Pro Nuzlocker Ranks The Hardest Elite Four Members
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Which one of the "Free" Elite Four members did you struggle with the most? You know what you surely won't struggle with though?
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For me, it was shauntal
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@@TheDiamondMaskBSS lost my swanna to her
Marshall was harder because of that
Lucian, that fucking gallade caught me off guard
“Karen can be a problem”
Said literally all managers.
Lol. And if your character is named Manager, she's a guaranteed run killer for that.
@@superlombax1561 i regret doing that during my nuzlock,i named myself manager and i almost got wiped to karen lol,luckily i have ice beam from lanturn in my lance fight,only one standing was espeon and lanturn lol
No one thought this joke before you, definitely xd
😂😂
Jokes aside I watch a fair amount of challenge run videos and Karen is almost universally feared and loathed
"Glacia, you probably won't lose to her"
Unless you're attempt #77
His sleep paralysis demon along with drake
This comment right here.
he rateted every one based on main series games not rom hacks
he rateted every one based on main series games not rom hacks
@@blancspaze Really? No shit.
“She can swing my golf club”
Ah, a Kahili enjoyer
"The hardest part of the Olivia fight is, umm... nevermind."
"This professor, I wanna touch his abs"
A true man of culture.
@@necrobonesgaming2424 Alola feeding us well
"*moan* oh fuck Karens so hot god dammit"
I see there is a best moments thread, nice.
Wasn't she underage in his waifu tier?
hm, yes, i don't do nuzlockes, but this guy is weirdly entertaining
Same
Same
this is such a weird comment wtf
Can relate.
The most relatable comment
I've had 5 runs make it to Platinum Cynthia and I've had 5 runs die to Platinum Cynthia. With hardcore nuzlocke rules in mind I can't really think of a more daunting fight in all of vanilla Pokemon.
May I have a moment to talk about the lord of light, Ultra Necrozma?
Without Zoroark or Malamar, UN can and will drop a fucking nuke on you.
i've honestly been debating whether i think Cynthia or Ghetsis (BW1) is the hardest fight. i've had loads of trouble with both of them.
@@Anand70707 adaptive damage isn’t scary at all for anyone that’s ever played a Fire Emblem game. It’s super easy to play around, and fairy types, especially mixed defensive fairy types with Toxic, Substitute and Protect, laugh at UN. I had a Malamar for that fight, and I didn’t bring him in because I had a bulky Primarina and I just Moonblasted it to death while it tried desperately to AD and Smart Strike her to death, which didn’t work out so well since my Primarina was able to 3 shot, needed to take 3 shots before dying and was faster. Decidueye and Mimikyu are also easy counters. They have ghost coverage and Mimikyu’s got Disguise for easy Toxic.
@@reaperofthings I mean if you have to literally pick your starter specifically to be able to beat one Pokemon that's hours away from the start of the game I think that means it's not as easy as you think it is, also mimikyu is not a common encounter
@@measnek1052 Primarina takes care of all 4 Kahuna and most of the trials solo. That’s not picking your starter to sweep ONE thing, that’s counter picking pretty much the entire game
Also, Mimikyu isn’t a common encounter, true. But i’ve caught one every time I went through the abandoned Pokemart. Usually as my first encounter. Luck plays a large part sure, but if you pick Primarina, you basically win
Not gonna lie, forgot this was the main channel and pChal Daily was a side channel.
Pchal daily isnt his maim channel?
Nope lol
TRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Ah yes, the Pokémon Professors
- Oak
- Elm
- Birch
- Rowan
- Juniper
- Sycamore
- I Wanna Touch His Abs
- Magnolia
they started a trend in gen 5 of hot proffesors then stopped it in gen 8 :( doesnt pass the vibe check
@@silvergameryair2084 Nah, Sonia is also a prof in gen 8 so they still got the streak going
“Hot professors” when Elm isn’t right there smh
Sonia definitely passes the vibe check
@@silvergameryair2084 busted many nuclear bombs because of sonia wym
One thing to note about the Gen 7 E4 and champion is that their teams are ev trained, which can make things go from tricky to "holy fuck that Magnezone is destroying me, help".
