Tipping point for Northern Ireland? Unionists brace for first-ever loss in assembly elections
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- A sign that Northern Ireland is ready to overcome old divides or of new troubles ahead? For the first time ever, Unionists could find themselves in the minority when ballots are counted in regional assembly elections. Under The Good Friday agreements, the DUP would still share power with Sinn Fein who could trigger a referendum on a united Ireland.
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How can anyone say there will be trouble if sinn fein get first minister we have supported a unionist first minister for years now suck it up
Graham Gudgin squirms when asked why is there a power sharing/ mandatory coalition? He knows well the answer is because of the Protestant's discriminated against the Catholics when they had constant power in the old regime. Instead says nonsense about it is there for Sinn Féin to be in power and Protestants don't vote for paramilitaries.
No it’s because of scumbag PM’s like Tony Blair.
He's a dinosaur 🦖
Jeffery Donaldson saying " we don't want to be second class citizens in our own country"
Nationalists could laugh for days at this. History speaks for itself
Listening to Gudgin is like stepping into a time machine
The DUP can't implement the famous five point plan if Sinn Féin has First Minister and it refuses to sit at Stormont.
Didn't they say they were going to implement a five point plan at the last election?
@@bh2o
I doubt the DUP can move on.
@@roisinmalone3015 They are pissed of because 1 they lost their majority 2 the world is changing and they cannot keep up
Gudgin just proved dinosaurs actually are not yet extinct. What a fossil.
One speaker saying 30 percent re a United Ireland, that's not what many polls say.
If it was 30% Unionists would insist on a border poll. It's just the Brits up to their usual lies.
It’s 30%.
"Protestants would not vote for paramilitaries" . Of course not, their paramilitary organization was part of the state. Jesus, the lack of understanding of NI history from that man was amazing.
Then it's not a paramilitary by definition 🙄
State sponsored terrorism is the definition.
@@KennyBare my apologies. I'll just call them murders. Apologies again.
@@KennyBare Wrong. It just means they are not publicly endorsed or backed. Did you even bother to look up what the word means before making a fool of yourself in public?
Here I will help you with the actual definition of the word.
Definition of paramilitary
: of, relating to, being, or characteristic of a force formed on a military pattern, especially as a potential auxiliary military force.
Thank me later for saving you from making a total eejit of yourself in public again.
He's a sour uld git alright
I'm a bit baffled by the English guy from Cambridge's comment in which he said that there should be mutual enforcement and exports via Northern Ireland to the EU or to the UK from the EU via Northern Ireland should be required to comply with all the necessary regulations. It completely baffles me. How do you ensure that such trade fully complies with all the regulations without Customs checks, which implies a Customs border which cannot be between Northern Ireland and the south of Ireland if UK is to comply with the Good Friday Agreement? What was he actually saying apart from we need customs checks.
He's a unionist.
@@roisinmalone3015 I know that but it just seems such a weird thing to say. It was literally saying nothing.
@@chrism7969
That's because he's an extreme unionist type.
They don't make much sense. They thought Brexit would result in a hard land border on the island of Ireland.
He's nuts.
The GFA doesn't say or mention anything about a trade border between the two jurisdictions, the only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security. It could be argued that a hard border would conflict with the spirit of that part of the agreement but again there is no specific prohibition. I'm nationalist the only way to solve this issue is reunification of the island of Ireland that would mean GB could get on with their disastrous brexit. The uk has no strategic interest in N Ireland except propping it up.
12:30 Protocol is not causing any constitutional issue, NI High Court already judged its not against constitutional status of NI nor GFA or any previous constitutional law, any constitutional crisis would be caused by deliberate actions of London or Unionist politicians not by the protocol, and EU commission didnt set up and forced border between GB and NI on poor UK, UK govt freely agreed to the protocol and chose the sea border among other available options.
Mr Gudgin is clearly ignoring facts he doesnt like and is rewriting history as it suits him and no-one, even moderator, bothers to call him out and correct him.
The moderator doesn't seem fully up to speed either. He forgot the name of Agnes' book, for one thing...
The only way the constitutional position can be changed is via the GFA
High court is corrupt it’s now gone to Supreme Court.
@@Whizzy-jx3qe never! GFA brought peace, I yield my time.
@PatchesRips That's a pretty bad fail.
Gudgin conveniently forgets the murders committed by loyalist terrorists such as the UVF, Shankill Road bombers, Red Hand Commandos, UDA, UFF etc etc etc
Not forgetting to mention the IRA/ Sinn Fein, INLA, NIRA,CIRA etc all Roman Catholic murderers.
we'd never get proper coverage like this from UK channels
That's because they're starting to realize that NI is on its way to be a foreign country.
