Predicting the NFC NORTH
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- Predicting the NFC NORTH. Today we break down the NFC NORTH. Who will win the division, which moves stand out from free agency & the Draft for the Packers, Bears, Vikings, & Lions. Can quarterback Jordan Love pick up where he left off? The Lions paid Jared Goff & Amon Ra-St. Brown are they real Super Bowl contenders? Rookies Caleb Williams & J.J. McCarthy are tasked with saving two franchises, but will JJ even start over Sam Darnold this season? Jordan Love will win the Packers a Super Bowl.
Tom Grossi & Brandon Perna of ThatsGoodSports discussing all the NFL news. GPS The Grossi Perna Show.
#nfl #broncos #packers
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my gf pointed out that Tom sounds like Timon from Lion King and now i cant unhear it lol
He does have Nathan Lane qualities.
Tomon
Tomon. Or Tomin if you prefer
Not gonna lie, it makes it hard for me to listen to.
Now i cant either, thanks man
Don't sleep on Montgomery, he runs angry, I think the Bears made a mistake letting him go.
@@SonicSlicer Didn't let him go, just not a part of the rebuild. Good memories from Monty
@@Beardownsports You're right, I remember hearing that. I just can't help feel like it's a mistake though.
@Beardownsports they need to start having you on the show, bears fans need someone to represent us because I personally don't see how tom thinks we're a 7-10 team
I don't think, I know, the Bears shoulda kept him.
@@Snoil Nah... the Bears are just fine at RB
Enjoy your Holiday 🐻⬇️
So I figured as a lions fan I should say something about the running back position.
Gibbs and Monty are essentially both the starting running back for the offense. Those two are responsible for setting up certain schemes and plays on any drive. So the question on any given drive during a game is this, do you want strength, or speed.
Basically the lions have a rotation system in RB, Ben Johnson will utilize both backs to set up plays for either the run or the pass, and for how talented both players are, they can get gains when they need to. It’s a run first, then pass offense and the run sets up everything when you factor in the offensive line and how good they are too.
@@CoopsGarcia I don't think anyone is downplaying the Lions run game. It's a two headed monster and probably the best in the division
@@chrisjarrett4208it’s the best in the league. Only arguable other is Atlanta.
The Lions run game is great for just about any situation. Need to grind a few yards to get a first down or touchdown: you got Monty. Need a speedy guy to finesse around the defense or act as an additional pass catcher? You got Gibbs.
The Lions have the best duo running back in NFL in my opinion.
@@travisvanalst4698Packers probably
Overtaking that title this year with Jacobs/lloyd/Dillon. 3 RBs all 220+ lbs is going to be hard to stop.
Tom, you'll like this story. That Packers/Broncos game you were talking about early in the stream? There was a place a few of us Packers fans congregated at in our town, the local Golf Course. The Manager of the place had gotten Sunday Ticket so we could watch Packers games, and along the way some of us pitched in and got him another TV for the place. Anyway, the day this game went on, the Packers were on the two TVs by the main bar, and the Vikings game was on the little crappy TV on the other side of the room. The Vikings fans had left and the Packers had the game well in hand, so I went to watch Vikings/Cardinals. It was in the middle of the Fourth Quarter and I watched what was a pretty sloppy game. Towards the end, the rest of the place heard me raising quite a ruckus and asked what was going on. I told them that the Vikings were about to blow a 14 point lead. When Poole caught that pass, I hit the floor on my back with my arms in the air signaling the winning TD. When it went to review one of the guys said something like, "You better hope that's a score, or you just looked stupid." and I replied, "It's not hte first time I've acted like an idiot in here. It's not even the first time this season ..."
I love how when they Mentioned Arnold and Branch you can just hear Tom mumbling to himself still upset about how they jumped the packers to draft them lol
Yea my fb got hacked n taken and i wasnt smart enough to instently change my password. Ya it was a click on this screen thing from a ex gf of a friend n i feel for the short bus persinality. Smh fck hackers
The lions are loaded and young with experience. The packers looked good down the stretch last year to. I am excited about the lions talent this year.