The hardest is clearly Brock, he just so hard all the time
It's true I looked it up
Oh
Brock has a very hard snake
And it isn't his Onix
Pure rock hard determination
"You're hot, but not as hot as Brock"
The gen 5 elite 4 in bw2 challenge mode get so much harder. More items, and also Caitlin becomes a run killer because of life orb metagross.
The problem is that Zoroark still sweeps through both Caitlin and Shauntal. Ban that mon and you’re right
@@largenaq2935 nah zoroark can’t handle life orb metagross. Also in challenge mode shauntaul’s chandelure has a choice scarf which makes it faster than zoroark who it can OHKO with fire blast.
@@harry-mb4sn I’m talking from experience though. I EV trained my Zoroark in speed and spatk, and because it has nearly perfect IVs with a +speed nature it outspeeds scarf Chandelure. Combined with Nasty Plot + Dark Pulse + Flamethrower, it swept through both Shauntal and Caitlin.
@@largenaq2935 yeah but generally I ban ev’s from runs. They make everything way too easy. Bulky mons become insanely op.
@@largenaq2935 well zoroark can't win you agaisnt dark and fighting.... So for the rest of the 5 you a haxorus ,emboar, (if lucky) then excadrill+ krookadile(get sandstorm up) , or hydreigon ...
Like kinda limits your team if you don't get the encounters sorted..
Then again no rock types mean volcarona can hard counter caitlin and also grimsley
To be honest...
I'm so happy to see someone else that thinks that Iris is harder than Steven.
I think Iris is harder than Cynthia tbf
Imagine having life orb/sheer force instead of sitrus berry/no ability
@@bvd_vlvd I don't really think that.Maybe she is harder in Challenge Mode,but I don't know.
It's probably because many people see "Oh, she just has dragon types. I can probably sweep with a Vanilluxe or something" and not realize how bulky and strong her pokemon actually are.
@@ToonCaliOfGreatness Plus she's literally got two checks to ice types in lapras and aggron built into her team. Archeops can outspeed and KO any ice type easily as well. water is actually her biggest counter bc it resists most of her STABs or is supereffective and most water types get an ice type move.
@@greyscaleadaven Correction, Fighting is Iris biggest counter, all 3 of her mons are weak to fighting and if you get a Lucario then you will likely have a counter for 4 of her mons. The Durigon is weak overall stat wise but with life orb and sheer force, it can be a problem for you team
He sounds so disappointed. “I cant believe that’s the one that got you.”
The deadpan monotone makes it so much better, its like he monotoned his usual monotone.
I dunno he sounds like he's trying to push people away with literally every sentence...
Makes content..shares with world...tells world I hate you...then says enjoy my content...but don't talk to me....
Hit Subscribe ......but Im not reading your comments they're worthless
It's like he's trying to Neg his audience .....
@@micabryant4513 Yeah some people like that kind of thing. I can only handle it in moderation. Usually I only watch his nuzlocke reviews, and only if I watched the original nuzlocke.
I personally think it would be cool if the elite 4 were more strategy themed rather than type themed. Working on trying to make an Emerald ROM where Sydney is a Baton Pass team, Phoebe is a stall team, Glacia is a Sun team (Look... Hail isn't that great and there is already a Water type specialist in the 8th gym), and Drake is a hyper offensive trainer
Koga is strategy themed
If you count spamming double team and minimise as strategy
Agreed. Type specialties at this level is dumb. Heck at gym level most of the vanilla games you basically sweep every one of these with one pokemon... Little to zero type variety and too many overlapping weaknesses.. The literal only gym leader in vanilla that does have a kinda balanced team is Piers in SwSh. A game that did gyms nice was Insurgence.. Cool strats, type variety and good movesets
You could change Glacia into stall and use Hail Stall, making use of all the turns granted by Snow Cloak, Sub + Ice Body etc. Could even use Sheer Cold as a proper wincon rather than throwing it once before dying and praying it lands. Phoebe could then be themed after status and trickery ala GSC Koga. Just food for thought~
But yeah it's really disappointing that the Elite 4 aren't themed. Gen 2 Koga is legit the only one with a coherent practical theme (not shit like "beauty" or "power" like bitch gimme a challenge not a life lesson, leave THOSE themes to gym leaders and rivals). He's all about taking the game out of your control - preventing or punishing switches with status/spikes, preventing you from landing attacks with double team/minimize, nerfing healing by using toxic's scaling damage. It's one of the most well thought out E4 teams, it's just a shame that a) there weren't many good bug/poison types at that point so they're all shitmons that lose to any fire move, and b) the AI just spams Double Team instead of actually doing what the team's supposed to.
