When will Newcastle actually win the Premier League?
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When Will Newcastle Win The Premier League?
Newcastle United surged into the world of Champions League football after an exhilarating second season under Eddie Howe. After strengthening the squad by bringing in young, key signings including Sandro Tonali and Harvey Barnes, Newcastle seemed ready to reach new heights at the start of this season.
But, the Toon find themselves languishing in midtable alongside Chelsea and Wolves. Results aren’t turning in their favour and injuries continue to plague their squad.
What can Newcastle do to turn their fortunes?
Chris Hamill, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie are joined by Jacob Whitehead, The Athletic’s Newcastle reporter, to figure out when Newcastle will be able to win the Premier League.
This is The Athletic’s Week in Football.
#newcastle #premierleague #newcastleunited
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00:00 Intro
00:50 How are Newcastle fans feeling?
03:45 Profit and Sustainability Rules
05:41 Expected Points Table
09:40 Squad Building vs Man City
21:02 Tactical Evolution vs Liverpool
30:11 Why isn’t it working now?
31:13 Injuries
34:30 How can Newcastle evolve?
39:05 What should Newcastle do now?
42:57 Concluding Questions
47:10 When will Newcastle win the Premier League?
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Do not fear. The physio has cleared Joe Devine for a return next week. But what a pleasure it was to come to you in non-short form! 🤝
[Chris]
Whose to say we will?
If it's the NUFC medical team I expect Joe to immediately collapse due to aggravating the injury and then be sidelined for another 6 months
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This is the spiritual successor to the Tifo Football Podcast.
Podcast has been gentrified
Bring your flat whites.
Glad to see the Hamster, that dirty dog, heading up a panel like this. I like Joe's energy when he's not too over the top, but Hamill's a great pivot for this team.
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Best piece of Newcastle content this year lads, massively appreciated.
Thanks for watching!
A average of 11 players out through injury each game (so far this season) is a little more than a bit unlucky. There was multiple games in a row were Newcastles bench had a couple of kids (one was 15 years old), two goalkeepers, a old age pensioner, and a player Howe refused to use for some strange reason. Take that many players out of even liverpool or Arsenals squad for large periods and they would also struggle massively, and those teams have a way better squad than we could ever dream of. Some of our bad form is on Eddie Howe, but the majority stems from the worst injury crisis ive ever seen in the premier league ever.
The football gods making them pay for selling their souls
@@maxine2798bore off.
@maxine2798 the football gods don't exisist if the big 6 get away with wants the European super league with no consequences.
If other fans cry about Newcastle selling their sould, they must be doing something right....
Not even close to man united’s injuries, and nobody cares about those.
Chris appearing on Tifo is what I had hoped for since his Football Daily days!
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Why? Sorry but FD and EFD are the Huffington Post of football coverage.
And that’s not a compliment
I came here to say this! 👏🏽
@@JamailvanWesteringpretty much all of the presenters have gone on to bigger and better I don’t think they where supported or permitted to make larger scale content as they tried a few time especially before sky took over
@@sebfernandes7708 yeah no some of them have gone independent.
And you clearly can see why i called them the Huffington Post of Football News. (Because they not good at it, even independent)
Most of those people only got the job because of how popular FD and EFD were, never mind the quality of the content itself
I used to be buzzing when we’d sign Marlon Harewood and would finish 12th. The fact we’ve had a brutal run of injuries, more games than Eddie and the team are used to but we’re still in with a shout of Europe is amazing.
I’ll be happy if we win the league once in my lifetime.
It shows how bad the league is imo we should have been dragged near the bottom but the PL is full of useless inconsistent teams
As a big FD fan, really nice to see Hamill still smashing it at the Athletic. Fully deserved
Thanks my dude 🫡
This season will be remembered as ‘the season with injuries’ - simple as.
The injuries need to be addressed as it an effect that become compounded ie each new injury creates more stress on the existing players. Also, fifty per cent of the starters against city were pre take over players.
I actually like it like this. Coaches should learn player management. You can play a certain style to last longer or a certain style get good results but not sustainable.