My Bears have a great team on paper. They should be good, but it's the Bears at the end of the day and you never know how a season is going to go. 2nd half of last season the team played really well against good opponents, ending the season at 7-10 after starting 0-4. But, Caleb is still a rookie. There's a lot of new players that might need some time to gel with one another. And I've seen this before lol... Bears teams that are supposed to be good end up being mid, at best. Then years you don't expect them to be good, like 2018, they are great. Only time will tell, but we can't be getting our hopes up too high for a team that has routinely let us down over the last 5 seasons.
Fellow Bears guy here, great comment, you hit the nail on the head. I think da Bears ceiling this year is 9 or 10 wins and maybe sneaking into the playoffs as a 7 seed behind both Detroit and GB, and that really depends more on how the rest of the NFC shakes out than how good the Bears are. I think IF Caleb is as good as he has the potential to be and has good chemistry with DJ and Rome, and IF they continue to hit on early round picks the next couple offseasons with a high priority on OL/DL depth, and IF Shane Waldron is a competent OC and they don't fire him after one season, the Bears will be superbowl contenders in 2-3 years. But those are a lot of IFs, and we've been let down many times before. As for this year, if they could just beat the Packers for once I will be happy.
Chicago could build an All-Madden tier team, and still 💩 the bed. Y'all are fekkin cursed, or something. I think there's something in the green dye you dump in the river. Or was that Dave Matthew's tour bus?
The defense is a little overrated.
@Ibhena1264 They will have the best Defense in the NFC North
A little sad I missed the chaos this morning. The predictions though... No bias there, Tom. 😅💛💚
Need to run back the north saga this season. The lions suit fits and they will be wearing it all year long
Great stream tom
Terrible take on Bears LB's. One of best units in league. Edwards is fantastic, Edmunds started slow, but finished strong. And Sanborn is actually pretty good too.
@@drbenway4 yeah no offense to Tom, I just don't think he knows much about the Bears so it's hard to speak knowledgeably. He can talk about the Packers 4th receiver being an amazing route runner which is great but that doesn't mean a lot. If you're not sure if this position group is good at all just because you don't know it very well, that doesn't mean it's not good. The D line is a weaker group. Honestly for this kind of thing, you need to grab as a guest someone from one of the Bears podcasting channels. Same thing for the Vikes and Lions. Tough thing to ask though, and a lot of extra work. But did we expect anything less than the Packers getting an amazing grade?
@@chrisjarrett4208I watch all Bears and Packers games. Bears LB unit is not bad but definitely nothing special. The Bears are also one year removed from a last place finish so of course they are going to have holes and depth issues. Packers have now gone 6 straight years with 10+ draft picks unlike the Bears who usually end up short handed, so yes….this Packers team is loaded.
@@ninjalbatross lol they were 9-8 last year man. And 8-9 the year before. And still a full tier below the Lions and Niners. And San Fran has owned the Packers for a decade. Hardly loaded.
@@chrisjarrett4208 Yes .500 in one of Rodgers worst years, and then .500 with a first year QB and the youngest team in the NFL. That’s actually good. Context matters. The Niners haven’t won a Super Biwl since 1995, Packers have two since then. Seems to me like the Packers are the Niners curse. And I can tell your mad, which I would be too if my team was 0-10 against Green Bay 😂
lol bears poverty franchise 💀
Detroit is the best team in the division and got better, whereas everyone else is trying to gain ground. The Lions have the best RB tandem in the division, if not the league outright, they addressed their one major flaw in the secondary, in addition to finding improvements across the board. They are going to be a force of nature this season
Baker has one hell of an arm and would surprise a lot of people in a farthest throw contest.
When playing for the Browns he launched a ball from his 40yrd line and it fell out the back of the end zone, that thing just shot out like a rocket
Tom is full of beans tonight
Vikings lowkey live in Toms head rent free.
Im a vikings fan but this year, Its H-Town Time! Im a diggs fan/Hunter and I love Stroud
Jordan Love NFL MVP in 2024 leading GB to superbowl victory.
13 win season. Top 10 defense & top 5 secondary.
3 receivers or more 1000+.
Cooper wins rookie of the year.