...Rematch team is kinda ass though. Drops the Forretress so he has no spikes, leads with his only answer to psychic moves (which also explodes anyway), and Muk doesn't even have a fucking attack????? Literally has minimize/screech/swagger/toxic - WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE SCREECH WHEN YOU CAN'T ATTACK?! Pretty clear that whoever worked on him in HGSS had no clue what made Koga the way he was, just copy pasted the GSC team for round 1 and slapped on some gen 3/4 mons and random moves for round 2.
I’ve thought about this for years and it is such a good idea. You shouldn’t be able to potentially sweep one of the 4 best trainers in any given region with one type. Gyms I think type specialty is fine but elite 4 should be things like weather and/or various battle types like double or triple battles
The issue is that the AI is usually not very good with strategies, so GF would have to invest in improving the E4 AI at least. And even then, they'll probably be very cheesable.
That's why EK is all about coverage and high offensive, that's what pokemon AI kind of know how to do well.
I think the drake joke with Travis Scott was just a way to get more comments, pretty smart
nah thats a video of a guy screaming “DRAKE!!!!” when travis scott appears during the fortnite concert
@@joshreynolds588 ooooohhhhh ok so it’s just people doing what people do on fortnite, be stupid
He need da algorithm dud
I haven’t even watched the video yet but ur comment baited me
Man it’s hard for Fortnite to be mentioned without a negative stereotype popping out, even if the context is ironic, or not.
Poor Sydney, guy was so ahead of his time. If only he’d come just one Gen later, he might’ve been a threat
now we need a mommy dommie tier list jan
He already made a tier list a couple months ago
S tier
Claire
Juniper
Glacia
Cynthia
he made one
its called the pokemon waifu tier list i think
Theres a pokemon waifu tier list from 2 years back
Finally someone recognize Iris as a hard champion.
The only sucky member she has is Aggron, but everything else can sweep you tbh. The fact that she LEADS with a Hydreigon speaks volumes.
@@rjante2236 Iris be like "Let's have some fun with this battle! *Iris send out an Hydreigon.* "
@@zekapaugordinho.6577 Meanwhile, somewhere in the world, the protagonist from Black and White 1 cries out in agony
@@rjante2236 not even aggron is sucky. I mean probably her weakest link (besides maybe Archeops since if you don’t do half you’re doing something wrong) but still not too bad
@@michaellogozzo2073 It dies to basically any Water move, to be fair. It would be hard to NOT have a Water type.
"The 5th gen elite four is pretty easy"
Me: -after doing the rematch in challenge mode in B2/W2- ... *Are you sure about that?*
Try to beat it in the challenge mode of Pokemon BLAZE Black 2 :D
@@miguelbarbosa7597 I fuck with Drayano's hacks so hard, holy shit.
So many of the things he said I had to stop myself from mentioning Drayano's versions of those fights, like the ORAS E4 all having Megas.
@@perrycarters3113 I didn't even know he had made a hack rom of ORAS. I've tried to nuzlocke Volt White and Volt White 2. At the first one I needed 11 attempts just to beat the first gym, just to get demolished by Lenora right after. I did better at the second one, but Clay totally wiped out my team with only 2 of his mons ;-;
@@miguelbarbosa7597 Cheren in Blaze Black 2, especially on Challenge Mode, is fucking *murderous* in my opinion. Your only options for super effective damage that early is to either overlevel Tepig into Pignite or to somehow get unbelievably lucky and find/catch a Riolu, Mankey, or Tyrogue, and none of them are likely to sweep his entire team.
@@perrycarters3113 In my first nuzlocke attempt, as lucky as it seems, the first pokemon I found in Flochessy Ranch was a Riolu. I just grinded it up until lvl 15 (so it would learn Force Palm) and then wiped out Cheren's entire team. However, it was on Normal Mode, I'd probably have been defeated if played on Challenge Mode :/
Klefki is super effective against all of Dianthas pokemon except gourgeist. And you just set up calm mind on goirgeist.
who would win?
a ferocious tyrannosaurus-rex, a graceful Brachiosaurus, a magical knight, a wrestler
or
a pair of keys
Lol I didn't even realize cuz Klefki is so bad usually
@@synthdott7954 Actually Klefki is 5 keys.
