It's truly heartbreaking knowing that we could've got not one, but TWO versions of KOTOR 3 and somehow we ended up with neither. Have you ever heard the tragedy of KOTOR 3? It's not a story Lucasfilm would tell you... ANYWAY, let me know down in the comments your answer to today's question! Really looking forward to reading everyone's thoughts!
If it were me, it's the fact that regardless of the choices you did in the main duology, it always leads to the canonical Legends timeline... take for example, even if you did full Dark Side runs as Revan and the Exile, their tyranny and unabashed evils will be miraculously undone by the offscreen events of this proverbial KotOR III, which then leads us to a dark age with little or no records of it remaining come 138 ABY and things going back to the status quo by the time the New Sith Wars began less than 2,000 years after KotOR II. Oh, and the origins of the Chiss Ascendancy and its rivals, for one.
When it comes to starwars getting a third game in a series is almost impossible it sucks tbh I am hoping this remake for kotor does so well that we get a sequel and hopefully a 3rd game I’m still hopeful for a battlefront 3
Personally, the thing I would've loved the most would be the story and game play opportunities. Maybe a four man squad like in Dragon Age with both Revan and Meetra as pseudo-maditory-co-PCs with both getting their own solo moments. It would've opened up squad building a bit to have Revan act as a main melee fighter with Meetra acting a a jedi support, T-3 as a solid skill member and another to round things out. Dialog and story would be interesting to balance out but I feel it would've been awesome! Alas... the closest we'll ever get to this is one Flashpoint storyline and a lack luster book...
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Here’s kind of an off subject question that just popped in my head while playing KOTOR 2 tonight. When Mandalore meets Meetra Surik for the first time, he makes a comment about “her army” at Malachor V and that she “seems capable”. That obviously stated he knows she’s a Jedi, and probably that he knew she was in the Mandalorian Wars. Later, Kreia confronts him about their “agreement”. But the question I have is, does he actually know who the Exile is? Or does he just know her as a Jedi that some old woman is coercing him into protecting? Knowing Canderous, and how reverent he was towards Revan in KOTOR I, one would think he’d at least be a little favorable towards Meetra for being Revan’s most capable general (who Kreia remarks is respected by the Mandalorians) and led the force the Mandalorians fought at Malachor V.
I was actually making a K.O.T.O.R.3 headcannon/fanfic sequel comic in Clone Wars 2003. Haven’t done that in month’s, don’t know when I’ll do it. Idk that’s it.
I love swtor mainly the things with Malgus and the emperor but I feel like they just barely missed with Revan, would have rather seen him die in Kotor 3, I also don’t mind the Revan novel I just don’t like how they pushed Meetra to the side
If the KOTOR remake is successful enough to spawn a KOTOR 2 remake, I really hope that means we can finally get a true KOTOR 3 experience completely separate from SWTOR. As for my pick for what I'd want in KOTOR 3, I'd have to go with making Revan himself a playable Party Member, finally giving the iconic duo of KOTOR a chance to fight side-by-side. That'd be sick ^-^
@@KhukuriGod I liked the Revan book. Maybe that's unpopular opinion though. I wonder if kotor 3 would be one the last things Revan would do before he embarked on the novel journey.
@@100StarWars Well money talks, so I guess it all comes down to how well the game will sell :\ Still, I'd really rather they kept Aspyr onboard. Binning them over not liking an attack animation is pretty pathetic |:S
KOTOR III would have been the battle of 5 armies; The Mandalorians, HK 51s, the Republic, the Jedi, and the true Sith. It would have been endgame. Playing as the exile would have been cool, you'd get to speak with Revan, discuss Kreia's teachings, maybe you'd get to pick who comes with you, new companions as previous ones take on boss roles. Baestila/ Mical leading the jedi, HK 47 leading the HK 51s, Carth leading the Republic, Canderous as Mandalore. Would be epic to see.
There are hints throughout the game, via the inclusion of certain items and weapons, as well as the presence of the True Sith in the Unknown Regions, that the Chiss may have gotten involved as well as an adversary of the Sith.