Go Pack Go!
Never click a link in an email that arent already expecting.
As a Bears fan, I think Packers, Lions and Bears all make the playoffs with the Vikings just coming up short.
Alex Magoo is training as a wide receiver!
Thank you for the spaghetti recipe recommendation in 2002
NFC North talk starts at 22:20
Thank you!!
People like Perna are why we have to go through phishing training like 6 times a year at my company.
@Tom you think you upgraded on coaching staff. The Lions really upgraded on coaching staff we picked up Terrell Williams yea that Terrell Williams a long time DL coach and Deshea Townsend DB coach these are some of the best coaches out there and they are very very very respected on the league. We got them from the Titans. The Titan’s prior to the 2023 season had some of the best D fence out there and it’s about to be a blood bath in NFC North we are still the King of the North. Perna you are the best
Blue kitty shall meow for real this time
Has Quay Walker gotten over his habit of attacking sideline staff and getting ejected from games?
That happened once two years ago
There has been a ton of camp hype around Campbell, Arnold, Betts, Vaki, Wingo and Martin. Lions schedule is not bad to start out but it gets tough from Thanksgiving onward. The Bears are the new Same Old Lions. They have a decent GM and some good players, but their coaches seem to always fail to get players to develop, let alone scheme to their strengths, especially on offense. Until proven otherwise they are the SOB... There are some really good clips out there of Sewell putting Sweat on ice skates, Brian Balldinger showed one recently in a breakdown. The Bears think they got better with Sweat, but they really didn't, especially not at what he cost them to get. I can see the Bears splitting with the division, but I don't see them sweeping anyone, and they are likely to be swept by whoever wins the division (GB or DET). They will definitely lose some games they should have won as they continue to grow. Too much youth at too many key positions that is unproven. The only way they live up to the hype is if Caleb Williams comes in and dominates.
What are you talking about with Sweat? He cost a second round pick. That's it. And the defense completely turned around after he got there. His presence freed up other pass rushers, forced the QBs to rush passes and allowed the secondary to create turnovers. Is Sweat a completely dominant rusher? No. But he doesn't have to be. The O line is solid, the running backs are solid, the receivers are great... Caleb doesn't have to be a Messiah at quarterback for the Bears to be competitive. He just has to be good and consistent and not feel he has to take the game over.
@@chrisjarrett4208 Okay I can give you that the Bears got better with Sweat, however I think the move overall is a loss for them. I will elaborate. The combination of a 2nd round pick and the expensive contract IMO was not worth what he did and will do for the Bears. Was the team better last year, yes, will it be better this year, yes. But next year and going forward, no. Sweat is not dominant enough IMO to justify the move. He was traded for at the end of October, the Bears were 2-6, and sure he was the best of what they had, but he was not enough to get the Bears into the playoffs, in fact, they were never even a serious threat to do so because of that 2-6 start. He is 27, so next season when he is 29, and the player they gave the pick up for would be making a larger impact on the field, he will start to enter the realm of where he declines. At best one could argue that he was a locker room / culture move, and it did work out last year. However, going forward he is not good enough to sustain that. On the field, on the tape, he will not be dominant enough to inspire others or set the tone needed to be a true long term locker room piece. Perhaps the Bears locker room and culture was in such bad shape that they can justify the overpay for him. But I just don't see it. The Bears still have one of the worst D-Lines in the NFL and they could have put that contract money to better use by doing things like resigning good players with good character like David Montgomery and Equanimeous St. Brown. And before you point to stats telling me St. Brown was not good let me tell you that Just like Montgomery plays at another level with the Lions, Fields will do so with the Steelers and St. Brown will with his new team too. The gross mismanagement and utilization of offensive players was criminal for the Bears. Hopefully the new offensive coaching staff can do better. But St. Brown was one of the only tone setters the Bears had in terms of a football player, a guy that is going to do the right things for the entire game. Things like blocking down field for your teammates, etc., that is a culture guy. Sweat was just desperation and an overpay in my book. It is not going to make much of a difference ither way in the long