Historic moment for Ireland.
God, Gudgin is literally just a propaganda machine for the DUP every time he opens his mouth, at least the other commentators made up for his impartiality.
Agree 100%. He was so biased, it was embarrassing
Not for the DUP. Unionism in general. He was right however throwing this interview.
What I love about the protocol is when in Europe I can still bring back whatever I want unlike the UK mainland who have to obey duty free limit
@@Buckets1000 agree totally
reform black and tans
Balanced report, good panelists. Even t’oul eejit Gudgin is useful for his tap dancing. Typical entrenched Unionist.
Northern Ireland will join Scotland and Ukraine as new EU members. Thank you, England. We could never have done this without your two greatest mistakes. Brexit and then Boris.
@Carl Collins Carl Cobblers??😂😂
SNP should demand their own NI protocol
Too late for scotland. Anglofied beyond repair.
@Carl Collins
Walloper Waller…..A fanatical Scot Nat who so loves Scotland, he live in Malta.🤣
Northern Ireland is a manufactured failed statelet and is merely a part of a province in Ireland... it cannot be independent.
Good riddance to DUP. They got into bed with the Tories and royally done. Karma
A "divisive border poll"... because partition isn't divisive in the slightest...
From the party who went after brexit to put a hard border in Ireland
Well Sinn Fein supported the uprising and then partition. There would have been no partition without Sinn Fein.
@@noodlyappendage6729 no there would have been no partition if Britain or rather England got the phuck our of Ireland and if the Scots and Welsh have any sense they will tell those Anglo Norman scum likewise
@@noodlyappendage6729
Sinn Féin didn't support partition. There was no choice, it was accept the terms or expect full scale invasion.
The uprising was for Irish Independence and to get away from British rule and boy are we glad in Ireland that we did. If the ruling force executes people who are wounded, tied to a chair (James Connolly), what do you expect?
Unfortunately it didn't turn out well for nationalists in Northern Ireland re huge discrimination re for example re voting, housing, jobs.
@@noodlyappendage6729 there wouldn't have been a Republican movement if the British hadn't conquered the place and planted it with Unionists in the first place.
Gudgin is past his best before date.
Out of Touch!
Out of Date!
Old grey men always fighting the last war. Vote for the younger generation.
Disclaimer, I am an old grey man and I've realised that the future belongs to those who have a future.
Gudgin,nothing short of a racist cowboy 🤠 clown 🤡 🙄 🤣 😒 😂 😑 🤡 🙄 🤣 😒 😂 😑 🤡 🙄 🤣 😒 😂 😑 🤡 🙄 🤣 😒 😂 😑 🤡 🙄 🤣 😒 😂 gobshite,!!!
hoping everything turns out nice in Northern Ireland, great part of the world more people should come visit
You just need decent weather here.
Ssssh, we don't want everyone to discover how nice NI really is, then our roads would get busy & we wouldn't be able to use them for racing.
@@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329
Best wee country. Only for the political nonsense. Love it here.
I think the only people worried about the protocol Jeffrey are yourself, your party and a handful of the electorate who can't get over the past. I am a Protestant and Unionist who sees the protocol working and am not in the least bit worried about a Sinn Finn first minister or their all Ireland referendum. What concerns me as does others is the crushing poverty in our country, the state of the NHS, high unemployment and wages that haven't risen to match the prices in the high street.
Interesting. Despite your family name you are a unionist. But u would accept Irish reunification if it came about at least. Good man
common sense here
Ah so you’re not worried about the 130 mil going to the GAA instead of NHS
@@ProfileP246 lol. YOU again. So are you saying that amount if not given to the GAA would go to the NHS. In other words the GAA is TAKING that from the NHS? If so, where thefuck do ya get this crazy "news" from? 😂😂😂🇮🇪. Post a link please
@@ProfileP246 do you talk shite every day or is it just at election times?
merci beaucoup for a balanced and civilised discussion on the current state of the play here in the North of Ireland, alas Mr Gudgin does seem to hark to the past but perhaps this is something in his DNA - thus not easily corrected ;-)
Mr. Gudgin is a staunch unionist and brexiter. He's slightly out of date.
Absolutely and with a selective memory.
Good old DUP still fighting to take everybody back 6,000 years to when God created Northern Ireland.
