Lyrics 101: The Nightmare Before Christmas (Part 2) - Brentalfloss
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- It’s Christmastime, and you know what that means! Time for part 2 of my critique and analysis of Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas!
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Bent: "Is oogie's song well crafted?
Well..."
NightmareBeforeChristmas fans: 🎵"Kidnap the BrentalFloss...🎵
Chuck him in a cell!
Make a fool out of him
And send him straight to Hell!
Next person write the next lyrics, keep the chain going
@@redman7775
Kidnap the BrentalFloss
Tie him to a tree
Tickle him for 90 years
Then we wait and see
@@eyyy773 *and see if he will pee
@@eyyy773 Kidnap the BrentalFloss
make him eat his words
feed him all his lyric sheets
then analyze his turds
I am ashamed of typing this, but I'm gonna hit that button.
Kidnap the Brentalfloss,
Tie him to a desk.
Make him write more "had lyrics" stuff,
Cos' that's something I've missed.
Santa clearly didn't have his hat when he was climbing that ladder. Everyone knows Santa needs his hat to travel up chimneys.
Now see, that would have been so great. He's like "IF I ONLY HAD MY HAT" and then Oogie like... eats it or something, lol
@@brentalfloss can’t give away secrets like that to your enemies
I will only defend one thing: why Oogie Boogie “saved” Santa multiple times, and it’s because he’s a cat playing with their food (at least mine do). It does seem like, when he’s in a more relaxed state, like when he thinks he’s got the upper hand and all (typical villain attitude); he knows/thinks he can get away with it, so why not gloat; why not have a bit of fun? After all, with the exception of... whatever the dr. Frankenstein guys name was (Finklestien, I think?)... all the characters from Halloween Town seem to enjoy being scary for fun, but Oogie seems to be a bit more... evil... about it (for plot, like you said).
people, remember, you can like something, while acknowledging its flaws.
its old but um:
"guilty pleasures, everybody has a few.
Guilty pleasures, you and me and even you"
Except that Nightmare Before Christmas is flawless
Yeah, I do that with this video, I like it, but it's based almost entirely on Brents flawed opinions.
Bony-firecracker was my nickname in high school.
Just wanted to say you're genuinely a huge part of my brother and I's childhood; glad you're still around lol
Oogie Boogie's 'I'm laughing' lyrics = 90% of comments on social media now. No Susan, you did not howl or scream, you barely smirked.
Also, in the original poem, Jack doesn't cheer up that quickly. Santa comes to the graveyard, (I guess he escaped offscreen), comforts crying Jack in an almost fatherly way, explaining that he understands his intentions, but it was still wrong to take someone else's holiday. Even after coming home, Jack is still ashamed and sad. He only cheers up after Santa brings Christmas to Halloween Town as a sign of forgiveness.
Nobody:
Jack: Ah, yes, a FRICKIN' GIANT SNAKE THAT DEVOURS EVERYTHING, the perfect present for the little kiddies.
The snake eating the Christmas tree was absolutely terrifying and screamingly cute all at the same time, but yeah, that kid is next
I'm sorry Brent, but I'm not gonna be able to ever hear you say "get it?" again without hearing/picturing that one megaman 3 end credits face. You know the one. It's in this vid after all, which I highly approve of.
Brental Floss: Makes a series of cogent points about the flaws of The Nightmare Before Christmas
Also Brental Floss: Relents somewhat about exploring all of the history behind the movie
Also Also Brental Floss: Admits what everyone is thinking, is that virtually everyone who saw the movie loved it and will continue to love it.
The recent Netflix documentary confirms they had no script, it was the last element to come in. They animated to Elfman's songs and then his girlfriend ended up writing connective scenes after the first guy they hired was too coked up to turn anything in.
That’s wild!
This was a very good pair of videos, and really made me reconsider this movie. What I've concluded is that TNBC is a powerful case study in just how much people will overlook if the premise is creative enough, and the visuals are compelling.
