How Long Does GORE-TEX Last?
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- čas přidán 16. 02. 2023
- Even though this material is known for its durability, how long does it actually withstand the test of time within an article of clothing?
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I have a Gore-Tex medical membrane soft patch closing up a rather large hole in the dura that encases my brain. Plenty of fluid and moisture there but little abrasion (fingers crossed). Thirteen years and still performing well.
Better not listen to heavy metal
@@KL-tn1xc I'd be honestly scared to headbang
No head banging, roller coasters that go upside down or scuba diving. Anything that exerts pressure in the skull is too painful, regardless of the patch.
You're a walking badass. Wishing you the best.
Holy shit dude
Imagine forgetting to mention that the DWR treatment can be reapplied at home with 15€ worth of chemicals. Funny how "the GORE-TEX basically becomes useless" actually means breathability is temporalily reduced (sometimes significantly) for as long as the outer layer is soaked, due to the existance of a continuous liquid water membrane in the outer fabric. This means that during a wet-out event, when the outer layer gets soaked, you're vulnerable not to the outside water, BUT YOUR OWN SWEAT. Once the outer layer dries up, the garment's breathability comes back to normal and there's always the option to reapply the DWR treatment at home, for cheap, whenever you feel like it.
Frankly, this short is misleading, click-baity and a blatant insult to our collective intelligence as viewers.
As one lady once put it: "DISGUSTING"
Gore-tex and Teflon are made from the most toxic chemical in the world PFAs...you should avoid both of these
i agree. when i read about goretex, its about being waterproof, everything else is a bonus. As long as its waterproof, its still good in my books.
For real, even if the outer layer is “soaked” nothing is getting inside. Basically its still waterproof but not breathable, i rather have that in a storm that that stupid garbage bag analogy
@@SSSlid The DWR is basically just a coating of strands or a mesh (not quite sure) of polymers on the face fabric, which increase the wetting angle of water droplets that land on the jacket. Now, in order for this to work, you need a clean fabric, no dirt, dust or body oils and you need to heat it up after treatment to actually create the polymers. Washing is a must, drying is optional. If you wish to use a spray on coating, dry it first and then heat it uniformly to reconstitute the DWR, if you're using a wash in solution, just dunk it in a warm mixture of water and DWR wash in solution and then dry it. For the heating thing a tumble dryer works best.
You guys don't understand what's he's saying. He is emphasising the fact that buying an expensive gore tex jacket is not going to improve breathability or have good breathability when dwr wears off. But buying a soft shell jacket with dwr is going to be cheaper, does the same thing, and is more breathable than gore tex. Basically, Gore tex is a marketing gimmick. But everyone is too blind to know this.
Been looking at buying a good waterproof, came across a company called Paramo. They don't use forever chemicals, their jackets can be sewn back together if they become damaged, and they mimic the natural ability of animal fur to draw moisture away from the skin!
Was looking for someone to mention the forever chemicals. This is the main reason I never consider buying anything that has gore-tex. PFOA and PFOS are still being used and produced despite that we are already aware that they cause significant health issues.
Paramo make top tier stuff, I have an Alta 3 and it's excellent and much better for the planet than gore-tex!
Um no... you're wrong. When the outer layer gets saturated (which it will in any sustained period of heavy rain even when brand new) the membrane underneath still keeps the water out. It's the breathability that is then reduced when that happens, just open a pit zip to vent some air.
Fair point. Also, the external DWR coating can (and should) be refreshed with a toss in the dryer. Go figure.
I feel like he ment to say its useless as its no longer waterproof breathable just waterproof
Not simply reduced but rendered completely useless. GoreTex loses breathability once water blocks the exits. Venting fresh air through other features of a jacket misses the point.
It's a bit like buying a snorkel to scuba dive. But you discover that it has a flaw and quickly fills with water such that you're unable to breathe. So I come along and suggest that you duct tape a second tube to the snorkel so you can uncap the ends and use it to resume breathing whenever your snorkel fills with water.
This is a bad take. If the outside shell fabric isn't compromised then even if it wets out the Gore-Tex is still impermeable to water ingress if it's intact. But any membrane can be punctured and face the same problems. If the jacket wets out and loses its water repellency the Gore-Tex still does it's job of not letting rain in, it just breathes less well until the jacket dries a bit. Ignoring extreme outdoor cases, for city wear it will last for decades. I know because both of mine have lasted at least 15 years each.