LOL sadly true
dont forget the dinosaurs 3000 years ago
Dup think world started 2000 years ago
@@alltypesofvideos9902 Lol we’re gonna argue about 4000 years when neither one of them are true
The Local DUP guy here in west Tyrone wants creationism to be in all schools. He also described gay people an abomination. You can look him up if you want. His views are those of many unionist parties like the TUV and PUP.
Gudgin Is so bias even when he brings up figures he can’t substantiate them.
100% he is talking nonsense.
oh deary me...Mr, Gudgin seems to have forgotten brexit.....the reason the protocol is necessary....
I noticed that too...
The best solution to people who insist on being British while not in Britain is to move them all to Britain
They are in Britain. Ignorant comment.
@@noodlyappendage6729 Britain is an island containing England, Scotland and Wales. NI unionists may well identify themselves as British but they are not in Britain they are in Ireland.
Yeah let's just kick them out of the place they've been living for four hundred years, that's a feasible and humane solution.
NI is in Ireland and also the U.K. but it is not in Britain
@@Hattonbank Britain is shorthand for the UK. It can also be shorthand for the British Isles as a whole.
The problem is as Donaldson said it's not his country it belongs to Ireland not England and one of these day's it will be united
During the leaders debate on the BBC Donaldson was the only leader harping on about a border poll and the protocol,very little mention of the cost of living crisis.
Sounds good to me. The Uk doesn't even recognize Wiccan hand fasting (marriage) ceremonies....and Wiccans always have to travel to South Ireland to get married. So Ireland treats us as equals. I say do it! Make Ireland one again.
This election is a turning point not because of the numbers but simply because this - a nationalist in the top political role - was never envisaged when the gerrymandered N.I. enclave was created. It creates conditions for change.
There is now for the first time the beginning of serious discussion and thought about reunification- in both parts of Ireland .
The UK academic is talking nonsense.
If the DUPed refuse to go back into government the Tories are going to blackmail them with a border poll, mark my words. That's if the DUPed even come second best in the election because it's starting to look like Alliance are going to overtake them. Fantastic 😂
Might even be Labour in charge
Wonder how many seats will Dup get surly people have cop on to them
FFS Pablo. Pablo feels exposed. 🤣
@@MrPiccolop explain what your talking about ya header
Wrong.
Can't wait to see a united Ireland. 🤞
In the UK 🇬🇧
Has anyone asked the republic do they want us 😵💫
Brexit damaged the Good Friday Agreement, the Protocol only mitigates against the damage Brexit or the Brexit chosen does.
Brexit was a massive own goal for the DUP.
Sinn Fein being the largest party at Stormont feels so seismic and revolutionary for Northern Ireland, it could be viewed as the Irish equivalent of the Bolsheviks telling Russians in 1917, "Right, no more Tsars!" :-)
Feels like the 1st necessary step (but not the only one) to an eventual reunified Ireland! Brexit has made partition difficult and frankly farcical.
Catch yourself on. United ireland 😂😢😅🤣
The anchorman has no idea what he is talking about 😆
the Scots would love a protocol but hey ho we will just have to settle for full independence if soviet England allows it .
13:30 - in other words, another way to toss the Good Friday Agreement in the bin. Sorry, bud, but that's an international treaty, and it's not for the rest of Ireland to fix a problem the UK created. You made your own bed and took a dump in it. We asked you not to. It's not for us to clean up your mess.
Talking silly not real world
@@joprocter4573😂😂😂 what’s your real world Joe, did you learn how to read and write english yet?? or are you still blabbing out rubbish!
Must be quite an event if a French PBS broadcaster affords it 45 mins of coverage. This is in addition to the previous coverage throughout this week.
Do I detect a smidgen of sarcasm in your comment.
@@garyb5998
I don't tend to listen/watch the BBC these days.
Unless you can correct me, I don't remember much coverage on network BBC News and Current Affairs about the NI breakthrough that Sinn Féin are about to experience, if not already.
This week, I noted France24 giving quite a bit of space in their schedule over to NI. That is *FRANCE* spending a lot of time covering little *NORTHERN IRELAND*!
This 40+ minute programme above is just one of a few slots they've given over the NI this week.
@@MarkHopewell Yes I was correct and Pompous English Twit..
France 24 still crying because the UK dared to do the unthinkable. Sinn Fein are the largest individual party,not the majority.
@@cableguy6275 You could have said the same of the DUP while they were the largest individual party, that is until the boot found itself in the other foot last week.
When asked about religion Oscar Wilde said "I don' t think I have any,I am an Irish Protestant!"