Watching your critique has brought back some memories about things I now actually remember thinking at the time, when I first watched this movie as a child. Big one is that the Trick or Treaters' song is just atrocious, it's pure filler and frankly outright unpleasant to listen to, in contrast to every other song, which at least has good music and melody. Oogie Boogie is also clearly a very incoherent villian. Even as a kid I remember not understanding the "gambling" premise of him at all. It needlessly complicates an otherwise very one-dimensional character (the James and the Giant Peach movie, which I would love to see you review as well, has this problem a lot, too).
But the big one is Sally. As a kid, I remember thinking that women characters in movies were just sometimes overly melodramatic and lovesick and prone to singing slow, boring, weepy songs, and that's why she was the way she was. But as an adult, I can now appreciate - as you said - that she's simply a poorly-written stock character.
Anyway, fantastic job on this video and I hope there are many more Lyrics 101 videos a-coming. This is one of the most intellectually stimulating series of videos I've seen in a long time!
Oh I see what you did there, one in October and the other in December aha br- and you explained it before I did.
I think the “pumpkin king” is a title like miss America is. You’re totally right that it if never explained. But personally I like to think he was voted in and became like the scary pageant dictator.
They made a prequel game for the GBA that apparently explained it.
I have a Jack Skelington themed layered armor loadout in mhw.
"Woooah! The sound of rolling dice to me, is music in the air! Cause im a gamblin' Boogie man although I dont pay fair!" is my all time favorite lyric in this movie, and im glad it wasnt revealed to me why it might not be very good. Yay.
Well, it at least rhymes "fair" with "air" and there's even internal rhyme with "dice to me" and "gamblin' Boogie"
I was a fan once. Then i made the mistake of putting the movie on in the background as i worked.
Turns out the animation is SO bleedingly powerful that the moment it is absent and you are only left with the rest: the glass shatters and you realize how it is rather bland if not downright bad in (key) parts. So it is neat to see it properly deconstructed by someone who lacks the rose-tinted glasses most have.
The movie is a visual masterpiece. Emphasis on Visual.
Never clicked so fast I enjoy these lyrics 101 I'm glad you brought it back
Where did you come back into my life?!? Dude it’s been years sense I seen you. Glad you’re still around.
I think the thing with the kids' plan to kidnap Santa would've worked if, after the song, there was a joke where one of them suggested that they could just walk up to Santa and snatch him, then the others just sort of agreed to it without much fanfare.
Yup!
The accent Brent gave was basically The Dude, so "that's just like..your opinion". Lmao
I think there's a pretty clear implication in the first scene that on halloween they go out to spook people. So it's not really a plot hole that he knows how to get there, imo. It works in fairy tale rules.
You can think that
I've really loved this pair of videos. Not only are they insightful, but Brent's passion for the craft really shines through.
The doors to different holiday towns are like a shortcut portal. Think of it as something similar to the magical giant pipe portals in the Super Mario Bros series.
I've been watching you for about 9 years now. When I hear most classic Nintendo tunes I often subconsciously sing your lyrics with them because they've been etched into my brain from watching your videos hundreds of times. Thank you man, please keep doing what you do
Of all the things I could be offended about, I'm most mad about the Cat in the Hat hate. God I love that movie
I would love to see this kind of dissection for other popular musicals, good or ill. It would be nice to see examples of what works and why in addition to what doesn't and why.
Oogie's shallow motives are explained in a verse that was cut for being too hard to animate.
"Well if I'm feeling antsy and there's nothing much to do. I might just cook a special batch of snake and spider stew.
and don't you know the one thing that would make it work so nice? A roly-poly Santa Claws to add a little spice!"
Interesting! Honestly I bet the plot would make a lot more sense if they added back stuff like that. Dunno if the lyrics would MATCH IT but that's another matter
“I like beans on my head... a BANGER though it was,” DAMN IT, Brent XD
Perhaps Santa was playing for time, waiting for Jack to stop being a jerk and come to save him? (Just getting a visual of Santa getting tired of waiting and zipping up through the pipe while his prospective murderer looks up with his cloth lips flapping, perhaps a bug or two falling out....)
As someone who didn't grow up with this movie it never quite clicked with me when I did watch it.