Another hilarious reference to the Empire Strikes Back in the canceled KOTOR 3 would have been: Atton Rand: *Is seized by the Sith and taken to be frozen in carbonite* Meetra Surik: "I love you..." Atton Rand: *Smiles* "I know..." HK dismantled: "Observation: I think the disgusting moans I hear you making on the ship make this exchange pretty obvious, don't you think?" Meetra Surik: "I AM GOING TO TURN YOUR REMAINS INTO SCRAP AND GIVE THEM AS A TOY TO THE SON OF REVAN AND BASTILA" HK dismantled: "Please, not the little meatbag..." 😢
Even without further nod to ESB, HK being strapped to the Exile would’ve been funny enough. Chewie was big enough *not* to be hindered by 3PO, as well as 3PO made of light metals. HK was taller than the Exile, looked to be of heavier plates of metal. Even with the Force, the Exile would be putting in a whole lot of effort to carry HK, maybe hunched over even. Imagine the Exile hunched over, barely able to move all because of a broken robot that weighs a few hundred pounds. Exile: “If you were a person, you need to go on diet.“ HK: “Offended statement: I take great offense to that, I do not weigh that much. Perhaps it’s you are are weak.”
What I wished we got out of a KOTOR 3 the most is seeing how the foundation of both sith and Jedi grew from the teachings of Revan. Obviously Revan’s philosophy was far more sith then what we think of as lightside, but every learned force user alive was directly involved or learned from someone close to Revan. Revan was the shatterpoont of the force.
Yes seeing a new Jedi order or order of force wielders using revans teachings and led by him and the Jedi exile wouldve been awesome! I don’t think the Revanites in SWTOR really capture or follow revans teachings accurately
2:45 I always found the relationship of HK and T3 a bit underrated, with that pair being C-3PO and R2 from the Old Republic, but with the roles reversed. While C-3PO is a coward who only thinks of staying away from the fight because of his status as a simple translator and R2 is an intrepid adventurer who wants to make the best of life, HK craves the complete destruction and anarchy of the Galaxy in as opposed to T3's kind-hearted and compassionate nature. Both couples, despite being of different natures, have in common how well their opposing personalities create a great chemistry and even a unadmitted friendship.
C-3PO after being dismembered: "Oh man. How worthless I feel now being turned into junk..." HK-47 after being dismembered: "Well, let's see if you can give me now some difficulty" *DOOM music kicks in*
HK-47: "Mocking query: Is that all you got, you sorry excuses for meatbag assassins? Statement: I am in utter shock of how useless these Sith are, Master! They were supposed to be better."
Consider the droids and the one to carry them. 3PO looks like he has lighter plates of metal, and is carried by someone who isn’t bothered by his weight. Then there’s HK, his metal plates looks thicker and heavier, he’s taller than the Exile, never mind Revan. Either the Exile or Revan trying to carry HK would require the Force, or else they wouldn’t be able to move. HK: “Exasperated statement: master, is this the best you can do?” Exile: “If you were a person, you need to go on diet!” HK: “Shocked statement: I do not weigh that much. Suggestion: Perhaps it is you who is too weak.”
I cannot believe they passed up the golden merchandising opportunity that is an HK-47 backpack. I would have killed for that. Or, rather, I would have sent my assassin droid to kill for that. I can just imagine HK-47 bemoaning being carried by inferior meatbag legs. Shooting targets while being and listening to his comments would have been an on-rails section I would gladly play.
It’s crazy that Obsidian made two incredible games with rushed develop deadlines (Kotor 2 and Fallout NV). On top of that they’re still making great games like Pentiment and The Outer Worlds. It’s a shame Chris Avellone is no longer there but they still have tremendous talent with guys like Josh Sawyer.
Would’ve been cool to see a segment of the mandalorian wars. Revan and Surik meeting, like you said, and at least one mission/battle, like Dxun. Could even be from the perspective of Canderous. It’s a pretty significant era of the universe that doesn’t have enough coverage.
