She's also the property manager for the plaintiff and probably is afraid of being sued out of those management fees if they have to hire a real attorney due to her incompetence.
I am so frustrated having her try to win. I do not like Wright fighters and when you’re going against Judge Simpson come on your mouth listen to the advice and be a better person and a better attorney. Failure on her end and she wasted too much of our time.
She wants to stay on the case for selfish reasons. She wants THEM to wait until she does get called as a witness and go through all of that stress for her own convenience. Instead of doing the right thing by her clients. She's even disparaging them here!
@@MustSeeInsideThis is the third appearance where she doesn't know the basics of property law or procedure, and she's being disqualified because she's being sued for defamation by the defendant. She also dropped the F-bomb in her first appearance.
How can she not understand what he’s trying to say? I’m not involved in the legal system at all but it seems pretty obvious. In the extreme unlikely event I ever find myself in need of an attorney in Michigan, Donna K Tope, MS, JD will be #1 on my Do Not Call List! Sheesh!
This video is so funny. The entire first half, all I'm thinking is "All of these problems wouldn't exist if they JUST HIRED A LAWYER!!" Then the second half happens.
I’m sure they will come to an agreement as soon as she is removed. It sounds like she has been the roadblock in all negotiations and she’s just wasting their time and money. She’s not serving her clients’ best interests. They deserve better.
@@DeadpoolIlIl So she graduated law school before I was even born?! That may explain it. She needs to retire. The Jeromes deserve proper legal representation. This woman is just ridiculous and I don’t know why they didn’t see it at the first hearing.
@Thurston86, I think the younger sister DID. I get the feeling she's never really been on board with having her as an attorney. I think Alec hired her because she was willing to work for no money up front (using the personal-injury-lawyer "I'll just take a third of whatever you win" contingency) which explains why she's been harassing the defendants to pay SOMEthing/ANYthing towards what they owe.
One of her problems is that she takes everything personally. You get the feeling she's advocating for HERSELF more than she is for her CLIENTS. Also, as a lawyer, she seems to be quite ethically-challenged. Any other counsel who was property manager as well wouldn't suggest using them for legal representation.
@@thecancerofyoutube4385 the way she drones on makes me think of those sovereign citizen cases her lack of knowledge of landlord tenant and general court procedure i would not want her as a property manager or a lawyer
It's totally nuts. I really hate how she interrupts the judge, and It makes me curious if the clients are able to also recognize her inadequacies like the public.
I don’t even think Caroline Jerome wants her as an attorney. I’ve watched a couple of these proceedings and she often nods her head in agreement with the judge.
She’s every Karen that ever Karen’d. Her trying to school the JUDGE about rules of professional conduct while stammering with incorrect law. It’s embarrassing and has happened every single hearing. Idk how these plaintiffs didn’t see this months ago. I don’t feel bad for them whatsoever.
This lady, the “lawyer” is wearing too many hats in this case. The fact that she is attempting to fulfill the landlord status, or property manager duties and legal representative status in the same case is ridiculous.
@@RG-ns4tb wait until the next hearing. She’s added mediator to the list and well as finding the Jerome’s a new attorney since she can no longer represent them.
@@tammycosby4495 wait…. What?!! I would ask “are you serious”, but with this woman…..I just know this is going to be just out of this world. I cannot wait to see this! Lol Thanks for the update!
Body language showes that Sister Ms. Jerome completely understands this whole issue but Bother Mr. Jerome just wanted to stick with this lady. Just a body language guess.
Omg listening to this ridiculous woman(dont even like calling her attorney) saying "got it!" "yep!" Over the honorable Judge Simpson EVERY TIME he tries to explain something to her that she should already know!!.. it's just driving me insane! Oh Carolyn Jerome! Don't you see how much more intelligent you are than this clown? You'd do better on your own, but you'd do SOOO much better with a competent lawyer! 🙏🏻
Cassidy et al are doing the Jeromes a huge favour by filing this motion to disquality this most incompetent, unprofessional and ignorant lawyer I've ever seen. She has done nothing but mess this case up from the start. They shound have fired her months ago.
@@SqualidsargeStudios She must be a lawyer or she would be charged with illegal practise. I would imagine she is a lawyer in a narrow field unrelated to this case, like divorce law or personal injury. She seems really old, so maybe she's retired but has kept her legal dues up to date, and the minimum paperwork that goes with that.
She's basically saying to Simpson 'trust me, I won't cross any lines, and it might not even go ahead as a trial!'. What part of she's a material witness does she not understand? She constantly says 'I understand', but she DOESNT!!
This woman is *the most* incompetent attorney I have ever witnessed. When she says, "I've only dealt with the tenants through their attorneys" and Judge Simpson points out that "they didn't always have attorneys", her response is "neither did the Jeromes"?? Not only is that *not* a defense, it isn't even *relevant!* A competent lawyer would *never* have bothered to raise that point. This woman has let her personal feelings -- (notice she now refers to herself as "M.S., J.D." to reinforce her bona fides) -- supersede legal arguments. Also, her previous appearances have shown that, while she may *know* law, she does not know how to correctly *apply it* in many instances.
they say with anything you get what you pay for. with her lack of knowledge on landlord tenant law or proper court procedure i would not want her as my lawyer or property manager!
She is the Jerome’s Property Manger as well as their lawyer. It amazes me how long the Jerome’s kept her as their Attorney after watching many of her previous incompetent appearances in court. Not one word that came out of her mouth EVER made any sense. Judge Simpson was stellar in both educating her and allowing her to retain her dignity.
@@doreendaykin6693 I think the classic blunder was when in I believe the first hearing, Simpson had pointed out the incorrect filing. She said she understood. Then in the very next hearing, she filed the same erroneous paperwork AGAIN.