@innocento.1552 what you fail to take into account is that players are human, coaches are human, and you cannot retain the same quality by simply 'using more of the squad'. They can increase squad size limits to allow the more effective rotation of squads, or reduce the number of games (70 a season is not easy, I highly doubt anyone in these comments can run that 10-12km every 3rd day).
Also that suggestion is silly, why would you play a style not to get results.. never seen a manager who doesn't want to win.
Everything you said applies moreso to man United, and people couldn’t care less about that when they get the daggers out.
"So Jonty Mackenzie, what are Newcastle United's tactics?"
Proceeds to talk about Liverpool for 10 minutes
Lmao
Jacob whitehead really understood NUFC in his time covering us in his time as an outsider. Just kinda ‘got it’
Aye, I miss wor Jacob. Seems like a lovely lad and covered us really well. Hope he’s in tears tonight.
no devine no party
He’ll be back next week! 🤝
[Chris]
Injuries are always mentioned in these things, but I can't emphasise enough just how much they've ruined us this season. In my 35 years supporting the club I've never known a season come anywhere near to how bad and strange it's been this season. It's tempting to say 'well injuries aside...' but injuries have pretty much defined our season. Aside from muscle injuries we've had 2 shoulder dislocations, 3 ACLs, 2 broken backs (!), a broken toe, 3 hamstrings, 3 groins, 2 achillies, a torn pec and all of them have been months out rather than weeks and it's still happening now, it's never stopped. Oh yeah, and a 10 month gambling ban.
Gordon, Bruno, and Schar are the only players who've not been out for more than a couple of weeks.
We've had some great matches, PSG, Man United, Chelsea, Sunderland and a few others, but most Newcastle fans I know wanted the season to end by Christmas, it's been really hard.
20:14 is why we're here, please don't hesitate to let more of the chat back in !
Got so disappointed when they started about football again
not a Newcastle fan, but found this video very informative. I enjoyed how it went into detail from squad building to tactics.
Thanks for tuning in 👍🏻
I can’t get used to these thumbnails. I’d always look out for these, but they just look like any other athletic pod video
OOOOOO WHAT A TREAT a little bit of Chris Hamill. Had always hoped he’d transition into a regular onscreen role. Hope this is the start of something
Tifo and Sunday vibes making a late crossover and I'm so here for it
I ❤ JJ’s rants. There should definitely be a JJ shortform content of just his rants. 😆
loved chris on here today!!! great content as usual guys!
These videos are absolutely brilliant content, thanks guys. Watched all of your team run-downs and would happily watch analysis of every team in the league.
Welcome Chris!
This was gooood
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So good to see you Chris ❤
Thanks my dude.
This channel is settling in really well to the post TIFO era, really miss it but this is a worthy successor
Chris and JJ…
Cracking video
Great show! Chris did great 👍
Really interesting convo. Ty for the deep dive on Newcastle!
Love to see you on here finally Hamster ❤
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1) I think they need to get proper rotation players and build some squad depth
2) they need to make a few signings which straightaway become regular starter and are future stars. (Just like Bruno Guimaraes, Alexander Isak and Sven Botman)
3)They should also first build up for regular top6/top4 finishes
A bit of continuity and build up for strong finishes can make them take the next step. It isn't much possible to be like Leicester and somehow win the league, they need to build and make step by step progress.
To be fair we’ve already done a lot of your 2) Bruno, Tonali, Isak, Botman, Gordon and Trippier are all good enough to be in any European side and all but Trippier are young enough to develop further, however, already we’ve brought in Livramento to be the Trippier replacement. Each year we will buy a couple of younger more elite players but in this current FFP capped landscape it takes time.
Squad depth is an issue, mainly because we got in CL too soon and couldn’t afford to buy the 6-7 players we needed. Even this summer we need to be looking at GK, 2 CB, LB, RW and Striker if we want a perfect window, you can even argue that we need a 6 but then we have far too many midfielders, we can’t afford all of those players without selling say Bruno or Isak but we’ll try to hold onto them both so I’d expect 3-4 of what we need rather than all 6/7.
It’ll take time but it’s better being a Newcastle fan now than it was 3-4 years ago so none of us should be overly critical, the club is trying.