Thank you for illustrating exactly why that was.
Can we get reviews/comparisons for the Harry101UK's parodies of these songs? Aka Making Science, This is Aperture, the Wheatley Song? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on how those lyrics are and how they fit the melodies.
Really enjoyed this analysis and critique. I don't have any musical talent, but I am a writer, so there's much to take away from this.
As for the film, I *like* it, though it has never been one of my favorites, and I've never been able to put my finger on exactly why. Until now, I guess.
Thank you for putting into words why I have issues with this film. I, too, don’t care for near rhymes on every occasion, which leads to story falling short. Credit must also go to the VA’s, especially Ken Page as Oogie Boogie. They did a hell of a job making something memorable, albeit flawed.
I think the fact that so many people love these songs and know the lyrics by heart (like me) despite the flaws shows that it doesn't really matter if the details are wrong if you can enjoy the whole. Even something highly flawed can be loved. As a perfectionist and artist that's always a concept I've struggled with, so it's nice to realize that a movie I hold very dear isn't perfect but I love it despite that. Gives me hope that others will enjoy my work despite its flaws as well.
Though I'll say this, when listening through the soundtrack it always surprises me how late Sally's Song plays, despite having listened to it dozens of times. I always think it'll play after Jack's Obsession or Town Meeting Song, but nope.
The Plinkett reference was gold haha
There is a dramatic reading of Tim Burton's original poem on the DVD of this movie, and it's done by Christopher Lee of all people. And it is awesome.
I already knew I was going to like this video because I love me some Brent but I typically reserve my smashing of the like button. You had earned that smash when you explained your relationship with star trek
Halloween Town: Located within Halloween Land 💀 Christmas Town: Located within Christmas Land 🎄
13:27
I'm really enjoying this Nightmare Before Christmas dissection, it's nice to get different opinions from people who can analyze it from a more professional standpoint.
Now, the movie did already establish Oogie Boogie's character through the 'kidnap mr. sandy claws' song. Not a big backstory, but honestly if Oogie Boogie wasn't even in the movie, it could still function as a good movie centering entirely around Jack; there didn't really need to be an antagonist too.
"Mr. Oogie Boogie is the meanest guy around. If I were on his boogie list i'd get out of town"
Yeah, but I still want to know what his Boogie List is (it would be so cool if he were the anti-Santa with an evil “naughty/nice” list
NEED MORE OF THESE VIDEOS! I LOVE YOUR ANALYSIS OF WORDS N SHIT. HELL YES.
Your argument on most songs rhyming actually reminded me of when I studied medieval literature: most epic poetry was transmitted *orally* before it was written down, so these epic poems of 1000+ verses were memorized, and there are allllll sorts of rhyming conventions to make that easier/possible. Maybe related to why good rhymes contribute to tune catchiness?
Just a little fun fact you might find interesting.
Also, your Trek headcanon is pretty much my Trek headcanon.
That is interesting! I've always wondered about the process of translating rhyming verse from one language into another. That's when you really hear the translator bending over backwards with detour details just to get it to rhyme. And, not having tried to do that, I can't say that I blame them. Definitely the 4D chess of rhyming verse.
@@brentalfloss Yeah, the literature I studied didn't often get translated, but just flat-out completely re-written in a new language: they kept the main plot points, but changed whatever details they felt were necessary, so originally rhyme scheme didn't matter as much. Most of the translated rhyming verse i've seen later has done largely the same thing-kept the "feel" or the main "points" of the story/poem/song or what have you, but freely interpreted it so they could have a good rhyme scheme/meter.
to a guy in kentucky/im mr unlucky was probably the weirdest lyric to me growing up 🤔 i was also 100% a kid who memorized all the lyrics though, so i may be a lil biased lmao
this shit is very interesting though and im excited to watch more after only listening to trends and question box!!!!!!
Yeah growing up I always imagined it was some sort of local folk lore like Moth Man or the Jersey Devil, I figured one day I'd learn about a skeleton called Mr. Unlucky that haunted some Kentucky gambler.
