Lambo vs Ferrari vs Porsche: Who Is Currently The Best? [S6, E49]
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- This week we are live at @AlexandersPrestigeLtd . We discuss:
0:00 - Intro
1:39 - Rate My Ride
27:53 - Sam’s drive of the manual 458 Speciale
38:35 - Lambo vs Ferrari vs Porsche
49:56 - Audience Q&A
1:10:17 - Another EV Argument
1:14:30 - Outro
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You REALLY needed Paul to make this a fairer debate.
Honestly what is this😂….. These two are so shameless at times. Their opinions about Lamborghini are EXTREMELY subjective but they wouldn’t dare admit that due to their arrogance🤣🤣 love the pod and main channel but I really hate when they discuss Lambo, as if the company isn’t successful and it’s a completely outer planetary idea that people like them and drive them along side Ferraris and Porsches…..
@@CITRUS--lambos are the new hype car in my opinion. I think lambos popularity will grow more and more and people like the recognizable and different design of a lambo. But on the other hand Ferrari and Porsche have such a rich racing history. They have a lot of fans around the world. Specially Ferrari, there are so many tifosis around the world. Ferrari fans are very passionate about racing and they are everywhere
@cjb514a Lamborghini at least in Britain is the epitome of a rich chavs car, with the stereotype owner being a footballer or a drug dealer who wants to show off
@@CITRUS-- Lambo have a very limited and poor racing history, Porsche and Ferrari's history is really based around racing. Since the Countach they have been seen as the cars that are driven by attention seekers and posers that don't really understand racing heritage or "pure" driving. Lambo as company have doubled down on that image, which for me is what makes them very cool. In recent times under VAG ownership they have built truly amazing products (especially the shared platform / engine cars with Audi).. Lambo are about to do some serious racing again in WEC with the SC63 Hypercar . And for now it looks like its not going to be a rebodied ( VAG family) Porsche. 963. 😍
That 296 in the background is gorgeous.
Way better spec than Shmees
fckin beautiful, retro modern
@@SH7SH7SH7 to each their own.
Imagine if it had a high revving V8. Would be incredible.
In a depressingly ironic twist of events the guy who asked about the worst car journeys ever broke down 5 miles from Alexanders and had to be recovered by the AA home, yes im thay guy. Coolant coupling decided to blow itself to pieces but back on the road now. Still an awesome day, will defo come back. Thanks again everyone involved
Sam has hit the nail on the head with his Ferrari debate!
I agree with Tony. Saying you are too good for a Boxster or Cayman and you would only accept a 911 (despite your budget not be high enough for one) is snobbish. 51:33
To be honest, most of the guy’s comment was bigging himself up.
Trying so hard to become Tony's mate as well, comical
"Ruf builds Porsches they way Porsche would like to build them", was how one insider put it.
Thank you Sam, Tony, Alexander and team for hosting a great event. It was a pleasure to meet you all. John, Aarti and Monty 🐶
Oooooooo the tension at the end. So funny watching Tony tie himself in knots. Absolutely hilarious 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But Tony for a change was right. As an all around product to own, all electric cars are flawed by range, infrastructures and charging times.
@@CharlieBeveridge I think their flaws lie elsewhere. Weight, battery degradation, entry cost.
@@barbarusbloodshed6347 That is all true as well, especially the weight.
loll ev can only be an option tbh
@@barbarusbloodshed6347 Yeah Sam should test that Kia ev6 vs a Porsche Macan turbo and see if he still says they're the same driving experience.
I laugh if that civic had a turbo kit on it it would probs smoke every car there 🤣
Would love you to do an episode on how many recalls on Ferrari Aston Martin Porsche Lamborghini and McLaren. To see which has had the most and least. Over the last 15 years
Sam’s EV/M4 argument doesn’t stick really, as it take 5 minutes to fill up an M4, not an hour or more…
Plus EVs weigh like a ton more than ICE counterparts, making them terrible in corners and braking!
Porsche is all round the best in terms of keeping their looks and retaining great values not to mention the engineering!
Cant believe my Up made it onto the rate my ride😂
Nice whip
Even Tony liked it. 😊
Always look forward to this on a Thursday!
And to answer the question without having heard anything, it depends on the experience you want.
