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Rudy's Magic Store
10950-60 San Jose Blvd.
Box # 139
Jacksonville, FL 32223
Everyone. We offered this nice lady around 35k in 2015. She passed. My wife and I had breakfast with her in 2016, offered here around 25k, she passed. Now, she decided to sell. She offered to SCG, they wanted to open the cards from grading to check if they were REAL. This is a perfect example of timing and making a decision best for your life. Markets change too, another lesson to learn.
So, you just took advantage of her situation. Moreover you tried to go back to 20,750 after you agreed for 21k.
Vintage MTG yeah feels are great and all but a business is a business. Most of these kids crying don't realize that this bitching is akin to watching an NBA game and saying buh buh that wouldn't be a foul in my local street pick up game... there's rules and levels to this shit
+maras3naraz I don't think he took advantage of the situation. He's saying that the cards are no longer worth 34k they are worth 21k, due to the market. They might jump back up in price, or drop. If he had bought them 2 years ago and was unable to sell them, he'd lost 9k himself. Buying and selling collectibles is a gamble, similar to stock markets. Both are taking a risk. Next year these cards could be worth less than 15k, or go back up to 30k.
As the saying goes: timing is everything. Welcome to investing. Did she lose $14k in value? Nope, the market lost that value. If she made the deal, she must have been accepting of the price paid. Maybe in two years that collection will be worth $70k, or $5k. Investing in physical assets often and unfortunately triggers sellers remorse. Vintage didn't take advantage of anything. He made an offer every year for three years and it was this year an offer was accepted. Don't blame smart business for being smart.
Daniels always been shady if ou people havent noticed. But what investor isnt? Youre not there to make friends, youre there to make money.
I feel like the only real winners in all this are the grading companies
Same thing on the stock market, except instead of grading companies, it's the exchanges.
Mostly they are. Otherwise, there business wouldn't exist that long. But these companies also made a lot of people rich or at least richer. There are people out there, that became multiple millionaires. And a lot of people that easily made more than 100k of just a few cards of paper. It is incredible. The thing that amazes me the most is, that some cards can go so easy for 15k+. Sport, Magic or specific Pokemon cards. And not even talking about cards sold for 50k+ or even 100k+. These grading companies for sure have there part in making this possible. But there is a bit of "scamminess" surrounding grading and especially the grading process. I mean PSA is so untransparent, it is unbelieveable, that the majority of the people never spoke up about this.
PSA would grade your grammar a generous 4/10.
Only true winners - WoC. They can easly make some pieces drasticly drop in price by reprinting them.
Александр Миранович they won't ever reprint those cards though. They're on the reserve list.
The MTG investor lifestyle, spend 21k on cardboard, go home and eat .99 cent tacos.
Affinity for MTG "investor."
Y'know, the MTG have-money peoples.
Yeah and there soggy floppy tacos with ground up
Greed monster.
Ehm!!!
.99 cent floppy tacos.
I can't even afford to look at this video.
20k for two Alpha Lotuses? That would be an absolute bargain today.
graded alpha lotuses
@@Mike0071 The difference between a BGS 7 and a raw one in good shape is negligible. Grading doesn't add huge value unless you are getting 9+
Rudy was just sitting there... "If you don't buy it, I'm gonna."
Mike Nelson hell ya he was
Watching in 2022- this is easily half a million in cards. The 9.5 alpha lotus she said she has at home is probably 200-300k minimum
wow watching this in 2022, that 85 alpha black lotus is worth 50k alone, for the lot its probably in area of 300-400k in todays prices, not a bad return for initial 21k
yeah but charizard is worth more
@@johnny7121 Garbage comment do shrooms
@@MetalFingerzz sure shrooms are fun
lol there are probably handful people on earth who actually have $50k and would be willing to spend it on a magic card..... you don't stay rich by being a fool
@@johnny7121 Garbage comment do shrooms
Thankfully Dan's negotiation skills are stronger than his dance moves.
This was 10x more interesting than I was expecting. Actually learned a lot.