This is something I hope we get in the remake: flashback missions a la Halo 3 ODST style Battles like Dxun, Serroco or Malachor V Imagine relieving the Order to activate the Mass Shadow Generator or playing as Revan in his duel against Mandalore The Ultimate Would be awesome
I agree the meeting between Exile and Revan would have been the highlight, especially if you meet him like you do in the vision on Korriban, with him wearing his iconic robes and mask, and you don't know whether he will try to kill you or not. Also, seeing the new Sith. I like the idea of the Sith from Kotor 2 being just the tip of the iceberg in terms of power and creepiness. It would great starting the game with all the power from the previous games, and having to fight these overpowered monster Sith. My third would be Revan's reunion with Bastila and Carth.
This is such a shame, would of loved to hear "Statement" or "Melancholic Interjection" multiple times dragging HK along. I personally would of loved to see a game in the actual Unknown Regions, and a game where the true Sith are the dominant faction and how that system and civilasation works (plus maybe more Mandaloruan Wars flashbacks maybe even?
This moment would be like in Portal 2 where glados (the game's antagonist up until this point) gets put in a potato battery and you have to travel with her to escape and survive aperture, all while being sarcastic but not as evil as before (bc story reasons) and because you need to work together.
I wish Kotor 3 would've given you the ability to choose to be a female which would be the jedi exile, or male which would be Revan, with two completely unique game perspectives as you play through
i wanted to see kotor 3 reveals why the exile and darth revan were so immensly powerful compared to the rest of the galaxy, explaining that they ascended through the teachings of the secrets of the trayus academy by being able to mix 2 classes, or ingame explaining how the trayus academy gave one who is a better duelist the ability the become a more potent force user and the other way around, basically the origins of "the one" prophecy by becoming a complete jedi/sith, since the classes (weapon master vs marauder/ watchman vs assasin/ historian vs sith lord) are pretty much identical, explaining that when revan went to the trauys academy he was searching more information about the force just like kreia explained in kotor 2, but what he found was more down to earth, like the secrets of an ancient martial art scriptures in movies. basically he found the best place to learn how to master both the lightsaber art,the force powers art and the stealth powers art, by visiting the trayus academy, he burned into his mind all the secrets and became a savage force, kreia who followed revan path latter, found it as well and passed the knowledge on to the exile. therefore we got to ascend at level 15 to "prestiege" class. when darth revan lost his mind, he became a non force user for a while, which kreia relates to that as POWER, since he followed his ideas and experience, and his creative solutions instead of following the whispers of the force, and by becoming complete, he finally is the strongest being he could be, only matched by the enemis of kotor 3 and the exile who's passed the same trials and errors. both experiencing time without the force as their ally/tool,both being able to learn multiple classes, both finding the faults of the jedi and the sith, both experiencing the tragedy of a loved one lost, for revan it was malak, for the exile it is kreia. both seeing how the force can restore a dark being to the light through love and corrupt a good being into the dark through love, revan to bastila / the exile to atris. both felt how force wounds work, the destructive nature of it, and how it effects the rest of the galaxy. the enemies of kotor 3 should be the progeny of sith masters who bathed in force wounds and became hungrier for it, seeing nihilus in kotor 2 shows us the POWER these guys can have, but also their limited abilities to function properly. i wanted to see in kotor 3 the combination of rakatan force devices combined with the true sith and with rakghouls alchemy. i expected to see in kotor 3 universal scale bosses.wars on relevant planets, planets that we as revan in kotor 1 and the exile in kotor 2 prepared for a battle, dantooine is either united by it's people by the end of kotor 2 or controlled by an army of mercs, telos is united under carth onassi, kashyykk is united under zaalbar, hk factory,dxun with the mandos,manaan regards to revan as a hero for saving their fish god,onderon under queen talia or vaklu, either will help the exile,even m4-78 is under the exile control, so basically the galaxy may be after a decade of war, and there lots of lost people in nar shadda, but they are ready to be recruited into any faction they desire,all under revan and the exile. i expected obsidian kotor 3 to be about how revan and metra giving up the force while using a mass shadow generator like device to win completely. i want to point out 1 last part, if the exile is light side and revan is dark side or the other, i expect this to be the last battle of the game.
