwyerexactly. They know what is socially acceptable & will answer & act accordingly. That’s how he has everyone tricked. It’s behind closed doors that the mask comes off & the malicious targeting begins.
Narcissistic or not, adults we dont change our personality unless there is some serious threat to our survival. Remember THE DAY THE EARTH STAND STILL? Our whole world is without love and compassion unless we start caring for others or anyone no matter the chances of being better individuals and species
I think I could be a narcissistic or maybe insecure. I do not want to get into any serious Committeed relationship without reflecting upon myself first. I see that i do have a sense of entitlement. I'm from a certain traditional religious society. In our traditional society, marriage is about rights and obligations. That kinda gave me a sense of entitlement along with responsibility. But from my experience, i noticed if i imagine that my right has been violated or honor has been tarnished, i feel triggered. But i noticed that people are not perfect, i have to kinda accept that. I noticed that for me the only main thing that bothers me is when someone would decieve me in a committed relationship.. It's a pain that i felt when i learnt at childhood about my mom Cheating on my father many times. My father Doesn't know or maybe he tries not to know. That gave me a trauma and i grew up with it that how a cheater can act and blend in without getting exposed. I hate my mother a lot as there are other issues between me and her as well. This makes me feel, How injustice is rampant. Thus, i catered to God, as i found religion talking about many good values and i being a religious myself want to have a partner who is also religious. I do have immaturity in term of my emotions. I read a book by david buss on evolutionary psychology. He talked about mate guarding being a natural instinct of a man. I have that instinct and i do see an over-protective nature in me. Although, some amount of protectiveness can be good and it varies among cultures. But i think that aspect in my psychology gives me ocd and bad thought about being a possible victim of a cheating which i mostly got from trauma. I think most of my maturity which i had potential to gain, got destroyed. I wanted to study about oceans and succeeded in my Admission to a Prominent University. But i Couldn't study there as my family intervened for some reasons for which i have bitter relationship with them. My depression, lack of social life which i once had, ocd anxiety based on insecurities, emotional immaturity, family issues, high expectations, entitlement all combinedly made me into something which i Don't even know who am I anymore? Narcissist? Insecure? Anxious? Nihilistic? Highly stressed? Anger issues? .. All of it being intertwined? I think emotional maturity and narcissism are intertwined. I do see an acknowledgment to myself, whenever i criticize someone, i say to myself "this is too much non-evident negative thought about someone. I should stop." But the negative critical thought creates a strong emotion which over powers that mature acknowledgment. I noticed that most of my negative thought or scenes that I experience, makes my mind question "would you have let it slide if it were to happen to you " and then starts my angry rant in my mind. I noticed that most likely people with high moral values and religiosity can have narcissistic tendencies. Not all but many do Have that. I Don't know whether my religionsity is also responsible or my over-judging tendencies are responsible. Or is my insecurity the main Reason.? Regardless, I'm trying my best to improve. I also think that Idealistic people can be narcissistic. That idealism by which people judge, would create this phenomenon of narcissism. I also noticed that too much judgement to others leads the narcissist(maybe me) fall in the same trap to self judgement. I think, I'm doing Erp method where i be in a situation and tolerate those emotional response. Maybe It would reduce the reaction. I think certain egotistical belief about self needs to change, humbling the self is needed. I think there is a balance between self-esteem and sheer ego which must distinctive. It needs to be trained.
What if she is afraid to even suggest that he MIGHT have narcissistic tendencies? Afraid if emotional outburst? How can this topic be gently approached with an immature narcacistic bully?
We're all sick some more than others. The only healing we all need is a good uplift from others, it helps build character. Talking is important but also the way you talk aswell. Firm & calm sounding. Know who & what kind of behavior the person your talking too has. As it is another golden key to helping build & grow great conversations. If someone's naturally a dxck. Just kick em in the ballz
I believe my (now ex) husband is a covert abuser. I felt crazy for 21 years. I tried to talk him into going to the MRC to restore but he will not. I still pray everyday we could restore our marriage but he isn’t willing. 😢
Unfortunately, it often takes hitting rock bottom to realize the need for change in one's life. As we've said before, people change when the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of changing. We pray you will seek healing of your own heart so you can experience fullness of life regardless of what your spouse chooses to do or not do. God bless and Merry Christmas
Normal relationship counselling is not the right place for this kind of abuse. Most marriage counsellors don’t get it unless they have researched this subject and are knowledgeable. I think we have all been through the same thought patterns and tried to take the usual steps that are suggested and this leaves us all even more bewildered than when we first started the whole process. Then one day that lightbulb moment happens by chance and then everything falls into place and the real pain starts when we find out the truth of what has been happening. No one will ever truly understand what you have experienced unless they have had the misfortune of being close to someone with NPD.