Interesting, the cards also 10x'ed in price since this comment was written 🙂
2017: $20k on cards? That's alot of money.
2020: $20k on cards? That's called a Tuesday.
Why is he haggling?
@@bullet3020 Are you kidding?
I’ve been to a number of grimy silver and gold pawn shops and it’s all the same. Shady shady shady. He knows he’s looking at a gold mine that he’s going to sell for triple in 2 years, yet haggles over $250. She says what the stack of rares is worth and he doesn’t even listen to her, going so far as to not even look at the cards. It’s a business and he’s gotta make money, but don’t pretend like he’s not taking advantage of the situation. These kind of people are incapable of having friends anywhere adjacent to their business; everyone is just another opportunity for them.
Can't say that he knew it would be worth in few years. He assumed they would go up but there is no guarantee for it. If there was, no one would sell until it goes up. But that is not how the market works. Don't feel there is anything shady going on here, just business, other than calling Volcanic and bazaars "fluff". Often you do your profits with the fluff. Pay full price for the high end stuff and get a ton of "fluff" to sell.
Asian Guy: $250 difference really?
Girl: I'm jewish of course thats a big deal!
LMAOOO
@@gabrielperez8093 he had the same mentality, he wasn't willing to go 250 up right away either
Never heard a truer statement
@@gabrielperez8093 And what kind of mentality you have, to throw $250 away just to smooth the deal over.
oy vey!
Wow, when stereotypes come to life 😂
I love your vids, and this is easily one of the most interesting that you've posted. More of this Rudy. More of this indeed.
I'm not sure why I clicked this video, I don't know a thing about MTG lol
Vic
You fell into the trap. I was the same way a few months ago until I found Rudy and now I have some cards and starting to play a bit.
NEVER WATCH MTG VIDEOS AGAIN mtg is a drug. as you saw he spent 21k on cardboard and so would I. TCG games are dangerous. for your wallet.
@@panic5306 Not always, I bought some cards at a yard sale for 5 bucks, not even looking through the whole book, turns out I have a few worth over 30 bones, some valued at over 100 (OLD split lands). It can be lucrative (though I don't intend to sell) if you look in the right places. It was only after I started following Alpha Investments that I realized I was sitting on a decent profit.
God's God you sir got very many lucky
Always gotta keep one eye open, friend. Also I make sure to tap out for luck counters every morning
sketchy guy on the side was like.... "there's 21 grand sitting right in front of me"
Lol I dont think he would of made it out the building. Surrounded by a 100s of nerds.
Ya, definitely sketchy! He was contemplating it...
it was a good deal for both because she got what she felt was a fair price. However, I think it's pretty clear that Daniel thought the stack of cards was trash bulk until he picked through it and realized it would be easily moved for $1,000+
Maybe, but it comes across as a negotiation tactic imo. Put down the product and once other party has been slogged down by emotion, you compliment them a little. Probably not even realizing he's doing this.
This will haunt her dreams and the dreams of her children for the rest of their lives.
damn mtg lion really let himself go
Dean Kardas Lmfaooooo.
FUCK Rest in piece
what do you mean
omfg lol
LOL!
"And I'll buy you dinner"
Smooth.
bro they are both married 😂
It was a floppy tacos dinner anyway
I don't think he meant it in a romantic way, mate.
That´s what I call, a low-cost strategie. Very effective, btw!
Tube steak with a side of mash potatoe, and apple juice to wash it all down 😎
Notice how fast he pulled the trigger after noticing the rares?
He knew what was there. He acted like he didn't so it didn't make him look like an asshole for going back down to 20.5 from 21.
kirby griffin yea that card worth 2k atleast
Yeah he knew that was a good scoop
Yup. Dude KNOWS at that point it wasn’t a good deal. He haggled her down to theft prices and “assumed she had shit cards” in the pile. She was trying to be fair. Which is what you actually do in a business deal. If you want return business. Ya get your edge, your percentages, but don’t steal from people.
