Tecnam's P2010TDI Sun 'n Fun Debuts
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- čas přidán 6. 04. 2022
- Thus far, Diamond is the only manufacturer to take Jet-A fueled aircraft diesels seriously, but Tecnam has also entered the fray with the new P2010 TDI with a Continental CD170 engine. It has appeared in the U.S. at AirVenture, but this year it also popped up at Sun 'n Fun. AVweb interviewed Dave Copeland to find out more about it.
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Stunning, beautiful interior, really love what Tecnam are doing.
Diesel is the future of flying
not electric
I was doing the math on the TBR vs TBO and it seemed like a non-starter but I see Continental has a core exchange program that’s not horribly priced. Somewhat more interesting now.
The reason it’s called a TBR is because they don’t have overhauled engines available yet till they get timed out cores.
@@willjohnson3907 It's called a TBR because you're replacing, not overhauling. It doesn't matter whether you're replacing it with an overhauled engine or new, if you're not overhauling the engine that's coming out of the airplane it's a replacement.
That is a very nice, clean looking plane. Love the idea of computer controlled mixture (and prop pitch?) for a plane.
Airliners have had FADEC for like 50 years. I don't know why GA doesn't do it
@@dcviper985 because there is no money in GA, so no reason to update tech on lower end aircraft.
Have a look at most "affordable" GA aircraft. Not a think has changed in 40 years. It's about reliability, not innovation. The innovation is in the Jet market.
For anyone wondering about that pretty yellow multi behind the plane, november 342us, its a Tecnam p2006t
Oh how I'd love this in a tail wheel conversion. Tecnam really is getting a solid foothold and reputation in the piston market. Everyone else is stagnant
Tail wheels, Turbines and Twins = Prohibitive Insurance Prices (if one can even buy the coverage!). Subscribe to Aviation Consumer Magazine and have them send you the April 2022 issue containing Insurance and PLB (Personal Locator Beacon/Broadcast) article.
I fly Tecnams since the early models! Awesome little bird! Thanks for the coverage!
The market for this is really outside the US where Avgas is scarce and expensive. JetA is everywhere, so I see the TDi being more attractive to the European and SE Asian markets. $560K is about the same as you’ll pay for a similarly equipped C-172 brand new, and less than a C-182. I know companies that are ordering these to use in Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines, so it will sell well.
Those Cessna's have not changed in 70 odd years. They just sprinkled a bit of pixy dust on the dash and that's it. Tecnam aircraft are completely new, fresh, innovative and efficient. Its like comparing outdated Boeing 737s and Airbus A321 aircraft. Airbus are modern, sleek, efficiant and SAFE. There is a vast modern and innovative world out there beyond USA borders.
Regards from South Africa
Very Nice!
Textron puts USB ports and alcantara upholstery in the Cessna 182. Tecnam brings us this.
Cessna seems to be in this mindset of re-packaging ageing designs. A few interior changes here and there and they pretend it's an all new aircraft. Owner pilots are too clever to fall for this; they see what Cessna's competitors offer and they like the forward thinking of those manufacturers. I know the Tecnam 2010 is not a recent clean sheet design, but the model has evolved considerably in a relatively short period of time and offers so much more with each iteration of the plane than Cessna could ever dream of with their range of ageing designs. Look at the Gen2 versions of the CJ 4 and M2. Just a few interior changes and they expect the world to go ape with excitement. Tecnam, you get my vote!!
What a gorgeous, well appointed aircraft! But, and yes I'm a grumpy old guy, I was impressed *despite* the sales guy's spiel. I mean, how can you make claims to innovation while thanking us for "tuning in?" As someone who remembers the need for tuning to receive communication, both radio and television, along with the accompanying desire to *stay tuned,* I fully appreciate the fact that all I had to do to watch this video was apply a single mouse click 😉
Can you run it on HVO?
How much is the fly away price, please?
#46👍Looks like a Cessna Cardinal fixed gear sort of. Wing struts. 4doors excluded. This is 500k?
Word salad warning.
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@@absthewonderdog which is why I like Paul so much!
Wow you weren’t kidding
I hope they bring one with the oleo strut instead of the elastomer nose gear.
What the heck is that guy hammering on???
I really hate sales pitches like this. It is great, so much better than anything else, better performance, better on emissions, better on fuel economy.....blah blah blah and other than saying it burns about 10 gallons and hour he basically gave ZERO information.