@@sw6454 That is very true... I do believe Marriage Recovery Center is a safe place that recognizes and understands emotional abuse. I’m just learning to let go now...
For me it was, I was always praised because i was the only boy, when i got out into the real world and people didnt praise me like my fam did, i fell down the rabbit hole
@@baboys86 been down that road unfortunately, i did hard physical labor to prove to myself i was “manly” I ended up pushing myself to hard and now deal with back pain a lot, Im such a dumbass lol thanks for help tho i can try to engage in my community more
Everybody here is acting (including the doctor) that it is obvious who is the narcist and does wrong.. for me this perspective doesn't help and has some narcissistic tendencies by its own.. I rather prefer to see that we all have narcissistic parts and thst there are many gradients (50 shades of narcissism).. If you poont with your index on somebody else 3 fingers point on you.. I pointed a lot, so please forgive me, I am guilty in the sense of my own accusation.. 😅✌🏼💜
Thanks for your perspective, it's true most of us have some narcissistic tendencies, and even when we use the term narcissist, we are referring to a person who is somewhere on the spectrum. The point we focus on is how to treat behaviors that are harming others and yourself.
@@drdavidbhawkins Thank you very much for your reply! haha, I could get more philosophical and ask, where does doing harm start? Maybe one could differentiate harm that is done intentionally/consciously vs harm that happened unconsciously (and isn't even realized as harm afterwards). Those two categories could both be applied to the "victim" and the "perpetrator"... I really appreciate your approach, and right now I realize that being too much of a sceptic would be hypocritism.. Keep up the good work!
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I feel like this is too hard. When i try to talk to my gf about how i feel it feels like im just talking to her ego or her emotions. Im not having a conversation with a person.
Once the narciist accepts That he is behaving abnormal and from.nexr he behaves as nothing Jada happened that means she will leave it without any thought of that..then.what we should infer
My husband never makes any mistakes. He is always right, I have tried to talk to about things which is getting nowhere, I get hurt every time when I am expressing my feelings. Your methods does not work for me. I need help.
Depending on the severity of the traits, it takes a significant intervention from experienced professionals. Even then, as we have said before, it does not guarantee change, but intervention will reveal the diagnosis and prognosis for change.
How can a narcissist realize they genuinely need help? How does family know the patient is genuinely ready to move forward and regain control over the anger?
For me it was when my narcissim literally was ruining my life. thrown off career path and one day just got tired of my own shit. As for your 2nd part of the question, actions speak louder than words
In all honesty what is said is great if we lived in a perfect world but in reality the narcissist is not going to ever take ownership so it’s best to leave them to destroy their own lives. Of course that will never happen because they didn’t take ownership for the trail of destruction they left behind whilst they were wiping their shoes on you before going onto their next victim.
@@drdavidbhawkins I have spent today feeling suicidal and destroyed whilst my husband of 30 years has a wonderful fun time at his mother’s being waited on as if he’s the King of Entitlement. He left after a violent rage which he has told everyone was my doing and he has now labelled himself the victim and Im his Abuser of years. He’s totally wrecked me as a person and I hate myself for not leaving earlier but he has worn me down over the years and used past vulnerabilities against me until I truly believed I was crazy. So I am not a believer that a person with NPD can ever truly be helped. They are devious people not to be trusted.
@@sw6454 I pray you are in a better place today. I understand your pain completely. Please remember that they are never happy- never content- and never at peace- no matter what their circumstances or outward displays. My ex-husband played the victim too. It’s okay. I am moving forward, forgetting those things which are behind and pressing onward to what God has called me to do. God bless.
I appreciate this too, but it's overly simplistic. Many commentators say narcissism can't even be treated, here we have "three simple steps" which lead to a vague statement about emotional immaturity... Okay, but not very helpful for the self-aware narcissist trying to learn, grow, and change. You (and a number of other doctors) post video after video after video about this, can't you post something more useful for those trying to heal themselves?
You're right in that there's nothing simple about treating narcissism. Our titles are not procured by our clinical team so sorry if it is misleading. We do have some videos that go more into detail about the treatment process. Here is one, but there are many others. czcams.com/video/BamvA8DPp7E/video.html We also have a book coming out this spring called "Doing the Work to End Patterns of Narcissistic and Emotional Abuse" Please subscribe to be notified of it's release.
