Starship Troopers Lore! The Mobile Infantry! Service Guarantees Citizenship!
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Medic!
Your comment loses a lot of its effect if one remembers how the sequence went in the book, rather from the movie.
@Arusiek90 I highly recommend reading the novel. Its a stellar read from a master of the genre
I’m doing my part.
@Arusiek90 the audio book is on YT
Mobile Infantry: _308,563 fatalities in a single defeat_
Death Korps of Krieg: *_"AMATEURS!"_*
That just a paper cut for them
*Desire to know more intensifies...*
Same
Yup
This exactly!
@Dominus Hydra clapping with metallic limbs
@@captainpuffinpuffinson4769 of what limbs he has left
One of the greatest books ever written. And anyone who says that it promotes fascism is a damn liar.
True.
@lonelee well i guess that the best satire is the one that not know is satire?
( Sorry for the bad English not my first language)
Messages of egalitarianism and tolerating all religions in the first three pages. The douchebag parody director who read three pages of it and got offended should have remembered that Heinlein DEFEATED the Nazi's by serving, not whining about the plight of the victims after it was over.
@lonelee his point was the movie was satire and in no way reflects the books quality.
@conan263 What eagles trench coats and militarism? thats like 90% of the world in the 20 to 50s.....
*”Do my part”* Arch that was sneaky
As subtle as a crashing meteor....
@@Warmaka Like a space collision, which you can't help but watch.
Ah, Traitor of Mars. That movie with slightly more evil Emma Watson.
@@CommissarDan You can be more evil than pure evil?! What is this heresy???
ah starship troopers the book that possibly created the concept of futuristic mechanical power armor. the grandfather of halo, metroid, warhammer, battletech, and many many more.
Which is funny, since the MI in the films (the live-action ones) aren't the equivalent of battlesuit-wearing elites, but guardsmen with PDF-level loadouts. Barely protective plastic armor, tactical helmets with radios, autoguns, and atomic rockets for heavy weapon support.
Starcraft too especially. I know Starcraft was said to have originally meant to have been a 40K game but the inspiration from Starship Troopers is also pretty evident, Power Armoured Terran (Terran Federation) The Protoss (Skinnies) and the Seudo Arachnids (Zerg). With that said 40K also takes inspiration from Starship Troopers with Space Marines and Tyranids so even with Starcraft having an inspiration from 40K it in many cases comes back full circle to Starship Troopers. The Dune series also lends heavy inspiration to 40K. Just fantastic universes all round that all bounce off one another.
"We are the soldiers, son. We deliver the violence."
"We are the mudfoot"
@@MediumTim We are the bloody infantry!
Khorne Approves
Don't know if Krieger or catachan
Service Guarantees Citizenship.
The book is on the a lot of military leaders reading lists. The MCPON (Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy) has it on their reading list because Robert Heinlein was an Officer in the US Navy.
He was a Naval Academy grad.
@@meatbyproducts yeah an officer
@@cody180sx sure but being a Navel Academy grad is a whole other level of steeped in Navy life.
It is also recommended reading for the section where Rico is undergoing officer training and how you should act towards enemies who try to seek peace agreements while knowingly holding onto your soldiers as POWs and if you should continue to fight or not. The "leave nobody behind" mentality.
Is on the Marine Corps reading list has been for years.
"The bugs do not possess a whole lot of area of effect weaponry"
But Arch:
The Arachnids ARE the area of effect weapons.
I thought the tank bug is the area of effect weapon since it can spray corrosive material from great distances with little accuracy
Plus, ya know, the big beetle looking fuckers that spat flaming acid that could completely melt a person in seconds.
They have those small larva curled up into a ball
1 ghost with a nuke vs 400 zerglings.
Place Your Bets!
Yeah. Drop them into an area, _its gonna have a big fuckin’ effect._
"Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived."
Political power grows from the barrel of a gun.
Might Makes Right
That sounds like something u would find in warhammer 40k
@@connerjackson9597nope even irl its simple really how do you stop a person from beating someone up if talking them down wont work? Well you pull them away from the one hes beating up therefore risking said aggressor getting hurt. Violence is the final means of getting someone to do what you want.
Fun fact: In the book Rico was from the Phillipines
Wonderful
In the book Dizz was male and there was no romance subplot
@@MrGoesBoom i remember, he died on wally's drop
Juan Rico
*Pinoy Pride intensifies*
Few people realize that the Starship Troopers universe is more about the politics of warfare than the actual warfare action.