Great little plane! Tecnam is a well respected manufacturer, but sales talk is just that, "talk". I think I'd contact a few customers after a period of ownership of this model to hear what they had to say instead of listening to the sales guy. Of course the sales rep is going to tell us how great it is, but the everyday pilot who happens to own one and pay the bills won't sugarcoat anything. That said, I'm curious to see this plane at Oshkosh this year... A plane almost always looks better in person than on video, so this should be a very good experience.
The engine has a TBR of 1200 hours... Let's hope Continental can improve that significantly.
How does that compare with the Austro TDI engine?
@@Parker53151 Austro's fact sheet for both the AE300 and AE330 show a TBO of 1800 hours. That is an additional 50%
@@jacoblandauer9974 TBO or TBR?
@@Parker53151 overhaul. That's another thing Austro boasts, overhaul instead of replace.
Haven’t seen anything about air conditioning in the P2010. Is it an option? Wouldn’t consider a plane without a/c. Also a BRS would be a nice touch. Those 2 options with on this plane coming under $600k would be a no brainer for me.
not sure this guy knows what economies of scale means
Some number wouldve been nice. Cruise speed, fuel consumption, price, TBR, payload etc, etc.
Our Club DA-40 TDI 155 cruises with a little over 5.2 gallons with 120true all the time. So I believe 5 gallons for the Technam seems possible.
But then… aerodynamically the Tecnam might be worse than the 40. So maybe 6 gallons…
@@73erKadett Just looked up some info on the Tecnam website, they claim 5,2 gal/hr and 140 KTS cruise but dont specify the power setting for each of those. Useful Load 380kg, range an impressive 961nm. Only downsides i can see are the takeoff distance (2211 ft/674m) and the 1200 hr TBR on the engine. But overall it sounds pretty good and i dont get why the sales rep doesnt bring these numbers up in this video.
@@Dudeisthere 2200 feet for a standard conditions sea level takeoff? that's really bad (a cessna 182 will do it in 1500 feet, an RV10 will do it in less than 1000)
Unfortunately the government and oil companies compensate for the turbodiesel’s thrift at the cash register.
My sole interest is what it can do and how much it costs.
'economies of scale' is not interesting at all.
It would have been nice to have some information about the airplane. 5 minutes of words with no info whatsoever.
550-560 k? Did he say that for this airplane? Who in their right mind would spend that much on something like this. How much is this airplane?
On this note. People are talking about pilot shortage and trying to get the youth interested in aviation, how can we when no middle class person can afford an airplane. We have to rent for the rest of our lives or buy used from the rich and hope it’s in good condition. This is nuts. Inflation, liability, fuel cost, insurance and the list goes on. Aviation is for the rich. Can there every be a Cessna 172 type airplane (4-seat, 120-135 knots) that an average Joe/sue can buy without becoming an airplane engineer/builder or in-debt for the rest of their life and beyond.
I’m working on becoming a doctor so I can afford an airplane. But I’m in-debt for the rest of my life for that and I’ll need to pay off my mortgage. So I’ll be 200 years old before I’ll have enough money to buy a low end new airplane. Great. Wonderful. Love aviation. Just keep going to airshows pay $40 get in and $10 for parking to watch the wealthy fly airplanes I’ll never have or give them $155-$10,000 (and higher ) an hour to sit in or maybe fly their airplane. Love it.
how about LSA/UL? prices for new planes go 50k upwards. they might be limited with only 2 seats and lower performance, but the pricing is far more reasonable
Its monumentally frustrating. The aviation industry is one of the safest industries in the world and as a result no one can afford to get into it.
good for short and skinny pilots
4 Seat Airplane Diesel weighs 6.6 lbs per gallon X 63= 415,8 lbs full fuel weight. Useful load is 838 lbs. So 422 lbs total for passengers and baggage. Is this correct ?
A bit disappointing. A lot of general bullet points and marketing topics. Learned nothing about the airplane.
Marketing jargoning
He keeps saying "economies of scale"...
that means is so expensive only a few can afford them.
@@NotTelling51 4-5x too expensive for my taste
@@NotTelling51 🤣 what's $400K+ among friends.
Cool plane, but $400,000 is a hard pill to swallow especially with a 1200Hr TBO.