Mawile have Crunch tho
@@emiledewilde4112 Prankster is nice
Jrose11's "Can you beat Pokemon Red/Blue with just a _____" challenges are where Agatha truly shines. No other elite four member has caused him nearly so much pain. I've watched so many of his videos that seeing Bruno above her is hard to stomach XD
When you can switch around against her low damage Pokemon to break confusion and mitigate sleep she's a joke. When you're going solo the Agatha Lottery gets to ruin your day if even one thing goes wrong.
My toxic trait is thinking I could beat the “free” tier with ease even though I’ve never done a Nuzlocke in my life
i’ve never seen a tiktok comment in the wild before
@@adachy I’m gonna be honest I didn’t think this was a Tiktok “thing”. I saw it in a comment and thought “that’s funny wording” and it’s occurred to me that no one else thinks it’s funny 😰
@@entr3_nou5 nah it’s fine
I mean I beat Cynthia on my firt nuzlocke so you shouldn't have too much trouble with the free and meh tier trainers.
@@aroyalduck167 for real? Damn
Always thought Iris wasn’t hard at all until I wiped to her in my Hardcore run of White 2 the day after this video came out 💀
"Karen has nothing that can threaten you"
bro i have a hard time beating her Nasty Plot Houndoom when im doing a regular playthrough lol
It has 50 defense, and 75 hp.
@@treasuremage7546 it's pretty speedy plus level curve makes it pretty difficult (if the E4 were like gen 5 where every E4 member have same level Pokemon then it would have been easy). I actually lost to Karen multiple times in my first play though in soul silver. If you don't have a good water type or ground type it's quite difficult.
It also two shots a lot of things, which spells trouble in set mode.
@@treasuremage7546 Understand when all your pokemon are level 40 cause you're playing off the original cart with no speedup options it can be painful.
Plus I didn't use a water type (No particular reason other than wanting to challenge myself and wanting to use other pokemon) with my ground type being ice it gave me alot of trouble.
Funnily enough Lance was a breeze
Destiny Bond Gengar can be pretty scary, too. Sure, you might not wipe to that considering the nature of Destiny Bond, but it can definitely sabotage you bigtime.
Pro Nuzlocker Ranks how hard the Elite Four Members make him.
Any tier list that puts Cynthia at the top is a good tier list.
Not just hardest E4 member, she's also just the coolest Champion of all time.
The same one that forgets her change at the ice cream stand?
@@bullymaguire6388 The most relatable one too. They gave her everything!
I mean, I dunno... Steven's pretty freaking badass with his solid steel cuffs
@@diegoxavier9107 I agree. Cynthia's a queen but I like Steven more.
Cynthia is cool, but Steven is cooler cmm
I didn’t start trying nuzlockes until recently, since I’ve enjoyed watching this channel.
My first nuzlocke was in Sword, and I lost to Leon. His haxorus landed three crits in a row to take out half of my team, and charizard finished the rest.
F in the chat
Rip, so sad to see dying to the champ, haxorus is very dangerous if ur not careful
Yeah. People don't realize how strong Haxorus actually is. It's on the low end of speed when it comes to sweepers and isn't particularly bulky so it loses to other sweepers but Haxorus has stupide high attack. Like it has 2 more base attack than Mega Salamence. Leon is a really strong Champion with a diverse team and a high level spike from the previous battles.
@@bdf1006 fun fact: Haxorus has the highest attack of all non legendary dragons, so with a dragon dance to compensate his speed it can complete sweep
@@tomasapud8240 Trust me. I know Haxorus is my favorite Pokemon and I've swept people in tournaments if they let me setup. That's the issue though is the set up. I have also done well with a scarf Haxorus though
Aaron's Drapion is real scary in BDSP. He buffed the crit chance a lot so the Sniper ability can take you down. If he crits, a pokémon will likely die
facts😢 i needed a lvl 70+ to beat his drapion. then i lost to cynthia at the final battle😢😢😢 on her last pokemon 😢
Ah, so THIS is why we didn't get a Friday upload on the daily channel
I was wondering about that. And at such a vital time in the most promising run too
My dude I was here since 10k lol, you have grown so much so fast, and getting sponsored. Congats!