+ it's recommend to wash and reproof the Gore-Tex jackets regularly using dedicated products. This prolongs the lifespan of the gear
@@andriinetribiichuk53 Yes, but the water repellency on the outside layer has always worn out quickly, long before people on the internet made a big deal about it. Willing to bet that lots of people don't bother about re-applying Nikwax or your treatment of choice. It's a big nothing burger for most people, the jacket might not be water repellent, but it's still water-proof.
@@stuntmonkey00 exactly this. i could care less if my WATERPROOF jacket is not water repellent anymore. All i care about is that i stay dry.
@@MuiKaHo but if you are sweating and the jackets doesn't breath and let that sweat evaporate then would you not get wet from your own sweat?
@@Amor_fati.Memento_Mori yea, but the difference is time. If it's raining you get wetalmost immediately, but sweat? It'll take an hour if not longer. But at the end of the day, even if it can "breathe" it's very marginal.
If you want to throw your goretex jackets away. Please send it to me and I can upcycle it. I’ve worked on 1980s Goretex jackets and they still function to this day.
Except Gortex stopped being Goretex like 25 years ago or more.
This video does not make much sense. Don't throw your jacket in the trash when it doesn't bead off water anymore.
When the water repellent treatment (DWR) of the face fabric wears out and the jacket doesn't bead off the water as good - the face fabric will wet out. This doesn't mean that the Gore-Tex membrane will let the water through. But it will sacrifice the breathability of the jacket, and you can get wet from the sweat. That's why there are special gear care products, for example from Nikwax, you can use to restore the DWR and keep your jacket at a 100% of it's performance.
You have a point about Gore-Tex jackets wearing out, but it usually happens due to delamination of the membrane, or the seam tape glue giving up after years of use.
Gore-tex and Teflon are made from the most toxic chemical in the world PFAs...you should avoid both of these
Except Gore-Tex isn't Gore-Tex, it's a knock off of stuff that was knocking off Gore-Tex.
So you're paying a lot of money to have something that either breathes OR repells water.
Just buy a sweat shirt and a thin plastic poncho.
some brands (like Harbour or Barbour i think?) use their own materials and also use Wax to make their jackets waterproof
Yes thats good as Gore-tex and Teflon are made from the most toxic chemical in the world PFAs...you should avoid both of these
It’s just rain. You’re not made of sugar, you won’t melt.
So you want to pay 1000 dollars for a 20 dollar jacket, that will be useless because it's a 20 dollar jacket.
There’s nothing wrong with an environmentally questionable jacket/coat…so long as the environmental damage is offset by it being a durable product.
I disagree. It doesn't matter how long you keep the garment eventually it will end up in landfill as not recyclable. The thing is made from forever chemicals so you will still be damaging the ecosystem, just not so much. It still matters.
There are other functional materials that we used for years before the advent of Goretex, Ventile cotton, wax coated cotton, oilskin and rubberised cotton (Mackintosh). Goretex is not necessary.
Why my respectable CZcamsrs suddenly putting out such questionable videos that make me wanna question the rest of their content?
Sir, if the outside layer is wet, and the Gore Tex is not broken, it doesn't suddenly become useless as it will still do its job and keep outside water away from the body. The abrasion issue is that if a hole forms from wear and tear, then water will pass through all the layers and get inside. So what if the outside gets wet because the water resistant layer wears away? That's not a failure on Gore Tex, the body is still dry inside if the membrane is fine. If you don't wanna walk around in a layer of wetness, wear something waterproof like a plastic poncho.
This video comes off as so badly because of the oh no jacket is wet, Gore Tex useless, throw it away vibes. If the Gore Tex is keeping the body dry (ignoring the sweat issue) then that thin membrane is doing it's job.
And someone is unhappy with 'waterproofness' of their jacket, then they should return it or try the manufacturer's warranty. Throwing the jacket away is so wasteful if no effort is made to remedy the problem. If there is a water leak due to a failure by Gore Tex, they have warranty program of which I have seen used to replace or repair various motorcycle gear over the years.