Yaaass!! 😍 Best time to put the 2nd part, actually. Christmas tiiiime, haha XD
I think the the trick or treaters bring up all those interesting ways to kidnap Santa is just because kids are like that. They imagine all these crazy things (even if elaborate) but reality always sets and and the kids imaginations get grounded; it's a lot of effort to do the other things and kids attentions are short so, screw it just bag the guy.
Or it's just the joke of "you didn't expect it to be so simple Hugh?". Like a bug with an Giants shadow cliche ^^ it's fun
But I'm biased .... That's my fav song....
The video game sequel to Nightmare before christmas said the title of Pumpkin King was a nickname. No one should need any clarification on that. It's obvious.
I thought we were meant to feel uneasy about boogies boys because of the whole song around them, as a kid I certainly felt different about them as though they were worse than the boogie man, like they were messing things up or going to, on a false notion that it’s what the boss wants, which really resonated with how my life went in my childhood and early teens
Beautiful work, BrentalFloss! I enjoyed the video!
As one of the people who asked about songs needing to rhyme: Fair response, and good point Brent.
I suspect you have read very few romances in which the romance is a thread running through the adventure/mystery/comedy instead of being the main focus. Sally and Jack's behavior follows the pattern of such stories well enough, especially the love interest realizing that s/he had something special in the other person that had been previously overlooked. Alas, TNBC doesn't include a wise aunt or grandmother who notices what's going on and drops a hint for the dense reader.
You got me a birthday video! Thanks, Brent!
I love the movie and the soundrack. I listen to it all year round. But the music definitly carries the lyrics and the visuals carry the movie.
Ooo, he doesn’t think songs need to rhyme. Time to bring in “Scenes from a Night’s Dream”, which is a song about the Little Nemo comics.
Honestly, if we could, maybe we could try and rework this Movie into something more unique. Something with proper Depth and Concepts fleshed out properly. The Music would be reworked with Lyrics which compliment the Characters and their Purposes. An Idea for the Plot is Jack could be the Mayor of Halloween Town, as you've discussed, and could still long for something new. But when he discovers Christmas Town, he could start abandoning his Mayorly Duties, sneaking out of Halloween Town to learn more about the Christmas Season. As he finds out more about the Traditions of Christmas, he grows more Attracted to the Concept, soon wanting to do the Holiday himself as soon as he comes across Mr. Claus. Meanwhile, Sally finds out Jack has been up to something strange, and so she tries to figure out what exactly it is he's been up to. About a Month before Christmas, Jack gets the Halloween Townsfolk to help him take over Christmas this Year, and on Christmas Eve, Jack is preparing for his Night Out. He comes across some of his Old Halloween Items, like his Suit and his Scarecrow Costume. This gets him to remember how much Fun he used to have on Halloween, and he begins to miss it. But he's already come so far, and he doesn't want to lose this New Opportunity so soon.
"decent excuse for why its so late???"
Nah, all completely as part of your grand plan that was always around. Definitely not late, right on time.
23:50 Love the RLM reference!
I don't want to just turn this into a cycle of back-patting (CZcams has enough of that), but WOW, I'm so grateful you made these videos. For my whole life, I've been trying to express to my friends who adore Nightmare about my reservations with it-- but it's been hard to dissect, mainly because I think the whole movie is built up of lyrical and contextual non-sequiturs. So after watching it, it feels like it kind of guards itself from scrutiny simply by feeling dream-like, and therefore, impervious to criticism. The fact is that people who deeply love this movie have built a tremendous library of headcanons that the movie does not give them upfront. They imagine a well-written romance for Jack & Sally because the movie TELLS us they're meant to be-- not SHOWS. And in that way, I rather admire everyone's imagination-- because when they watch this, they perceive a better movie. It shows us the potency of the visuals & the music completely trumped any of the actual writing-- causing this passionate group of fans to basically establish a foundation of lore that didn't get even partway explained on film.