run to the outcome of the team with Caleb and the core around him. By the time they hit their prime, and the Bears enter a true contender window, if that happens, Sweat who is just a contributor, will be well onto the decline if he is even still on the team. However, he is likely to have some dead cap the team carries that could have been better utilized elsewhere. It was a shortsighted move on a team that knew they were likely to draft a QB and enter another rebuild / reload phase. Poles has been good, but not great. The fact that Eberflus is still there, hanging his hat on good LB and secondary play when the DL has been horrible and the offensive coaching has been just that, offensive... For the good moves I like that Poles makes, mostly in the draft, there are other moves like the trades and free agent signings along with coaching retention that far outweigh that. In the long run, if he keeps drafting well the Bears will be there, but when his strength is in the draft and he keeps making short term moves like Sweat, Claypool and overpaying at the LB position, he is playing to his weaknesses there. To be fair, in general most trades and free agent signings do not work out well. So I also am not calling Sweat a loss. It is just that the timing of it is off. Another young, talented player in that core for the Bears, coming up with Caleb, would have been the better move, especially when you consider some of the good veteran leadership the Bears could have kept that they let walk out the door that would have made more of an impact in culture and locker room than Sweat all I see is a lose / lose / lose for the Bears with this move. Edit: Consider that you gave up on Cooper DeJean (Including the nest two DE's Kneeland and Braswell along with several DT's too, including Smith, Jenkins, and Hall) and everyone drafted after him to get Sweat, and could have kept Montgomery and St. Brown and others.
@@stevenbaffy7937 Sweats deal is just a four year deal, with about $42 mil guaranteed, which is less than half the total value. It's a good deal really, considering the cost of pass rushers these days. There's also virtually no one criticizing this deal other than you (no offense). You talk about losing veteran leadership with St Brown and Monty... hello? Sweat is that guy. And he's 28 this season not 29, people get older each year by one year, not two (27 this season, 29 next season??). You can't talk about trading for a vet being a bad move, especially when they perform well, and then talk about it also being bad letting good character guys to. And what do you
mean overpaying linebackers? For the cost of one Roquan Smith, they wind up with Edwards and Edmunds. Edmunds was so so sure, but TJ was fantastic. And I hated losing St Brown, he was a great leader and a great blocker.
The SOB bears were 1-1 against the lions last year and realistically should have been 2-0 if not for a historic collapse. Lions “fans” have one good year in 3 decades and think they can put other teams down lol
@@chrisjarrett4208You actually made my point about the SOB. Yes they absolutely should have been 2-0 against the Lions, and we're it not for that 2-6 start, where they tried to force Justin Fields to be a drop back passer, instead of building an offense to his strengths like the Ravens did with Lamar, they would have made the playoffs, not the Packers. But Enerflus and the coaches get in the way of winning. To some degree all coaches will, Dan Campbell had a couple losses on him too. But overall, his decisions win the for the Lions much more than they cost them. But the Bears coaches are opposite of that. The Bears actually have a good roster, I like a lot of your players and would have liked them to be Lions, but not Sweat. Sure he would have fit here just fine, but any 2nd round pick made would have the potential to be a much greater impact, and would have been cheaper. Your looking at the tree, not the forrest.
The Lions are about to run wild. The North isn't bad. It's, in fact, good. However, this Lions team is great. Let "great" mean whatever you think I mean.
Happy Independence Day!
tom the bears was a seven win team no way they stay at 7 i think its 9 wins tops
9 wins sounds about right. It's tough to add what they added and get no better whatsoever unless injuries occur. But who knows.
Last year has no effect on this year especially with a major change at QB that is going to struggle as a rookie. There’s an equal chance they have 4 wins
@@ninjalbatross I would disagree pretty strongly that this is a four win team. I think you'd struggle mightily to find anyone to say that too.
@@chrisjarrett4208 let me rephrase. I have Bears projected at 8 wins. I would be surprised if they went over 10 but not surprised at all if they were below 6. Caleb is a complete mystery but based on the past, rookie QBs struggle or turn out to be busts. They also lack alot of depth so a couple of bad injuries and it could go south quick.