I love that she needs to add her degrees each time she states her name "MS JD". That is not a good sign. Then again, she is not a good lawyer. This is not over. She will continue to drag it out.
In high school, there were two teachers who had JDs - they apparently couldn't cut it as lawyers. They made us call them "Dr". They didn't seem to understand how ridiculous they looked to us teenagers.
It took me a sec to realize that’s what she was doing…. Soooooo much secondhand embarrassment. I’m married to a phd and he NEVER even goes by Dr. He’s just not that guy
@@courtenayharrold3362 PHd is a higher level of academic achievement than a Juris Doctor (or PharmD, ED.d Public admin, etc). You get the doctorate for showing up and passing. PHD has to write a dissertation, etc. Thats why people generally accept calling them Doctor. But lawyers can suck it.
@@scottmccrea1873 A doctor is a doctor. Pharmacists have a doctorate, lawyers have a doctorate. As long as they arent trying to pass themselves as an MD, they have every right to be called a doctor.
@@MichaelsGuns #False. You are clearly unaware that there is an academic hierarchy. I suggest you learn what you're talking about before running your mouth hole. You'll embarrass yourself slightly less often.
Exactly! My mind tells me that at 70, I can be just as good a cop as I always was. However, my body says, "You have got to be out of your rabbit-ass mind.".....🤔
I’ve seen all of her other appearances in this case and I honestly can’t understand how she doesn’t have a better idea of how to practice. I’ve seen a lot of bad lawyers, but this lady lacks some very basic foundational things. I means, it’s 1L or 2L stuff. It’s almost like she’s been a paper pusher her whole career and decided to take up a litigation case for some friends or something. Even then I don’t get it. Honestly, I think the court should report her for mere incompetency. She’s a danger to her clients. Shoot, she’s cost these Plaintiffs HOURS of billable time because she doesn’t know how to even get a suit filed and served without fucking it up.
I think Simpson's been holding out for something deeper than incorrectly filing and her previous behavioural issues. I also think the client's the sister in law? she looked a lot more energetic in the hearing before this but not so much now. She's so draining, I hope her behaviours have more to do with aging but if this is what her lawyer career looked like before this, I'd hate to know her success rate.
These landlords need to follow procedure ! No crossed-out or hand-corrected notices. It doesn't matter what you intended, play by the rules or go back to the beginning....You can't be a lawyer and a landlord and a witness at the same time. Stop being cheap and pay a lawyer to represent you.
She sort of can. If she is the landlord, she appears pro se and is legally qualified. It gets more awkward if she owns property through a company. The company is legally a separate entity from her, producing a conflict of interest.
Tenants should do the right thing and pay their rent...on time. There are just as many videos of tenants constantly playing the system. Not to mention the damage many disgruntled tenants leave for landlords to also deal with, left behind as they FINALLY are forced out. Yes, landlords should always follow procedures, so should renters.
This disqualified lawyer just has a distorted view of actual law. She tries to argue against something that can not be argued with her "facts" on law. This is not even the first judge to deal with her and her distortions. AND then there is her incompetence in filing correct paperwork.
He’s called her out numerous times and all she ever does is argue with the Judge and interrupt. I wonder if she took up law late in life because surely she hasn’t been a practicing attorney all her working life. If so, I wonder how 😂
@@yaboyalaska7550 No, but I believe the very first hearing with this case was just after another judge had made a ruling that she misunderstood/misinterpreted to Judge Simpson. Simpson read the other Judges ruling and set her straight. I believe the other Judge dismissed the case BECAUSE SHE SCREWED UP THE PAPERWORK...Imagine that..😜 She continued even then to argue with Simpson about the other Judge.
@@hoptoit5910 She was first admitted to the bar in 1995. But she was in college the year I was born, and I'm retired. She's ancient, and I believe she has slipped a few gears.
IMHO the Jeromes are fools for continuing to let this so-called attorney represent them. I hope her fee is non-existent as she is the one causing all the time in court and causing the need for briefs. The attorney doesn’t understand the basics that are evident to even the non-attorneys who are watching this train wreck. Is the Jerome woman constantly nodding because she is a bobble head or does she actually believe the BS that Ms Tope MSJD is throwing out?
I find her “laughing with” the judge like she is “in” on the issue and a co-equal professional, as very annoying. Make no mistake they’re all laughing “at” you.
Donna Trope is arrogant and unqualified as their attorney. She refuses to accept she no longer represents the Jerome's and that her past involvement is suspect, therefore she has to be a witness to defend her own actions. I get it and I'm a layman! Donna is fired!
@@zayjacksontv8035 🤭 👌 Yeeaahhh... the tryer of fact gets to decide what facts he hears in a hearing. That is, ya know, a well-understood and accepted part of jurisprudence. Contemptuously overtalking the judge is either a)willfull ignorance or b) incompetence She fits the latter. She sounds like a pro se who thinks she's going to show the judge just how smart she is🙄
I was just waiting for Judge Simpson to order the mouthy wife to come right back on camera and talk smack to his face! I feel deprived of watching her tuck her tail & look all sheepish!😂
They need to stop holding zoom court and go back to in person, people don't know how to behave without being in front of the judge. I don't know how Judge Simpson keeps his composure, he has the patience of a Saint.
After the pandemic, the higher courts found this to be a more efficient way to get through more court cases and move justice along. Zoom courts are here to stay.
I genuinely don't know how Judge Simpson keeps his patience in check as well as he does on landlord-tenant days. It's hours and hours of this kind of stupidity and excuses every Friday.