Really, I think this film would change very little if there were NO lyrics at all. If everyone just sang "la la la" over the beautiful, perfect, haunting melodies, you'd get about the same effect. Like... let's be clear: The lyrics in this film are almost impossible to remember or sing along with. They are not memorable-- what's MEMORABLE is the tune. The music is operatic in nature-- it makes me wonder how this would play out in, say, an actual Italian sung-through opera-- or if it were simply a stage ballet without any dialogue or lyrics at all. Just the music, and some great staging, costuming & choreography that play out the best points of the story. I think it'd be pretty powerful, honestly, and would help facilitate the story in ways that the movie never managed. Once again, hugely useful lyric masterclass-- this and the Limericks video have been super-duper enlightening.
As a final note: Have you watched Corpse Bride? I think it's much better-written, script-wise and lyrics-wise. While there's a couple slant rhymes, it all feels much more cohesive.
Thanks for the nice words! I haven’t seen Corpse Bride yet.
I’m not mad at you for criticizing my childhood favourite movie, I’m mad at you for getting the flipping songs stuck in my head 3 days later!! (Kidnap the sandy clause)
I loved the Plinkett reference when you brought up the Phantom Menace!
Writer, here. There really is usually no problem with coming up with different names for your fantasy creations, so long as it is clear from context that they all refer to the same thing. Think Superman, the Man of Steel, the Man of Tomorrow, the Last Son of Krypton; Gandalf, Mithrandir, Olorin; Minas Tirith, the White City. Even New York, NYC, the Big Apple, the City That Never Sleeps. Given that we're introduced to the different places as X-town, and see those names above the town gates, I think we're supposed to accept those as the official names, and the rest as nicknames. Though the idea of Pumpkintown being a district of Halloweentown, capital of Halloweenland, is kind of appealing.
I agree with most of your criticisms, and certainly can't touch any of your critiques of the songwriting or general scripting. Love the movie, but it calls on the viewer to fill in some large blanks mentally, and Oogie Boogie's song is just filler.
My favorite lyric is actually the very opening, where it rhymes "age" with "strange." I felt like that particular one really sets up the idea of the movie being offbeat and breaking the mold. It only sort of delivers on that promise, but I still like it. My least favorite is ... well, probably either "Sandy Claws, eh? Ooh, I'm real scared" or "You're joking, you're joking." Both of those make me cringe, because they aren't just bad lyrics, they're badly written sentences that just throw some clumsy stock phrases at us and make Oogie Boogie sound like a teenager.
Lmao the surfer dude fan. I don't know why I loved that segment so much... But I did.
I like when films don't explain themselves to me.
Not gonna lie, despite the constant disagreements from various people and whatnot. I found these two videos to be entertaining and quite informative and I'm glad part 2 has finally dropped.
I look forward to seeing you examine and analyze another video or two. (hopefully).
I personally recommend you check out Corpse Bride and it's lyrics, they set up a far better rhyming scheme with their songs. I... think. I may need to recheck it.
I was wondering why he didn't post the 2nd part before. Now I know why. Floss, you clever bastard.
great vid! I really enjoy hearing about your views on this kind of topic.
Boy, I wish my ex-girlfriend could see this. She loooved this movie. Can't believe I didn't see all of these glaring flaws when I watched this with her. Great video, btw, Brent! Love the lyrics 101 stuff you've been doing!
Man, you should be a teacher, Brent! 😃
I've learned more through your videos than my classes this semester. 😅
Knowing that Tim Burton's poem didn't have Sally nor Oogie Boogie blew my mind, 'cause it actually made more sense of the movie's confusing outcome. 🤔 I never got to see it through the eyes of a child, so by the end of the movie I was left with more questions than answers as well. 😆
"Because it's 1993 and they're 7 year olds who will one day grow up to be scene kids"
I feel personally attacked :P
That was fun! I really liked watching this.
If the rules of fantasy worlds concern you, I can't recommend any author higher than Brandon Sanderson. His worlds have deep mystery, but are so consistent and follow very specific rules, aside from the fact that he puts out books that truly delve into the mental and social difficulties of his characters
It bothers me that they just...removed Oogie's backstory! He used to have his own holiday and he's really damn bitter, because he's now a regular citizen of Halloween instead of ruling his own realm. Now we don't even know how and why people celebrated 'Bug Day' and it pisses me off.