Obviously is Ferrari. Both Porsche and Lamborghini are leveraging VW parts and only Ferrari is putting our brand new engines, the other two are optimizing older ones which is way less expensive to do
There is not a single VW part in a 911
Mad to think I’ve been watching your podcast since the start even watching ya channel when paul had a red Astra mad how time flys
What an awesome channel I’ve recently discovered!! I’m hooked , Tony is a proper old school trader, love it, telling it like it is no nonsense no bull exactly how you should be In this industry . Can’t wait for more👍👍👍
Very enjoyable as always 👍
Awesome as ALWAYS! Thanks for the podcast guys. Kindest regards, Richard U.K
Haven’t even watched the video but Porsche 😂
Yes!
Best in which regard? Build quality: Porsche. Least depreciation: Ferrari. Most eye catching: Lamborghini
Not too sure Porsche build quality is what it once was.
@@Rocky-hh3ygPorsche build quality is higher than the others two. For me it has never been so high than now. When you look at a 911 with exclusive manufaktur interior, the finition and quality is pretty amazing
@@Rocky-hh3ygit most definitely isn’t, but still leagues above the other two exotics
I daily drive a Ferrari FF. Like Tony says, it is an event every time I get in it. It's also comfortable and easy to drive. I really didn't enjoy Porsche ownership for a number of reasons (new car) and I will probably never buy another. I would never buy a Lambo unless it was something from the 60's which is unlikely to happen. The thing is, there's nothing made after my FF that I'd change it for, even a Lusso. For me personally I now have nowhere to go, I'm driving my perfect car and there is nothing on the market that would encourage me to change it.
Interesting. Why not a Lusso V12?
How is reliability? And why not a Lusso?
twin turbo svj clears, no diff
I'm in a very similar position and share most of your opinions, except for the Lusso as I currently own a Lusso T (my first Ferrari). I've also owned a new 991.1 GT3 in the past and have no desire to go back to Porsche ownership anytime soon. At least where I live, the Ferrari ownership experience has been much better than the Porsche ownership experience, especially when it comes to any interactions with the dealership.
@@choyayahyah I just prefer the styling of the FF. A friend owns a Lusso V12 and it really felt like a sideways step to me rather than an improvement.
Audience interaction with microphone is great.
I think the point Sam missed on the electric argument is although the M3 doesn't have the best range it only takes minutes to fill up whereas an EV with a similar range would take significantly longer.
Listening to this whilst in Phoenix, I am simply amazed that when one of your audience sort your suggestion for what car to purchase in the £40k-£50k price range that you didn’t highlight an Alfa Romeo 4c which is undoubtedly one of the most engaging cars to drive irrespective of any price
Did you have the pram question 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm more a Ferrari and porsche fan over a Lamborghini one, but when it comes to how they deal with customers (the dealers probably more so), I'd say there'd be less bs when it comes to getting a special/limited edition of a lambo. Porsche or Ferrari would expect you to buy less desirable cars to be on an exclusive waiting list. So I'd probably end up with Italian bull lol
That's only because their is less demand for Lambos, as they don't hold their money as well.
@@CharlieBeveridge yeah, that a good point tbf, can't argue
There are 2 other factors too. Which country you're from and what the perception the dealership has of you. Let me explain what I mean by that. I'm from India and the supercar trend really caught on just in the last decade. I know someone who secured an allocation for a 911R having only owned a Carrera S and a Cayenne S before that. He didn't have an extensive collection either back then as he does today. He secured an allocation at sticker while also beating at least 6-7 individuals who have had way more Porsches n have had a relationship going back over a decade at least. Not just that, it was the only one allocated for India n was the 2nd car delivered to Asia and amongst the first dozen or two worldwide. Around the same time he also secured an allocation for a 458 Speciale without havin owned a Ferrari of any sorts prior to that. It was again the 1st in the country n one of 2 Speciales n 1 Speciale Aperta delivered here n amongst the first few delivered worldwide. Later on he picked up the country's first 488 Pista (His cousin too picked up a Pista a few months later without any prior Ferrari ownership) n amongst 6 or so delivered. This was followed by the country's 1st GT2RS MR and AMG GTR (He has had a history with Mercedes since he's had a few S classes n so on), the 1st Aventador SVJ (He owned a Novitec Huracan which has now been sold), the 1st SF90 Assetto Fiorano, the 1st 812 Competitzione, the 1st AMG GT Black Series n the 1st Huracan STO. Apart from these, he still owns his first ever supercar which is a Aston Martin DBS Carbon Edition, a Techart GT Street R, a 296 GTB, a 488 Challenge race car and a SLS AMG, a Ferrari F430 n a Murcielago which he bought used apart from his daily runners such as a S650 Maybach, Cayenne S n G63 AMG.
