New Urban Highway, City Tunnel and Big Interchange - Cities: Skylines - Altengrad 85

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  • čas přidán 21. 02. 2024
  • Completing the urban highway, starting another one into a city tunnel and connecting both with a big interchange. Filling gaps with modernist towers.
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    Altengrad is a time-progression Cities: Skylines series where I build a Central European city, located until 1989 in the Eastern Bloc, taking inspiration from Germany, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary. The series starts around the year 1920 and slowly advances forward in time, which means the city will naturally evolve all the way to modern times. The city is not a recreation of any one real-life city or country, but it takes inspiration from them.
    PC specs are in the channel's About page. No, the game doesn't run like this in real time. Cinematics are recorded slow and made faster in editing.
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    Pictures used:
    (1) Vysehrad tunnel in 2011 by Chmee2 / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-3.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (2) Seč, přehrada, hráz (2017-07-03; 03) by Harold / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-3.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (3) Sečská přehrada - tunel, CZ140322-019 by Josef Kreuz (PEPan) / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-4.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (4) Kokořínský tunel, 2019 (01) by Draceane / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-4.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (5) LillafuredUpperTunnel02 by Szalax / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-3.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (6) Follow the tunnel by Norbert Eder / Flickr / CC-BY-SA 2.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (7) Bratislava T3 7841-7842 by Markus Giger / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-2.5 CH, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (8) Czech Republik, Prague FOTO:FORTEPAN, ID 40534
    (9) Letenský tunel by Mister No / Panoramio / CC-BY-3.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (10) Praha Letna kominy letenskeho tunelu by JiriMatejicek / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-3.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (11) Nad štolou, vjezd do Letenského tunelu by ŠJů / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-3.0, creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (12) RappbodeLufts by Hahnenkleer
    (13) Wendefurth Rapbodetalsperre Harz, DDR. Apr 29 1990 by Felix O / Flickr / CC-BY-SA-2.0 creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (14) Stratená1 by Szeder László / Wikimedia Commons / CC-BY-SA-3.0 creativecommons.org/licenses/...
    (15) csgyk.hu / fototar
    (16) Alagút Tunnel (Pécs) by Vinsz
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Komentáře • 169

  • @SokaRome
    @SokaRome Před 4 měsíci +309

    Altengrad is backkkkk!!!!!!!

  • @persona5strikers
    @persona5strikers Před 4 měsíci +96

    The best cities skylines series is back

  • @muskywareoficial
    @muskywareoficial Před 4 měsíci +145

    F for the ancient bridge's ruins. Also, it'd be a fun idea for the the lore of the megalomaniac castle tunnel's delay (even if not that historically accurate) if it was partially caused by archeologists, historians and even former inhabitants of the slums pressuring the authorities after the ruins' removal incident (besides the lack of funds ofc)

    • @Qfeys
      @Qfeys Před 4 měsíci +6

      I'm imagining that there was a plan for where the other end of the tunnel would surface, but because of protests, it got blocked. The political leaders then gave the orders to already start building the one side of the tunnel where they are agreeing, forcing the engineers to build a tunnel without knowing where they would build too. This too caused the entire project to land in some sort of hell limbo.

    • @trOlloloL48
      @trOlloloL48 Před 4 měsíci +4

      I can't imagine that communist authorities would listen to common people

    • @BlueKingNL
      @BlueKingNL Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@trOlloloL48I mean the point of communism is listening to the common person

    • @dragonbornexpress5650
      @dragonbornexpress5650 Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@BlueKingNL. That's IDEALLY meant to be so; Funny thing that, though.