They can't be treated. They are sadistic and enjoy the upper hand position and hurting their partner and kids way too much. Leave. There is nothing else you can do.
My companion of 15 years is a poster child for narcissism. Abandoned by mom at 2 years, to be raised by an alcoholic dad who was abusive and in jail repeatedly. He wears his pain and anger like a badge of honor. I am so thankful for this video, that doesn't jump to "run away, far and fast".
I swear i think some folks who act extremely against narcissism probably suffer from it themselves. Narcissist play victim too.
I agree with you. I have been surrounded by narcissists most of my life and came to hate them with passion. However I have recently realized how I am also a narcissist. Letting go of the overwhelming anger is challenging but possible.
People like me need to address our insecurities, unlearn the destructive tendencies and embrace our humanity. The cycle of abuse needs to stop.
Agree, I’m a covert narc and find other narcs extremely triggering 😂
Having narcissistic traits and having a Narcissistic personality disorder are two different things.
Most of the narcissistic abuse survivors talk about them being emotionally cos the pain they cause van never be forgotten.. nd lose as well.
Kind of silly. Most people who have been under siege by a narc are consumed with finding peace and not being subjected to the insanity of constant upheaval. Kind of a moronic thought that the people attacked, vilified, and punished by a narc are narcs themselves.
You are correct! You are on point.
I’ve destroyed my life and the lives of others by being a narcissist. I didn’t even know i was one and pointed out how others were. I tear my partner down. They do the work they get strong. They leave. Tired of living like this. She left. I am alone again.
How are you doing? I’m in a similar place hoping he will stay if I change enough but I really struggle to understand him or his perspective or what I should be doing/ not emotionally react or defend nyself
@@imaginationturtle5447Seek a therapist, that would be the best bet. I think it's hard for you to empathize, that's one factor of narcissism. Also, try not to see your partner as some object. He is a person with feelings and etc, try to learn about emotions and etc. Try to be MORE empathizing
Going through the same situation...tired of hurting people close to me.
Wish there was a cure
@@Fury99089I think if you can’t trust ppl then you can’t get too close to them or you will hurt them
I appreciate you!! We need more and more of this exposing this type of abuse and more success with treatment. Because the biggest thought is to always run from these people!
Thank you so much. It is very hard being in a family culture that doesn't discuss anything that might mean someone has to change their behavior. I have been watching this in my family for 70 years. Thank the Lord I have learned a lot about dealing with it.
We applaud your courage for being the one to break the generational bonds and believing you can choose to live differently, as difficult as it will be at first but the freedom that follows will be well worth it.
I think the breakdown of the American family is a highly responsible contributing factor for narcissism epidemic! Children & families are so divorced from a close network of people to create a complex , complete personality!
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing
I tend to agree. I now see it to some degree in my adult children. I think, as a result of the divorce. They were CRUSHED as young children to lose their father and the family union.
Thank you
You mentioned about emotional immaturity, is indicative of childhood traumas, we are stuck at the age of the trauma incident.. hence my point is healing childhood trauma could be one of the steps to help narcissist. Also, our attitudes towards them also impacts on their healing, deep down the narcissist feels they don’t deserve to be loved, and self loathing can be one of the underlying core fears or pain… if we use Compassion to understand where they are coming from, can we help them heal?
Breathe DEEP Breathe SLOW (through the nose)
Experience the emotions and let them go.
Emotional intelligence is connected with breathing and these are the tools the NPD are lacking.
It is not that they are completely lacking in empathy as much as they are cut off from it and replaced it with apathy.
Deep Breathing not only allows for them to reconnect but gives them the tools to cope at the same time.
Narcissison has been rampant these days. YES! Now, can we heal all these issues😢🤔👏 Definitely more INFO. On, these topics😊
Just now after seeing ur video I tried to talk to my husband... His reaction was horrible. I didn't think I will be able to deal with his problem. Or treat it with a doctor. Never he agrees he has been abusive
Feedback and Criticism are two different ends of the spectrum Flying Free
If it wouldn’t be treatable people like Kernberg could throw years of research away. And it’s a difference between narcissistic personality style and the full blown disorder. And today we see that science finds out that narcissists have a close connection to CPTSD… which makes total sense to me. And yes, we all have sometimes those traits. I would like to differentiate. I would leave a N. person, if the person refuses to see a Therapist.