The coolest thing is that the miles he puts on is almost 1:1 in terms of road and track use. In fact, the GT2RS, AMG GTR, STO and Cayman GT4 probably have 3x more track miles than what was done on the road. One thing that most likely worked in his favour was that all these companies were trying to get their feet in the door when he started building his collection so they got him the allocations because they were sure that they had a guaranteed repeat customer while also getting alot of social media coverage because he doesn't shy away from putting miles on any of his cars. Also, he only paid the MSRP on all of them. We don't have markups the way limited run cars do in the UK n the insane markups found in the US. We do however have close to 220% duties levied on imports. Similarly, at least 10 individuals have gotten the new 992 GT3s having zero prior relationships with the Porsche dealership or the brand in general. This might change eventually once they see a significant rise in buyers though. I also heard that you can get allocations to limited run cars in the Middle East too without havin prior relationships with the dealership or brand. This could also be due to the fact that they, just like the US, get a significantly large number of allocations while also speccing every option available and the higher chances of repeat purchases.
As you mentioned, you probably have a better chance of being able to buy a limited run Lambo compared to somethin from Ferrari n Porsche. But I've also heard of Lamborghini dealerships in the US asking close to double the MSRP for the SVJ, Ultimae n STO. I think there are SVJ 63s still listed for over 1.2 million USD. I also heard of some dealerships asking for almost 300k USD over MSRP for the new Revuelto while also "insisting" that you also purchase a Urus Performante to secure an allocation of an early car. Similarly Ferrari dealerships there are trying to get people to buy a Roma, a 296/SF90 n a Portofino if you want to stand a chance of being allocated a Purosangue. The sad part is that there is more than enough number of people willing to do just that n as long as that's the case, folks like us stand a lesser chance of being able to buy new the car that we want when we have the means to do so. It doesn't help that the limited run cars hold value or even appreciate makin the used market also a no go unless you're willing to buy a really high mileage example.😑 Pls pardon my long ass message 😬🤘🏼
Your audience is getting my big. You guys need to come out to Scottsdale Arizona. The weather will be amazing from October to March.
Great event! Thoroughly enjoyed it, sadly the red callipers are definitely staying red 😂👍🏻
Loved the QnA section 🙌
what is this production quality my brain wasn't ready.
Jokes aside, haven't even listened but I know it'll be good. Cheers lads
Tony: "The oldest blokes brought the best cars"
Sam: "Well that in your opinion"
Tony: "Well they are pretty old"
LOL 😂
I think porsche make genuine race out of the box cars for people that love to actually drive ,where as Ferrari is just a bit of flashy jewelry that you take for a drive every blue moon and tuck away always mindful of the ks being put on it😅
Such an interesting topic…that’s why I have 2 of each brand coz I can’t decide lol. Semi old Ferraris (2009-2010), modern lambos and Porsches
That must be an awesome collection.
Have you any other brands?
The good cop bad cop contrast is nice.
Does Tony like the M3,M4 saloon /coupe as much as the Touring and if not why not?
Tony’s right, nothing beats that feeling of walking up to, seeing the badge and a getting into a Ferrari. The smells etc. The feel. Ferrari have always been better than people think in terms of usability too. Think the haptics have ruined the Ferrari and just legislation quieting everything down. I’m sure Ferrari would have them sounding louder if they could. They already do a better job than most stopping the muffling of turbos etc. That 296 is really pretty in the background too. Also a manual speciale is the dream. That’s what cars are missing these days, that aggressive, unique, learn to drive it, could kill you if you don’t respect it. Out and out speed doesn’t matter, it’s whether it gives the fizz, noise, character all those cliches
Cant wait until the 3rd of December !
I havent listened yet, but I think we all know how this is going to go 😂
I am from Dubai and I had a Ferrari and a Lamborghini. Both cars are not suitable for hot weather and have problems with daily use, and their price drops a lot after 3 or 4 years, unlike the Porsche, which can withstand all weathers and its price increases.
Isn’t it a F430 gearbox in that 458 Speciale manual?
I’d have the agree with Sam . Ferrari just aren’t producing the models that have the wow factor of the 2000’s and 1990s . The styling has deteriorated since pininfarina were replaced . The shift away from naturally aspirated engines and electrification has also caused issues .
Porsche on the other hand has only made very subtle design tweaks whilst having best in class dynamics and engines .