You can thank the movie for that
Arch can we have Death Korps of Krieg?
"We have de Death Korps of Krieg at home"
*Death Korps of Krieg at home*
Well it's not that different and still fun
We had almost a year with nothing but death korps lore? 🤣 (your meme fits well though!)
Yea... When going for a quick across the border shopping tour (there are no active checkpoints, you just drive over) from Germany to the Netherlands to buy coffee (its cheaper over there) one definitely feels like Korpsman stranded amongst Cadians.
Through the last months wearing a mask whenever entering a shop, restaurant or official place made it feel awkward to be sorrounded by people who don't do that and don't have rules in place that exclude "uncovered" people from entering stores.
The novel is pretty short but has a surprising amount of lore. The Federation and the MI are much more intricate and complicated than the movie. The Arachnids in the book beat the movie bugs by more than a country mile, they actually have a civilization and build starships and laser weapons. I hope Arch covers the original Starship Troopers!
Would of preferred the book MI too. Much more interesting, closer to 40k.
I was thinking the same thing when he talked about the sky Marshall stepping down from "no outside or inside pressure." He had tremendous internal pressure because of the reason of how the federation formed from a true totalitarian despotic government. The federation overthrew their government from an immense multi tiered basically slaves, classes of people.
You should check the show Roughnecks.
Buggy Boy Still mad that they cancelled that right at the end.
Mike Terran why every military junta doesn’t result in Starship troopers is a testament to human weakness 👊
I love how despite most critics and people in general hating on the movie since it came out it still spawned several comic books, games (both digital and miniatures/RPG tabletop ones), TV series and movie sequels both live action and pretty gorgeous looking CGI ones.
I'm proud being a fan of this franchise since 1997!
😮 Didn't know they got all this stuff.
Might check it out later!
They "hate" it because they think it's a propaganda film for fasicm and have never really watched it
It also had an RPG
@@sqocks8254 check ebay regularly for the tabletop game. I got the two player starter set the warrior bug miniatures are awesome.
I have read the novel and watched/own the movie on DVD. I prefer the novel over the movie in general, I dislike the movie for some of the direction they took some of the characters for the sake of having a romance subplot with Rico and Diz for instance. The fact that they left out the suits which is why they were refered to as MOBILE infantry also sticks in my craw as it were.
All that said, the movie is a great watch for the stars involved and the action. The plot is there and the acting is good as is character development for the most part. I just wish they had called it something else as it set expectations very high and failed to deliver for those of us who are fans of the novel
They are legally required to find you a place to serve.
Even if it is counting the hairs on a fuzzy caterpillar by touch.
No matter how inept you are. You can still test safety equipment on pluto. You don't run the tests, you are the test subject.
I'd be interested in seeing the alternative services! 😉😈
@@richardscathouse this comment is cursed by Slaanesh.
There is one exception to that, and that is if the person in question is mentally unable to understand the oath they are making.
Her: "What are your politics?"
Me: "Starship Troopers, but like, unironically."
Not even joking.
libertarian fascist! The state is freedom, and you either have it or you serve it. If you serve freedom we can all have more of it, but if you don't... we don't trust you to lead, go have a nice life.
the book ones, yep, 100%
Service guarantees citizenship.
@Ellisar Atranimus The whole book follows a military member doing military things. Of course the military features prominently, just as agriculture would feature prominently if it followed a federation grain inspector instead.
When this movie first came out I was still young; as a 7 year old child one of the first actual issues with the movie was that I didn't see a single vehicle on the ground, my second issue was that I noticed the "guns" on the transports; they along with the starships never fired a single... anything. When the stealth bombers did a run I was like "WHAT!? Where are the rest of them!?"
I still love this movie.
I'll take more of this, if you would be so kind.
FRR gang representing
WE CAN HAZ MOAR?!?!?
"would you like to know more?"
Are you saying you would like to know more?
/thread
Fun fact : the Troopers gear (helmet, armor and uniforms) were used a second time, in Power Rangers in Space, to equip the "space base" army. I watched Power Rangers at this time, and Starship Troopers a few years later. I was deeply moved.
It actually was Power Rangers Lost Galaxy, sorry to break it to you
Also used in the second BattleStar Galactica series by MPs.
*Leaves a comment*
"I'M DOING MY PART!"
Would you like to know more?
*BY THE EMPEROR YES!*
You do know, you don't vote for the Emperor? 🤭
Reminder, the director of the film never read the book and was trying to critique fascism. Which he failed to do since starship troopers is a libertarian power fantasy.
