What You Should Know about the Stone-Campbell Movement (Emmanuel Christian Seminary)
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- An Emmanuel Institutes seminar from Emmanuel Christian Seminary in Johnson City, TN. Dr. Douglas Foster of Abilene Christian University explains what the Stone-Campbell Movement offers to the Church today.
Milligan class of '73 here. Nice to see LeRoy Lawson and Bob Wetzel in the crowd.
Looks like they gave the old folks home a real treat!
Oct 2 2022, ... Do we need a label when understanding Jesus? Studying the KJV (1611 Tyndall )above other alphabet , scripture to scripture . Why? Because more subtle intellectual deviations were introduced through ALL of those SINCE the Apostles, numerous scripture, & Word of mouth from the Waldenses...Study up kids ..this sort of ' restoration' knowledge has a lot of tares as with ALL churches ( small c ) because a body with a student or believer is insufficient ....the power of the Holy Spirit can only be verified through the faith and love in Jesus. THE personal relationship one has in Jesus is alone the most powerful love only verifiable through HIM ....
I'm not a fan of this sort of academic proceedings. Appears to be like the Jesuit college I attended.
Read Alexander Campbell's letters for yourself. Go to the actual source before making a judgement call. Read them carefully and objectively. I think you'll be surprised. (They are available via various sources online.)
Man the comments really show how unified we are.
Past tense, in reference to breast cancer: yea! GO INTELLECTUAL ABILITY, plus good motives, patience, love, and grace.
So important material. We are the portuguese Stone and Campbell movement youtube page.
Have any of you heard of "the New Perspective on Paul"? Can anyone explain its relevance to this discussion?
First century Christianity. The Church Jesus built
Watched 29 mins of this. No Bible passage given, just a lot of nothing said, hesitation in speach, confused presentation as to what this all is.
I'm just curious...what do those of you who mock water baptism do with scripture where Jesus said "believe and be baptised"? How about Matt. 19-20 where Jesus told His disciples to "go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you..... On the day of Pentecost after presenting the gospel to those observing this event many believed that this man they had just crucified was indeed the Son of God and cried out " men and brethren what shall we do? Peter said "repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2: 37- 38. And in verse 41 " then those who gladly received the word were baptized; and that day about 3000 souls were added to them. Continuing on to verse 47b...And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." When you reference other scripture related you find that baptism puts us into Christ. People, I urge you to stop mocking and get into your Bible.
We "believe" and then we should be baptized.
@@scrappypooh1515 you're right. Without belief we have no desire to obey the other commands of obedience. After the people on the day of Penticost believed that this man they had just crucified was indeed the son of God they ask Peter and other apostles what they should do. Peter replied " repent and be baptized for remission of sins" . Read the entire chapter of Acts 2. This was the day the doors to Christ's kingdom were opened. All that gladly received were baptized and the Lord added them to His church...His body...His kingdom.
@goinghome we're baptized because we love Christ and want to obey Him. Whose church do you belong to?
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@goinghome can you prove that logically with scripture? Using the grammer of the scripture you can never prove it, only the opposite. Baptism is where a sinner connects to Christ's atonement, not before. Read the Bible.
a Bible authentic relationship with God, Christians, and non-christians
Sad but true the more I read the more I dont know
Not just that but a lot if not the huge majority of "Christendom" put their berean duty off on other fallible men and look to the as teachers
Instead of the word itself and the Holy Spirit giving the understanding
It's not even funny how many cults and sects are what people flock to as "Christianity"
The bible dispels all this and that's why they hate it and want their ears tickled
It's a thought that the great falling away isn't one even but rather a cumulative effect of all these apostate heresies finally being uprooted
The Christian in name only is soon to be an extinct creature
The blood of Martyrs are the seeds of the Faith
And the ones that go out from us because they weren't ever of us are pale in comparison to the saul to paul types that will be doing the persecution and see the Holy Spirit and be ministered unto and they will be 10 20 50 and 100 times more profitable for the Body of Christ than these cults all put together
Like it literally takes only 15 to 30 minutes max to refute not just biblically and scripturally these widely held beliefs but they dont even want to do that
They love the lie and hate the truth and it's why they believe as they do
They've been given over to the strong delusion
Religion is not the answer, (meaning the list of restored list of biblical religious disciplines, every sect has them from protestant to Catholic), Discipline is very very helpful to the daily direction of life, Discipline and religious practices has made many athletes, musicians, and scientists great people in their human lifetimes!