I would say that both brands have copied high end fashion houses by churning out endless limited edition products . It’s a clever strategy as they can produce loads of very similar cars but maintain the apparent exclusivity .
1:10:32 , like watching your parents have a barney 😂
In terms of the best all rounders I would choose Porsche.
So a 997 Carrera S can be as emotional as the 992 GT3 ? or close to ?
Pretty sure can feel as raw if you just use the modes and get an exhaust on, they are all rounders these days .
EV are certainly catching up (charging/range aside), but I would say they are still more expensive and often do not offer the same level of equipment/luxury when compared with ICE. In some segments EV are also technically behind, for e.g not offering all wheel drive. Also depreciation might prove to be worse than ICE, could have some "hidden" costs (registration, higher insurance, need to change tires more often...)
side view posters of 288 GTO, Countach and rear view of 911 turbo (all circa 1985)
You guys need Paul on sometimes too, a bit of debate into the mix
Can you post the footage of the slide in the Ferrari ? 😊
Couldn't pick between porsche and ferrari love both. But d agree porsche new stuff when see road or parking lot turns heads.
The ep3 is the row e36 m3 to our ep3 si
The thing is.. A 20 year old petrol or diesel car could still do 600 miles to a tank.. Try do that in a 20 year old electric car
I'm sorry strongly disagree, but the Ferrari 296 actually does sound like a mini V12. Ferrari actually go lengths to make their cars sound good. Interior and exterior sounds are excellent, best sounding V6 for a while.
Lambo captures the next gen of car lovers
Ferrari and Porsche keeps them in as adults
But we all still want a lambo for a summer
Tony: "I would rather set fire to myself" - LOL
Guilty pleasure car: Lexus SC (all model years actually)
Tell me more about those Alexander's water bottles? Do they ship to America?
49:28 It’s simple really; It’s because Ferrari dropped the manual gearbox, Porsche kept it, and no one wants one in a Lambo.
My 2011 Porsche Cayenne Turbo is my baby
Sam breaking down Rari.
Rari:
812GTS
812 Comp / Aperta
SP1/SP2
Monza
Purosangue
Pista (insane!)
What do you want? Ferrari pushing insane cars to the market. You even drove a Portofino M and you’ve almost flipped your house for one.
Had a bloody Lotus on the wall!
It's a price thing in my opinion, a lot of 'normal' people can afford a Porsche, therefore, people get the 'bug' for them. They're at that price point where you don't have to be in the top 0.01% to own one.
Ferrari and Lambo on the other hand, require you to be very wealthy.
It's the same reason why some people love BMW (weird right?). They're affordable and still fast.
Realistically, I think the show of hands would be very different in a real life situation if they had the choice between a GT3 and say a 488 Ferrari...
I love Porsche and have owned 3, Ferrari's are silly money, I'll own one but the desire for them is fairly low until I can afford one properly.
Let's go!
Porsche is probably more reliable. Yet the Lamborghini is just raw over the top 🔝 experience. The Ferrari is just a great looking 👀 car that used to be the most desirable car to own and the competition just caught up to a great car 🚙
In terms of ease of use, Porsche is still where it's at. My 911 is comfortable, handles well, and after many km's it still has had 0 problems. I also love how under the radar it is. But if you were to offer me a car for free? Definitely a Ferrari.
Please drive the Ioniq 5N when you can get your hands on one.
Is that a serious question?
Why did Tony cancel his 296? Have you talked about this?
Yes was either this month or last month but can't remember.
Depreciation 📉
When I was younger I mainly liked Ferrari and lamborghini. Now that Im 18 I like porsche more.
Tony could never pull off a Lambo as can't most of that audience which is a reflection on the majority of society and that's not even regarding the expensive factor! If you're over 40, look it whilst also looking like crap don't bother and if not get a Ferrari if you can afford one and if not get a Porsche.
Facts, unfortunately for the majority.
Lamborghini are too flashy like the people who drive them. Porsches are generally a middle aged man’s car for the weekend they pretty much all look the same (911’s) unless your a bit of a Porsche nerd nobody knows the difference between a 996 & 997.4 it’s just a 911 . Ferrari is and event a beautiful looking product the models look so different
I had Tony down as being born closer to 1972 than 1982.
I think people vote for Porsche for the GT products not for all Porsches . I don’t see the same excitement for a Macan….
I prefer all cars pre 2010
You simply cannot be serious about true sports cars to not realize GM has beat all three of those companies mentioned with their C8 series car. It is not only a GTLM car, but very possibly the best sports car for the road ANYONE has built to date.