Typically, Hollyweird they're not happy until they shit in it! 🤬
I think libertarians might be on the other side. But I digress.
he dutch .. we is different..
@@richardscathouse Movie came out in 1997, way before hollywood was shitting into stuff. Also Paul Verhoeven isn't a American. That's why this movie became a cult classic cause he didn't give a shit about the rules of hollywood and didn't make it your standard hollywood action movie. Yeah it was a critique on how the US army was doing things back then, he exacurated it a bit but again that's why people loved it. He also made Robocop, again, going in against all that hollywood normally does with movies like that. You can see how American directors fucked up all his classics. Total Recall same thing. Basic Instict, again, not your typical hollywood movie as how it was made and the story told.
Please do some proper investigation instead of being another blinded wannabe political fanboy who think's he knows stuff but doesn't really know what he talks about. Then again, i guess you weren't even born when the movie came out and don't know how things were back then.
@@Jorendo Your explanation was excellent sadly let down by the high handed attitude at the end but your young and you will learn
People always crying: No taxation without representation.
And always forget, this should work both ways: No representation without contribution.
If the first is not ensured the second statement is pointless. Contribution is mandatory, representation is not.
@@10011110011 actually, in Britain at one time one could opt out of paying tax and so not have the vote.
We've pretty much seen how unlimited democracy, just doesn't work! 🤭🤭♥
@@yeoldchief7711 Like it! 😈
@@yeoldchief7711 thats fair. More country should adopt it.
Fun fact: The rifles in the movie if you look closely are M14's with a bunch of plastic on them. If you look at the ejection ports, they are elongated so that the selector switch from semi to full auto can be manipulated. Also the 20 round magazines also have some plastic on them to make them looked curved not straight. I'm assuming they didn't bother with iron sights on the carry handle in the movie because there is no point during filming and adds cost. It also seems they attached an M60 muzzle brake to the end of the barrel, I guess to make them look "tactical". Good piece of movie armory work.
I thought they were Ruger Mini-14s. Those rifles are known to work well with blanks on set.
@@dannylamb456 I thought so too until I saw the old school M14 selector switch.
I want more people to understand why fighting an alien species of bugs is important to the story. It demonstrates that two civilizations, no matter how advanced; will inevitably come to blows if they lack the ability to communicate, cooperate, and commingle. It asks the question of how can you proceed when your enemy not only refuses to give up but lacks the ability to give up, or could even effectively demonstrate the desire to surrender.
The bugs attacked first, never showed signs of retreat, and never showed overtures of communication when the humans retreated. Any intelligent being can recognize the basic behaviors that indicate de-escalation.
The bugs are ideological zealots (Communists, for Heinlein), and thus are not intelligent.
I don't really trust Heinleins opinions much after reading stranger in a strange land as inherently he operates purely based on the biased previews of the world he lived In rather then what was objectively going on
"RICO YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO"
Portraying the book on screen would be difficult. Billions of bugs, a few humans launching nukes and burning thousands of them at a time. Plus you’d need a scene of those marines obliterating a rebellious planet of dark skinned poor “humans”... that wouldn’t look good.
But imagining the marines from the books fighting the bugs is great. Imagine how messed up it would be. 15 guys killing millions of bugs. Only sustaining casualties due to mechanical failures of the suit.
They weren't even like the film's version of 'bugs' in the book. They were far more terrifying. Hulking, bipedal tarantula monstrosities, which used spaceships and ranged weapons of their own. So formidable that they were actually winning for a while.
The conflict in the book would have made sense.
But then, the vast majority of the book had nothing to do with depictions of combat.
Xenomorphine yeah it was more about the main characters mindset and his perspectives. I think that’s what made it badass. You get a good feel of being in the suit, and the terror and grandeur of the conflict.
Maybe that’s why the movie succeeded too. It’s exactly the same when it comes to those themes. Just changing up the setting a bit.
The Comic series have a few humans vs other humans story.
They didn't fight these bugs but spiders with guns.
Same problem when someone would do a 40k movie.
They either tone it down or limit it to less storie oriented action of propaply marines vs xenos...
Of course a movie on an inquisitorial mission, a former underhive inhabitant struggling to survive the service in the guard working him/herself up the ladder of ranks, a planet forgotten by the officials of the Imperium trying to withstand heritics (maybe someone is brave enough to adapt the back stories of the death korps)... There are countless possibilities but any of them wouldn't be honest to the source material unless it is either r-rated because the massive amounts of casualties, the brutality of higher ups and commissars and the horrors the xenos or chaos forces present couldn't be displayed otherwise... Or it needs a special kind of director to be able to convey that atmosphere of danger and cruelty with only subtle use of graphic images but making sure the bloody outcome is suggested.