Yes Otto Kernberg is amazing. He is still alife. If one is interested in this topic they should watch Otto first!
The person will not go through assessment they don’t take ownership and they don’t accept there is something wrong they are right always
Yes, most of the people we work with are in that place. They are here as a last resort, or under threat of something they don't want to lose being taken from them.
that's actually not true
I'm one and I want to change..there's not much help out there brother
I will keep fighting to heal my fiance no matter what , i will fight forever
It's not going to be easy path, but hopefully it turns out to be worth it...
I just want to give you one advice, please make sure you involve atleast one or two people with you in this process. So that you don't get so confused and you don't lose your identity while helping your partner.
A close team of two or three will do better job in this.
God bless you
Your doing this because your a codependent he will destroy you in the end 😢
My covert narc brother learned everything of emotions form his ex wife,underwent treatment for some time,divorced her and remarried with more manipulative skills he learnt.i can see the monster but New people around him cannot.
🙏🏼
What about those patients that learn from treatment to wear the mask better ? Is there any stage of treatment that targets or helps prevent or resolve this ?
Great point🎉
Yes this is only what happens after treatment
I wish I could've learn this 11 yrs.😢
Virtually no narcissist (by definition) will ever qualify for the therapy in that case
Do you have any colleagues in the long island New York area that you can recommend?
I completed the assessment from what I believe would be my wife's perspective, and it says that I have "many traits of a narcissist or emotional abuser."
No wonder she didn't come back. It's incredibly painful knowing that I've lost her. There's nothing I can do to change this. She's closed the door.
Reconciliation may no longer be an option, but you can still pursue healing for yourself.
@@drdavidbhawkins I agree. Healing myself is good for everyone.
Hi
Can I ask where the assessment form is?
Thanks
Sir TONS OF THANKS Can you kindly Suggest any GOOD BOOK OVER THE SAME TOPIC PLZZZZZZ
I looked all over your website for the assessment you mentioned and cannot find. Can you provide a direct link?
It is the first thing at the top of the home page, click on the banner image and it will take you to the quiz.
12 Steps?
I hope you include BPD in the narcissism testing. My mother, an extreme BPD, and she plays victim after she was the perpetrator. We can't get her th help she deeply needs.
3/4 fear responses are listed here, in the video description.
fawn is the 4th, and is certainly important - both for victims of abuse and covert narcissists, especially.
How can I directly contact. Dr. Hawkins? My soul yearns to hear from him personally.
The best way is to email info@marriagerecoverycenter.com
If the narcissist is actually taking this assessment test they think pretty highly of themselves and the narcissist I know would not fill it out accurately. He doesn't think he's defensive or dismissive.
Yes, we usually ask that someone else in their life take the assessment for them as well to see how the answers line up (or not line up in most cases)
@@drdavidbhawkins that's good, because cerebral narc are intelligent and they know what right and wrong. So, even though their behaviour is bad, they will answer differently so you don't pick it up.
@@JessMariaDwyerexactly. They know what is socially acceptable & will answer & act accordingly. That’s how he has everyone tricked. It’s behind closed doors that the mask comes off & the malicious targeting begins.
Narcissistic or not, adults we dont change our personality unless there is some serious threat to our survival. Remember THE DAY THE EARTH STAND STILL? Our whole world is without love and compassion unless we start caring for others or anyone no matter the chances of being better individuals and species
I think I could be a narcissistic or maybe insecure. I do not want to get into any serious Committeed relationship without reflecting upon myself first. I see that i do have a sense of entitlement. I'm from a certain traditional religious society. In our traditional society, marriage is about rights and obligations. That kinda gave me a sense of entitlement along with responsibility. But from my experience, i noticed if i imagine that my right has been violated or honor has been tarnished, i feel triggered. But i noticed that people are not perfect, i have to kinda accept that. I noticed that for me the only main thing that bothers me is when someone would decieve me in a committed relationship.. It's a pain that i felt when i learnt at childhood about my mom Cheating on my father many times. My father Doesn't know or maybe he tries not to know. That gave me a trauma and i grew up with it that how a cheater can act and blend in without getting exposed. I hate my mother a lot as there are other issues between me and her as well. This makes me feel, How injustice is rampant.
Thus, i catered to God, as i found religion talking about many good values and i being a religious myself want to have a partner who is also religious.
I do have immaturity in term of my emotions. I read a book by david buss on evolutionary psychology. He talked about mate guarding being a natural instinct of a man. I have that instinct and i do see an over-protective nature in me. Although, some amount of protectiveness can be good and it varies among cultures. But i think that aspect in my psychology gives me ocd and bad thought about being a possible victim of a cheating which i mostly got from trauma.