I have mixed feelings on FFP, it’s necessary to prevent clubs overspending but there should be some allowance for ambitious teams with wealthy owners to add extra investment or it becomes very very difficult to match the established top 6. I don’t want to see Newcastles owners abusing the system though and I’m yet to hear a good balanced idea that protects clubs, prevents abuses but also gives teams like Newcastle, Villa and Brighton the chance to close the gap.
Another point that might not be well known outside of Newcastle is the improvements at academy level, our academy was underfunded under Ashley, very few good players came through and the ones that did such as Bobby Clark were allowed to leave. Now we have improved the academy and we’ve signed some good young players who should start knocking on the door of first team in the coming years as well.
Well done Chris, good job
I really hope Newcastle not only becomes a Major contender for years to come for Prem but a major player in the UCL as well in years to come
Love that JJ and Jon have been working together for so long, and the new man on camera comes up and reveals Jon's name to JJ's surprise hahaha
genuinely so weird seeing hamill on this channel having just watched an old statwars video lol
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Love seeing Chris on here 🙏
I appreciate you! 🤝
The Athletic is the gold standard for sports journalism or news. Absolutely fantastic.
“An outside chance of qualifying for the Europa Conference League”, you say, Jacob?
How the table turns…
That was spot on that like 👍
One of the best bits of Newcastle content I’ve seen. Excellent breakdown
Glad you enjoyed 🤝
I’m an NUFC fan and I think we’ve done outstanding considering the first 5-6 fixtures of the premier league, followed by the league cup fixtures of Man City, Man Utd and then Chelsea away.
There was a cup ticket process for season ticket holders.
Don’t know why they bothered cos apart from City that was it.
Then the Champions league group 😂
Again we started off fantastically (to possibly the hardest group I’ve ever seen drawn) especially considering the injury crisis we suffered.
Beating PSG put us in a good position.
Then away to PSG we’re winning and seeing the game out. To have an atrocious miscarriage of justice that ANYONE could see it wasn’t a penalty, but somehow they still gave it.
Dropping them two points changes the whole dynamic of the group and puts the pressure squarely on us.
Again with the injury crisis which I will keep referring to.
Our team as you rightly pointed out. Last season played high intensity football.
This season the injuries had it where we barely had a match day squad available, and so we were playing the same Eleven game after game.
And if you watched enough and you’re intelligent enough to realise when teams were bringing on subs they were changing the game cos we couldn’t!
The FA CUP was another strange set of draws with no home games. It is what is is.
Again we couldn’t expect more from our depleted squad.
Our injury list has been
Pope,
Burn,
Targett
Trippier
Livramento,
Hall,
Botman,
Lascelles,
Schar,
Willock,
Barnes,
Anderson,
Longstaff,
Murphy,
Almiron,
Miley,
Joelinton,
Isak,
Wilson.
A lot of them at the same time.
A lot of them with bigger injuries.
To be sitting here in 6th is something Eddie should be getting the award for Manager of the Season.
Depending on how Spurs do in their last few games we could even make 5th!
Money for nothing you lot.
First time posting on here and last.
Loved the talking to the street segment!
Well said and analyzed!
Glad you enjoyed 👍🏻
great content
I didnt even notice Joe Devine wasnt here until i looked at the comments cause i was happy that Chris was 😂😂 though now that i did notice i miss his warm embrace
While this season we haven’t been at our best i do enjoy giving young players experience in our first team, this can only improve us in the future and have dependable depth.
People keep harping on about P&S rules, but Newcastle have suffered a double blow compared to City and Chelsea in that the Premier League changed the rules on related party sponsorship deals as soon as the takeover happened. This was a direct move to stifle Newcastle's growth and more that PSR protect the so called big 6.
I've only just realised Tifo is back and I'd like to thank the Athletic Overlords and the team for making me whole again.
good video. thanks tifo!
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European competition hangovers are a real thing, and I am not at all surprised we've "slipped back" this season. And now, with a bit of luck and lots of hard work these last few matches, we might actually get European football again next season! That is better than what I expected at the start of this season; I had us at 8th-10th, we might get 6th.
I quite like the slow but steady squad building we've seen so far under Howe. But FFP/PSR might be holding us back a little, and we might have to sell a diamond to get the next couple emeralds in...
Fun to see Hamil with the tifo boys!