The way you framed the Federation losing on the Klendathu and reacting to it highlighted the similarities to Roman Republic or at least the idealized version of it. Roman legions weren't invincible nor were their military leaders pure geniuses, but Rome won many wars by simply being able to raise more legions and learning from their previous losses.
The first and second Punic Wars being a fine example of this.
"The only good but is a dead bug" said some guards man
I repeat this line for my kids whenever there's a fly in the house, and I am called to service for the federation...
Ork, Aelf, Blue, Necro, ect...
Subscription guarantees citizenship.
I'm doing my part!
Arch: Would you like to know more?
Me: *damn near breaks finger from hitting play so hard*
Book: space marines in power armor.
Movie: infantry without armor or artillery. What can possibly go wrong?
It was more of a walking vehicle. Almost like Centurion in 40k
clayton tindell they did have armor, a flak jacket and helmet and it is possible that the fatigues they were wearing were some kind of futuristic Kevlar material, even the PDF and penal legions of the imperial guard get flak vests and helmets.
And it's likely the mobile infantry would have brought in artillery and armor after the drop site was cleared unfortunately not only was the initial landing force overwhelmed but their fleet was practically decimated by bug AA
Or the ability to call upon any close air support, whatsoever, apparently.
Or being armed with more than just rifles and grenades, for the most part.
Worst fictional military, ever.
@@dionwoollaston5717 The point he was making is they were NOT the Mobile Infantry of the Book. The MI of the book were highly trained, superbly equipped elites. In the film they are undersupported cannon fodder.
@@alganhar1 It also makes more sense. It costs an awful lot to launch things into space, might as well go for quality over quantity.
Over 100,0000 casualties in the klendathu drop, brutal but ineffective training, woefully outgunned with little more than small caliber assault rifles.
In other words, a fine addition to the god-emperor's imperial guard.
The Mobile Infantry. Even the Imperial Guard feel sorry for these guys. At least the Guard has tanks and artillery support.
The PDF feels bad for these guys. Atleast they have the guardsmen to come and save thier kids after they die, what do the MI have? More MI?
In the book, the MI have power armor that can match the Astartes‘s.
@@kokofan50, that's what I remember but in the movie they're running around in a flak vest that does nothing.
@@kokofan50 I thought they were more like battlesuits.
@@Tounushi MI power armor is some in between battle suits and Astartes armor. They’re really more like less advanced Ironman armor, to bring in a completely different universe.
When I watch sst I just can't unsee the mobile infantry as guardsmen
sassy the sasquatch in the book they are more like space marines with powered armor and insert via drop pods from orbit
@@starwing0 oooh like in the animated ones where they have jetpacks n stuff , that'd be standard issue? Well now I feel like I've been robbed lol
sassy the sasquatch yeah me too. I’ve watched all the movies and doing the audio book now. The book is very different
@@starwing0 well I guess I'll start on the books , I've Heard there was a humanoid type of bug in the books that never appeared in the film, is that the case?
sassy the sasquatch haven’t got to the bugs yet but heard they are not like the book. And there is at least one other kind humanoid alien
When people talk about the whole service guarantees citizenship issue, they should go watch this video by Angrycops, a drill sergeant irl, where he takes apart a tiktoker’s arguments that army selection is oppressive or immoral. It is unintentionally related to this subject.
The only good tiktoker's is a dead tiktoker's, anyone that disagrees with me belongs on the cross. Hail Cesar
Some type of service guaranteeing citizenship would be a good idea if that was the ONLY way to guarantee citizenship, and citizenship could not be inherited. Historically, the problem is inequality - where people with wealth, power, etc. obtain citizenship through other means such as inheriting citizenship from your parents, paying a certain amount of money, etc as an alternative to service to the state. This is seen in ancient Athens, various times during the Roman Republic and Empire, etc and many modern nations. Even ancient Sparta had vast inequalities regarding this, because many people who served in the Spartan military never gained citizenship, and the Spartan citizenship process was only open to people of a certain lineage and ancestry and also who had enough money to "pay" for their agoge education & training program. In the end, all historical examples resulted in a system where those with wealth and power had a far easier way to gain citizenship and it was not a pure merit + service based system.
@@Intranetusa yeah the Spartans were kinda terrible irl they were a slaver civilization
Wasn't everyone a slaver during the time period.