After further discussion with the motorcyclist, he explains any wetness forming inside would mostly be from sweat being trapped because it wouldn't be able to vaporize and pass through the Gore Tex due to the pressure differential of the other layer being soaked through. Otherwise when you are going down the highway at 65+mph in the rain, the jacket and pants are going to get wet no matter how often water repellent treatment is reapplied, but importantly the body isn't soaked. The Gore Tex does its job and when it's not wet outside, you aren't swampy inside given the permability of the membrane. He invests in the gear with the Gore Tex over other liners since it does a great job comparatively and for the warranty.
I showed him the video and he says you are sounds like you are sensationalizing and the outside wet, sweat getting trapped inside issue exist regardless of brand.
💞 My Gore Tex jacket is 30 years old. Doesn't repel water as new, but still my go to rain jacket. I love my Gore Tex. 💞
But can’t you just wash with Nikwax to restore the DWR coating?
You can. He has a point about Gore-Tex jackets wearing out, but it usually happens due to delamination of the membrane, or the seam tape glue giving up. The video makes no sense to be fair lol
Your analysis doesn't make any sense. You point out that Goretex doesn't handle abrasion well which is why it is usually sandwiched between other layers. Fine so far.
The problem is when you say if the outer layer becomes saturated, the Goretex underneath becomes useless. Saturation does not equal abrasion. You are advising people to throw out an expensive piece of kit unnecessarily.
Furthermore, even if the outer layer did become so worn that it was no longer protecting an underlayer of Gortex from abrasion, the outer layer could easily be patched.
You may want to consult with more frugal people before you make another such didactic video.
I mean, wouldn't make more sense to talk about the fact that Gore-tex is essentially PFOA?
@@StellaMariaGiulia • No, it wouldn't make more sense.
@@yvonnetomenga5726 oops sorry I meant to post it in the main thread.
@@StellaMariaGiulia • No problem. Thanks for clarifying.
It's not an expensive piece of kit, it's overpaying for basic rain coat technology.
Also Gortex isn't Goretex.
The DWR can be reapplied, don't throw away your garment
Lots of smart people in this comment section
I can confirm, the PTFE membrane in my North Face jacket began to fell apart after a year of wear. It's mostly because I picked the wrong size and the jacket was rubbin on my hips.
Judging from the number of "No, youre wrong!" you upset a lot of people who got roped into goretex and over paid for jackets and other items. haha
I stopped buying clothes w/gortex few yrs ago after orig (non HWood) DuPont doc film.
Got an arcteryx beta and have used it in the city for 5 years now. It does t repel water like before despite using Granger's and nikwax to clean and then reproof it. Despite water not gliding off me like before, I'm still technically dry underneath my other layers which is still a win for me.
Play a bit with the temperatures and durations of applied heat during the activation of the new DWR coating. It's a bit finicky but you should be able to get it back to brand new eventually.
@@alexandru-sergiucoman5229 I came across an article saying top load washing machines are a no go when it comes to cleaning rain jackets. What do you think about that?
@@CaRLO12121A I use a top load washing machine as well, haven't had any problems so far. I think you should be good honestly.
My last goretex jacket lasted me 7 years of very heavy use. I had to change it because all the fabric layers were basically separating from too much use. The jacket I bought after that one is five years old and still going strong as the layer materials have been greatly improved. You just wash and reapply the DWR coating and you're good to go.
The point of goretex is to do gortex things and be durable, not to be just durable.
Gortext doesn't even have real Gortex in it, they swapped it out for a worse material that won't give you as much cancer.
I have Gore tex leather Gloves and pants from Burton and it’s been about 12 years.
Lasting me very well and still going strong.
It’s worth the money that I’ll tell ya!💰
Actually no. There are tons of products that cost a fraction as much, that are made by the exact same companies.
They just don't have the Gortex label.
I really like Fjallraven’s waxed poly cotton system but I also don’t live in the rainiest place either. Then if I did, I would probably be into those impermeable Cain coats like Helly Hansen makes. Either way, I say meh to Gortex.
Dunno man, my parents have goretex coats older than i am that still work fine
Yes, because those have real Gortex in them, because they're from long ago.
Could you define "can't wear out," becuase I don't think I know the word/phrase like you may.
The Columbia watertight 2 jacket has been waterproof for me.
OH PLEASE SISTER this is so really
I don't believe in waterproof shoes any longer. Every single pair of "waterproof shoes" I ever got (Goretex and others) lost its protection after a moderate shower. The most they can deal with is a drizzle.
another fun side note: Gore-Tex is made entirely of specially conditioned polytetrafluoroethylene (Teflon)
(the most common forever chemical)
No it's not. They stopped doing that like 20 years ago. Gortex isn't even Gortext now.