Thats the problem with the indoctrination system all you have to so is regurgitate information and you pass 🤣 law is very nuanced and complex and just getting assignments done 40 years ago isn't cutting it for Donna j tope ms jd 🤣
The Avey’s are under the impression that they have to wait 30 days before serving notice to quit - not that the notice to quit gives 30 days from date of serving to relinquish the property.
obviously that lawyer needs to step away, but it almost seems like she wants to stay on the case because she thinks it will protect her from being called as a witness. She seems to think that the rules would prevent her from being able to testify when, in reality, she isnt supposed to have taken on this case since it is a conflict of interest (and is kind of unethical)
I could not be a landlord and on the other side, I would not stay in a house and not pay rent and put the people who OWN the house through such frustrations.
“We will find a lawyer that will work” The way I cackled. I’ve been watching this case from the beginning and Ms. Jerome has been shaking her head, covering her mouth and overall looks like she does NOT want that lawyer. Idk what situation caused her to let that lady represent her, but she looked and sounded so relieved when Judge Simpson removed that lawyer from the case.
This entire video is a perfect example of how awesome Judge Simpson is. The way he handles these cases and still has a sense of humor about it is really impressive
why on earth have the jerome's kept her as their manager and attorney for this long? I have seen all of her previous appearances and she is so incompetent and clueless she had to have some dirt on the folkswho decide who passes the bar..
The Jeromes' attorney was emailed a motion to disqualify on Monday, knew she had court with her clients on Friday, and "didn't have time to respond." It doesn't speak well about her degree of concern for her clients, who might be left without counsel.
On that note she pointed out that the issue wouldn't be a problem if the Jeromes were representing themselves. She wants to be an officer of the court, but still have the same ethical slack as a self-represented defendant. I've only met one other attorney like that and he's in jail now.
Oh wow!!!! I see how the couple waited 31 days to serve a 30 day notice but only gave 18 days because they thought the 31 days was the requirement, when the actual notice was the requirement. And then they still didn't realize their screw up when it was over. 🤣🤪
She’s been on here before and it was the same bull…..she thinks she’s smarter than anybody else, including Judge Simpson. Likes to hear herself talk. The Jerome’s are very patient. 😊😊
16:20 "Wow. Are we ... are we done with that one?" 🤣🤣 This judge has the absolute *best* sense of humor and attitude for this job. I absolutely adore him :)
He’s arrogant and expects laypeople who are not experienced in the courts to understand the rules of the court as well as attorneys. I like deserved tongue-lashings, but not his arrogant impatience with people who are doing their best. He’s a dick.
I don’t understand why she’s pushing so much to do this case like she’s not getting paid for the time she worked on the case already 😂 if I heard my lawyer make a weak argument like this I’d be asking for a new one for more than just a conflict of interest, incompetence is unacceptable from any and all lawyers 😂
Added to which her constant interruption of the Judge; she was more like a disorderly, stubborn, self- pontificating criminal than a lawyer. I bet she's a nightmare to be with out of court.
I've watched this case as it's going, she keeps making arguments that basically amount to "the defendants aren't following the rules I decided on". She was offended previously that the defendants sought council. She's trying to say they can't call her as a witness despite that she's the property manager because shes not named personally, only the corporate entity she hides behind.
I have watched all this lady attorney's other showings. She can't get out of her own way. She is really annoying. I would have fired her a long time ago for apparent incompetence if I were her client. I don't understand how she didn't see the conflict of interest
16:00 I feel for the Aveys.They rented a commercial property to this guy, the guy moves his whole family in and gets busted by the township. Now the township is on their butts. *This is why you hire a lawyer - who wouldn't make rookie mistakes like not giving the tenant 30 days notice.* But people always want to cheap out on this stuff. Well, they got _exactly_ the legal representation they paid for: zero.
I agree, but given that the guy hasn’t been paying rent and they’re probably dealing with fines from the township too, they might not be able to afford one.
If I had to guess, I would think it is the attorney who doesn’t know how to dress appropriately for court, whose hair hasn’t seen a comb or brush in years, and chomps on gum. Am I close?
She finally got fired thank god she is the worst lawyer I have ever heard she is an Incompetent lawyer I have watched all of the court cases she is in and she's horrible
Where did you hear she was actually fired?? Judge is telling her to stand down from this case or he’ll do it for her but that doesn’t mean she can’t practice law anymore (unfortunately) Please tell us how and when she was fired.
Two cases so far where they said “I filled out what the clerks gave me”. THE CLERKS ARE NOT YOUR ATTORNEYS! This is why you hire an attorney for these issues. The clerks don’t know the various caveats of your particular case. Quit blaming them for your incompetence.
Phew, finally! She's beyond incompetent, not to mention her involvement has always been due to her self importance, not her clients' needs. She's had no interest in working out the issues, only in forcing the tenants to bend to her will, which got really old. Clearly she doesn't understand mediation either, and was assuming she could use the process to further pressure the tenants, as if the mediator would insist that they comply. Couple that with her insistence they they can't be trusted to mediate. This has been a case I've dreaded watching at the same time I'd hate to miss an 'episode'. Thank goodness her clients saw the writing on the wall at the last appearance and wanted to bring this to a close.
I blame the Jeromes. They can clearly see that their attorney/property manager is incompetent. Is she just a crazy relative they don't want to fire? They are going to lose their shirts without a real attorney. Maybe they don't care.
Or maybe they aren't able to comprehend the law which is why you'd want a damn lawyer. Oh but you do it. I'm sure you wouldn't be an hilarious failure. You're probably used to that though.
@@DeviceAnathemaI’m confused by your response. They need a competent lawyer and haven’t had one, so why have they kept her on as their attorney when there is such a obvious conflict of interest that she argues about in the most delusional way I have ever heard.