TBR actually ....
The 170hp version was certified less than 2 years ago. 155hp CD-155 is already at 2100 hours TBR. CD-170 TBR is going to go up as well.
"It's based on the 500 series engine." Uh, don't think so, really?
too bad they couldn't do a full-cantilever wing
Decent looking plane, certainly more sporty and modern looking than my pet peeve Cessna 172 :) but that's not a high bar either. The high wing with struts is still a little colonial but could be overlooked. Nice doors and interior. Pretty much car config which is a config I think has great untapped potential as a twin jet rather than the traditional minibus jet config.
He talks about fuel economy of 10 vs 15 but their website suggest 5.2 gph and cessna might claim 8. The relative advantage is there, just wonder about the numbers. As a result it has pretty good range. 1800km vs cessna 1200. If we compare to Cirrus SR22, it's 23% slower (cessna maybe 10% slower still) but adjusted for speed, it has a bit over double the fuel economy of the cirrus. No small margin. And not using lead fuel. That could sell some planes.
The empty weight is 820kg, bit over the cessna and that's less impressive. Can't help feel that has a lot of room for improvement. 800kg is 4 cast iron pianos. The TDI weighs a small piano so I'm wondering where they put the other 3.3 pianos. Is it lead lined? :)
If we take a 5meter 2 seater canoe which is an open structure yet stiff and can take a beating, that can be done for 20kg. If we figure 4 of those could make up a closed cabin plus change, that's say 100kg as a guide. So I have to believe that it's possible to ween off a couple of pianos so they go live somewhere else and that translates to smaller engine requirements or much higher speed.
not a fan of the very tall dash. one of the many things I don't like about prop planes. two small twin jets rear would clean up the design so much
I have flown this plane in france. The payload is super shitty. Not a real 4 seater at least it was with 180hp lycoming. And it had a super high pitch so you need 1000m runway. It was very confortable though but you cant use it 😆
You flew the gas version this is the TDI diesel
Having flown the P2010 with 180hp and constant speed prop, I have to disagree. WB-wise, it is a full-fuel 3-people aircraft; nothing more, nothing less. Take-off distance is indeed not amazing, but pretty similar to a c172sp (with which it competes in terms of price and power). However, compared to the C172SP, it does 10ktas more in cruise at a similar fuel flow
Not enough horsepower, this thing needs to be faster, cruising 145 150
Dude, just show the airplane and stop talking.
I hate sales talk. I want facts, not hype. As far as I can tell this product is a me too and is likely overpriced.
Interesting how he says “we” He and the American distributor did nothing .. Tecnam of Italy engineered the plane and Continental did the engine …. This dude is a typical bullshittting car salesman .. He’s not an engineer .. It’s a shame Tecnam is represented by him … He needs to use the word they not we
If I had $400,000.00 to buy an airplane the las thing on my mind would be fuel economy. It's the like a race car diver bitching about gas millage.
It is a nice looking airplane but, I'd rather upgrade an Type Certificated airplane.
Because you don't have $400K to buy a plane you assume people with $400K think differently: I'm suggesting they do not. I would say the same thought process exists no matter what aircraft you are purchasing. Fuel consumption is one of many items on the list to consider; depending on the owner's mission for the aircraft, fuel consumption is weighted differently, and that is why it is mentioned. Also, it is common knowledge, depending on the circuit, many race car drivers bitch about gas mileage.
Fuel efficiency isn't about price, it's about the airplane range. The amount of fuel and fuel burn determine the range of the aircraft so it is very important to an airplane owner.
I'm not sure if I know what you mean... It does have FAA Type Certificate for the Lycoming powered variants, and presumably they can add the diesel. I guess it's certified through the European CS 23 equivalency with the FAA, not directly through FAR 23; was this what you were kind of complaining about?
@@thewheelieguy I'm not complaining at all. I'm pointing out that there are better economic options for this category. Say a 4 place airplane. I had a sweet 1958 C172 / 180 HP and a few other STC'S that was about the same cost to operate for much less than $400,000.00. Also consider the insurance cost on a $400,000.00 airplane. I later moved up to a 337G forfar less than half a million. My advice is do you homework before getting caught up in all the sex appeal. I would avoid the diesel. Be safe everyone.
@@swiftadventurer Have you been looking in my bank account? 😆