This guy is full of shit
"You want 20, but I'll give you 10... No? Okay, I'll meet you in the middle: 12." -- Daniel, Taco Mathematician
More like "two years ago i offered 34, now its not worth it. Ill give you 20" "give me 25" "nah" "meet in the middle with 22.50?"
+leon H dude, you do not know how many videos on youtube I've seen with you in the comments.
So you don't know how negotiations work
A dealer has to be able to offer cards at or lower than the market value. If he can turn over the entire set for a few thousand dollars he'll probably take the offer. Offer him $26,000 for the set all at once and he'd be thinking about it. Getting his money out of it immediately and making a few thousand or trying to hold on to it, part it out, try and sell enough of it to get his money back and not be left with a pile of "junk" cards which aren't worth the time to sell.
There aren't a lot of buyers with $30,000 to throw down on card game pieces that lose their value if you use them.
It is quite obvious that many people commenting here don't know much about business. Many folks are focusing on retail, not wholesale prices. With those kinds of cards Daniel will be sitting on that inventory for quite a while, getting 0% return on his 21 K. In the meantime, the market might go up, it might go down, he is carrying the risk. In addition he has his overhead to pay all this time. Try thinking in these terms. You go to a reputable jeweler and buy a D color, flawless GIA graded 1 carat diamond (basically a 'perfect' diamond) engagement ring for your lady. You haggle a bit and get the ring for $22,000. A month later, you and the lady have a big argument, she pulls the ring off, throws it at you and storms out. You go back to the jeweler and tell him he can buy it back from you for 20 K. The jeweler laughs and says the best he can offer you is $7,000. But, you say, I paid 22 K for it. The jeweler shrugs and says, yeah, so what, I am running a business here not a charity. That's how business works, especially on high end, luxury (essentially useless) products. You don't stay in business by buying high and selling low. Huge retailers like WalMart work on very high volume and low margins and they are the exceptions. Daniel didn't do anything different than any other small business owner would do. If you think it is so easy to make a killing, go ahead and open a small business and get back to me.
Soak Ed A diamond is a bad example, and so are many "luxury products". I'd say it's important to point out that artificial rarity =/= actual rarity. Also most luxury items (diamonds, gold, precious stones and metals) preserve their value because they have intrinsic value. Cardboard is just cardboard, and will only fetch these prices as long as someone is interested in paying these prices. You make it sound simple, but it isn't.
I understand your point but I think you missed mine. I was trying to show the disparity between 'retail price' and 'wholesale price', which I think my example shows well. As far as "intrinsic value", that is a whole another discussion. In my opinion, there is little difference between diamonds, which are nothing but pure carbon or MTG cards which are nothing but cardboard. Both are essentially useless. Using your standard of 'rarity', actually, it is far easier to find a D color, flawless, 1 carat diamond on the market than it is to find a BGS 10 Alpha Black Lotus. The former number in the millions, the later in double digits at best. There is much more "artificial rarity" in the gemstone market than you are led to believe. Remember the DeBeers Company's famous marketing slogan "A Diamond is Forever"? It's true. Almost every diamond that has ever been mined is still out there, even if it is at the bottom of a lake somewhere, diamonds are hard to destroy. Every day, the world's supply of diamonds grows by thousands of carats. The world's supply of gem quality diamonds far exceeds the demand, so the market is tightly controlled by the producers to sustain the high prices. There are currently about 500 million carats of gem quality diamonds in the world. Most precious metals and gemstones only have intrinsic value because of their beauty and relative rarity, and humans have decided to value them as such. Some precious metals have a value to industry such as gold, silver, and industrial grade diamonds because of their physical properties. Furthermore, diamonds are a very good illustration of my point because of the large mark-up between the wholesale price and the retail price, just like MTG cards. In the jewelry business, the standard mark-up is 100% and can often be as high as 300%, particularly for very expensive, high quality, gold and gemstone jewelry. Gold on the other hand has a very small markup for gold coins or bullion because of the widely accepted value of pure gold, and its use as a