Woah. Don't know why anyone would reply to this comment with such a rude response 🤔 But I agree they should've gotten new counsel after the 1st or 2nd sh!tshow with this "attorney". Maybe she is related or there's something else going on we don't know. The Jerome's seem to be intelligent and nice people.. anyhoo, it sucks they've been soo terribly represented! Hopefully the new counsel they appoint will know what they're doing 🤞😬🤞
Thank god she’s fired lol. Just the way she acts and not accepting an answer that suits her, tells me everything about her on what type of property manager/lawyer she is. I can tell you just from her arguments now and in the past, she’s very controlling and disrespectful
Normally, you go to law school before court, not DURING court.
Lol best comment
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In regards to the Jerome’s lawyer…🎉🎉🎉👏👏👏👏👏 derekholdt9707 You deserve the Academy Award for “ BEST COMMENT OF THE LOT” 🏆. 👏👏👏👏👏👏🎉🎉😊
But, but ... that's how yt law school teaches it.
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LOL 🤣
This woman needs to listen to the judge and just remove herself from representing these people.
She's also the property manager for the plaintiff and probably is afraid of being sued out of those management fees if they have to hire a real attorney due to her incompetence.
@@wesley00042That's exactly what I was thinking.
I am so frustrated having her try to win. I do not like Wright fighters and when you’re going against Judge Simpson come on your mouth listen to the advice and be a better person and a better attorney. Failure on her end and she wasted too much of our time.
She didn’t listen
She wants to stay on the case for selfish reasons.
She wants THEM to wait until she does get called as a witness and go through all of that stress for her own convenience.
Instead of doing the right thing by her clients. She's even disparaging them here!
This lady is dense. the judge is basically begging you to just withdraw because other than that you’re gone
I cannot believe I just heard a lawyer say that another lawyer has “inserted lawyerly things” into a discussion.
She also said losing these clients would be “ an arrow to the heart”. This woman is far too involved and her clients deserve better.
This lawyer is obtuse and should be disbarred
Disbarred for what? Being obtuse?
@@MustSeeInsideThis is the third appearance where she doesn't know the basics of property law or procedure, and she's being disqualified because she's being sued for defamation by the defendant. She also dropped the F-bomb in her first appearance.
I want to know why they hired her and more importantly, why are they still retaining her?
Her weight has nothing to do with it.
@@user-qr2kh6uh6q find a dictionary LOL
How can she not understand what he’s trying to say? I’m not involved in the legal system at all but it seems pretty obvious. In the extreme unlikely event I ever find myself in need of an attorney in Michigan, Donna K Tope, MS, JD will be #1 on my Do Not Call List! Sheesh!
She understands she's just using her lawyering abilities trying to sneak through the system to stay their lawyer and trying every angle possible.
Even Caroline Jerome was following what the judge was saying.
This video is so funny. The entire first half, all I'm thinking is "All of these problems wouldn't exist if they JUST HIRED A LAWYER!!"
Then the second half happens.
Brilliant 🤣
I’m sure they will come to an agreement as soon as she is removed. It sounds like she has been the roadblock in all negotiations and she’s just wasting their time and money. She’s not serving her clients’ best interests. They deserve better.
I’ve been following this case. This feels like a lawyer who went back to law school and JUST passed the bar. She’s inept and that’s putting it nicely
I just looked her up on the Michigan bar. She’s been practicing for 31 years! I would have fired her after her presentation at the first hearing.
@@DeadpoolIlIl So she graduated law school before I was even born?! That may explain it. She needs to retire. The Jeromes deserve proper legal representation. This woman is just ridiculous and I don’t know why they didn’t see it at the first hearing.
@Thurston86, I think the younger sister DID. I get the feeling she's never really been on board with having her as an attorney. I think Alec hired her because she was willing to work for no money up front (using the personal-injury-lawyer "I'll just take a third of whatever you win" contingency) which explains why she's been harassing the defendants to pay SOMEthing/ANYthing towards what they owe.
She is a KAREN
@@DeadpoolIlIl D ......E .... i
This lawyer really needs to retire. I’ve watched her for awhile. I would hate to have her as a lawyer!
One of her problems is that she takes everything personally. You get the feeling she's advocating for HERSELF more than she is for her CLIENTS.
Also, as a lawyer, she seems to be quite ethically-challenged. Any other counsel who was property manager as well wouldn't suggest using them for legal representation.
@@thecancerofyoutube4385 the way she drones on makes me think of those sovereign citizen cases her lack of knowledge of landlord tenant and general court procedure i would not want her as a property manager or a lawyer
It's totally nuts. I really hate how she interrupts the judge, and It makes me curious if the clients are able to also recognize her inadequacies like the public.
@@kristinholcomb5817 it looks like the sister does but the brother seems oblivious
@@jays106 Totally! I was expecting, "I am not Donna K Tope, MS, JD, I am the agent of Donna K Tope, MS, JD. I am a woman flesh and blood."
I don’t even think Caroline Jerome wants her as an attorney. I’ve watched a couple of these proceedings and she often nods her head in agreement with the judge.
"Alex, you've been heard!" She just had to get the last word, didn't she? I'll bet she's the "I want to speak to the manager right now!" type.
Oh hell yes she is 😂
Oh yeah, Judge Simpson literally says "Stop... Hold it before you say anything" (@ 33:17) and she STILL interrupts him IMMEDIATELY after he says it!
She’s every Karen that ever Karen’d. Her trying to school the JUDGE about rules of professional conduct while stammering with incorrect law. It’s embarrassing and has happened every single hearing. Idk how these plaintiffs didn’t see this months ago. I don’t feel bad for them whatsoever.
Oh absolutely! 💯
Alex was heard no thanks to that lawyer.
This lady, the “lawyer” is wearing too many hats in this case. The fact that she is attempting to fulfill the landlord status, or property manager duties and legal representative status in the same case is ridiculous.