Finally you talk about this, thank you. Chris Avellone also said that the fighting would’ve been like Clone Wars 2003 (somehow), would’ve been great imo. Wish this game was made.
I think I mentioned in a previous video but if Exile was again the main character I would love to focus on different aspects of the Force. Example- Unkown Regions Sith had such an influence on the force that it would make Exile weaker (hence player starting on a lower level), and game would focus on the Exile trying to figure out the way to diminish the effects of the dark side on her. I would see 3 paths- using this new dark side and not trying to lose herself to it due to sheer willpower and sense of duty (which would be taught by Revan maybe?) Doing so much good to this part of galaxy (which is suffering greatly under sith command) that it would restore some balance to the force, therefore restoring Exile's more jedi-like powers. And a third, some sort of ezoteric way, Exile style. Perhaps there would be a side quest related to some ancient sith species, that despite being natural born dark siders had a cult destroyed long time ago that would use a new way of the force? Maybe some void powers, negating force effects around them, which would massively debuff force users therefore giving an edge to Exile, who knows how to live outside the force? Each would allow for some different ending, naturally the cool way to do it would be having 5 endings- good "sith" ending, bad "sith" ending (losing herself to the dark side), good jedi ending, bad jedi ending (probably dying at the end because sacrifice and selflessness is the most important, getting way too classic jedi) and exile ending being the fifth, not exactly good or bad but probably canon.
This makes me genuinely tear up. Because it just shows what we could have had. Chris is genuinely a treasure to the Star Wars franchise hands down the best writer they ever had.
I know the ancient history of the Jedi is expanded upon in SWTOR where you get to learn about the Force Wars and the Je’daii Order, but I would’ve loved if Tython was a planet in KOTOR 3 and you learned all those things on a mission to the ancient homeworld of the Jedi. Think about it, if we we’re gonna possibly face off against and learn about ancient Sith, wouldn’t it just make sense to learn about the ancient Jedi in the same game? This is a very biased view as I’m not the biggest SWTOR fan but I think if SWTOR never happened, it would’ve been interesting if one of the things from that game survived in KOTOR 3😅.
I always imagined you'd be playing both Revan and the Exile in kotor 3. Maybe you start out the game as the exile and after you find Revan he recounts what he went through to get to where he is and that's when you take over as him. Then the last part of the game you're both together in the same party.
@@100StarWars Thank you. And btw mery winteringmas to you.) As tradition of the holiday says: "play old games or games that make you feel". I ones again drown to play kotor 😁
@Michael Andrei Palon the original author, Ken Ishikawa, died before he could finish the manga. While the anime adaptation of Getter Robo Arc gave it more of a conclusion than the manga's cliffhanger ending, we will likely never know what Ken Ishikawa fully had in mind.
I remember after playing both KOTOR games, I actually looked up if there was or will ever be a KOTOR 3. I did want that, but knew it would never happen. It would have been awesome if it did happen, showing what was gonna happen to Revan and the Exile in this game and both of them meeting again after so many years. Plus having more callbacks to the films would have been awesome. Plus I wanted to see what the True Sith would be in the original idea. I want to see something about this in the KOTOR remake. Even if they are only mentioned. I don't know if it will happen, but the new canon barely anything on the Old Republic Era and if they decide to make the original idea for the True Sith a reality, I will loose my mind. But that's just me being hopeful.