Hamill on a Tifo video 😍
I think its a bit silly to expect that newcastle will become a major force in the PL anytime soon, after just one big season. It'll be a long time till they can compete, they need the financials which they dont have atm.
They rank 7th in the PL financial tables but given how poor the commercial side was managed under Ashley they have a lot of room for growth. Until Ashley took over Newcastle were ahead of most of the big 6 and in the 90’s Newcastle had one of the highest revenues in the world so there’s potential there.
It wouldn’t be that shocking to see Newcastle break into that top 6 revenue in 2-3 years in they can maintain consecutive years in Europe, one advantage Newcastle have is everyone at the club is working together to achieve that goal, it’s very different to the likes of Chelsea, Man United or even Spurs where there always seems to be drama or issues.
The owners have plans to expand revenue including even building a new stadium if necessary so it’ll probably happen at some point in time, it’s just going to be a slow gradual process
You can usually define Man City by the 115 stages. Not just 3 😉
I'm with Eddie Howe all the way. I rather win with him than any other arrogant football manager who demand big wage & create chaos at the club
What’s the app he’s using to show tatics/lineup in 23:22
More informed and educated than any mainstream football show. They actually know what they are talking about.
Here's how the interview for The Athletic FC goes
"Are you a c...?"
"Yes"
"Welcome to the team"
I think, given Eddie Howe's new approach was modelled on Simeone- that pending Athletico time coming to an end- he makes sense as a "pep" proxy
What a video!
Please can we have 45 minutes of content on Andoni Iraola's AFC Bournemouth at the end of the season? Jon Mackenzie would be up for it!
Hamil !!!!! Good to you
Hamill! Good to see ya lad
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Klopp’s first 3-4 years is the model for any team wanting to grow from mid table to a CL final with almost zero net spend. Incredible achievement. Even just those first two full seasons, the way he got money out of nothing players by getting performances and form out of them and reinvested that money is a key core of players was remarkable. That’s without talking about the transformation in the style of play and the return of great CL nights. Best in the world at that transformation part of management
Net spend i.e. net spend on transfers you mean? That's a very limited data point.
Arsenal has a high net transfer spend, but a true net spend (incl salary, commercial revenues) that's very much in control.
Wenger was better
Didn't they rely on selling Coutinho for £lol to get the key players they needed?
Step one for zero net spend: sell Coutinho for £142 million.
Step two: doesn't matter, you've just sold a player for £142 million pounds.
What an achievement.
Knowing who to sell is part of football, fellas. But even if he kept Coutinho and his net spend was £140m (btw not all of that ever got paid because of how awful he was afterwards) would that have been a bad job? Show me another team in this era that’s got anywhere near a CL final without spending massive money. I agree that NS is a poor measure but what other data do we have available to us? Finishing position season on season was remarkable, CL final 2 seasons after finishing 8th, also pretty remarkable. Following it then with a CL and PL win to prove it wasn’t a one off CL final, albeit after spending, pretty special.
The PSR/FFP rules as they stand will change, and sooner than expected, and differently than expected. Firstly, the £105m loss over 3 years needs an inflation update, but much more importantly, as seen in January, it is now killing all deal-making. The 'Big 6' who were happy to agree the rules for reasons mentioned in this video are now finding it very hard to offload players. They could in the past rely on selling to mid-table and bottom half PL teams when they didn't want a player anymore. Now this option is closed, or they have to drop their price. The only direction it can go, and this is pure supply and demand economics, is transfer fees and player wages shrink UNLESS the regulation is removed or modified. There are considerable vested interests in football transfers happening at high values, these vested interests will outweigh those that would maintain FFP/PSR as it stands. Be in no doubt.
Harvey Barnes and Anthony Gordon “raising the floor” errmmmmmmm ok. You wouldn’t be able to buy Gordon for less than 80mil after the season he’s had 😂
Hello, I am a really big Olivier Giroud fan, I really love him and if it is true that he is going to MLS, I will be very sad, but could you pls make a video about him please it would mean the world to me
You made this video about 3 days too soon, it could possibly be a far quicker ascent to the top if these new FFP FSR rules are brought in where teams that overspend just need to pay a luxury tax lol if this turns out to be true it will be mental this summer
I been waiting for Chris on the podcast like a kid waiting for Christmas
Chelsea won the league 2 years after takeover. With no hint of FFP whatsoever.