    • @BlueKingNL
      @BlueKingNL Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@dragonbornexpress5650 yes that's the point of an ideology. it's in the name

  • @keksentdecker
    @keksentdecker Před 4 měsíci +111

    the city from the viral image was Dusseldorf in west germany and the six-lane urban freeway was partially replaced with a Tunnel allowing construction of and a promenade as well as office buildings top.
    currently the extention of the tunnel and further replacement of the urban freeway is being proposed

    • @shrgn
      @shrgn Před 4 měsíci

      they arent following those plans for the near future, also it wasnt an urban freeway but a main road

    • @susangoaway
      @susangoaway Před 4 měsíci

      And the worst thing about is, that idiots unironically think that that road has been closed down.
      Not to mention that it wasn't an urban freeway either, just a main road, common in big cities.
      I absolutely hate the green retards who attempt to sabotage big cities in becoming shitholes where it's extremely difficult to move around.

    • @tajothy2692
      @tajothy2692 Před 4 měsíci

      if im heading from dusseldorf airport back to cologne i have to drive like 15 minutes right throught the city. its horrible. sometimes i take the highway around even tho the trip is longer just because i feel so ineffecient going right into rush hour throught the city when i dont even want to go to the city :D

  • @JOKERATM
    @JOKERATM Před 4 měsíci +23

    The city needs a stadium/sports complex, they were very common in the Eastern Bloc. Something like the Spodek Arena in Poland, or the Sportforum Hohenschönhausen in the DDR.
    There's a few assets in the workshop like the Jahn Sportpark that could fit in very well in this city.

    • @flare2000x
      @flare2000x Před 4 měsíci +4

      The tunnel in prague he was showing in this video goes right underneath the giant stadium in Prague. There's a huge stadium with several soccer fields inside and them a regular stadium right beside it.

  • @serebii666
    @serebii666 Před 4 měsíci +19

    There is just something so viscerally horrifying seeing Sv. Ludmila and a grade separated multi-lane highway right behind it. Planners from the 1960s are probably beaming though!

  • @ziegenlord5395
    @ziegenlord5395 Před 4 měsíci +21

    I believe the german City you are thinking about is Düsseldorf. The viral picture actually shows the replacement road that was constructed to divert traffic while the road tunnel was built using the cut and cover method underneath the old main road during the 90s

    • @LucasFernandez-fk8se
      @LucasFernandez-fk8se Před 4 měsíci

      Isn’t that where Dr doofenshmirtz was from

    • @OettesCities
      @OettesCities Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@LucasFernandez-fk8se no, Heinz is from Gimmelshtump. 😅😅

  • @flameoguy3804
    @flameoguy3804 Před 4 měsíci +5

    One of the most modern scenes in Altengrad. The ancient church next to the 1980s towers and highway interchange feels like a real city.

  • @KPSWZGII
    @KPSWZGII Před 4 měsíci +17

    The towers You used "Manhattan" from Wrocław are placed next to a similar road. Also, they were part of the already mentioned in this series City in the Sky (or how Do You Call it) where pedestrians are separated from the road. A few years ago they were renovated and now they are shiny white color. But still i like the fact that in real live they are next to a bridge and main road and in Altengrad its almost the same. It feels like home

  • @craftyyounglady
    @craftyyounglady Před 4 měsíci +34

    I love your history lessons almost as much as this city!

  • @martinnilsen3362
    @martinnilsen3362 Před 4 měsíci +26

    Yess altengrad!!

  • @vay6901
    @vay6901 Před 4 měsíci +15

    12:43 good luck trying to figure out which ones are there to cross the road lol

  • @isiahmaliklevantezimmerman6570
    @isiahmaliklevantezimmerman6570 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Ah, the famous "Sedesowce" buildings from Wrocław. It's good to see them here.
    Great video!

  • @sergeygladkikh8520
    @sergeygladkikh8520 Před 4 měsíci +16

    What could be better than a new Akruas video? Only one thing: a new Akruas Altengrad video!

  • @user-iw1zz2en4k
    @user-iw1zz2en4k Před 4 měsíci +28

    Though I don't know if it's the road you mean, the B51 in Cologne was "put underground" into the Rheinufertunnel which was opened in 1984. There is now a very nice urban/green area above it and there are even plans to expand the tunnel (Making it longer not adding more lanes, thank God), although those haven't gotten far yet.