@@RG-ns4tb wait until the next hearing. She’s added mediator to the list and well as finding the Jerome’s a new attorney since she can no longer represent them.
@@tammycosby4495 wait…. What?!! I would ask “are you serious”, but with this woman…..I just know this is going to be just out of this world. I cannot wait to see this! Lol
Thanks for the update!
She should be required to refer to herself as "I, Donna Trope, MSJD in jeopardy...". She's incandescently incompetent.
The fact that they kept this crazy lawyer this long is insane anyway.
She's a) a relative and b) working probably for free, or a nominal amount.
@@jamesrowden303 OR there is funny business going on which Judge Simpson senses.
@@Jim-hj4py The Pinball Player from Tommy could sense there's funny business here. The shenanigans are manifest and insane.
Body language showes that Sister Ms. Jerome completely understands this whole issue but Bother Mr. Jerome just wanted to stick with this lady. Just a body language guess.
Omg listening to this ridiculous woman(dont even like calling her attorney) saying "got it!" "yep!" Over the honorable Judge Simpson EVERY TIME he tries to explain something to her that she should already know!!.. it's just driving me insane! Oh Carolyn Jerome! Don't you see how much more intelligent you are than this clown? You'd do better on your own, but you'd do SOOO much better with a competent lawyer! 🙏🏻
This lawyer is really difficult to listen to. She is so bad, it makes my brain hurt.
Cassidy et al are doing the Jeromes a huge favour by filing this motion to disquality this most incompetent, unprofessional and ignorant lawyer I've ever seen. She has done nothing but mess this case up from the start. They shound have fired her months ago.
He just told her something that as a lawyer she should’ve known already, yet she keeps arguing. 🙄🙄🙄
Yeah because she is NOT qualified at all, seems she just seen law & order or something and said “i can be an lawyer how hard can it be”
@@SqualidsargeStudios She must be a lawyer or she would be charged with illegal practise. I would imagine she is a lawyer in a narrow field unrelated to this case, like divorce law or personal injury. She seems really old, so maybe she's retired but has kept her legal dues up to date, and the minimum paperwork that goes with that.
@@jamesrowden303 true and fair enough
@@jamesrowden303 Yeah, she's 80.
She likes to hear herself talk ...
She's basically saying to Simpson 'trust me, I won't cross any lines, and it might not even go ahead as a trial!'. What part of she's a material witness does she not understand? She constantly says 'I understand', but she DOESNT!!
Especially seeing that she is the sole reason the mediation didn't proceed.
These lease cases remind me of one of the core rules of business:
If it's not written down, it didn't happen.
I have a t-shirt that says~ If I don't remember it didn't happen. lolol
@@notme2dayCYA will save your life or st least your sanity
facts, why is there so many cases with no lease, not good for business
This woman is *the most* incompetent attorney I have ever witnessed. When she says, "I've only dealt with the tenants through their attorneys" and Judge Simpson points out that "they didn't always have attorneys", her response is "neither did the Jeromes"?? Not only is that *not* a defense, it isn't even *relevant!* A competent lawyer would *never* have bothered to raise that point. This woman has let her personal feelings -- (notice she now refers to herself as "M.S., J.D." to reinforce her bona fides) -- supersede legal arguments. Also, her previous appearances have shown that, while she may *know* law, she does not know how to correctly *apply it* in many instances.
half of her arguments were logical fallacies (whataboutism, moving goal posts) - it's bad debate, much less lawyering
She can't even tell that her argument is irrelevant. That's scary!
oof, we've all heard the ol' "I am genuinely sorry THAT _YOU_ *_FEEL_* that way" chestnut, but I've never heard an attorney try it on a judge before 😳
I understand why the Avey's are frustrated, but they need to be quiet, listen, and _maybe_ just hire an attorney to help them through this
they say with anything you get what you pay for. with her lack of knowledge on landlord tenant law or proper court procedure i would not want her as my lawyer or property manager!
I have seen too much of this lawyer already. She is so annoying and incompetent. I dont even know how she became a lawyer in the first place..
I so agree! This woman is so delusional and ignorant it's NOT even funny!
She is the Jerome’s Property Manger as well as their lawyer. It amazes me how long the Jerome’s kept her as their Attorney after watching many of her previous incompetent appearances in court. Not one word that came out of her mouth EVER made any sense. Judge Simpson was stellar in both educating her and allowing her to retain her dignity.
@@doreendaykin6693 I think the classic blunder was when in I believe the first hearing, Simpson had pointed out the incorrect filing. She said she understood. Then in the very next hearing, she filed the same erroneous paperwork AGAIN.
As I stared in a previous clip on this case, this is what you get when law school grades on a curve!
@@TyJStern This case was in Washtenaw County, Michigan.
I love that she needs to add her degrees each time she states her name "MS JD". That is not a good sign. Then again, she is not a good lawyer. This is not over. She will continue to drag it out.
In high school, there were two teachers who had JDs - they apparently couldn't cut it as lawyers. They made us call them "Dr". They didn't seem to understand how ridiculous they looked to us teenagers.
It took me a sec to realize that’s what she was doing…. Soooooo much secondhand embarrassment. I’m married to a phd and he NEVER even goes by Dr. He’s just not that guy
@@courtenayharrold3362 PHd is a higher level of academic achievement than a Juris Doctor (or PharmD, ED.d Public admin, etc). You get the doctorate for showing up and passing. PHD has to write a dissertation, etc.
Thats why people generally accept calling them Doctor. But lawyers can suck it.
@@scottmccrea1873 A doctor is a doctor. Pharmacists have a doctorate, lawyers have a doctorate. As long as they arent trying to pass themselves as an MD, they have every right to be called a doctor.