widely traded benchmark commodity,its use in industry, as well as its historical position as a highly liquid, valuable, easily obtainable commodity that has a generally recognized value. Pure gold is pure gold and you can buy an ounce of it at the benchmark daily price plus a small fee for the transaction. You can buy an ounce of gold one day for an amount slightly above the daily price and sell it back later to the same dealer for slightly lower than the daily price. Diamonds, like magic cards, vary widely in terms of quality and the market is sometimes volatile. It would be even more so if the diamond cartel didn't tightly control the price of diamonds and it regulates the market by adjusting how many diamonds of various sizes and qualities it releases to the market monthly, in some ways very similar to how WoTC controls the manufacture, distribution, and relative rarity of MTG cards. It is interesting to note that the modern market for gem quality diamonds was virtually invented by the DeBeers company in the early 1900s. Although not the primary force in the diamond trade that it was in the 1980s when it controlled 90% of the market, DeBeers still has a huge influence on the price of gem quality diamonds. The bottom line is, as Rudy often points out, human emotion plays a big part in the trading of any product that has no actual value, only a purely arbitrary one that various factors have assigned to it. There never was and there will never be a completely 'logical' reason for buying and trading gem quality diamonds or MTG cards other than human emotion, be it nostalgia, desire, or a business decision. My main point still stands that there is a big difference between the 'buy' price and the 'sell' price, be it MTG cardboard or gem quality diamonds. Other than the basic necessities of life; food, clothing and shelter, almost everything thing in the world has an arbitrary, subjective value that we have decided to assign to assign to it for whatever reason, most of them completely illogical and driven by emotions.
But MTG cards are artificial rarity if Wizards wanted the new duel decks could be legacy championship decks
The intrinsic value of diamonds is a myth, it is more real for the noble metals. Diamonds are kept artificially rare by a company that used to buy 90% to 95% of global rough production and selling only 5% of that. The other 95% are in vaults at De Beers. They also are credited for the best marketing campaign in history: Invention of the diamond engagement ring and coining the slogan "Diamonds are forever". Now their market share in buying rough diamond from mines is down to 60%, maybe even below 50%, and lab grown diamonds pressure the market. It could go bust any minute, its hanging by a thread. Ruby of gem quality with a nice red color is an order of magnitude rarer than diamond of gem quality with a nice white, but also an order of magnitude cheaper. So the price is artificial. I am a hobby collector of diamonds, i only buy synthetics now, not simulants, i buy the synthetics that are the same material and hardness and that will test as real with any testing method except emission spectroscopy. (Only fluorescence is different).
I am a hobby diamond collector and i only buy synthetics right now, and i agree, the market is as soft as the market for rare MTG cards. For natural diamonds it is even softer. But in both cases you are wrong about the wholesale price strucure, the profit margins are small. Jewellers just rob you blind, same is true for single MTG cards bought over the counter at card shops. More realistic prices are found in the wholesale, online and peer-to-peer markets, with margins for professionals as low as 10% to 20%.
-"wow, 250$"
-"I'm Jewish, ofc it's a big deal"
Pros: she bought a house just before the boom....Cons: she sold Alpha cards just before the boom
She still got a quarter mil probably in that 9.5
I thought the title said $21 million. I skipped a lot throughout the video, but this is really interesting actually!
Shit, been 3 years and thought the same when I glanced. Still a fun upload.
Same lol cheeky move adding the .00 but respec cuz it drew me in
20k for two alpha lotuses in 2020 would have been a great bargin
Im watching this thinking how great of a deal it is
I mean fuck... just that Arabians knight set is like 7k+ now
This is a really good deal yeah 😅
21k for two lotus is a good bargain. You can sell one . Basically if he sells it now it’s buy one get one free. Black border are more expensive that white border espexiallly for 10.. they are going for hundreds of thousands.
This was Rudy putting on his triangle hat and buying up the market again.
Wow....what a deal. Talk about a return in 2019!
From a guy who can’t buy a damn tropical Island because I’m broke... this is a wild fucking ride.
Buy proxys from China. It's what lots of people do.