He was baptized a Catholic on his deathbed!
Oscar was from Dublin. A different world.
What's your man talking about mainland France and Corsica, hehe.
Corsica and France don't have a Good Friday Agreement, an international peace treaty lodged with the UN.
Corsica is also on the precipice of split from France.
My hairdryer speaks more sense than Graham Gudgin does.
Enfin cannot wait to see the end of the DUP
And Sinn Fein, I hope.
Don’t hold your breath. If the DUP looses next time it will be the TUV you’ll be dealing with. Beware what you wish for.
Britain left the EU it’s time to let Ireland go their own way just let the EU tell them how to run their island
The EU does not tell us how to run our country. We're part of a trading block
You are wrong in so many ways:
1. Unionists are still a majority in the NI Assembly
2. SF don't have the power to call a referendum on a united ireland.
3. SF didn't win any new seats... they are stuck on 29% and going nowhere.
In fact nothing much changed and if SF can't make a breakthrough now with Brexit and the protocol dividing unionists then they clearly never will.
Well said 👏👏👏👏finally a truthful comment coming from a educated Ulsterman. Unlike most of the Neanderthal remarks coming form disillusioned foreign Irish Republicans. Which could be started up as a new party called the DFIRP.
@@hilarioushen4164 Or maybe Disillusioned Irish Republican Terrorists -> DIRT
Asanulsterman.
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Go to sleep 😴 💤.!!!
But physical checks would still have to be made to ensure that the law was being complied with !
Where would these checks take place ?
Gudgin declaring Sinn Fein as paramilitary's . Joker
All whilst forgetting the unionist parties ties to state backed murder gangs. People in glass houses etc.
Sinn Fein get 20-something percent of votes in NI. But the media thinks they’re on the cusp of a united Ireland lmao.
You couldn’t make this stuff up honestly.
Watching you lads have a meltdown is going to be delicious 🍿
........the DUP get 10-something percent of votes in NI ....but you guys think that having half of Sinn Fein votes ,is a sign of wanting to stay in the UK??
That's some warped logic you've got yourself there.
@@colloquialsoliloquy6391 I live in a nationalist area and believe me quite a few nationalists in the area would not vote for a UI.
At this rate, Nationalists will be running the place anyway. Shifted the border to the Irish sea. Roman Catholic First Minister and largest party. The North of Ireland is under economic Irish and EU jurisdiction. Irish Language Act is on the way. None of it made up Ramond and it's all happening.
@@Whizzy-jx3qe But they will when push comes to shove. The UK has no future outside of the EU and the North of Ireland will be held back because of the Union.
So if the Democratic Unionist party refuses to accept the will of the people and serve under a Sinn Fein First Minister ( if SF becomes the largest party ) does that make them the UNDemocratic Unionist Party .
Yes they only think of themselfs and what they believe
To not action brexit is to deny democracy
United Ireland 🇮🇪💪🏽
I doubt the Republic of Ireland would spend the money to bring Northern Ireland up to speed.
With the Republic's corporate tax rates and the norths heavy industry how much would it actually cost? I imagine capitalism will shore the gap up like in East Germany.
Up to speed? NI internet is faster the the RoI’s.
@@roooroooooooo1091 Well, the powers that be, in London, would not stand in the North's way. That might tell us something also.
@@noodlyappendage6729 Faster yes, but the bandwidth cannot compare.
The one thing on this is that NI would have a much larger share of national political capital in Ireland than it does in the UK. London can afford to ignore NI (and much of Scotland and England) in a way that Dublin really couldn't.
It is only matter of time for both Scotland and Northern Ireland.
Cry about it, Orangies
Never have I seen a moment in time that the future of not only N. Ireland, and the Uk but the future of Ireland as an Island which historically has relied on our economy; as we have on theirs; been in such jeopardy. The trouble I believe in part is that the Romans never went to Ireland, or Scotland for in that respect, they have never known defeat! Battles have always been faught by the British apart from Vikings and the EU.
Mr. Putin: There's more Irish in the US than in Ireland. Hands off! ☘️🇺🇦
Yes, they're the people who funded terrorism in Britain for decades. Like Saudi Arabians funding Al Qaeda in other countries.
@@Al-ny8dk I'd like to read about that. Where might I find the documentation?
The British gov is still weak do you think the British gov would risk a trade dispute with the EU for the sake of Unions parties
No wonder David Trimble lost his seat this guy is a Dynersor
If “Jeffery is found guilty how much time do you think he will get
Looks like its a normal turnout across Northern Ireland and would guess that means some parties will have a normal result, DUP vs SF will be the likely result but the big question will not be who has the biggest party but rather which side has the overall majority of seats.