@@ninjalbatross they don't really lack a lot of depth, the O line has some solid depth, as does the secondary, linebackers and the running backs. I'd love to add a veteran QB behind Caleb. We need another pass rusher, and maybe some extra depth on the D line. But I think Caleb, thanks to the strong skill position players he's been given, should be pretty strong. I think not quite at Love or Goff's level but better than whoever the Vikings put up there. Will he struggle sometimes? Sure. So will Love or Goff. It's a solid team, I say 9 wins and I'd be shocked if they only won 4 games. Barring injuries. If they lose Caleb, Swift, Moore, Allen and who knows, even a few defenders for multiple games, that could change things. But if the team stays relatively healthy with a normal level of injuries, they should do well.
“i’m not sure about the Bears linebackers”
Tell me you’ve never been through corporate IT training without telling me.
Both North DIVs are warzones this year. I'll take BAL and DET
My predictions
1. Lions 12-5
2. Packers 11-6
3. Bears 9-8
4. Vikings 8-9
Agreed 💯
I think people overrate the bears too much because of how good they did in the draft. That’s a really good prediction
The criticism of Caleb Williams and his performance against top defenses is a bit unfair, considering his team around him was sub par at best, line and receivers especially. Footballs a team game, a QB can't do it all himself. And that team still finished 7-5, mostly because of him
the bears will have a cupcake schedule they will make the playoffs. the lions won't make the playoffs. dan campbell team goes for to many 2 pt conversions. they leave to many points on the board . the only time you should go for 2 alot is video games. he will be fired in 2 years or almost 2 years. everyone likes going for 2 if he was 97 percent at going for 2. but he is 53 percent. less in the playoffs. who keep going for 2 4 plays in a row. he should've took overtime against the cowboys. I know the lions got hosed.
Lions aren't winning the division
Go Pack Go
As a Bears fan, I have no faith the Bears win more than 5 games. Plus I can see them easily go 0W-6L against the NFC North division.
You don't know ball. Bears improved their roster in probably more than any other team over the offseason and you think they will get worse?
@Dennis_The_Peasant let the poor guy be pessimistic, he's been burnt plenty before
How on Earth do you think htat? We went 7-10 last year and would have been 10-7 had it not been for blowing leads in which we had over 90% chance of winning. Improved roster + 3rd easiest schedule. I'm expecting 10-7 and giving 1 game of variance
Ur not a bears fan
I bet the hacker was a chiefs fan
The Packers, Vikes, and Bears will be fighting for the bottom.
Lions win the North by 2 games.
Bold prediction :
Lions 12-5
Vikings 10-7
Packers 9-8
Bears 7-12
Sounds refreshing
A 7-12 record is indeed very bold.
Way too strong on the Vikings
Mahomes can throw it longer than all the other QB's you listed. Mahomes has thrown it from 1 end zone to the opposite end zone in warm ups to games. He has thrown the ball out of arrowhead stadium.
This
Unlce Rico energy
Lions 14-3
Packers 11-7
Bears 9-8
Vikings 7-11
Vikes and Packers playing 18 games is a hot take for sure
@@sambirch5153 10-7/7-10*
So long as Justin Jefferson is on the field the Vikings have a chance at winning no matter who the QB is. 9 wins minimum
Always check the email address. The phishers always use phony email addresses.
Haters Gonna Hate and Homers Gonna Homer. Lions win the division 14-3
Lions 13-4 (split games with Packers and Bears, 2-0 vs Vikings, first round bye and home field due to 49er's losing Purdy for 3 games)
Packers 10-7 (Packers miss the playoffs despite Love having better numbers than Favre or Rodgers comparatively as second season starter)
Bears 8-9 (Caleb Williams mentally implodes after 4 game losing streak and the team benches him while mandating mental health counseling - behind the scenes)
Vikings 3-14 (Lions 2-0 vs Vikings, McCarthy misses 50% of season due to multiple small nagging injuries)
Seriously, I get some people hate the Vikings, but 3 games?
Dude...
Boomer Perna fell for a phishing scam. NO WAY 😂😂 I"M SO SHOCKED 🤣🤣. My Grandma fell for one last year too..she's 86!