@@mckitsune7600 yes and no. Slavery was common but Spartans kinda did it to the extreme 90% of their population were slaves they'd hunt as a right of passage. They're entire civilization was actually built around slavery not war as the warrior culture developed to better hold onto said slaves who if they revolted would obviously be a serious threat.
This fear also led too the downfall of sparta along with their extreme traditionalism in general
Starship troopers is my favorite science fiction book.
The moon is an harh mistress is even better , have you read it?
I prefer his Lazarus Long books myself
Old man's war - Scalzi. Read it bro. Same as Stark's trilogy by Campbell. Good books in military sci-fi genre.
@@julianjanczyk9041 OK, I will
@@VictorianTimeTraveler and if you want to read about some big starships fights - Starfire series. Also recommend it :)
Kinda hoping Arch compares the Mobile Infantry of the book and the movie as well as the differences between the governments.
From what I remember the MI in the book basically all bounce around in well-armed jetpack power armour, hence the name.
You are correct, the reason this wasn’t added during the 1997 movie is because of budget and because the director really didn’t read the entire book.
Said director made this movie to be satirical, but didn’t realize the fan base it would create.
@@guardsmengunner honestly the "budget" sounds like a bad excuse to me, Warhammer 40k short films "inquisitor" was made in 1996 and have space marine in bulky power armor just fine and the film was made with small budget.
@@guardsmengunner The Director directed fucking ROBOCOP, Starship Troopers with full blown Power Armour SHOULD have been a no Brainer.
He just wanted to make the federation look bad, nothing more, nothing less.
I remember having an argument about this movie with a guy I knew. I pretty much said the reason they don't have sights in their guns was "well a bug is armored as a light vehicle with a mean streak. Volume of fire is more important than sniping. And they are fighting units that don't do cover as humans do."
"Would you like to know more?"
*SLAMS "YES"*
Dont forget the 80's OVA, the design of the power armor is 😚👌exquisite.
OVA of what ?
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Me: thinking how this type of government came to be in the book
*Watches the news
Me: ah I see we are heading on the correct path. Carry on
The sad part is that the technocrats have to win and fail first.
@@10011110011 dont worry, europe is at it right now!
@@adrenjones9301 well... thats true. And I dont remember how much the technokrats had to fuck up, so we might survive it with little problems.
@@10011110011 *And I dont remember how much the technokrats had to fuck up* Remember post WW1 germany in 1920s? That much.
in the book it happened almost exactly as what is going on in the chaos that is the US
Ah yes, Starship Troopers
the 3d animated series alongside such classics as Stargate SG1 turned me from a child to a man at the ripe age of 4
been doing my part since
Fun thing is to count all the "deaths" in a 3d movie about a futuristic war made for children ages 7 and up.
Something that just won't even be considered today.
@@Marinealver Deaths? My man those that died in that show or... any of the aforementioned tv series, movies, etc. got lucky
There were definitely some good "I have no mouth and I must scream" moments in those
Whaaaaa!? Starship Trooper lore!? Yes! Yes please!
This rifle could pierce space marine armor.
?
@@garank4971 I think he means the
Why am I not surprised that Arch has a hard on for starship troopers, specially the book! 🤣 🤣 🤣
#metoo though.
Its actually an interesting point. Fun fact, I do happen to believe Arch is somewhat right wing. However, I also believe he is a Libertarian. Heinlein too was a Libertarian.
And that is a VERY important distinction, there is a WHOLE world of difference between a Right Wing Libertarian and a Right Wing Authoritarian. It is why this Right wing vs Left wing pisses me off. It is two dimensional and only describes part of someones political philosophy. As, actually probably more important than where you are on the Left - Right Wing scale is where you are on the Authoritarian-Libertarian-Anarchist scale.
@Ellisar Atranimus The right is more about conserving what works. New things sometimes work better and become new traditions. Most of the time they don't. Also, read the H&MP flashbacks in the book. They give a lot of insight on how the Federation views things.
Damn good book, though.
@@Ulani101 very much agreeing on that but it's a bit much with all the "lectures" 🤣
Robert Heinlein was a brilliant writer. It's good to see his work getting attention.
I'll cross these up:
"Would you like to know more?"
My answer "What'd ya bring me!?" (EFAP)
Really enjoyed the book. I can still remember the argument for corporal punishment as a corrective action, not because of cruelty or sadism, but rather because pain is an immediate signal that you are doing something wrong that even an infant who can’t understand speech can comprehend and most importantly learn from.