My friends wanted me to make a Star Wars D&D campaign, and I decided I wanted to build it around the idea of the cancelled KOTOR 3 using information like this along with exploring the galaxy based on the decisions of my personal lore playthrough and my imagination. It may not be KOTOR 3, but it's been really fun trying to figure it out. I'm still planning it, but I have like 200 characters planned along with locations that I feel would be great locations for the story. I wanna tie in events from the Great Hyperspace War all the way to the Dark Wars since they heavily reference things from that era. I am also pulling bits of what I like about SWTOR, but only to repurpose them for my version of the narrative so no killing off Meetra in a anticlimactic fashion and no "spirit Kreia". It's set 5 years after KOTOR 2 and focuses on rebuilding the Republic and Jedi Order, along with exploring the idea of the True Sith Empire with the main narrative hook being that Revan and Meetra disappeared and my 4 players will gradually discover clues about where and why they disappeared as the campaign progressess.
I have an Idea about Kotor III. The Game would take place 500 years after the events of Kotor II, you would play as the echoed one, a Jedi who was sent 300 years ago by the reformed Jedi order to track Darth Zelthron, a Sith Lord obsessed with Prophecy and the findings of Darth Revan. You would wake up in a tomb in a temple where you lost all your connection to the force, besides you are the names of Jedi and Sith scattered throughout the other tombs. Suddenly you would meet a bounty hunter by the name of Taron, who would ask you how you came to be inside the temple as those who ventured in it never came back and then ask who are you at which point you will respond. Taron will guide you to the main city where you will have to find a ship and get out as you are being pursued by Bounty hunters employed by an unknown buyer who wishes you dead, not even captured. Your main task is to find your remnants of your order and track down Zelthron and Revan, along the way there will be multiple plot twists about your nature and that of your companions as well as questions about the force and it's nature as well as the echoes it transmitted before and after your coming. Your main enemy will be a subconscious shadow of your past which you will have to confront to find peace with yourself and the force.
I would have Loved to see the true whereabouts of Revan Part of me likes the idea of being held captive by the True Sith, Although Not the part Where HK is dismantled, T3 destroyed, Meetra killed in treason and Revan imprisioned in Force Stasis for 300 years Also, how Mical and the others restored the Jedi Order under the new teachings of Meetra And finally, to have a full confirnation of Kreia being Arren Kae
Unfortunate what happened but I'm also worried about the remake . I have little to no hope how this remake can be great . We don't know much of nothing outside of the switch of developers.
Awww man! The more I learn about it the more tragic the cancellation feels. xD About the question, few things come to mind as being more interesting than a meeting between Meetra and Revan, though the entire dismantled HK sequence would justify the game's existence. xD I can imagine all the memable line that would come out of it. xD
In my opinion Revan should be the protagonist of the third game. I say that because he’s been the main focus of the first two in a way, so it feels fitting to me that he should be the one to destroy the emperor. Also the Exile should get better treatment. I love SWTOR(I love how Revan and the Exile help you destroy the emperor in the finale) but still I wish we got a KOTOR 3.
@@Steel-101 Yee, and I’ll explain why I say this. Both are important, they’re main protagonist in their own game’s, so having them be dual protagonist in the 3rd game would’ve made everything come full curcal (misspelling).
@@75JUNAKI Great point. Both are very important characters in the story of KOTOR. So it makes sense to give them both plenty of screen time within the game. I still think Revan should deliver the final strike against the emperor though. The feud did start with those two within the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi Civil War. Revan and the emperor mean. Also I think the exile should destroy scourge. I do not like that guy at all in the old republic online game. Seriously I was sick of his arrogant attitude throughout the entire story lol 😂
I would have loved to have seen who was this ultimate boss that you had to defeat. Was it a Brotherhood, an emporor or just a dark Lord of the Sith? God, I would have loved to seen it.
i would have been content with just more of KOTOR 1 and 2. I would not even need a conclusion or tied up ends,really. The journey really is so much more than the destination here. Rich storytelling,new interpretations and places of strange and familiar planets, new characters of strange and familiar races, more exploring, more building of your personalized team.. both these games did so many things so damn right, i'm not sure if i'd rather have a bad sequel or none. I wonder what George Lucas would say if he took part in this conversation, not as someone with a responsibility to provide content but as the father of his brainchild.