Longtime subscriber, first time commenter. I have to say, I really like these critique videos, even more than the game-with-lyrics videos (which are already very clever and satisfying).
I agree completely with everything you mentioned about TNBC. I've always found the writing atrocious, and yet, I can also appreciate the agonizing difficulty in writing good lyrics. Like Salieri vis-a-vis Mozart, I'm just good enough to know how mediocre I am. I've written hundreds of great melodies that languish forever for want of a rhyme, and I'm endlessly dissatisfied with the songs I have published because the lyrics are lacking. It's cathartic to know that Danny Elfman is similarly uneven in his abilities.
By the way, the problem with "And does he notice / My feelings for him" isn't merely the lack of parallel phrasing, it's the prosody-- awkwardly emphasizing the word "for". This segues into something you might use in your upcoming Animaniacs video. In the extended Pinky and the Brain theme, there is the line:
"Before each night is done
Their plan will be unfurled
By the dawning of the sun
They'll take over the world"
The lyrics are decent (if ungrammatical), but the execution is cringeworthy:
"They'll TAKE o***VER*** the WORLD" is bad prosody; the emphasis is on the wrong syllable.
At first, I thought the solution was as easy as changing the words around:
"They'll DOMin-ATE the WORLD". But then I had an even better idea: keep the lyrics the same but use hemiola. The "O" of "over" would still sit on beat 3 of 6, but would be two beats long and accented, while "ver the" would get just one beat each. Hemiola would not merely resolve the prosody issue, but also add musical interest to the most critical line of the song by disrupting the repetitive rhythmic cadence. It seems so good that it makes me sad every time I don't hear it. The good news is that the trick generalizes very well, offering new lyrical possibilities where they wouldn't otherwise fit. I've always wanted to make a video about this, but it would fit better on your channel, if you're so inclined.
I'm excited to see what you come up with for Animaniacs! As far as I'm concerned, that show had some of the greatest music and lyrics around.
Yeah, you're right about the way "feelings for him" scans. There came a point writing the script for this video where I realized that if I was also gonna do a Channel Awesome-style analysis of the entire plot, I could really only pick a few things to point out in each song unless I wanted it to become a 4 hour video, haha. But suffice it to say I could have sat there and just graded each song's lyrical flaws like a teacher with a stack of quizzes and the grades would not have been pretty.
“Golden machine” is what they call it. Cute.
2:29 HAHAHA yeah same though. An alternate universe where "nope".
Regarding Rhyme:
I think the fact is, if your song is clearly written to rhyme, and you're lazy about the way it rhymes, that shows.
If you write a song that isn't intended to rhyme, it shouldn't sound as if it ought to rhyme.
Most has now been redefined to be used exclusively in reference to Brentalfloss.
Jack is supposed to be too busy managing Christmas preparations to Kidnap Santa Claus, he's supposed to be delegating tasks.
Oh my fucking god if one more fucking person says fucking "stans" without fucking defining it I am going to crawl through my screen grab them by their fucking skull and scream into their damned souls until their fucking heart explodes!
He's not laughing because he's not laughing, he's mocking Santa, you've never heard someone sarcastically say "ow my sides, oh ha ha" or the like before?
There's a deleted scene where Jack scolds the kids and I think they let him in, best I can tell the shute santa came in closed behind him while the pipe he exits through is open, this could imply, based on his nose holding motion, that he is only able to fly out chimney like structures, of which nine were open until Jack arrived.
I didnt really get to grow up watching this so watching you review its lyrics was my first experience basically. Thank you for going gentle on it
Feels like it would've been easy to establish at the start that Jack can travel between our world and Halloweentown by having him gesture to graves labelled Kentucky, England and France in that song. Loved the analysis on these though! Hope you're gonna put more musical through the lyrical wringer!
I like how looking at the Source material invalidates headcanons proposed before...
It's not late. The video is always on time
The 7 year old to scene kid thing was kinda funny.
If he gets steamed over this, how does he view Miser Brothers Christmas?
How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man?!