If you mixed with original cards is hard to notice...
oh yeah, well i've got a shiny rare so there
3:03 the big man with the hug calves like wtf lol, cant tell he is even wearing shoes lol
great spot
Toan toantt04 wow good catch lol
holy shit, good eye
Holy elephantitis batman!!
GET IN MY BELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5:06 the guy on the left wearing the Lodestone Coffee & Games T-Shirt is what's up! Best local game store in Minnesota hands down.
Time to pick up grading as a side job
and here i debate on buying a card for $14. I'll never have $21,000 to spend on cards lol. but that was a deal i would have done if i had that much money.
Same. I finally bought my self a play set of Arid Mesa when the re print came out. Even then I felt like an asshole paying that much money for cardboard. Vintage stuff still baffles me.
but damnation was reprinted. it's like $7
Dante Virgil Dude, same 😂😂😂
How dare you not have 21,000 dollars for a few pieces of cardboard!
Shatamx MTG card market is really werid, it's like after watching this I decided to look through my collection. The most valuable card I have is a foil Marrow Gnawer from the kamigawa block but my promo ink-eyes from betrayers prerealease has no value. But the none foils of the same card does....It's just werid.
Very very interesting. Thanks to the asian fella for explaining everything for us casuals. Great vid. I haven't touched a magic card since Urzas saga, now i kinda want to collect again.
Ditto; got out around Urza's, but am quickly getting sucked back in 2020.
Did you start collecting though?
I don't know anything about magic, but I love this VIDEO...I love watching negotiations.
Everything i buy goes down, everything other people buy goes up. Just the 8 lotus is worth 80k now
9:55 I'm jewish! it's a good deal!
lmao
gabrielpapi1 yeah, 21k was lower than I thought she would go.
it's not. good deal would be $25K and extra $5K for administrative expenses + $198.98 monthly subscription fee for next 12 months.
Look up the etymology of the word jew for another laugh.
gabrielpapi1 Hahaha
moofymoo She should have taken when he offered her 30k
Man, Daniel got taken for a ride on this. A few hundred cards may be about 10 pounds. You can buy cardboard for $10 a ton. 2,000 POUNDS FOR $10. Rudy tell Daniel I can put him in touch with my cardboard guy. This cannot keep happening.
Some of the cardboard came with free plastic.
Nick do u know MTG.
Travis Hathaway is that... is that a sex thing?
No sex has nothing to do with it
Nick Fraley mtg = magic the gathering
>When you spend your paper just to get paper you can't use as the same paper until you turn it back into "your paper" - but more paper than before.
@Username He meant money
3 years later these people must hate themselves. 2-300k plus worth of cards there in todays prices for a house that's probably not worth anything near that. Makes me sad they didn't stay the course.
bingo.
Again, Daniel comes across super well when he is chill and just discussing things. Real knowledgeable dude.
After llooking up sold listings on ebay and taking 13% off everything its worth around $26K cash. If you take off another 20% for profit as a dealer, its righ at $21K. So good deal for both I think. Yes she could have made more on ebay, but that would put paypal sales above 20K she'd have to do a 1099 form and pay taxes. Easier to do the cash deal in my opinion, so again good deal for both.
And it was cash now deal no waiting time and no chance of getting scammed.
Exactly
eBay sucks for sellers
James Tisdale Not to mention potential chargeback. I sold a mox pearl and guy Claims envelope was opened and it was empty.
paypal always sides with crook buyers
Scratch King that sucks :/
21k in 2017 low prices was justified. In 2021 ... markets swing and currently the only way is up.
I feel silly sometimes buying singles for 20...but man! never imagined this level of intensity and passion for the game haha
This was super interesting, those cards where beautiful, and the people seem cool.
Anything vintage related is what I affectionately like to call "having a car in the palm of your hand". This is namely due to the price of things.
2 Alpha Lotuses + other stuff were 25k in 2017? DAMN, that would be the biggest steal in existence now.
I've been watching All of these Alpha videos for the past 20 or so hours. I must have been living under a Rock for the past 10 years because I had NO idea that these cards were were going for these prices...
lmao the bulk rares "I thought you had shit cards" cause it was topped by a Royal Assassin
this episode is great You should do more of these deals when your store opens, like they do in the show "comic book men"
From today stand point .. Selling this collection must be equivalent to buying pizza with BTC ..