@@MichaelsGuns #False. You are clearly unaware that there is an academic hierarchy.
I suggest you learn what you're talking about before running your mouth hole. You'll embarrass yourself slightly less often.
Give judge Simpson the scream box.
I hope Cedric has a goat screaming button to push in his office. 🐐🤯🤬
BaHaHa
That "lawyer" seriously needs to RETIRE!
I mean, sometimes it's just time.
Exactly! My mind tells me that at 70, I can be just as good a cop as I always was. However, my body says, "You have got to be out of your rabbit-ass mind.".....🤔
Poor Judge Simpson deals with some CRAZY terminations! 😂
I’ve seen all of her other appearances in this case and I honestly can’t understand how she doesn’t have a better idea of how to practice. I’ve seen a lot of bad lawyers, but this lady lacks some very basic foundational things. I means, it’s 1L or 2L stuff. It’s almost like she’s been a paper pusher her whole career and decided to take up a litigation case for some friends or something. Even then I don’t get it. Honestly, I think the court should report her for mere incompetency. She’s a danger to her clients. Shoot, she’s cost these Plaintiffs HOURS of billable time because she doesn’t know how to even get a suit filed and served without fucking it up.
I think Simpson's been holding out for something deeper than incorrectly filing and her previous behavioural issues. I also think the client's the sister in law? she looked a lot more energetic in the hearing before this but not so much now. She's so draining, I hope her behaviours have more to do with aging but if this is what her lawyer career looked like before this, I'd hate to know her success rate.
Youre not far off from wht I've gathered. She is dealing with property management and decided to represent these poor people in litigation 🤣
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Her profile says she was an environmental investigator what you said makes sense
@nicci337 that tracks 😂
These landlords need to follow procedure ! No crossed-out or hand-corrected notices. It doesn't matter what you intended, play by the rules or go back to the beginning....You can't be a lawyer and a landlord and a witness at the same time. Stop being cheap and pay a lawyer to represent you.
She sort of can. If she is the landlord, she appears pro se and is legally qualified.
It gets more awkward if she owns property through a company. The company is legally a separate entity from her, producing a conflict of interest.
Tenants should do the right thing and pay their rent...on time. There are just as many videos of tenants constantly playing the system. Not to mention the damage many disgruntled tenants leave for landlords to also deal with, left behind as they FINALLY are forced out. Yes, landlords should always follow procedures, so should renters.
This disqualified lawyer just has a distorted view of actual law. She tries to argue against something that can not be argued with her "facts" on law. This is not even the first judge to deal with her and her distortions. AND then there is her incompetence in filing correct paperwork.
He’s called her out numerous times and all she ever does is argue with the Judge and interrupt.
I wonder if she took up law late in life because surely she hasn’t been a practicing attorney all her working life. If so, I wonder how 😂
Oooh any clips of her with the other judge?
@@yaboyalaska7550 No, but I believe the very first hearing with this case was just after another judge had made a ruling that she misunderstood/misinterpreted to Judge Simpson. Simpson read the other Judges ruling and set her straight. I believe the other Judge dismissed the case BECAUSE SHE SCREWED UP THE PAPERWORK...Imagine that..😜 She continued even then to argue with Simpson about the other Judge.
@@hoptoit5910 She was first admitted to the bar in 1995. But she was in college the year I was born, and I'm retired. She's ancient, and I believe she has slipped a few gears.
IMHO the Jeromes are fools for continuing to let this so-called attorney represent them. I hope her fee is non-existent as she is the one causing all the time in court and causing the need for briefs. The attorney doesn’t understand the basics that are evident to even the non-attorneys who are watching this train wreck. Is the Jerome woman constantly nodding because she is a bobble head or does she actually believe the BS that Ms Tope MSJD is throwing out?
Mrs Jerome does not seem happy with her, she's always shaking her head in agreement with Judge Simpson. Interesting case!
I find her “laughing with” the judge like she is “in” on the issue and a co-equal professional, as very annoying. Make no mistake they’re all laughing “at” you.
Donna Trope is arrogant and unqualified as their attorney. She refuses to accept she no longer represents the Jerome's and that her past involvement is suspect, therefore she has to be a witness to defend her own actions. I get it and I'm a layman! Donna is fired!
I assume any lawyer that cuts off and overspeaks a judge this many times is incompetent.
I love judge Simpson but I wish he gave just as much attitude to women as he does to men. He gives women waaay too many chances.
100 percent
Judges do it all the time
@@zayjacksontv8035 🤭 👌
Yeeaahhh... the tryer of fact gets to decide what facts he hears in a hearing. That is, ya know, a well-understood and accepted part of jurisprudence.
Contemptuously overtalking the judge is either a)willfull ignorance or b) incompetence
She fits the latter. She sounds like a pro se who thinks she's going to show the judge just how smart she is🙄
@@FattyMateo respect is earned not given
I love how judge Simpson just goes for a smoke break. "I'll come back in a better mood"
I dont know how judges keep themselves sane in between all of these cases
@@jokipls The parade of dumbass landlords at the start was already enough to lose faith in humanity.
She's a terrible listener! She over-talks him nearly every single time he speaks.
Oh my. She’s trying to school the judge.
I guess she won't quit until a higher power tells her to quit.
I was just waiting for Judge Simpson to order the mouthy wife to come right back on camera and talk smack to his face! I feel deprived of watching her tuck her tail & look all sheepish!😂
If you’re going to be an owner of commercial real estate and need to go to court hire a real estate attorney it’s just a business cost.
The judge was extremely patient with this lady who has no business being in a court room. At minimum a juror but a lawyer is a far fetch.