I just finished an Emerald hc run. If you don't have an electric type I can see Wallace being an issue. I had an Electrode so he was a cake walk.
Yep that was me a week ago the only mon on my team that knew an electric type move was my alakazam that had shock wave. It went down to his whischash EQ then I foolishly let his Gyarados set up three dragon dances. Then he Hyper beam swept me
It probably depends on level caps. Without overleveling any non beaten e4 member and only using non farmed rare candies, i can say wallace is pretty hard. His Milotic was impossible to kill. I had Ludi, but milo could easily stall the 8 giga drains and i needed to save for whishcash (i accidently overleveled my manectric and i lost tenta before e4, rip). I ended up losing 5 mons against him and i won with my ludi thanks to a crit.
As i said again, it probably depends on level caps and weather you can stall out Milo or 2hko it before it can start spamming recover
Steven is also pretty hard, but your starter can contribute in beating metagross much more than what it can do against most of Wallace mons (except sceptile ofc).
Yeah, I also just finished an hc Emerald Nuzlocke and Wallace indeed can be a bit tedious without electric types. I had to use a tbolt Gyarados. But then I got lucky and could sweep with Ddance Return on Gyara, so it depends... I actually also did the post game Steven fight, which was pretty damn hard as well
Same here, except I used it for his first two Pokémon, lured Whiscash in, and then used it as setup bait for Gyarados
“Agatha is free”
Jrose: *And I took that personally*
Jan: I can't think of any threats on Kogas team.
Me: Has self destructing Wheezing flashbacks
God I hate his Kamikaze Koffings and Weezings.
I personally had a fair bit of trouble with karen on my heartgold playthrough (which wasn't a nuzlocke btw). her houndoom was very difficult to defeat, it has nasty plot in that game. each time it was able to set up nasty plot, I lost, it just 1-shot all of my pokemon.
It has like 50 Def. Almost any Ground or Water type kills it. Hell, a Sandslash OK's it with Earthquake.
And even if your slower, I'm pretty sure you get a Choice Scarf in this game, right?
@@hughmann8458 I think the issue might have been that I was usually not on a pokemon effective against houndoom by the time it was sent out? I don't remember exactly though, it's been a while.
choice scarf is only from the player's mom, which I think is rng? not sure, haven't looked into the mechanics that much, but I'm assuming it's random.
either way, I eventually turned her off since not having half of my money was causing some issues with items, I couldn't buy much. I wasn't doing a nuzlocke anyway so it didn't really matter whether I got items like a choice scarf or not.
If Ghetsis is was on this list, I think he'd go into run killer. I'm not sure if this was my own experience when I played white 1, but I feel like that Hydreigon can give Cynthia's Garchomp a run for its money. It's coverage is just so insane.
Well this aged badly lol.
Imo, some of these are really dependant on the resources you have to face them, like, 5 out of the 6 mons from Lance´s team drop to a water type with ice beam, which is far from being hard to obtain; a decent Blaziken can obliterate Glacia and so on. Point is, while there are arguably trainers that are inherently harder than others, the hardest of fights can be easily won if you have the right tools, while the easiest of them can suddenly become a challenge if you dont.
Glacia's weaknesses really vary by Gen. She's weaker to Blaziken in gen6 when she has 2 Frosslass instead of 2 Sealeo, but in Gen3 you needed something electric to help with her.
I swear that (pre-gen 5) the first 2 E4 members are not supposed to be tricky. They’re just appetisers, softening you up before the main event. The difficulty comes from the fact you have already been weakened by the first 2.
In many ways, choosing the order to fight them reduces their impact as now they all offer the same levels, and do not scale.
I defo agree with Steven in top tier. Mega metagross made me use an embarrassing amount of healing items
15:58 this flew over everyone's heads didn't it XD
thanks for the laugh, instant sub
I just wanted you to say Cynthia free moving on, with no explanation.
Well if you what you're doing but that means everyone's free.
Lucian was pretty hard in D/P, especially since I didn't pick Infernape and it's hard to beat a wall that's only weak to fire without decent fire types.