If or rather when Ireland is REUNITED, the Unionists would probably be in government with another 1 or 2 parties.
After all PR does not mean 45% of the votes getting 60% of the seats.
At the minute the Green party have 2 government ministries but only 3 TDs.
A point worth pondering.
The election today and the census results next month, it's gonna be a fun summer 😂
Say hello Harvey There is also the decision on casement park
Eh Graham, TUV stands for Traditional Unionist Voice not True Unionist Values (@33:00). . . . . . and by the way that's not a Jack Russell.
Thank you nother Ireland really I have been thinking this for along time really you have won really congratulations to welcome that decision
Looks like a case of chickens coming home to roost...
I’d like to quote derry girls here : northern irelands problems are “two different flavors of the same religion”
Derry Girls is great on a number of levels. It will live on, cosúil le, ( like ) Father Ted.
And do not have regulations between each other north and south....
Why the news not show the recent IRA/Sinn Fein gun salutes at IRA funerals?
What not mention a murderer the dup had talks with
The world risking their live trying to get into the UK and the Irish looking out. 🤣🤣🤣
Irish left the UK 100 years ago and are now the 2nd most developed country on earth on multiple development index and has the 3rd highest GDP. meanwhile the part of the Island under UK jurisdiction is one of the poorest regions in Europe, is it any wonder why the Irish want out
Yes but the Irish are acting on Experience
Peessed the wrong button
Good.
Gave to blame the Ipad
Didn’t look at the time this was published sorry.
Pure proper gander!
What's with the Arabic at 0:02? I thought this was French?
It’s coming home.
Northern Boresville. Michelle O’Neill is about as smart as my nails.
An intelligent and well managed debate. I enjoy video and learnt a lot! Regards from Australia.
Graham is wrong SF gained votes.
GFA is Dead
So are the DUP 😂😂😂
Oh how quickly the Torys forget ? We had a referendum and voted to give up our claims on northern Ireland.
I slept in the middle but great debate
A United Ireland is going to happen, the only question is when. I can wait another decade or so. Once united it will never be broken up again.
Join the UK 🇬🇧
@@noodlyappendage6729 Why in the name of sweet holy f*** would anybody join the UK.
Irexit and voted agreed to be under uk
@@joprocter4573 Is that meant to be English?
@@clancywiggam Malta wanted to.
Hopefully it won't affect having cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick.
The DUP has never had a 'majority'. Sinn Fein will not win a 'majority'. No one in Northern Ireland has a 'majority'. It's a power sharing arrangement, and I don't believe any party had every had more than 30% of the seats. Furthermore, they commentator said that unionists will still have an overall majority, Unionism already lost its majority in the last election.
There was no overall majority at the last election.
@@robert6106 Yeah that's why I said "Unionism already lost its majority in the last election". Unionist parties ceased to have an overall majority. No one had a majority...
If a united Ireland happens it will bring the troubles back
What makes you think that? And I ask you sincerely
why does everyone studder
Only 0.3% of first preference vote for Nationalists went to Alliance and that came from the moderate SDLP not SF. SF's first preference vote actually went up 1.1%. Most of Alliance's growth came from the Unionist community and Other designated parties like the Greens. But even among unionist most of the DUP's lost 1st preference vote went to the TUV not Alliance. If anything is being overstated it is the growth of the Other designation. When a border poll does come, Alliance will have to pick a side.
Who will be first to leave the UK Scotland or N Ireland?
Referendum Scotland 🏴 Ireland 🇮🇪
Thank you uk for brexit good job on the soon to be a united Ireland 🇮🇪 🥂
The man's head will not catch up to the twentieth century
Just switching deck chairs on the titanic.
There's only one Ireland!!!!
The World has changed. All political issues are ONE : self defense and Two : economic relationships. That means a marriage of weak to strengths. If you are weak then you need to marry strength. Those nations that do not marry will not survive as independent self govern units. This change has been going on for 20 years and is accelerating with Ukraine. Move or get out of the way because there is no stopping this event.
The only question is when. If Eire want Northen Ireland it will become a part off the Irish republic.
Especially on cheese
It isn’t a loss though!
Even hearing the word DUP is enough to put a person to sleep
Spanish government should unilaterally ditch the Treaty of Utrecht
And set up cheese contest in a equal hall for best cheese prizes
But whatever you do....do not get involved with what going on in Ukraine from either side....understand?