Maybe Jack gets from world to world Kingdom Hearts style.
4:34 I still consider that one of the most amazing rhymes I've heard from you: "Recommended" for with "a candy bar"
13:46 "Well, well, well... who enters my lair? Sandy Claws, huh? Oooh, I'm really scared!"? By the way, it's odd how they gave Oogie a more fleshed-out, um... background? Or at least a motivation, in the video game. Something about him wanting to have a Bug holiday.
“Recommended” was not intended to rhyme with “candy bar,” not every line needs to have an internal rhyme and an end rhyme 😜but tysm.
The kids bringing the Mayor is unfortunately a callback to a deleted shot. Jack nudges past them to get to Sally and Santa.
Huh I always kinda thought Oogie talking about how he's laughing was a sarcasm thing. Basically the idea that he thinks it's intended to be funny, but he frankly just finds it pathetic.
Now I'm craving The Nightmare Before Christman Soundtrack 😄 Thanks for the indepth analysis, I don't agree on some points but appreciate your thoughts on this. Or maybe I'll just listen to Megaman 2 with Lyrics now 🤣 because of reasons.
Saying that....is there any possibility that you'll someday do a lyrics video on Mega Man X? 😯
So according to some of the people who worked on the movie, part of the reason the narrative is so choppy and unrefined is that Danny Elf man was literally having so much fun writing songs that the writer had to do back flips in order to incorporate all of them, which is a big part of the reason why the world building isn't fully explored and why Sally and Oogie Boogie weren't fully fleshed out, because they were literally thrown in to pad the runtime and to have a character to sing some of Elfman's presumably cocaine induced extra songs.
Thumbs up for the Eddie Izzard reference... and all the great writing tips and comedic timing and all that, I guess.
This question is only tangentially related, due to the Christmas season, but in the classic Christmas song "God Rest You Merry Gentlemen" there is a verse that goes as follows:
"The shepherds at those tidings
Rejoiced much in mind,
And left their flocks a-feeding
In tempest, storm and wind,
And went to Bethlehem straightway,
this blessed babe to find."
Obviously, the word "wind" doesn't rhyme with "mind" or "find." However, due to these lyrics, from my understanding, being multiple hundreds of years old, in the time it was written, "wind" would have been pronounced the same way as "mind" and "find." Nowadays, though, people read "wind" with the modern pronunciation despite it not rhyming. So, the question is, would reading words in a song, in this case the word "wind" in this verse, with an incorrect pronunciation be acceptable if it matched up with how those words would be pronounced when the song was written? Following up on that, which is the more correct way of reading it, the pronunciation by today's English that doesn't rhyme, or the pronunciation by 16th century England's English that does rhyme?
I believe those are called “paper rhymes.” In some cases they once rhymed and in other cases I think at one time, at least in poetry, it was fashionable to have words that seemed like they should rhyme. In any case I think they’re well outside the realm of what we would consider normal nowadays. But there are exceptions, like “again” being rhymed with “-ain” as in rain.”
The ways oogie boogie described himself laughing and makes jokes and puns about him laughing till he's dead were always fun and funny to me. I think in kids movie logic my head though jack was gonna joke battle him tho
Brent is part 1: Don't attack me for talking about Nightmare.
Brent in part 2: Stuff after Voyager is bad too.
NBC fans: *join together with Star Trek fans*
Me: *popping popcorn* Hold on! Not yet!
And as one, the fandom rose and said "yeah, I get that".
After god knows how many years, we finally got a conclusion to the "Where did you get your Megaman T-shirt" arc
7:52 I'm a Californian and use "dude" and "man" all the time so really that's not far off lol.
You should look at the lyrics for Oogie's Revenge. That's a field day right there.
You've come so far brent
i've been waiting so long for this, but why do you upload it right when the Game Awards start AAAA
Brent i hate and love you at the same time, please know that
Nice!
2:35 OMG, I'm Dying!
Finally...I get to hear Brent talk about my favorite song.
...well, at least he said it was good. Even if Oogie Boogie’s song is me holding onto the music and is as Travis Touchdown said...”Catchy as hell.”