They need to stop holding zoom court and go back to in person, people don't know how to behave without being in front of the judge. I don't know how Judge Simpson keeps his composure, he has the patience of a Saint.
This form of court follows the ADA. What you suggest is now illegal under that law
After the pandemic, the higher courts found this to be a more efficient way to get through more court cases and move justice along. Zoom courts are here to stay.
I need a scream box every time I watch this case! I’ve watched it from the beginning.
Ms Kim was certainly not late because she was getting her hair done! Hahahaha 😊😊
I genuinely don't know how Judge Simpson keeps his patience in check as well as he does on landlord-tenant days. It's hours and hours of this kind of stupidity and excuses every Friday.
Amen!!!
Double Amen!
🤭 I really hope someone who's a fan or his court staff has given him a goat screaming button to push when he's in his office.
🤣🤣🤣
Imagine what a nightmare this woman must be to deal with in regular day to day life. She's insufferable.
That woman REALLY passed the bar exam?
Don't forget, in every class there is always someone who comes last!!!
I've seen even more high profile attorney with questionable " lawyering skill" before . I mean have you seen Alina Habba ?
@@Pudef9that's true and they still end up with 50 years in politics and becoming the 47th president
Thats the problem with the indoctrination system all you have to so is regurgitate information and you pass 🤣 law is very nuanced and complex and just getting assignments done 40 years ago isn't cutting it for Donna j tope ms jd 🤣
@@AlanTuringWannabeAre you from the future? We're are still stuck with the 46th.
The Avey’s are under the impression that they have to wait 30 days before serving notice to quit - not that the notice to quit gives 30 days from date of serving to relinquish the property.
They don’t listen well and can’t really even comprehend the explanation 😮
It's really hard to listen when you're constantly thinking about what you're going to say.
obviously that lawyer needs to step away, but it almost seems like she wants to stay on the case because she thinks it will protect her from being called as a witness. She seems to think that the rules would prevent her from being able to testify when, in reality, she isnt supposed to have taken on this case since it is a conflict of interest (and is kind of unethical)
Absolutely! She’s an idiot! 28:31
💯💯
I could not be a landlord and on the other side, I would not stay in a house and not pay rent and put the people who OWN the house through such frustrations.
“We will find a lawyer that will work”
The way I cackled. I’ve been watching this case from the beginning and Ms. Jerome has been shaking her head, covering her mouth and overall looks like she does NOT want that lawyer. Idk what situation caused her to let that lady represent her, but she looked and sounded so relieved when Judge Simpson removed that lawyer from the case.
This entire video is a perfect example of how awesome Judge Simpson is. The way he handles these cases and still has a sense of humor about it is really impressive
He gets smart with people for no reason.
woooo if this was all from one day, Judge Simpson has the most extreme patience, what a kind soul
why on earth have the jerome's kept her as their manager and attorney for this long?
I have seen all of her previous appearances and she is so incompetent and clueless she had to have some dirt on the folkswho decide who passes the bar..
They probably were trying to save money or she worked out some type of deal with her.
The Jeromes' attorney was emailed a motion to disqualify on Monday, knew she had court with her clients on Friday, and "didn't have time to respond." It doesn't speak well about her degree of concern for her clients, who might be left without counsel.
On that note she pointed out that the issue wouldn't be a problem if the Jeromes were representing themselves. She wants to be an officer of the court, but still have the same ethical slack as a self-represented defendant. I've only met one other attorney like that and he's in jail now.
Oh wow!!!! I see how the couple waited 31 days to serve a 30 day notice but only gave 18 days because they thought the 31 days was the requirement, when the actual notice was the requirement. And then they still didn't realize their screw up when it was over. 🤣🤪
Judge has the patience of an angel... They would all get 90 days! 😂😅😂
If I understand what judge Simpson is saying and the “attorney” doesn’t, does that make me a better lawyer without a degree?
She’s been on here before and it was the same bull…..she thinks she’s smarter than anybody else, including Judge Simpson. Likes to hear herself talk. The Jerome’s are very patient. 😊😊
16:20 "Wow. Are we ... are we done with that one?" 🤣🤣 This judge has the absolute *best* sense of humor and attitude for this job. I absolutely adore him :)
He’s arrogant and expects laypeople who are not experienced in the courts to understand the rules of the court as well as attorneys. I like deserved tongue-lashings, but not his arrogant impatience with people who are doing their best. He’s a dick.
I don’t understand why she’s pushing so much to do this case like she’s not getting paid for the time she worked on the case already 😂 if I heard my lawyer make a weak argument like this I’d be asking for a new one for more than just a conflict of interest, incompetence is unacceptable from any and all lawyers 😂
Added to which her constant interruption of the Judge; she was more like a disorderly, stubborn, self- pontificating criminal than a lawyer. I bet she's a nightmare to be with out of court.
Well said!
I'd venture outside of court, she's constantly giving people the wrong legal *personal* advice on how to handle something.
The attorney is so full of ego
Judge Simpson scowl in the thumbnail reminds me of Samuel L Jackson’s character Stephen in Django Unchained 😂
Haha, I thought the same thing!!😂
Maybe this woman just IDENTIFIES as an atty.
😢😂😂😂
Trans atty..
she is old as fuck and in decline is what it is, much like yourself
I've watched this case as it's going, she keeps making arguments that basically amount to "the defendants aren't following the rules I decided on". She was offended previously that the defendants sought council. She's trying to say they can't call her as a witness despite that she's the property manager because shes not named personally, only the corporate entity she hides behind.
She made a 8 hour work day a 10 hour work day. The fact that the lawyer didnʼt understand the Judgeʼs point but her clientʼs did was exhausting.