It’s to do with the engines. Porsche have always had smaller engines and haven’t changed, Lambo have always had loud V8/10/12’s and haven’t changed whereas Ferrari pre 2010 were known for their ‘exotic’ V8/12’s but have since changed to hybrid and turbo’d engines. Could it be we don’t like change and we identify with the brands that have stayed true to their MO
I think you're on to something here. Maybe it's not so much aversion to change, but just the breakdown of their formula.
Ferrari had high-revving NA V8s and V12s in beautiful bodies and now they don't. No more NA screamers and they stopped having Pininfarina pen the cars.
IMO, the F12 was the last heart-pounding Ferrari. Just so happens to have an NA V12 and a Pininfarina design (it was the last Pininfarina Ferrari).
You can get a Ferrari 360 for less than £50k!
Yes but the M3 only takes 5 mins to refill!!
After six Ferraris I´m with Sam and I don´t really want anything of their new cars!! Very happy in a 911 now and can´t wait to see what Porsche brings out with the 992.2 line up!!!
812 competizione ?
@@CharlieBeveridgeCollectors car and a little bit more money, wont see any of them doing 20 laps at the Ring!!
@@head911 I agree, but as a package its very desirable. Along with the Pista, its the only recent Ferrari that I have love for like the older cars. The SF90 XX has my attention, as it seem like its going to be a total weapon in every situation. But i will need to wait until i see one in real life to judge if i desire one, as the looks are bit much in pictures for me.
@@CharlieBeveridge These are cars for collectors and very very rich people, buy a GT3 and you will probably have more fun and can use it more!! That´s is what I did!!
@@head911 I have had 3 different gen's of GT3's (997, 991, 991.2), and i now i have a GT4 RS and 992 GT3 RS coming..
Porsche. There is no substitute..
1:14:46 get Paul on instead
Just from the title I have to say ferrari are making the most beautiful cars man . 296 , sf90 , tributo, purosangue, perfecto
The F8 is massively overlooked.
I'm with Sam here, Ferrari don't make anything worth lusting over anymore.
Ferrari for sure 👌
930 Turbo is the daddy
I don't think this is entirely true. Ferrari has released the latest naturally aspirated V12. What Lambo has done in recent years is only made minor adjustments to the Aventador and made it a limited edition to make money. while the 812 competizione and purosangue are completely new vehicles. Okay the competizione is based on the 812 but is more hardcore. Lambo hasn't done this since the SVJ and is the first to kill the naturally aspirated V12.
And they do the same with the huracan, what´s also looking like is going to get rid of the v10 and will get a hybrid v8
Ferrari stopped using Pininfarina and accountants got a hold of non v12 cars ,quality is not as good, thats why they are not as good
2JZ in the new supra 100%!
1.8 MX5 engine in the new one
4.8 cayenne engine in the macan
Takes 5mins to fill up the M3 Touring
Add Paul once a month pls
I have to side with Tony as usual. Ev's are too expensive compared to ICE equivalent. Too heavy in comparison, bad depreciation and with the infrastructure EV's have a very long way to go. Yes they go forwards, backwards and even steer......not sure that qualifies as a great product
So you're talking about the first gen R8, and the picture that flashes up is a facelift car. Seriously
At the end, why did not Tony just answer. I will refill the M3 in a few minutes? Case closed.
If i had all the money in the world, id buy five of each brand.
I'd say Porsche is the best right now. They make the best track cars in the GT4RS, GT3RS, and GT3. They make the best daily supercar in the Turbo and Turbo S. They make the best electric car in the Taycan. Followed closely by Ferrari in my opinion.
Whoever is the next to produce something to beat the 458. Until then meh
To me Lambo, porsche and Ferrari all offer something different but are incredibly engineering fantastic cars
To me bmw vs audi vs Mercedes is more interesting
But to me bmw atm is the best out of the 3
Mercedes loosing its way with the new c63 and boring looking all the same, Audi meh no r8 just seem boring not much going on
Bmw new ix and XM
M3 touring
M5 touring on the way
Best diesel saloon 530d
M340i 6 cylinder
Almost bmw beats the other germans in each category
I’m sure all the people with their hands down for lambo if they won the lottery would go straight out and get an urus
:) and in the mean time some of them can get an Audi RS Q8, same underpinnings, same engine...
It’s really more “roast my ride,” isn’t it?
ICE put back 5 years because EV's are so great - discuss.
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