It's always fun to see buyers, sellers and traders from all different environments. The basic tenets really are the same. My favorite part is watching the battle of two different value strategies at war with one another, it's a contest of human psychology, market knowledge and sales. Sometimes I'll flip an everyday car just to answer the question: "do I still got it? Or am I an old washed up boomer? Let's find out"
lmao. This video didnt age well for the woman but aged amazingly well for the shop. With the way prices are now on these cards... insert drooling emoji here.
13:30 " are those the bulk rares? i thought you had shit cards." polluted delta, jitte, senseis top...
Watching this in July 2023. This must have been one HELL of a flip.
"They think becauae Im a woman, they can low-ball me."
-proceeds to get extremely low-balled
bruh you know Daniel saw something in those bulk rares
LOL for real... he was struggling to let go of 1% of the deal for a solid 5 mins. Looks at the "crap" deck and insta locks his buy.
Daniel is the true winner here.
lmao noticed that too from the jump
He paused a few times, saw a divining top and was like “sure ok.”
Royal Assassin, none of those cards were worth what they are today, as markets change, but they were still worth a solid penny
I think he noticed the beta zombie master and that was what made him say yes. If its in 7 grade or higher condition I'm guessing that alone would fetch 100
See all those ppl staring at the cash thinking if they could get out of there with it or not.
Honestly, this isn't a casino...assuming they were near an exit, a good chance they could...but for $20k, well it's immoral, there's that, and you risk literally ruining your life for money you could live on for a few months and then be right back where you were.
@@mattm7798 Plus there are cameras. They would be tracked down.
He scored hell of a deal. That side stack alone is pretty hot. She lost out but she said she had more BL at home.
The job of any trader is to provide liquidity to the market. Yes she could have sold for more trying to piece it out. How-ever it takes time and energy to do so. I think both people got a fair deal. Hopefully he can't just simply flip it the same day for double his money. I'd say anywhere between a 15-30% roi within a month is a good deal for him. Honestly though I think he enjoys just meeting new people and that's the real reason he's into trading.
Damn, yu-gi-oh cards changed a lot
Ikr. Duel masters sure has evolved.
On gawd yu-gi-oh changed a lot 🤣
Yugioh is shit lol.. kids game
That's a fake Blue Eyes.
I had a similar experience at 2013 GP Denver. I was leaning over a booth super jazzed up (I think channel fireball) asking to buy a foil Leyline of Sanctity for $11 and some other guy leans over my shoulder and says "I want to buy that, and do you have any other Moxes?" He was pointing at a beta mox emerald, the dealer proceeds to get a box out of a safe, put on cotton gloves, and lay out a full set of unlimited moxes. He ended up buying the full unlimited set and the beta emerald. Plus a time twister from beta. It was like $22000 in cash. He lays out a TON of $20 bills to pay it out. The whole time I am distracted from my purchase. A woman says "Ma'am I'm sorry what did you want to buy?" I snap out of it and suddenly my $11 foil Leyline of Sanctity felt alot less special.
I feel that. I thought my vamp tutor pull was cool, until a dude flexed an entire foil deck of legit cards. Jewelled lotus full arts are wild
I dont understand , in 2015 is was offered 35K, 2016 35K and now 21K ?
I thought Magic card price was only rising up, specially for vintage cards.
Each time i look the price of a card it went up. What s happened in 2015 - 2017 ?
jonathan Levy I want to know too
3:03 there is a fucking landwhale hamplanet lurking the venue
please call the justice league to combat this monster
he's pretty uncareful with those cards, setting the binder on top of the non-jewel cased cards, not to mention the drink on the table...
Yeah, but he's worried about the 250 dollar difference in price, approximately, 1.2% of the value of the deal...
21k for yugioh cards... jesus
its magic the gathering.... but yeah i dont understand this also
I'm one month late but I'll try to explain.