    • @etiennefabis2466
      @etiennefabis2466 Před 4 měsíci +8

      I know that one too, but I think he meant the one in Düsseldorf, where there are now the Rheinterrassen and a tunnel below them. At least we even got that picture in our School Books as an example of urban infrastructure change.

    • @thedisintegrador
      @thedisintegrador Před 4 měsíci

      The viral image is from Düsseldorf :)

  • @rico4.700
    @rico4.700 Před 4 měsíci +11

    god the destruction is terrible
    keep it up, lane man would be proud

  • @amtorraziert
    @amtorraziert Před 4 měsíci +13

    30:04 the city name ur looking for is Düsseldorf

  •  Před 4 měsíci +8

    So happy to see Altengrad develop again, this is easily the best Europe themed CS series on youtupe!

  • @modisgabor
    @modisgabor Před 4 měsíci +7

    Altengrad is just beautiful, insanely realistic. Hands down! Every day with a new Altengrad vid is a good day! 🤩

  • @xoussoun
    @xoussoun Před 4 měsíci +9

    Great video. For the city tunnel I suggest you get rid of the old terminus train station and the tracks leading to it, as it may have fallen out of use when the through-station opened. You will have all the place you need for the highway to go through the city center. Crossing the river doesn't seem realistic to me...

    • @petjuh1985
      @petjuh1985 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I agree with the crossing of the river but giving up the old terminal station would also be sad :-( better transform it to a new city district when a highspeed rail line will bypass the city and only stop at the east station :-)

    • @Akruas
      @Akruas  Před 4 měsíci +1

      No, and that's exactly the direction I said doesn't work anymore with the surface highway nearby. How is underwater tunnel not realistic?

    • @petjuh1985
      @petjuh1985 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Akruas I think an underwater tunnel is realistic, but I don’t know if a combination of a river and mountain tunnel exist. I used your map to build a city myself and would end the tunnel between the terminus station and the junction at the monastery island bridge (new tower side) because the terrain goes downhill there.

  • @aonn1995
    @aonn1995 Před 4 měsíci +9

    It's Altengraaaaad hurra!!!!

  • @64ElMariachi
    @64ElMariachi Před 4 měsíci +16

    the king is back!

  • @maxgross9728
    @maxgross9728 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Absolutely stunning! Well done on the build and as always, thank you for the historical background. It is super interesting to hear about the philosophy/history of these structures or rather, of any of your builds. Excited for the next episode!

  • @ESCFan1994
    @ESCFan1994 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Can´t wait to see how the city changes in the 90s and 2000s. I guess there will be some gentrification, maybe some kind of modern skyscrapers and a few new residential areas for the new middle class.

  • @juliuserikbunda3946
    @juliuserikbunda3946 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Staromestská ulica-Hodzovo namestie go brrrr (hate that place irl but it looks super realistic here in altengrad)
    Also this whole area even directly on the junction could be densified and urbanized (even in the 90s-00s like hodzovo namestie) so nicely omg am potential

  • @Titi022002
    @Titi022002 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The interchange is looking spectacular! Thank you also for all the historical context you bring up!

  • @greendude96
    @greendude96 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I have a suggestion for the tunnel. It could end up somewhere near the terminus train station and the bus station built in the 50s, (as by the 90s trucks have made the cargo terminal bit redundant, opening up space.) Where it could connect to the Monastery island bridge road and maybe even the road that goes over the weir to the newer plattenbau district across the river. + It would give "great" access for the IC busses to get to the highway system. Lore wise it could be part of a larger urban highway which was planned to go along the river/railway to the large industrial area and the old new built district further away. also giving people a faster way into and away from the center, and people across the river wouldn't have to drive all the way around on the highways or through the busy small streets in the center. And it was probably stopped before completion in a really awkward intersection by changes in the future of democratic and environmental reasoning. Which would give an opportunity to do some highway removal/turning to a nice avenue type project in the next century OR be completed as a modern urban highway also in the next century (like they're doing in Poland these days) :)

    • @Akruas
      @Akruas  Před 4 měsíci +2

      Yes that was the original idea, but like I said, the surface highway kinda does that direction-wise, tunnel would mostly just double that. The idea now is to take it all the way past the monastery island to the expo center, maaaybe with a side entrance at the zieleniak

  • @Luca_Fuchs
    @Luca_Fuchs Před 4 měsíci +2

    I woud cover the part between the crasy intersection and the first bridge from the center with a park. of course sometimes in the 2000s.