@@100StarWars Yeah, i guess i kinda do have this romanticized view of him being the ultimate star wars nerd :D I just finished listening to that Chris Avellone interview you mentioned, his interpretation of KOTOR 3 surely would not have disappointed!
You know what I kind of actually agree with you Knights of the old Republic doesn't actually need a conclusion because we know how the story of Star wars ends in episode 6 remember episode 6 and nothing after that so it kind of makes it kind of fun you can kind of just make up your own story on how it ends
KOTOR 3 not comming out was such a fat miss. Would've loved to interact with a Revan party member and even have that interaction change based on alignment and gender you chose. Comming together to defeat the greater evil wouldve been massive!
I just want to pitch what I think would be a good story concept for kotor 3: pick up starting the game off with Meetra, T3 & HK and switch back and forth between her and Revan and his new allies on the Sith planet until they meet. I would disregard much of the novel up until the final arc, basically have the team defeat the Sith Emperor, then Lord Scourge betrays them and becomes the new Dark Lord to carry on the Sith for generations to come up until The New Sith Wars (2000-1000BBY)
I’m still pretty new to KOTOR 1 & 2 but even I can tell you that the fact that KOTOR 3 doesn’t exist is the most upsetting part of the series. And people who say that SWTOR is a sequel to those games completely miss the issue of not having a complete trilogy. I try to imagine someone seeing A new hope and Empire strikes back then telling them to see The force awakens. People may like TFA but it isn’t a true finale to the original trilogy, and neither is SWTOR a finale to Knights.
Yes, definitely would’ve enjoyed the meeting between Meetra and Revan. I think in the novel she was totally cool with the past and wasn’t resentful toward Revan, but given everything she endured from the Council and being exiled after losing her Force connection and sacrificing her closest friends at Malachor V only to be abandoned by Revan and Malak, I think she’d be a little more conflicted at seeing him again. Would’ve been interesting to explore
Running around with HK-47 on your back spitting out one-liners would've been epic! One of my favorite missions in TSL is in the completion mod when he goes to the droid factory. It sets up the ending perfectly! Not only would I have liked to see the exile meet Revan, but also get more background in what turned Revan and Malak to the dark side. I read the novel and thought it was ok, but it was an obvious set-up for The Old Republic MMO and I would've rather experienced that in a proper KOTOR game.
Amazing and intriguing video my friend!!!!! It's too bad KOTOR 3 was never made because there was so much story potential and action we could have enjoyed from it. Hopefully the KOTOR remake still happens
Thinking about it, KOTOR 3 would have been contemporary with the Mass Effect games, and considering the through-line we had in those games with the save importing, I think the thing I would have been most excited for would be to have my choices through KOTOR 1 and 2 reflected in 3 - they could have made the game supremely replayable by making it short, but giving lots of divergent stories based on your choices in the previous two games.
What I hated most about Meetra and Revan meeting in the novel is that Meetra kinda just fell back into being a follower of Revan after all the growth she had experienced during KOTOR2. She absolutely should of been presented as someone on par, an equal to Revan, as oppose to just "falling back in line." I would of loved to have seen the original plans for how that interaction went as I highly doubt in involved Meetra following Revan as blindly as she did, especially considering blindly following others was something Kreia STRONGLY taught her not to do, and something I felt she would of really learned based on all the events of KOTOR2.
I wish we had the true sith empire and the corrupt nature of the emperor, as well as Revan going full "revenge" mode. Or mb two points of view on this. Mitra could be someone preventing Revan from going all-in sith thing. Imagine the scene. Unknown region, the emperor on his throne and a grey jedi stand before him, just like in the book, but with much more variety in your actions and consequences , not bad, not good, your own. Dreams...