Hillarious that the landlords seem to have better composure and respect for the courts than their so called professional lawyer😂
12:47 what the judge says here is every sovereign citizen dream to hear 😂😂😂😂😂😂
“ IM DISMISSING DO TO LACK OF SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION !!“
😂😂😂
As a lawyer she seems easily swayed to do the very thing Judge Simpson spent 20 min. telling her she couldn't? Scraping the bottom of the barrel.
I have watched all this lady attorney's other showings. She can't get out of her own way. She is really annoying. I would have fired her a long time ago for apparent incompetence if I were her client. I don't understand how she didn't see the conflict of interest
16:00 I feel for the Aveys.They rented a commercial property to this guy, the guy moves his whole family in and gets busted by the township. Now the township is on their butts.
*This is why you hire a lawyer - who wouldn't make rookie mistakes like not giving the tenant 30 days notice.* But people always want to cheap out on this stuff. Well, they got _exactly_ the legal representation they paid for: zero.
I agree, but given that the guy hasn’t been paying rent and they’re probably dealing with fines from the township too, they might not be able to afford one.
It's not a good idea to piss Judge Simpson off right out of the gate! Itsnot going to end well!!!
Landlord need’s to get a lawyer to handle this for him. He is in over his head.
I would NEVER be a landlord!!! NEVER!!!
I feel like she wants to stay on to get a piece of that potential settlement she's hoping on.
So glad i dont have to listen to that woman anymore
There's a lawyer in Texas that is just as bad as this one. I've seen her in Judge Boyd's courtroom a few times & she's a mess!
Must be the lawyer that has innocent clients plead guilty to charges or bond violations.
If I had to guess, I would think it is the attorney who doesn’t know how to dress appropriately for court, whose hair hasn’t seen a comb or brush in years, and chomps on gum. Am I close?
I know exactly who you're talking about 🤣
She finally got fired thank god she is the worst lawyer I have ever heard she is an Incompetent lawyer I have watched all of the court cases she is in and she's horrible
Where did you hear she was actually fired??
Judge is telling her to stand down from this case or he’ll do it for her but that doesn’t mean she can’t practice law anymore (unfortunately)
Please tell us how and when she was fired.
@@hoptoit5910I believe they meant fired from the case
Worse than Amber's attorney?😂😅
@@lynnvh5445 Better than Darrell Brooks lawyer.
@@hoptoit5910 Fired means fired from the case. Disbarred is something far different and far more drastic.
This guy that filed wrong form said he got wrong forms but did it last year so he should know what form to file
Some of their accusations against the dodgy lawyer don’t sound great. She should get her own lawyer separate from everything.
I love watching this judge work.
Those people waited 31 days from when they got the paperwork from the clerk. Not from when they served him
Two cases so far where they said “I filled out what the clerks gave me”. THE CLERKS ARE NOT YOUR ATTORNEYS! This is why you hire an attorney for these issues. The clerks don’t know the various caveats of your particular case. Quit blaming them for your incompetence.
Phew, finally! She's beyond incompetent, not to mention her involvement has always been due to her self importance, not her clients' needs. She's had no interest in working out the issues, only in forcing the tenants to bend to her will, which got really old. Clearly she doesn't understand mediation either, and was assuming she could use the process to further pressure the tenants, as if the mediator would insist that they comply. Couple that with her insistence they they can't be trusted to mediate. This has been a case I've dreaded watching at the same time I'd hate to miss an 'episode'. Thank goodness her clients saw the writing on the wall at the last appearance and wanted to bring this to a close.
I had no idea how difficult it is to evict people.
Poor Judge - ppl arguing with him all day long! He’s the most patient judge I have ever seen! I hope there can be more judges to take his ways….
I don't know who is controlling the cameras in the court, but they need to chill out switching them all over the place! 😐
I'm pretty sure it's audio-triggered and someone keeps rustling papers or bumping the mic.
I know!! I was getting dizzy! But I agree with above, they’re audio triggered
@@Ameliafromhere @autocosm bloody things! 😂
Sounds like she has already been steering the Jerome’s wrong.
I blame the Jeromes. They can clearly see that their attorney/property manager is incompetent. Is she just a crazy relative they don't want to fire? They are going to lose their shirts without a real attorney. Maybe they don't care.
Or maybe they aren't able to comprehend the law which is why you'd want a damn lawyer.
Oh but you do it. I'm sure you wouldn't be an hilarious failure. You're probably used to that though.
@@DeviceAnathemaI’m confused by your response. They need a competent lawyer and haven’t had one, so why have they kept her on as their attorney when there is such a obvious conflict of interest that she argues about in the most delusional way I have ever heard.
They have more money than brains 😂
Isn't Ms. Tope Mrs. Jerome's sister?
Woah. Don't know why anyone would reply to this comment with such a rude response 🤔 But I agree they should've gotten new counsel after the 1st or 2nd sh!tshow with this "attorney". Maybe she is related or there's something else going on we don't know. The Jerome's seem to be intelligent and nice people.. anyhoo, it sucks they've been soo terribly represented! Hopefully the new counsel they appoint will know what they're doing 🤞😬🤞
"Wow" -- Judge Simpson.
The judge had a heck of a Friday😣
Why did Judge Simpson let her continue trying to argue her point when he has already explained things 5 or 6 times?
A lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client.
I feel so bad for judge Simpson sometimes having to deal with people that can't read, thank you much for the upload
These people said I don't know sir? Really if I was this judge I would say dismissed
The conflicted lawyer is dense and annoying.
Thank god she’s fired lol. Just the way she acts and not accepting an answer that suits her, tells me everything about her on what type of property manager/lawyer she is. I can tell you just from her arguments now and in the past, she’s very controlling and disrespectful
I wouldn't let that attorney prepare my will let alone a complex landlord tenant case she is well past retirement she is terrible