Card value (in my opinion) is judged by three factors.
-Its rarity
-its usage in the game
-the last time it was printed.
The cards presented were printed sometime ~1995-1997 if I recall? And some of them are supposedly, "Power 9" cards, or cards that were *REALLY* good in the game. As of now, they're not legal in the current time. But the company has this format or set of rules that allow these cards to see play in official events.
The woman had two copies of "Black Lotus" there, a rare card that's worth ~$4.5 grand, $9 grand in total.
pokelol97 /r/wooosh
No 1994 mainly but they are rare the lotuses themselfs are worth 15k just for the 2
You so triggered some people with that statement
I don't even like Magic the Gathering, but as a collector of vintage rare heavy metal records, I can totally relate to this. I fuckin love this video. cheers to both of you.
Daniel, you got a steal. I'm blown away by how good this deal was for you. Good for you...you took a risk, bought the right cards, and now one alpha lotus from that batch will bring...what? 40k+? She must be kicking herself. I hope she kept her 9.5 alpha lotus, because...400k?
you are way off, alpha lotus thats a graded 7 or 8, won't go for 40k, like he was saying in the video, there are many 7 and 8 graded lotuses, they will still fetch a good price and he will make his money, but he won't get that kind of cash for one lotus.
@@aaronhanten6830 , I though he said this one was 9.5?
@@gomcse that was a lotus from his collection that he was showing as an example
I realize this was recorded and posted 6 months ago, but the price of an Alpha lotus hasn't moved much in the last half year. As of right now, the cheapest you can find a decent Alpha Lotus for is right at 12,000... 20k per in other places. If he gave her 21k for the collection, he's getting 2 lotuses for AT LEAST 3k off, and thousands of dollars in other cards for free.
Bazaar: At least 1k (There's 2 of them)
Mox Ruby: At least 1k
BB Duels: 1 - 1.5k
Probably close to 1k in the stack (She was offered around 400 from somewhere else.)
There's likely at least 5k in the rest of the cards.
It's not unreasonable to think that there's over 40k in cards. And I honestly don't think that the collection we saw there was worth a hell of a lot more a couple years ago when she was offered 35k. Now that she needs the money, I think it's fairly obvious that he saw that as an opportunity to get the cards for less. ANY business man would do so. But, that doesn't change the fact that he offered one amount then changed it when he thought he could get a better deal. (It's not likely that the market moved THAT much... from 35k to 20k.)
Rip off, fair, whatever you wanna call it... Those are the facts.
He offered her 35k she refused couple years later she returned and he got them for 21,500. Nothing wrong with that. It's a business any place you go for a estimate for a example work needed on your car or house, the estimate is only good for xx amount of days before it's no longer good even if the market hasn't changed.
1:16 I FOUND WALDO!!!!!!
I just came across a huge collection of these cards at a abandon storage locker auction and i don't know nothing about them.
U best head to a card shop and have them looked at. I know nothing about this particular card game but Magic cards can be worth a lot from what I’ve seen.
@@unde4dzh0rr0r9 I will have to I mean I have thousands of them most are in protective covers too so I will definitely get them looked at
I used to collect these a long time ago. Im so pissed i left my collection at a buddys house. I know i had some valuable stuff in there
And I'm over here hustling for Free Shipping/ +/-$5.00 increments 😂👌
Gotta start somewhere
My favorite things about negotiations like is are when the buyer complains about "oh just $250" after nickle and dime-ing them the whole way.
Watching this in 2022 as a beginning ABU collector and eating myself UP
"..and I'll buy you dinner" ..he trying to make a sale and hit some tail.
Daniel loves his shekels
You bet he's more Jewish than this gal. Oy vey.
Phil Shary SHUT IT DOWN!
Shmeckles*
Daniel really needs to look her in the eye when shaking on it. You don't make a 21k deal, look away at the camera while you extend the hand. Super rude.
TijmenDal that's not what happened, she turned away at the same time that he turned toward the camera: after they shook hands.