  • @meg_Lepi
    @meg_Lepi Před 4 měsíci +4

    19:49 imagine driving through that intersection..phew

  • @HighExplosiveSerenade
    @HighExplosiveSerenade Před 4 měsíci +1

    OH YEAH! Altengrad!!!! I love this series!
    What a crazy asphalt maze! I dunno if I'd like to drive into those highways and intersections... or live next to them.....

  • @snipe4k418
    @snipe4k418 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I was waiting for suuuch a long time for a proper highway build in Altengrad. Do you plan on making some sort of a Highway Ring around the city in the future????

  • @Donzemiaky
    @Donzemiaky Před 4 měsíci +1

    This is starting to look like Glasgow’s M8 motorway. What a magnificent hellscape

  • @danonck
    @danonck Před 4 měsíci +1

    The most perfect and complete CS series is back! Hopefully it continues for eternity!

  • @Tentof
    @Tentof Před 4 měsíci

    Great use and handling of terrain elevation difference, well done ! This can be an absolute nightmare to deal with but it seems you did great and the result is amazing

  • @stef1482
    @stef1482 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I MISSED THIS SERIES

  • @MineRickStar
    @MineRickStar Před 4 měsíci +3

    The city you mention at about Minuten 30:00 is probably Düsseldorf.

    • @serebii666
      @serebii666 Před 4 měsíci

      yep, comparing 1990 condition to 2019 condition

  • @beni_benyei
    @beni_benyei Před 4 měsíci

    Appreciate your attention to detail so much!!

  • @drewjeschke
    @drewjeschke Před 4 měsíci +1

    Glad to see this series back again!

  • @thedisintegrador
    @thedisintegrador Před 4 měsíci +2

    The viral image of the German urban Highway is from Düsseldorf :)

  • @szaltisb2107
    @szaltisb2107 Před 4 měsíci

    4:07 I didn't expected that you mention my city, it's so random lol

  • @ernestorubio3437
    @ernestorubio3437 Před 4 měsíci

    Great video!!! Really interesenting and entertaining. Congrats

  • @danielaltmann8493
    @danielaltmann8493 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's Düsseldorf where they 'sunk' the riverside highway underground...

  • @norbertlepsik
    @norbertlepsik Před 4 měsíci +2

    The city that you've mentioned at the end is probably gonna be Düsseldorf

  • @elitefifagamer7581
    @elitefifagamer7581 Před 4 měsíci

    I would love to see the city grow and connect in various places to the outskirts

  • @fsiradio
    @fsiradio Před 4 měsíci +1

    Yes, I've been looking forward to this episode!❤

  • @harald9693
    @harald9693 Před 4 měsíci

    as far as I know, Paris did the same with some highway near Seine River, they also closed it and turned it into something else.
    just my 2 cents. Great build you have here!

  • @christophzeiner697
    @christophzeiner697 Před 4 měsíci

    I sometimes try to recreate cities from real city maps or satellite imagery but it’s always good to see someone do it better for my own inspiration.

  • @user-sz3je7ib7k
    @user-sz3je7ib7k Před 3 měsíci

    16:18 the ventilation towers look very efficient

  • @CakeboyRiP
    @CakeboyRiP Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thank you for coming back to Altengrad

  • @echsecutioner
    @echsecutioner Před 4 měsíci +1

    love this series!

  • @slobodapeter
    @slobodapeter Před 4 měsíci

    Finaly. Most anticipated video on CZcams this year so far! :-)

  • @hodgepodge51
    @hodgepodge51 Před 4 měsíci

    I love this series so much

  • @AdamFaruqi
    @AdamFaruqi Před 3 měsíci

    There's nothing stopping you from walking through the Bratislava tram tunnel. I was there last summer and walked through it. I wouldn't recommend it though. It was muddy and slippery.