The mobile infantry are the thunder warriors of the imperial guardsmen
Change my mind
The terran federation came before the Imperium. And now that Arch is doing this, it is all coming together.
The Federal Fleet = The Imperial Navy (Downgraded)
The Mobile Infantry = The Astra Militarum (Heavily Downgraded)
The Arachnids = The Tyrannids (Very Very Very Very heavily downgraded)
Hell, I think it was this book that made the "space marine" trope a thing. Not the first to use it but the one that made it popular.
Event horizon then starship troopers then 40k.
Got any other movies that could likely be in universe? Maybe Conan?
@@patchmoulton5438 Not just space marines but also power armor and unit tactics and a lot of modern and future warfare concepts and ideas.
So much so that it's required reading at West Point.
@@thelordofcringe Required reading for Marine Officers and on the recommended reading list for Naval enlisted. It's how I actually found out about this book and _The Forever War,_ both of which I like immensely. I also found out that the first book in Jay Allens _Crimson Wrolds_ series was based heavily on this book but a bit more cynical in nature. And less aliens.
@@patchmoulton5438 it made power armor popular .... 40k space marines have that in addition to being OP genetically engineered murder machines.
Shoot a starship trooper out of his power armor and he dies.
Shoot and astartes with out his power armor and he gets lightly wounded, very pissed off, and proceeds to tear your head off quite literaly.
I loved the first CGI movie. You had a dude fight off a bug with pure martial arts.
He was immediately overwhelmed by the 100 bugs behind the one he beat...still a good fight.
I agree with the "voting is not a right, it is a privilege, and one that must be earned" stance that The Federation has, and i wish they would do something similar in real life today, if only to weed out the passive voters that just vote on party lines without actively paying attention to what their party representatives are saying and doing.
It soundsgood in theory but the opportunity for oppression is too high , the masters of violence can make laws so they can freely tax the not citizens.
@@corradoalamanni179 its because alot of other conditions has to exist for limited citizenship to work as intended. the US as it is right now, depending on which group is given the citizenship it would be a coin toss as to whether itll be good or bad for the nation.
@@stuka80 there is also another factor for universal voting , if you have a problem with the system you can have it addressed in circa 5 years or so. If you cannot vote you have violence as a more viable option than most
"force, my friends, is the authority from which all other authorities derive." ~the emperor of mankind right before burning down the last church on terra.
One bit from the book that'll always stick to my mind. A religious official started blessing people, according to what ever religion that trooper was. This proves true acceptance, a unification of a people with 1 goal. I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but I found this 1 bit truly great. And bear in mind this book was written a very long time ago, before all this social media bullshit
Mobile infantry: I’m doing my part!
Arch and subscribers: I’m doing my part!
Fleet: I’m doing my part too!!
M.I./Arch and subscribers: “chuckling begins”
As a Native American, I will say this about knives: There are alot of things you can find in nature but a sharp edge isn't one of them.
A good knife can always come in handy.
It seems to me an arachnid claw swipe would be a very effective area of effect weapon against a group of bunched up soldiers
Signing up for Citizenship! Who wants to live forever anyways!
The closest thing to the Sky Marshal resignation I can think of is Dwight D. Eisenhower if D-Day had failed. He had an admittance of failure and ownership of his responsibility typed up and ready. I don't remember if he declared/offered his resignation in that statement, but I would have expected with in days.
Funny thing is, if d-day had failed, ww2 would, probably, still have been over. The Sovjets would have been steamrolled through to spain, turning the cold war into a REAL clusterfuck.
@@adrenjones9301 I'm not sure. It could be argued that with the freeing up of even more troops and equipment from western Europe that could have made an impact, especially if the US withdrew from the theater. I do agree that in the scenario of no check to the soviet army advancement, the Cold War would have been really, really ugly.
@@Heegaherger True, taking troops from the west might´ve stopped the Sov´s but that would open you up wide for another western offensive too. I doubt a D-Day defeat would´ve made the allies to just go home.
@@adrenjones9301 Roosevelt was nearing the end of his life (the stress was slowly killing him) and Churchill's party was defeated by Labour. I can't imagine that a set back as big as a failed D-Day would allow the US to stay in the fight and with out US support I don't think the UK could have gone on alone. It would be fascinating to do a deep dive of the "what if's"
@@Heegaherger Clemment Attlee's Government won the 1945 Election, which took place 5th July 1945. A Year after D-Day. So no, I do not think Britain would have given up if D-Day failed until at least that point. I do nto think the US would have either, both Britain and the US were in agreement, no negotiated Peace Deals with the Axis. They demanded unconditional surrender.