That is what happened, but i wouldnt say he was being rude. He was asking for the damn cash he owed her....
says TjimenDal as he waits for his 0.60$ ramen packet to be ready for eating
or you all are little bitches and take things too personal, life is too short for assuming nonsense.
At 14.55 he does make serious eye contact, and that's when the actual transaction happens.
Prolly cleaned up on those during Covid
For all those ripping on him for not paying more. You have to understand that he's buying them with the intention of selling them, which means he has to be able turn a profit for the cards he's buying. He's not going to pay premium and eat his own shirt. While the cards are worth a lot, it's still not easy to find someone who is going to have the disposable income to purchase all of these. He might sit on the majority of the collection for YEARS before finding someone who is going to give him a price that's going to make the transaction worth it. It's called Negotiating for a reason.
"because i'm crazy"...we already worked that out 60 seconds in dude...
THIS VIDEO DID NOT AGE WELL. That collections worth so much more
Like half a million
That means it did age well lol
In that sense...absolutely. Poor girl tho
oh man those cards are worth a lot higher today... now that's an investment!
100k today easily.. what a crazy world we live in
Taco bell has raised their prices recently jesus
YUI!!!
And this is how BITCOIN started folks!
He says "which is what I would do anyway" talking about cracking them to sell them ungraded literally followed by "I would never crack them out" in the same sentance.....
Holy shit. He made like 5k on that deal already from just a rares and that 9.5
He just hustled her soo bad lol 😂
Man in the 90s I could have gotten one of these for 250 bucks. I could be doing well.
I say the same thing about apple stock
That's exactly what makes them so rare and desirable to collectors - in the 90s, there was no way for anyone to really know that MTG would be as popular as it is now, especially with so many new card games back then becoming popular. That's why "good condition" cards are worth so much more
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Whatching this early 2021. Guess your lucky getting an alpha black lotus for 21k now a days.
Looks like I need to start collecting things.
I miss my alpha and beta black lotus. I lost them in a flood 12 years ago. I had 2 of each. With today's prices everything I lost was roughly 200,000 I had a full unlimited set as well. People please learn from my mistake and insure your cards, there is no telling when disaster will strike.
I started playing/collecting in alpha and had multiples to playsets of just about everything. My mom was afraid I was worshiping the devil and threw them all away... I cringe when I think of the money i could have...
@@jasonkral605 YEEZUS, that makes me actually sick to my stomach...
I started in sept 93 Alpha. Noone wanted Lotus/Moxen back then. It was all creatures. I had so many power cards by 1996 it was sick. They got hot starting in 1995, but I held on to them. Sadly sold the remaining cards after 911 (2001) I had over 500 money cards from Alpha-Masques now probably worth $2 million :(
I’m so sorry to hear that. Just horrible. So sorry.
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Several of those bulk cards are in my current decks. I loved seeing that stasis pop up.
haha I was waiting for someone to quickly grab the cash and run away
Dan comes clutch. 25Gs to 21Gs, 16% off damnson
Tarp Durr if she really wanted 25k she would've started at 30, basic business negotiations starting higher
Tarp Durr He actually saved him self at least another 10Grand buying these at 21K lol. Prob more.
who cares how much he spent on them. The amount of people who would really pay a large amount of money for these cards is probably .00000000025 of the population. Theres maybe 500 people in the whole world who would actually be spending that much money on it.
500 people huh? Where do you get your stats? Crackjack? Chinese fortune cookies? These cards will sell easily. How do you think he made the 21k cash to buy them? Selling bottle openers?
no, going through recycle bins for cans and glass bottles :D
"as a woman collector, how that works?" lmfao
Code Provider exactly
did you hear what she said after the question, nerdo? dudes lowball girls in mtg/gaming trade all the time.
i am a retired magic player quit a few years ago but once in a while i help my friends get ready for grand Prix events by building with there cards but seeing this video made me fall back in love with the game again as the player base is a lot better then yugioh is
That's just false, yugioh is way less toxic
I can get the paper much cheaper at staples. Then I can write in the game rules with a sharpy. I can even put it in a case with the number 10 on it for you.