However Christ is the answer to after lifetime, not baptism, or restorative theology.. Sorry dudes, the restoration movement birthed various cults like: SDA's, JW's, Mormons, Millerites and ICOC's The restoration movement is the birth of the whole "Burnt over district" in Western NY filled with many heretical leaders starting their own religious sects.. This area and time in America has cultic undertones so beware of the attitude of works over grace being preached by those who were in this movement!
It's a worthy endeavor. Success is the progressive realization of a personal worthwhile goal.
Cultism. They preach joining the right church. Listen. They don't preach becoming followers of Jesus. By their works are they known.
last time I check stone and Campbell were bothe just plain humans....with sin, like all of us.Im not sold on those two guys....I'll follow the Jesus movement !!#keepitsimple
63 years before Christ the Romans invaded Israel; were the Romans who translated the old testament to Latin also were the romans who created the new testament in years 70 and 110 after Christ. During the beginnings of the new testament until the Protestant reformation the Catholic church had all those books.
which books are you saying are missing?
It's part of the restoration movement, of which all groups within this grouping are suspect
because of smith?
@@ruggedlifejewelry because the church never failed
Woah...I recognize some of the people in the crowd. Wasn't expecting that.
I've got 35 different *churches within 5 miles of my house. My neighbor on the left is church of Christ. My neighbor on the right is a Muslim. The neighbor across the street is a Catholic. The neighbor behind me is a Mormon. Religion causes confusion.
No, your neighbor to the left is a Christian, and they go to church of christ(which is mentioned in the Bible).
Just read His scriptures
A CoC lady shared “Christ” with me in 1971. I gloriously encounter “Jesus”-more correctly Yeshua-in my apartment. It changed my life forever. 4 years later a CoC woman with a very dogmatic religious spirit tried to tell me I was not saved bc I was not CoC. It offended me so much.
I am married to a CoC. He’s the nicest. But don’t try to tell me the Holy Spirit is no longer operating on earth today. And I’ve been baptized 4 times. It didn’t save me. It was obedience. And don’t tell me something is wrong with worshipping with music instruments. Etc. etc. etc.
I cannot have an open conversation with anyone I have met that is CoC.
I go to a coC but I understand what you are saying. I believe in the work of the Holy Spirit today and musical instruments. I do however believe in baptism as an act of obedience to become born again. The sinner's prayer is not biblical but I am terribly sorry this all happened to you. Don't allow that lady to discourage your pursuit of Yeshua
Yeah us means ‘ to blot out his name ‘ wrong Hebrew !! Not paleo ancient Hebrew where his name was always Jesus
Yeshua is from Kabbalah
It’s angel Metatron and Enoch and prince of this realm
Your in a lie
Calling on wrong name
Go to a Pepperdine lectureship. You’ll find the same thing. Very sad.
Why do so many Stone-Campbelists deny the origins of their movement? Every person I've met from this tradition has been pretentious. I sometimes feel they aren't following Christ, but that Christ is following them ...
I attend one but I am not that way and neither is my husband. It is hard to find a body besides them that aren't Calvinistic or NAR
This teacher is hilarious. Why not use the truth?
Redigging the wells.
Yeah this is just another coC bash fest.
Wow what a boring "teaching" this chap said a load of nothing for over an hour?
This is all you need to know about the Stone Campbell movement: it was the beginning of the cults called the CoC and then later the ICoC.
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I spent 34yrs in CoC's.. "they" don't want to admit it but its 100% true. What AC and BS taught ***IS WHAT CoC's DO***
Dispensationalism and the resultant "new testament church" are NOT Biblical.
What is Biblical are keeping the Laws of God (Yah) and having the testimony of Jesus (Yeshua).
Its absolutely astounding that in all those years I never actually believed what Yeshua said in Matt 5:17-18
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished"
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You fail to recognize that through the cross of Christ, you died to the law and your life is hid with Christ in God. “For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
Galatians 2:19-20
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” Romans 7:4
If you get nothing else from those scriptures, remember this phrase “who loved me and gave himself for me”. ✝️🙏🏼📖
@@st.christopher1155 No sir I don't fail to see anything. I can relate to you because I used to wear those same shoes of dispensationalism for over 3 decades. Unwittingly your simply parroting things you have heard. Ideas that cause us to use scripture out of context. It's very hard to see scripture as it was written with a preconceived notion.
In the above post your trying to say the law of God has died. (you probably would point to Col 2 for that proof)
But it hasn't. Yeshua, John, and Paul there in Gal say exactly that.