I think most of my maturity which i had potential to gain, got destroyed. I wanted to study about oceans and succeeded in my Admission to a Prominent University. But i Couldn't study there as my family intervened for some reasons for which i have bitter relationship with them.
My depression, lack of social life which i once had, ocd anxiety based on insecurities, emotional immaturity, family issues, high expectations, entitlement all combinedly made me into something which i Don't even know who am I anymore? Narcissist? Insecure? Anxious? Nihilistic? Highly stressed? Anger issues? .. All of it being intertwined?
I think emotional maturity and narcissism are intertwined. I do see an acknowledgment to myself, whenever i criticize someone, i say to myself "this is too much non-evident negative thought about someone. I should stop." But the negative critical thought creates a strong emotion which over powers that mature acknowledgment. I noticed that most of my negative thought or scenes that I experience, makes my mind question "would you have let it slide if it were to happen to you " and then starts my angry rant in my mind. I noticed that most likely people with high moral values and religiosity can have narcissistic tendencies. Not all but many do Have that. I Don't know whether my religionsity is also responsible or my over-judging tendencies are responsible. Or is my insecurity the main Reason.? Regardless, I'm trying my best to improve.
I also think that Idealistic people can be narcissistic. That idealism by which people judge, would create this phenomenon of narcissism. I also noticed that too much judgement to others leads the narcissist(maybe me) fall in the same trap to self judgement.
I think, I'm doing Erp method where i be in a situation and tolerate those emotional response. Maybe It would reduce the reaction. I think certain egotistical belief about self needs to change, humbling the self is needed. I think there is a balance between self-esteem and sheer ego which must distinctive. It needs to be trained.
You are a narc and you are abusive
What if she is afraid to even suggest that he MIGHT have narcissistic tendencies? Afraid if emotional outburst? How can this topic be gently approached with an immature narcacistic bully?
How about healing root causes of childhood traumas, on a subconscious level through hypnosis?
I’ve tried to do this with a Narcissist friend but he would only do a few sessions.. too painful to go back I think
We're all sick some more than others. The only healing we all need is a good uplift from others, it helps build character. Talking is important but also the way you talk aswell. Firm & calm sounding. Know who & what kind of behavior the person your talking too has. As it is another golden key to helping build & grow great conversations.
If someone's naturally a dxck. Just kick em in the ballz
I love your comment more than anyone else's even mine. You are a gem and so positive.
I believe my (now ex) husband is a covert abuser. I felt crazy for 21 years. I tried to talk him into going to the MRC to restore but he will not. I still pray everyday we could restore our marriage but he isn’t willing. 😢
Unfortunately, it often takes hitting rock bottom to realize the need for change in one's life. As we've said before, people change when the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of changing. We pray you will seek healing of your own heart so you can experience fullness of life regardless of what your spouse chooses to do or not do. God bless and Merry Christmas
Normal relationship counselling is not the right place for this kind of abuse. Most marriage counsellors don’t get it unless they have researched this subject and are knowledgeable. I think we have all been through the same thought patterns and tried to take the usual steps that are suggested and this leaves us all even more bewildered than when we first started the whole process. Then one day that lightbulb moment happens by chance and then everything falls into place and the real pain starts when we find out the truth of what has been happening. No one will ever truly understand what you have experienced unless they have had the misfortune of being close to someone with NPD.
@@sw6454 That is very true... I do believe Marriage Recovery Center is a safe place that recognizes and understands emotional abuse. I’m just learning to let go now...
Can this disorder be caused by a child being over indulged and over praised as a child?
Yes
For me it was, I was always praised because i was the only boy, when i got out into the real world and people didnt praise me like my fam did, i fell down the rabbit hole
@@LB-od8ey try to engage with genuine social causes, and do things that require hard physical work, you will be amazed how it will clear your head...
@@baboys86 been down that road unfortunately, i did hard physical labor to prove to myself i was “manly” I ended up pushing myself to hard and now deal with back pain a lot, Im such a dumbass lol thanks for help tho i can try to engage in my community more
Everybody here is acting (including the doctor) that it is obvious who is the narcist and does wrong.. for me this perspective doesn't help and has some narcissistic tendencies by its own.. I rather prefer to see that we all have narcissistic parts and thst there are many gradients (50 shades of narcissism).. If you poont with your index on somebody else 3 fingers point on you.. I pointed a lot, so please forgive me, I am guilty in the sense of my own accusation.. 😅✌🏼💜
Thanks for your perspective, it's true most of us have some narcissistic tendencies, and even when we use the term narcissist, we are referring to a person who is somewhere on the spectrum. The point we focus on is how to treat behaviors that are harming others and yourself.