No kidding I got lucky thanks to my torterra landing a crit crunch. That thing wouldn’t die
He has calm mind High spdef and potions.
On even level,bad idea
I had to get my empoleon at level 66 to defeat that thing lol
Jan couldn't even think of an intro starter before.
I'm so proud for him :)
Jan: I don't understand why they made a water type champion for emerald.
"Too much water" - IGN
It's because torchic was way too good in ruby and saphire compared to the other 2 starters.
@@kiwikarp9509 that's not true LMAO. Swampert is the best of the 3
@@takeru2447 Blaziken line had type advantage against more of the bosses in the game compared to the other two. Swampert has more stats, but that's about it.
@@kiwikarp9509 about overall, all gyms, boss fights, grunts and e4, swampert deal with all of them and does good into Steven and decently into Wallace. That's why hes the best.
Too much water is a legit criticism idc what anyone wants to meme on
This tier list slowly devolved into deciding the horniest character designs
Gen 8 is pretty easy but Leon is surprisingly hard. It’s actually well built like wtf the game is baby easy then a good champion
That’s because of the sudden level spike. It’s like they built him around the assumption that the exp share would be op and over level your pokemon….. but nobody else in the game is.
No wonder he's the undefeated champion
I beat Leon in my Sword Nuzlocke earlier this year with only two Pokemon surviving. Genuinely thought I wasn't gonna win
took me 3 attempts to beat him, but i sweeped through literally everything else in the game. (it was my first pokemon game)
I agree with this. He’s still not the hardest champion, but I did lose to him my first time. Pretty tough fight.
I lost my BDSP Nuzlocke to Cynthia, and then planned insanely for my second one, and wound up sweeping her with an Absol (Swords Dance, Sucker Punch, and Focus Energy + super luck ability)
Caitlyn is terrifying if you don't have a solid counter for her. She just does a ridiculous amount of damage if you let her.
It'd be interesting to play a tripple threat sort of ROM with the three run killers in a random order or something
definitely the hardest thing about fighting olivia is beating her with one hand
Yikes
Yikes
Yikes
based
@@appleonshoe845 By definition, no.
The gen 6 e4 was insane how easy it was I've never seen anything like that. Even the garbage levels of johto, are harder than kalos e4
I would really like to see more videos like the one you did with mistic umbreon. I know it obvously is not easy to make a best general team in a nuzlocke because it has to be made with only static or likely encounters.
Gen 7's bosses, including the E4/Champion, are EV Trained so that is where the difficulty can come from there. Still not too bad overall though.
The persona music makes me happy
Love the pokemon rescue team town theme music
I struggled with Acerola in my moon Nuzlocke. Also having Grimsly with his Moxie Scrafty as my final elite four in my first ever White run was hard. I think Glacia should have been higher than Drake. You can ice beam everything but the Kingdra for Drake, easily.
cynthia and iris are really fun to plan around
I think Leon it’s honestly free, as long as your playing the game as intended. His team is really fucking strong, but by the time you get there your Pokémon will be 10-15 levels above his so you can just sweep with whatever sword dance thing you have, and this happens even in normal (not hardcore) nuzlockes
During one of my nuzlockes, Cynthia's garchomp wasnt really a threat, took care of it with little struggle. The problem was her lucario. Her spiritomb crit my main attacker for her pretty hard at the start so i couldnt set up without losing it, letting her lucario set up instead practically wipe me with aura sphere.
If you get RNG'd into a Kukui that uses the Stealth Rock/Whirlwind strat, he can give you trouble.
jan hands down has the best sponsor transitions, most other youtubers just go "before we start the video let me thank our sponsor..." but jan's are always actually thought out and well done. props
On my first vanilla playthrough of Moon, I actually found the game to be kind of hard because I never bothered with the Super Training mechanic. As a result, I went into the Elite 4 under leveled by 10 levels average. Kahili in particular was especially tough, especially that stupid Toucannon. It took me 15 tries to beat her.
I was embarrassed that I lost to Guzma at the Aether foundation at least 7 times, considering that he’s a joke character.
How do you get vanilla moon?
Well it's obviously Trace, he has 3 moves on all his pokemon1!1!11!