  • @romanrat5613
    @romanrat5613 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Given I was expecting this on Friday, this is very exciting

  • @RicoBanani
    @RicoBanani Před 4 měsíci +2

    the best CS series, by far!

  • @dragonlukasmapping805
    @dragonlukasmapping805 Před 4 měsíci +1

    That highway tunnels are awesome.
    If you will made another ones in later years, you could check on Kralovopolský tunnel in Brno which construction started in mid 2000s.
    Its important part of Brno infrastructure, and it was probably start of VMO(Large Urban Circuit) project.

  • @terraincognitaband7273
    @terraincognitaband7273 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I`d really love to see a custom flag, name and a bit of backstory of your fictive Country!

  • @MrAlik408
    @MrAlik408 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I love the towers at 26:06

  • @petjuh1985
    @petjuh1985 Před 4 měsíci

    Finally! ❤ love the road spaghetti you created here! I just wonder if the owner of the building plot opposite the church has some issues because it’s have been a building plot for ages already. 😊

  • @indigo_carmine
    @indigo_carmine Před 4 měsíci +10

    just one more lane bro...

  • @kristss8534
    @kristss8534 Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's christmas again with an episode of Altengrad!

  • @Usuario-wr2kw
    @Usuario-wr2kw Před 4 měsíci +2

    You should try not use circles in highways like the ones from create loop and create Connection tool the arrange at line and create curve make better looking and more realistic curves, i usually use the create curve and if its complicated i use the create Connection and the use arrange at line on the circular parts

    • @Usuario-wr2kw
      @Usuario-wr2kw Před 4 měsíci

      And for making merges and exits i use the parallel road tool with the smaller road and create curve to it then merge the nodes and use the same offset in node controller as I used for the parallel road

  • @aliegegursoy3843
    @aliegegursoy3843 Před 4 měsíci

    It is my first time visiting your channel, this Altengrad reminded me of Bratislava

  • @redRebelChronicles
    @redRebelChronicles Před 4 měsíci

    Amazing episode ❤

  • @user-km3oi9ib9h
    @user-km3oi9ib9h Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thank the God! Akruas returned to Altengrad, It is the best serries on the channel.

  • @shrgn
    @shrgn Před 4 měsíci

    european urban highways are usually cool because they adapt to and change with their surroundings

  • @alanrothschild8996
    @alanrothschild8996 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The best Cities Skylines is officially comeback from the break(I'm kotalyan from twitch)

  • @peterpop2403
    @peterpop2403 Před 4 měsíci

    love it as always

  • @GregoriusKek
    @GregoriusKek Před 4 měsíci +1

    Düsseldorf is the city with that project you mentioned. 🙂

  • @ChopChop643
    @ChopChop643 Před 4 měsíci +2

    best series
    👍

  • @aleksajojevic3959
    @aleksajojevic3959 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Wow, now that I think about it, I started watching you begin Altengrad series when I was in Highschool and now I am a freshman hahaha. Anyway, this reminds me of a Belgrade intersection called Mostar, you should check it out!

  • @appolinetheclouds9303
    @appolinetheclouds9303 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Awsome video as always ! I'm actualy very surprise that east europe didnt have many tunnels, because tunnels are a very european thing. In switzerland they have more than 1800 tunnels in activity, the same thing in France where i live. And even in Iceland who despite her poor roads number they have a dozen of tunnels in service. I wonder why there is such a difference between west and East Europe. Obviously it's because of the terrain, but there has to have an other explaination. Happy to see Altengrad Back even if i'm sad to see Asturis comming to an end.