Man City won the league 4 years after takeover. Slightly stricter rules on spending with FFP.
Looking at the trajectory, Newcastle will win the league 8 years after their takeover. So maybe 2029/30 season.
There were no rules for city during their first few years. And it’s fair to say, there were no rules for city even when rules came in for everyone else.
Listen...Toon fans are NOT and never were under ANY illusions about the enormity of the task ahead.
The main thing is that we are on the freeway and not a backroad . It is going to take time...Any good times in the interim will be a massive bonus.
Our future is a hell of a lot brighter...!
115 charges against City....
Fantastic!
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When? I am in my mid 60’s, 57 years since my first game at SJP, I don’t expect to see us Livy the Premier league title. The best I can hope for is a cup, but I’m not holding my breath.
Where do you go to watch back games??
Mental that we’re now 6th and this was only 2 weeks ago
I really don’t think losing Dan Ashworth is a massive loss for us. Our main signings, Bruno, Isak, Botman, Trippier.. etc were all signed before Ashworth started or in Isak’s case, only a couple of weeks after he started so you can’t count that as an Ashworth signing. There was also some clear friction behind the scenes between Ashworth & Howe so can’t say I’m too disappointed to be honest. Especially if we get £15-20m compensation.. all helps with the PSR 👌
It wasn’t ashworth’s job to sign players. I don’t think there’s a fan in England who knows what a sporting director does.
hamill might be the only person that could maybe sometimes replace joe divine. Good to see you back hamster
Hamill rocking hair like he's 5'9"
Great anaylsis
Glad you enjoyed! 👍🏻
City and Chelsea didn’t have FFP and PSR to content with. They were just spending stupid money and ship off any player that didn’t work
Hamster, handsome as ever
Please make this a regular podcast :(
I disagree on the level of quality increasing compared to ten years ago. Back then, you had more variety in playing styles and an array of genuine elite strikers. Apart from Haaland and possibly Toney, I can't name another elite striker currently playing.
In 2014 had; Aguero, Negredo, Dzeko, RVP, Rooney, Giroud, Vardy, Kane, Suarez, Sturridge, Benteke, Costa, Lukaku. And your telling thousands of people with a straight face the quality has improved?
as a newcastle fan the answer is it depends if city get penalised severly or not I think we can be there in 3-4 years if city are taken out of the race but longer if city are still at large
Yeah, Citeh are the reason why Newcastle got battered by shoestring budget team like Luton twice this season.
What if Newcastle take an unlikely long term approach with howe...
Watched the first 2 mins. Bunch of posh boys with no idea. To summarise an unprecedented amount of injuries, plus a betting ban. Coupled with a shocking handball decision in Paris. 6th is an outstanding position considering all of these factors.
Would be great to see Hamill present more, been a fan since the FD days.
I'm a big fan of Joe as a host, but Chris did a brilliant job. Would be very happy to see a mix of the two going forward
Currently 12 injured or suspended do you think that have an influence
The Football Daily and Tifo cinematic universes collide. In the end we will all become The Athletic
As if Tifo, the magical channel that is was, turned into this.
How much was the hamil transfer from fd?
Free agent 👀
its simply all the injuries. i cant think of a single game where we had all our 1st team.
Most non braindead fans will understand. We’ve still got championship players at the club. Worst injury list I’ve ever seen. We’ve still had some great results. Bring on next season.
Unpopular opinion: I'm actually warming up to the athletic fc over the past couple of weeks. Tifo IRL was better but it's gone and this isn't bad. Or maybe they've broken me 😭
Stockholm syndrome. Never forget
I think that player transfer fees will come down due to financial fair play.
Tactical football has moved on in leaps and bounds over the past couple of years so it has left managers like David Moyes behind, the poor negative one trick pony. Alonso will own him when they meet up later this month
What’s going on with Jacob’s arms, is this a Jordan Pickford tribute?
Bring back tifo football show 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Vidoes on this channel are either 50 seconds long or 50 minutes ...lol
Jon T... Jon The GOAT
Sadly not in my life time, came close once (2nd) with a better team than we have at present.