HEY
„The hardest thing about the Olivia fight is uhm…“
We all know what he meant 😏
Her rock type Pokemon. What else could he mean? 🙄
Omg this video was so entertaining.and educational! I love this channel.
I fell openly attacked. Yesterday I managed to finally beat my BW hardcore nuzlocke and Zoroark just cant sweep on it's own Shauntal's team cuz they are too bulky to be one shot with night slash.
And most pokemon are absolutely scared of Chandelure's Fire Blast, bar Flash Fire Chandelure, wich you may not get.
Anyways, good video and good luck to anyone nuzlocking out there, may the crits be ever in your favour.
I agree, Shauntal's team is deceptively bulky, especially when you lack options outside of zoroark to deal with her, which gets knocked over by a light breeze.
@@greyscaleadaven you can set up on her first Pokemon and then sweep easily. That's what I did atleast
@@l1me_y Fair but not when you get willoed, gotta have a way of dealing with that if you're going physical sweeper. I'd say bisharp or mandibuzz do this well bc they wall her coverage but you really lack options outside of that in specifically BW.
I found them all way more challenging than I found the gen 4 elite four like I have no idea how those can be considered mostly free and gen 4 aren’t
Btw, how do you hardcore nuzlocke ultra sun and moon? How did you go about imitating the matching the gym leader's number of pokemon for trials? I'm very curious about that as I want to try it haha.
Caitlin and Shauntal are very decent, they pack a mixture of fast attackers and bulky mons that make it hard to sweep them if you don't bring dedicated sweepers.
I think the issue is the abundance of Dark and Ghost types in gen 5. At least compared to other generations. Bisharp, Krookodile, Scrafty, Mandibuzz, Cofagrigus, Golurk, Chandelure, etc.
@@hughmann8458 yup, exactly; I just completed a hardcore nuzlocke of black 2 and if you have a ghost type and dark type (I had Chandelure and Weavile), you might not even need to plan about anything.
Marshall is a bit tricky, as most of his Pokémon won't die in one hit and are able to but hard (Throh, Sawk, Conkeldurr) and Mienshao is a glass canon.
Iris is the only fight in the league you need to plan quite thoughtfully.
I struggled with all of the gen 5 elite 4 but they are so much fun
Man the PMD 2 music I literally got thrown to my childhood remembering just enjoying my days and nit worrying about career and wiping out at the forest as I was Phanpy and my partner was Totodile
"I think diantha is a tough fight"
My good man, may I suggest a bisharp?
...does the Bisharp also fit into a team that has to cover 4 other trainers in extreme conditions, or did you forget this is in the context of a Nuzlocke elite 4 run
If you have the type advantage, most of the fights are free. Only the ones that have good type coverage don't fold to you having super effective moves against their type. I think it would be more interesting to tier the fights assuming you don't just have a pokemon that sweeps their team, or you should at least try to reason why you should have a sweep available to justify them being free.
For instance, Caitlyn is definitely not free if you don't have strong super effective moves. Her team is very bulky and hits really hard. Compare this to Koga from gen 2, whose entire team can't deal any damage to you and the only threat is double team spamming.
I think that it would be weird to rank it that way. In Gen5 you get easy access to some really good dark-types, like scrafty, krookodile, zoroark, drapian or even ghost-types like chandelure, jellicent and cofagrigus. Making it extreemly likely that you have some kind of awnser for Caitlyn. On the other hand, you have like steven's metagross which in Gen3 has almost no answers, because even the available fire and ground types kinda suck and can't deal with it or are unlikely to encounter. In a vacuum Caitlyn would be pretty good or even a run-killer in Gen3, but in Gen5 she is way easier to deal with.
I don't think she is free, some of her pokemon are kind of scary and have some great coverage, but you just get so many options.
Lucian: *Laughs in Magic Guard Life Orb Alakazam.*
I remember my first run through Emerald back in the day.
Beating the champion with struggle at like 4am as my grandfathers sleep apnea wakes him up and gets mad at me for still being awake…good times, good times.
The episode where Jan is down horrendous
“And Drakeee”
*shows picture of Travis Scott
Lol
would love to see this with the fully EVd, updated move set and held item Elite Fihr from BDSP, so much more of a challenge
Would they all move to run killer? I'd put Aaron there because of Sniper Drapion, Bertha needs planning around because of Sturdy, Flint because of the insane coverage and Lucian because of Trick Room and screens (though I managed to sweep him with Calm Mind Gardevoir).