At best all shifting those extra units from the Western Front to the Eastern would have done is slow the Soviets down some. Operation Bagration would still have gone ahead, and that obliterated an entire German Army Group. Bagration led to the loss of almost 25% of the German forces on the Eastern Front. Once those battles rolled to a close the damage was done. Germany simply could not recover from those huge losses.
So, as I said, best they could have managed was to slow the Soviets down. The Red Army of 1945 was *not* the same beast as that of 1941. It had learned its lessons, usually the hard way.....
I pray that this will become a short lore series. Starship Troopers is really underrated.
Something to keep in mind is that their entire officer corps is made up of people who started out at the bottom. Well, except for intelligence, but they're specialists. So every officer was once a grunt, and understands what it's like to have a rifle, a foxhole, and a shirt between yourself and death. I would say that plays a particularly important role in fast decisions when grunts are getting chopped to pieces, literally.
Oh great, Arch does another video on the Imperial Guard...
I was expecting Night Haunter.
Announcer guy: Would you like to know more?
Me : Yes I do!
14:55 I can think of one man who (while he never needed to) was willing to do what sky Marshall dienes did, on the 6th of June 1944 general Dwight D Eisenhower carried around a peice of paper in his pocket the entire day, written on it was a speech accepting full responsibility for the disastrous failure of the Normandy invasion, an apology to the troops who were killed and their bereaved families and his immediate resignation as supreme allied commander, obviously he never needed to read this speech aloud as the invasion was an unmitigated success with relatively light casualties ( the predicted casualties was 3 times what they actually were) so he never needed to do that but the willingness to do so was clearly there.
when Mr Krabs tells you to put your hand on that wall, you put your damn hand on that wall!
Me: Oh, its an Arch video.
Arch: This is a video on the lore of the Mobile Infantry.
Me: "Desire to know more intensifies."
Death korps of Krieg infantry: 2 and 10 survival
Mobile infantry: 2 and 10 survival
Death korps of Krieg infantry: takes heavy losses but carry the point in their first battle
Mobile infantry: takes heavy losses +1000 casualties and loss their first battle
*kriegers disappointedly shake their heads*
I think that the battle of klendathu was a Tactical defeat but nothing serious simply a horrific humiliation for the federation, a stupid absurd lost of life
Santiago Hernandez hmmm true
um... within the first 30-50minutes they lost over 100 000 soldiers, at which point they called the retreat. 700 000 more would die before the retreat was over and done with discounting the 200 000 missing.
Kreig numbers if I ever saw one
Just imagine if this is how the imperial guard in warhammer 40k
The first Starship Troopers movie was great. I watched it already like 10 times or so in the last decades. Always fun to come back to that movie. It kind of feels like watching Imperial Guard vs Nids, well a bit at least.
Man why does it seem everyone forgot that SGI tv series? Roughnecks was a pretty enjoyable series
Arch talks about Starship Troopers reddit, twitter and Facebook will be alive with activity in 3.....2......1......
Reeeeeeeeeeeee........
I'd love to get your take on Roughnecks: Starship Troopers Chronicles, fond memories from watching that when I was younger.
Likely also more faithful to the book as well.
There is also the OVA series Starship Troopers for all the Anime fans which really does follow the book a lot better.
The plan of Sky Marshal Diens was a bloody one but was a necessary one. The bugs had already made the first strike through their plasma bugs so sending nuke armed kill teams to destroy their first strike capability had to happen, despite intel at the time. No one wants a second Klendathu, but no one wants a second Buenos Aires as well.
This was the second sci-fi movie I watched the child in me is happily dancing
I would, in fact, like to know more.
Perfect! I recently rediscovered it for myself; now Arch gives me a lecture. love it.
Arch, you hit the nail on the head. I enjoyed this one a great deal. Please release more.
Starship Troopers.
The only Classic series of movies that always makes my Arachnidphobia be put to good use... with good old battle rifles and mini nukes.
I actually own the RPG that was designed for this game.
I only know of this series from hearsay, and having caught a film of it a LONG time ago, can't remember which it was but essentially the base was infiltrated and overrun. I am looking forward to the Lord Inquisitor leading us across the reality boundary, and exploring this new and grim universe!
Here's the original book. Listen and enjoy. czcams.com/video/zwFMszIVGko/video.html
Sounds like the second film
The book is pretty short. You could finish it quickly.