  • @Doc_Rainbow
    @Doc_Rainbow Před 4 měsíci

    For the picture you mean Düsseldorf, my hometown :)

  • @hoholu4650
    @hoholu4650 Před 4 měsíci

    you could "use" the nearby railway for carrying away the soil from the tunnel construction site

  • @prostetnikjeltz6801
    @prostetnikjeltz6801 Před 4 měsíci +1

    That was a really good episode! The German city you mean is Düsseldorf.

  • @morris8165
    @morris8165 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Altengrad let's goooo!

  • @felixkeil0706
    @felixkeil0706 Před 4 měsíci +1

    hey i realy love your videos becous i can learn somthing while whatching a video game

  • @babymonkey4601
    @babymonkey4601 Před 4 měsíci

    Love the videos :)

  • @doublea06
    @doublea06 Před 4 měsíci

    I call it a thumbs up!

  • @SBastiii
    @SBastiii Před 4 měsíci +2

    The Tunnel @ 11:40, I drive through every day 😮

  • @orinbeard3693
    @orinbeard3693 Před 3 měsíci

    Top vid 👌

  • @saschab.5154
    @saschab.5154 Před 3 měsíci

    30:00 Düsseldorf, Rheinuferpromenade. :)

  • @terraincognitaband7273
    @terraincognitaband7273 Před 4 měsíci +1

    30:00 the German City you meant is Düsseldorf.

  • @petrsupita
    @petrsupita Před 4 měsíci

    29:50 Rheinufer Tunnel, Düsseldorf. :)

  • @elitefifagamer7581
    @elitefifagamer7581 Před 4 měsíci

    So glad that altengrad is back!! Will we be getting more episodes ?

  • @icedbanana
    @icedbanana Před 4 měsíci +1

    god this is the best

  • @luschmiedt1071
    @luschmiedt1071 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Oh god the intersection around 19:00 is truly disgusting... i love it 😅

  • @aug5925
    @aug5925 Před 4 měsíci

    LET'S GO!!!

  • @mewosh_
    @mewosh_ Před 4 měsíci +1

    I missed Altengrad A LOT

  • @slobodapeter
    @slobodapeter Před 4 měsíci

    Btw... the german city mentioned at the end of video is Düsseldorf :-)

  • @yoyok1y
    @yoyok1y Před 4 měsíci

    Dang i just forgot the 70s series

  • @LikeAGroove
    @LikeAGroove Před 4 měsíci

    this guy infrastructures

  • @lucabutera7570
    @lucabutera7570 Před 4 měsíci +1

    🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @mewosh_
    @mewosh_ Před 4 měsíci +1

    It's absolutely disgusting and I love it

  • @Synan.
    @Synan. Před 4 měsíci

    There is the opposite, like this tunnel : 50°50'47"N 15°34'58"E with cave appearance.

  • @KrokLP
    @KrokLP Před 4 měsíci

    Love the series! BUT THE AGRICULTURAL FIELDS ARE TOO SMALL FOR SOVIET EUROPE

  • @Hurkas
    @Hurkas Před 4 měsíci +1

    Hey there! It was nice to hear that u pronounced Hungarian names well! (except Pécs lol, but the other ones were good)
    As you mentioned, the city is about to get into the 80s. It still doesn't have an airport tho'.. Do u have any plans to add one?

  • @dipplok6223
    @dipplok6223 Před 4 měsíci

    When will there be an airport in Altengrad?

  • @apeliver
    @apeliver Před 4 měsíci

    It seems you use a lot of mods and assets which is essential to build great cities like this. I've been playing CS for a long time, but lately I experienced weird issues: those few mods and assets I downloaded are randomly disappeared from the CS content manager, and from my Steam workshop subscriptions as well. This has happened several times. I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this problem? I know this is not a tech support, but Im really confused. 😕

  • @MrGustavier
    @MrGustavier Před 4 měsíci +2

    Aren't you missing the left turn coming from the port ?

    • @MrGustavier
      @MrGustavier Před 4 měsíci +1

      And how do you go to the port when you come from the bridge ?

    • @Akruas
      @Akruas  Před 4 měsíci +1

      No; up into the intersection and left, plus its almost like the rest of that highway network is not done yet.