@@136ctrh Tough minimum
Cynthia is a run killer, regardless of if it’s a nuzlocke. I also remember back when HGSS came out, Lance gave me a lot of trouble.
Lucian is so forgettable to me but somehow I always find him to be a struggle. It’s weird.
Funny how Stevens metagross is the Pokémon who less problems gave me
Yeah for me his Cradily was the most troublesome Pokémon in his team
Love the Persona music. Great choice.
Love the mystery dungeon music in the background
Can we just talk about how this tier list was created with Cynthia on top before they gave her flame orb Milotic and fucking SD Garchomp?
No more swearing please!
I'm a little surprised Leon is as high as he is, specifically because you can just prep for him specifically, without worrying about any others.
well dont forget hes probably talking about set mode, so you cant switch all the time and tbh all his pkms hits like semi truck and cinderace or rillaboom dont even have their new ability
I went to leon not knowing any of his team members and the dragapult almost wiped my team, shuckle came in clutch
lol Jan literally lost to Leon on his first run. Leon being such a huge level spike even after getting Eternatus is the main reason. Even on his second winning attempt he cheesed it with a Dragon Dance Gyarados which he specifically made Aegislash weak enough so Gyarados could set up on it.
His Charizard covers all of its weaknesses, Dragapult outspeeds any Pokémon and hits really hard, Aegislash can be pretty tough if you use a glass cannon mon...
It's pretty hard in my opinion. Not super hard like Cynthia or Iris though.
@@ordinarylittlebastard3248 Tbh Leon is just as hard as those two
Just started a hardcore nuzlocke of pokemon crystal I forgot how much grind it can be 🤣 love the content👍
Imagine how much higher the Gen 4 members would be if this was the BDSP versions.
I think Cynthia should differentiated to three different versions. Her DP team I think should be low S tier as her AI is pretty stupid while her PT team is a run killer. But her BDSP team is the ultimate run killer. You have to plan alot and put a ton of investment on EVs and IVs on your team.
That is a good point.
Sorry PC if I comment on yt, but I just lost a emerald nuzlocke against the champ and I feel really dumb. Also playing on cardridge so I gotta grind at normal speed :(
Wallace is pretty hard, specially if you are underleveled.
I appreciate the PMD music you used
This was before the craziness which is BDSP Cynthia.
*Again, just to reiterate* : This was *_BEFORE_* we knew of the Yache Barry Swords Dance Garchomp, Marvel Scale Flame Orb Milotic and Wise Glasses Timid Nature Special Attacker Lucario team of BDSP Cynthia.
I really hope Gen 9 gets more difficult like Gen 4-5.
Jan is probably the best nuzlocker in the world but at the same time is probably the worst at making youtube intros
I recognized everyone except Lucian. When you got to him I was like "hold up - back up, who?"
Drasna is pretty easy but i’ve had a painful experience with her noivern’s air slash flinches lol.
Gen 5 should be scaled differently imo because the version of the elite 4 he chose would be alders version and Irish version which are harder than N’s version but he didn’t use N
I'm pretty sure he was referring to N's version tho of the elite 4, since he mentioned Marshal only having 4 pokemon, which is only during the first run where you fight N instead, and B/W nuzlockes end at the ghetsis fight, which is why he didn't include alder, so ye, again, pretty sure he was talking about N's version, which is the first fight only
Gen 7 characters all go up a tier imo except Hau. Like people sleep on them so hard especially if you aren't using items.
Making any kind of mistake on any of them is more punishing then any other E4 member + the added threat of maybe just getting one shotted by a Z move because they do an asinine amount of damage. I've absolutely lost runs to Acerola swapping into Water Compaction Pallosand or Oliva Lycanroc counters.
I only played up to gen 5 recently, but i find your logic hilariously funny :)
Content, I was there for the stream!
5:26 that sentence is something I never thought I’d hear in this day and age 😂
Calling a Karen hot just seems unthinkable
She was a Karen before it became an insult.
Atleast I think. I have no idea when that happened.
Grimsley is godly bro, don't lie.
18:18 lol story reasons basically. Steven gave Wallace the champ throne to pursue more rock collecting basically lmao