It IS the second movie.
@@WarriorVirtue Thanks, I will when I get around to it!
Please make more of these videos! Didn't realise how complex the lore actually can be when you analyse it like you did here.
Always loved the movie myself btw :)
Love it! Thanks Arch!
a wolverine in your trousers you just reminded me of the boot to the head
And so to my cat Mittens, I leave me entire vast.... boot to the head.
Just started the audio book this morning...
Rico can't even get into the K9 unit. 🙄😂
Yes, but the important part is the why. As the Major explains to Rico, the K9 and its handler are an extremely close knit team. If Rico was not willing to sneak his pet dog into his room as a kid he was not the kind of person they wanted as the human half of a K9 team. Don't forget, these dogs are NOT like your average pet dogs. These dogs have been genetically enhanced, they are as bright as a low IQ adult, they even have a language.
Probably for the best really, as all the K9's essentially suicided on Klendathu.
Arch,This is a Great Gift For a Change,Ty For This !.
Nothing gets me going like the Klendathu Drop! Beautiful composition.
The mobile infantry in the movie needed some godamn armoured support
From the way the bugs are in the movie, they would probably rip apart any APC's or MBT's, if they could get close enough.
Never read the books, but that just means I'm even more interested in the lore of Starship Troopers, especially you telling it in your style.
_Would you like to know more?_
_>Yes_
_No_
Thank you for this sweet vid Arch
Awesome videos arch can't wait for the second part
Dude! The Book had WAY better Mobile Infantry than the movie. They were, you know mobile. Hope you fix this one on the bounce.
Just finished the original book, Love the movie as well.
They are absolutely my politics.
Very very impressed.
You did my favorite childhood movie justice and helped clear up many a common misconception.
Hail be the Arch, saint of lore and leader of the warhammer community.
Looking forward to more on this wonderful franchise.
The lore about the guns they used in the movie is actually quite amazing. I have been looking about it for a long time. Thanks foe this amazing video.
And I will love to see more videos about the lore of this movie.
Wow, You read my mind, I just listened to the Audio book a couple of days ago XD
Tho I wish you'd talk about the book side of things, like power armor ;)
Every time I think about the Marauder armor, I think it'll look like Terminator space marines
I remember liking Starship troopers the movie the first time I saw it. The sole reason for this is probably most unusually because in this instance I saw the movie before reading the book. It was a fun movie don't get me wrong but the differences between the movie and the book are so vast that the only thing they have in common is some of the locations and some of the terminology and names.
Compared to the book, the movie is an empty thoughtless shell.
Of course in the same way that sometimes you just want to eat at McDonald's, sometimes that sort of thing is what you just want to watch.
Of course to be fair, if a virgin were made the were accurate to the book today it would probably literally be banned. It would pretty much have to be to prevent countless SJW's from having a heart attack resulting from extreme rage. The Ridiculousness of this is a topic for another time.
The point is the two, the book and visual media, are so vastly different they hardly really count as the same franchise and I've always held Starship Troopers is the penultimate example of how vastly media productions can differ from Source material. I'm a bit puzzled, admittedly pre-watch, why does Channel chose not to go with the book instead of the movie. I don't question the quality of the video, not after having watched several of the 40k videos- it's the reasoning behind it that perplexes me.
I'm also a bit baffled why Arch of all people didn't go with the book first.
Considering how awesome the MI is in the novel and how the MI is undoubtedly the inspiration for super soldiers like the Spartans from Halo or the space marines of 40K.
Also the director of the movie has said that he hadn't read the book and was trying to make a satire of fascism. Hence the 40s Hugo Boss looking uniforms of the intelligence core in the movie.
Agreed, really that is my entire issue with the SST video franchise, the fact it paraded as Heinleins Starship Troopers, and in fact had almost nothing in common with it. Had they come up with a different franchise, or kept only the name, without trying to pretend that it was a satire of Heinleins book and Facism (The book was a Libertarians wet dream ffs), then I think you would find that people such as myself, who read the book long before the film was released. Would not be bothered by it.
Problem is they did, and in doing so shat all over what was arguably the first true Military Sci Fi book, written by a man who went on to be one of the aknowledged masters of Sci Fi.
There is nothing really wrong with the movie except that. It is an enjoyable enough movie, but I cannot sit down and watch it because of that simple fact that it bastardised the Book completely, and left behind a false image of the book that is still present today.
Love the video hope you go in depth and all the stuff that's out there for starship troopers like the anime
Really liked this video, would love to see more starship troopers in the future