@@drdavidbhawkins Thank you very much for your reply! haha, I could get more philosophical and ask, where does doing harm start? Maybe one could differentiate harm that is done intentionally/consciously vs harm that happened unconsciously (and isn't even realized as harm afterwards). Those two categories could both be applied to the "victim" and the "perpetrator"...
I really appreciate your approach, and right now I realize that being too much of a sceptic would be hypocritism.. Keep up the good work!
Where is your center?
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I feel like this is too hard. When i try to talk to my gf about how i feel it feels like im just talking to her ego or her emotions. Im not having a conversation with a person.
My husband won't even accept that he is emotionally abusive
This is the same as my husband. Quite abusive and never accepting. I am struggling to figure out what should I do.
@@tahirariaz8506You should leave him. You are hurting yourself and your kids by staying.
Once the narciist accepts That he is behaving abnormal and from.nexr he behaves as nothing Jada happened that means she will leave it without any thought of that..then.what we should infer
My husband never makes any mistakes. He is always right, I have tried to talk to about things which is getting nowhere, I get hurt every time when I am expressing my feelings. Your methods does not work for me. I need help.
Depending on the severity of the traits, it takes a significant intervention from experienced professionals. Even then, as we have said before, it does not guarantee change, but intervention will reveal the diagnosis and prognosis for change.
Self-estime, self love, divorce. No contact . Save yourself! When you deal with an narcisist ,he is not human buy evil demons dark forces in him.
How can a narcissist realize they genuinely need help? How does family know the patient is genuinely ready to move forward and regain control over the anger?
For me it was when my narcissim literally was ruining my life. thrown off career path and one day just got tired of my own shit. As for your 2nd part of the question, actions speak louder than words
In all honesty what is said is great if we lived in a perfect world but in reality the narcissist is not going to ever take ownership so it’s best to leave them to destroy their own lives. Of course that will never happen because they didn’t take ownership for the trail of destruction they left behind whilst they were wiping their shoes on you before going onto their next victim.
No, not on their own. Our programs are for people who have opened the door (even just a crack) for us to step in and help them get to that place.
@@drdavidbhawkins I have spent today feeling suicidal and destroyed whilst my husband of 30 years has a wonderful fun time at his mother’s being waited on as if he’s the King of Entitlement. He left after a violent rage which he has told everyone was my doing and he has now labelled himself the victim and Im his Abuser of years. He’s totally wrecked me as a person and I hate myself for not leaving earlier but he has worn me down over the years and used past vulnerabilities against me until I truly believed I was crazy. So I am not a believer that a person with NPD can ever truly be helped. They are devious people not to be trusted.
@@sw6454 I pray you are in a better place today. I understand your pain completely. Please remember that they are never happy- never content- and never at peace- no matter what their circumstances or outward displays. My ex-husband played the victim too. It’s okay. I am moving forward, forgetting those things which are behind and pressing onward to what God has called me to do. God bless.
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but he won't go for treatment.........
I appreciate this too, but it's overly simplistic. Many commentators say narcissism can't even be treated, here we have "three simple steps" which lead to a vague statement about emotional immaturity... Okay, but not very helpful for the self-aware narcissist trying to learn, grow, and change. You (and a number of other doctors) post video after video after video about this, can't you post something more useful for those trying to heal themselves?
You're right in that there's nothing simple about treating narcissism. Our titles are not procured by our clinical team so sorry if it is misleading. We do have some videos that go more into detail about the treatment process. Here is one, but there are many others. czcams.com/video/BamvA8DPp7E/video.html We also have a book coming out this spring called "Doing the Work to End Patterns of Narcissistic and Emotional Abuse" Please subscribe to be notified of it's release.
U have 2 truly want it?😮😮😮
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I worry for some professionals who think they can “treat” NPD, and especially malignant narcissists. I hope they do not become victims someday.
He seems unhinged.
They can't be treated. They are sadistic and enjoy the upper hand position and hurting their partner and kids way too much. Leave. There is nothing else you can do.
That's your problem. I truly am sorry, but don't try to make other peoples situations the same as yours. There is hope for some.
Bunch of hurt women in the comments