Packers 13-4
Lions 10-7
Vikings 9-8
Bears 7-10
Why so low on the Lions? They've only gotten better during the off-season and draft.
@@Vossenator just being biased y'all are going to be scary this year.
@@J.J.Gosnell Fair. I admire the honesty. I'll be honest the NFC north is going to be a very competitive division this year. I can't say any team is looking bad at all.
Lions 13-4
Packers 11-6
Vikings 9-8
Bears 7-10
Yes sir!
Replacement: packers for Vikings..
Literally no way Vikings aren't last in the division
Lions take the division. They're SB favourites, alongside the other elite.
Packers get a WC. They're very good, and should be better this year, but are still a step below the Lions.
Bears just miss out on a WC. Caleb is good, but he's a rookie: few have CJ like seasons. He will struggle, and learn, and grow, and the Bears are set up to do very well in years to come.
Vikings look like a mess. Their new QB is less talented than Caleb, and will take time to grow into his position. As long as he shows forward progress, this year will go down as a success even if they do not win many games.
In Goff we trust Tommy boy!!!!!
ryan tannehill > sam darnold
Hang with me... eau de grilledbrat
Hahahahaha
16 W's for the Packers button
Kittens, fudge Packers and cubs with the Vikings vying for the overall 1st pick! This is coming from a life long Viking fan! Darnold sucks and McCarthy is only a success with Harbaugh and will fail in the NFL. He is the new Ryan Leaf!
I reslly hope this season is a total dumpster fire. Like jared Goff gets hurt and for some reason jj Mccarthy becomes a god and the bears go 0-17
Waste of time
Packers 11 6
Lions 10 7
Bears 8 9
Vikes 6 11
Only pack make playoffs
Lions got this
Vikings this year, sorry.
Only if the Lions experience injuries to key players on O & D. Holmes has done a very good job on building team depth, however.
Don't sleep on the Vikes. Last time Darnold started he went 4-2 including a 30+ smashing of the Lions late in 2022 when they were on a tear. And new Packer's RB ran for 56 yards last time out against the Vikes for the Raiders in Vegas.
Remember the Vikes are only an immobile QB with an Achilles injury removed from a 13-4 demolition of the division.
GB: 12-5
DET: 11-6
CHI: 9-8
MIN: 3-14
Daydreaming 😶🌫️ You’re either with the Lions or on the menu
Keep hating the Vikings, well will your tears go with our mead.
Packers 12-5
Lions 11-6
Bears 10-7
Vikes 8-9
I don't see the Lions taking a step forward this year. By all the usual indicators, the Packers should see a huge jump in ability from all of their year-2 guys,. I think that makes the difference.
The Lions got this and we thank you for everything
This channel clearly knows nothing about the Bears. Y’all sound like haters
Jordan Love is WAY too over-hyped. About to be the biggest bust.
How many game ending turnovers did he have last year? 🤔
Definition of a QB you can win with but never BECAUSE
Overhyped? Everyone spent the last 4 years saying he shouldn't have been drafted and was a mistake.
If you want overhype, go look at every Bears first round pick yall thought would turn everything around.
Your last Super Bowl was 40 years ago.
Guys guys, both your teams are terrible.
He's hyped this offseason because he ended last season with a stretch of 24TD-3INT in the last 10 games of the season, against some very good teams, as a year-1 starter, surrounded by younger players.
Sorry dude, Packers did it again. 🤷♂
@@JessLuBera lol
Packers fans acting like a two game stretch means everything. Take the whole season and tell me who led the league in most turnovers on potential game winning drives?
Bottom of the league on ADJ% and Poor Passes...
He's an absolute ass QB
@@Beardownsports to be fair they were like the only team to beat the shit out of Dallas at home
Good Lord these losers can never stay on topic.
Why are you so mad 😂 just watch someone else if you don’t like people talking and interacting with their fan base
@@Y1kes_18 don't tell me what to do. Mind your business
My predictions
1. Lions 13-4
2. Packers 11-6
3. Bears 8-9
4. Vikings 7-10
Bro, the vikings aren't going to be the worst team in the North 😭🙏🏿