It's not the Law that died on the cross.. its **the curse of breaking the law** that died on it. The Law of God still stands and we are all guilty of breaking it. However we have hope of forgiveness through our Messiah the Christ Yeshua (aka Jesus). Now that we are saved... get busy and be obedient to Gods commandments. If your a thief (Command #8) stop stealing. If your a Sabbath breaker (command #4) stop breaking it. If you eat unclean things (that were never approved to eat) stop eating them Ect...
Here are some verses to consider and vid I made for Col ch2
Matt 5:17-18 (Yeshua speaking) Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
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#1 - I am not a diapensationalist.
#2 - I am not trying to say the Law of God died.
#3 - I am not parroting things that I have heard, I simply quoted scripture. Please go reread my post and the scriptures I mentioned.
#5 - the gospel truth is that Christ Jesus died to the law and that you died with Him. You were also raised and seated with Him. Go read the apostle Paul’s letters concerning this.
#6 - I know you are having a hard time grasping this reality but I must emphasize that the entire reason for what He did is because “He loved you and gave Himself for you”.
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@@st.christopher1155 Denying and telling someone to go read again is called reification. It's just restating the same thing.
I HAVE studied this subject in great depth and is why I take the stand I do.
Yeshua did not abolish the law in part nor in whole. This is why we see the messianic jews, the apostles, and the new gentile converts ALL obeying the laws of God.
Paul straight up names five of them in Col ch2. (did you review my study?)
As further scriptural proof here are some *POST CROSS* accounts / warnings where new converts were obeying the Sabbath:
Acts 13:14-15 - went into the synagogue on the *Sabbath* day and sat down. And after the reading of the *Law and the Prophets*
Acts 13:27 - the voices of the Prophets which are read every *Sabbath*
Acts 13:42-44 - In synagogue on *Sabbath*. And on the *next Sabbath* almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.
Acts 15:21 - Writings of Moses being read in the synagogues every *Sabbath*
Acts 16:13 - On *Sabbath* prayer was customarily made at the river.
Acts 17:2 - Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for *three Sabbaths* reasoned with them from the Scriptures.
Acts 18:4 - Paul reasoned in the synagogue *every Sabbath*, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
Matt 24:20 - pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the *Sabbath*
Isaiah 66:23 - And it shall come to pass That from one *New Moon* to another, and from one *Sabbath to another*, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord
Rev 12:17 - her offspring, who *KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS* of God and have the *testimony of Jesus Christ*
Brother please consider that the Laws of God DO apply to us today.
And yes of coarse Jesus and His father in Heaven Loves us so much that He lived a perfect life and paid the debt we owe. So let us not continue in "sin"
Saw someone like Shayne Mullins
Be dipped or be destroyed, don't sin after you are dipped, use The New Testament and No Musical Instruments!
Lol
We should not be using the scientific method for scripture...it was devised by a Rosicrucian Bacon...We need to rely on the Holy Spirit not our own intellect or scientism to come to conclusions. Alex wanted to bring in the millennial reign through the order or things but that isn't what scriptures indicate. The only thing that is valuable about that movement is believer's baptism and full immersion for the remission of sins and being born again.
perhaps there will be talks without Dougs - Doug-less!
I just love how Satan uses people to attack the Church. Thats the (Church of Christ) any chance he gets. Wether it’s by attacking the man-made schools, that have turned liberal, which are not God’s concern, and it’s not his fault. Christ died for the church, not the fallen Pepperdine, or Harding etc,
Second, I could care less about Campbell. He didn’t die for me, and he didn’t establish the church. Just as Paul said “Am I of Peter, etc” Again, just another reason people use to attack the church.
“The church” means 1. That’s 1 more than 0 and 1 less than 2. How hard is that to understand? You have to go out of your way to not comprehend this. You also have to go out of your way, to not understand what is required for salvation.
Campbell got used by Satan. His movement divided churches further.
Amen brother.
How easy it must be for a false doctrine to creep into one of these churches
Naw... it was baked in 200 yrs ago.
Was the Early Christian Church the Roman Catholic Church? Yes!
Hermas The Shepherd of Hermas Book I Vision 2 ch 4 [60-120 AD]
"Therefore shall you Hermas write two little books and send one to Clement, The Bishop of Rome, and one to Grapte. Clement shall then send it to the cities abroad, because that is his duty"
Irenaeus of Lyons Adversus Haereses book 3 ch 3.3 [120-180 AD]
….the Catholic Church founded and organized in Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church of Rome, on account of its preeminent authority...
Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 32 (160- 240 ad)
"Where was [the heretic] Macron, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, the Church of Rome, under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, until on account of their ever restless curiosity,with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled
Caius Fragment 2 AGAINST THE HERESY OF ARTEMON ch 1 (180-240 ad)
For they say that all those of the first age, and the apostles themselves, both received and taught those things which these men now maintain; and that the truth of Gospel preaching was preserved until the times of Victor, who was the thirteenth bishop in Rome from Peter,
Origen De Principiis Book 4 par 8 [185-254 AD]
through His only-begotten Son Jesus Christ, what appears to us, who observe things by a right way of understanding, to be the standard and discipline delivered to the apostles by Jesus Christ, and which they handed down in succession to their posterity, the teachers of the holy Catholic Church of Rome.
Peter of Alexandria Genuine Acts of Peter (260-311ad)
A cycle of two hundred and eighty-five years from the incarnation of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ had rolled round, when the venerable Theonas, the bishop of this city of Rome, by an ethereal flight, mounted upwards to the celestial kingdoms. To him Peter, succeeding at the helm of the Church of Rome, was by all the clergy and the whole Christian community appointed bishop, the sixteenth in order from Mark the Evangelist, who was also archbishop of the city of Rome.
Roman Catholic Church began in 1054 AD, when it split from the Eastern Orthodox Church. Historical fact. Look it up. Learn history.
Preaching out of context.
This guy doesn't know anything about the church of Christ movement. He wanted all the haters in one room, so they all can bash my faith. Shame on him
what is your faith my belief is christ in you the hope go glory. as the more he manifests in me the more i become like him .when the bible says we can do all thing throw christ we dont believe it. ask any christan if they cam be perfect while in the body on earth . i believe christ will not come back and rule the earth i do believe he will come in me and rule my earth if he des that to say 144000 people they will deliver the creation but only throw jesus
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1) You called that audience “Haters”,,Really?
2) He didn’t know about the Church of Campbell? He was a professor at Lipscomb.
3) “Shame on him” for what?
I smell a rich, white girl, who takes SSRIs, believes in vampires, and gets her weekly brainwashing of “Facts” from a Cult of Campbell assembly.
Mic Drop.
Bit of a victim complex huh? This video does not attack church of Christ, just poles a little fun.
It is obvious you don't know too much about anything related to the Restoration Movement. Doug Foster is a leading scholar in this area. A student of his, I was challenged to do further research and discovered that Mr Foster is right on. Maybe you don't know any thing else except how to tear someone down to your level. Shame on you!!
Sorry Farquhar, but the Church of Christ bashes others.
it's sad when one cult debunks another cult that debunks another cult that debunks another cult until all of the denominational, non-denominational and various other cults debunk each other ad nauseum I'm a cultist, he's a cultist, she's a cultist wouldn't you like to be a cultist too? be a cultist join our religion. the calvinist/baptist cult loves to debunk everyone else lol
ya thanks but no thanks, I think I'll just read my Bible and believe it just as it reads. and be just a plain old every day Christian without a name over the door, even though I assemble myself in a nominal denomination, I just want to be a Christian and let the name over the door fade away like a bad smell.
if you don't believe like we do then you are not saved and going to hell, no if you do not believe like we do then you are not saved and going to hell, I am so sick of seeing the members of denominational churches makes these claims. and some are downright nasty about it like the baptist/calvinists uhg they have some of the worst people out of all religions, it's like osas becomes a magnifying element in their lives and only magnifies the bad character traits! if someone has a bad attitude to start with, osasing them puts that bad attitude on steroids! many an osaser has an "I don't give a flying flip what you say or think" you are nothing but a dirty rotten lying sack of pond scum devil now run along and go to HELL! I have met many osasers who are just like that.
A humanist.
cults loves this stuff
All Calvinists refer to anyone whom they disagree, with the pejorative term "cult." It makes them feel secure, while they simultaneously know they cannot prove with Scripture their Calvinist dogma.
How do we know this is a cult? Churches of Christ divided churches further. This is Satan's device.
@@larrymcclain8874 No one actually read what theologian Calvin wrote. He never came up with those 5 points or whatever TULIP. If you think you have high enough intellec, why not go find what Calvin actually wrote.
Camelites
Hmmm. They must be from the middle east and ride camels.
They follow Alexander Campbell. They deceive themselves which is the worse. They are wrong about how to get saved. They don't understand God's grace. They have no salvation security. Sad.
i am a COC but im not a campbelites cult the mother of all cults who preach the gospel of H2O salvation rituals ( baptism)...
so you're a sectarian?
Against water baptism?
Coc still pumps the work of baptism in order to be saved.
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Believing is a work. Ask a lawyer if thinking is a work. Jesus commanded baptism(believe&baptized)(baptizing them in the name...).
Read John 6:26-29... believing is a work.
If you don't believe Jesus, well ok, good luck!