I believe this video is only a half-truth.
Overtime, the outer layer will get saturated but it doesn't mean it's still not waterproof. Goretex membrane will keep water out, caveat is not much breathability.
You can use DWR or heat-treatment to restore your outer layer...
Please don't throw away your jacket like he says 😅
Incorrect!! Gore-tex is 100% (to industry definition) waterproof and breathable. The outer layer needs a wax or spray so the water beads off the outer layer and stops the outer layer becoming saturated which stops the gore-tex from breathing in the saturated area but the gore-tex is still waterproof. If the outer layer becomes saturated after many months of use, then all you have to do is reapply the wax and spray so the water beads off again.
If the material can't be both, it's just like all the materials that cost 25% as much.
You can literally just buy a durable polyester and cotton coat, and rub wax on yourself.
Also, Gortex isn't Gortext, they stopped using the real stuff before some of us were even born.
Well, it's not that drastic: there are enough products to put on a new water repellent coating onto the jacket.
Screw GoreTex, I'm trowing away 5 of my 10 jackets.
Probably even worse than owning it too
Do you know that DWR coating is a sprayed on layer that you can buy in the supermarket?
You can spray that on any jacket....
Been using a 3 layer H2NO jacket in rain and snow for like six years.. didn’t even realize it wasn’t a gore tex ripoff til very recently. It works fine.. I always liked it cause I don’t sound like I’m wearing a trash bag. Knowing it’s better for the world is a huge plus.
Just reapply DWR, then it will be waterproof again
or just wash your jacket? dwr can be replenished since we're talking pores here.
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Its interesting, because there are some othe alternatives like termore. Are they so toxic for nature and so fragile too?
GORE-TEX is actually PTFE, E-PTFE to be precise. It's chemically inert and non-toxic, it's even used for medical applications. However, the manufacturing process involves some rather nasty compounds, but it's not like you can't turn those into non-toxic stuff as well.
Frankly, argon and xenon are just as much of a "forever chemical" as teflon seeing as they're inert gases. (PTFE is teflon)
@@alexandru-sergiucoman5229 DuPone paid many millions of dollars to thouthandsv of people that suffered from teflom production because of its toxicity. Yeap, really, it is not toxic at all
@@dimab1257 Teflon isn't toxic, teflon is PTFE, PTFE is chemically inert. It's production process however isn't and cutting corners can expose workers to some really nasty stuff, this can lead to workers suffering from a condition colloquially named "polymer fever". When used in cooking utensils, excesive temperatures and sustained heat flow will cause PTFE to break down into carcinogenic compounds. Chemically inert doesn't mean utterly indestructible compound. I'd say as long as you don't encounter 500°C weather you should be good with your GORE-TEX membrane.
Oh yeah, and it's DuPont, NOT DuPone.
@@alexandru-sergiucoman5229 but why should we support any companies which still use PFAs?? Its the most toxic chemical for the environment and humankind
@@traceymarshall5886 Teflon is a DuPont brand name, PTFE is teflon, not all teflon is PTFE. PTFE is not PFA and has different properties. Also, I'm not endorsing anything, just stating the facts.And there is worse stuff than PFAs out there, way worse. The US Federal Government is playing Hot Potato with 70 years worth of nuclear waste awaiting the creation of underground permanent storage and people act as if polymers are such a bad thing. Remember the ozone layer crysis caused by aerosolized compounds? Why are we still buying hair sprays?
Munch on that one.
Ugh, sorry, but the jacket is still “useful” 🙄
Yeah, like a 20 dollar jacket as opposed to a 1000 dollar one.
Wow, this video is widely incorrect.
So what DO we buy ?
Ventile cotton, waxed cotton, oilskin or rubberised cotton (Mackintosh).
Literally anything else that is durable.
abrasion ? aren't you self contradicting with your other fjalraven video ?
No. I've seen both.
You are wrong
I have a pair of velvet-like dress shoes that have Gore-tex, from 30 years ago. I honestly don’t know what its supposed to do since I don’t wear them during wet weather, so it’s probably useless unless I get caught waiting for the bus in the afternoon. Still decent as shoes since I rarely wear them😉