If KOTOR 3 was to ever happen, I'd keep the True Sith Empire being hidden from the galaxy with most of them bring red-skinned Pureblood Sith (with some of the higher ranking Sith human). Their aim is to launch a full scale invasion of the republic. We go to the unknown regions to search for Revan. Revan has found the True Sith and has been engaged in gorilla warfare since the end of KOTOR 1. I'd make the Sith Emperor different to any other Sith, I'd make him relatable with his aims (protecting his people, wanting revenge on the republic who tried to exterminate them) whilst at the same time making him extremely powerful (but not God tier). I'd have multiple endings with one of the choices being able to side with the true Sith and betraying Revan/the Jedi. I'd even go so far as making the True Sith winning the Canon ending hence the "once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy" quote from Sidious. I quite like the idea of all of our efforts through the first 2 games not counting for much from a military perspective (since the republic has been weak for 2 games now - surely a secret Sith Empire would crush them easily) but rather from an ideological perspective, the new Jedi led by the Exile are stronger! The republic might have been conquered but the Jedi are still here.
Just render it like the DC Animated Universe's Near-Apocalypse of '09: *an offscreen moment of awesome, funny, heartwarming, and tragedy.* In the meantime, I'm awaiting the day when anything TOR MMO related becomes an Infinities storyline, as a way to appease the warring camps.
I’m with you. I would’ve loved to see Meetra’s reunion with Revan. Though I think her first move would’ve been to slap Revan in the face for the Jedi Civil War 😂😂. I would’ve also loved to see the True Sith in their intended form, not “Sith Empire 2.0” that we got with SWTOR. And I think the game would’ve given Revan and Meetra a much more fitting epilogue than SWTOR gave them
Would've been interesting to see the conflict for Hk-47 seeing two of his masters and if there would be any circuit failure or whatnot as a result of being in the same room as both of revan and meetra surik
If there was one thing to see in KOTOR III, I'd say flash backs to the mando wars like say there were 3 or 4 side characters the exile and Revan knew from the mando wars that joined the crew and through conversations on the ship the dialogue led to a flashback of missions they served in, like say Bao-dur and the exile had a flashback to malachor V or HK 47 flashed back to when he served with Revan and made Malak the first meatbag, the most interesting would be if the exile and Revan had a flashback mission to see Revan and his time with Kreia
I think one day, 5-10 years from now when video games are beyond our wildest imaginations, these guys in their older age will be approached with the idea to create a third KOTOR that will be the culmination and masterpiece of gaming in all of Star Wars. This is my call, mark my words
I wish that you were able to play the exile and revan in kotor 3 like at some points in the game you switch characters since you would be in the unknown regions which I a large area in the star wars galaxy tho I love playing the exile I would love to play revan again another thing is every your companions from both games and factions (I'll call them) like the jedi, the mandalorian, all the HK-50s the exchange, cercka, would join you in the final battle sadly it will only these two will remain as a fantasy😡
The only thing I don’t like about Chris’s KOTOR 3 is that it wasn’t a dual protagonist game. I would’ve loved to be able to switch between Revan and Meetra to go on different missions and accomplish my goals. Maybe that wasn’t exactly easy or even possible to accomplish back then cuz I have no idea. Regardless, if we ever get a KOTOR 3 in any capacity, I hope it includes the HK backpack buddy moment and allows us to switch between Revan and the Exile. Hell with as far as games have come, maybe we could even sync our files from the remakes and bring our old characters into KOTOR 3 and get unique dialogue based on the choices we made in the previous two games. That is a very ambitious idea and hinges on a lot of different things but the idea alone is so tantalizing that I couldn’t resist putting it out there
I would've liked to see them linking Kreia to the Entity in SWTOR's Sith Warrior's story arc. Might just be wishful thinking but I always had the sense they were intended to be the same character or, in the very least, the same "entity". Considering how the Jedi Exile appears in the game as well, I have more reason than not to believe the Entity *is* Kreia. But I would have loved to see it in the game finale that would have been KoTOR III.
That makes absolutely no sense. Since when was Kreia in love with the Sith Emperor? And The Entity says that her resting place was desecrated, but how could that be possible if Malachor V was destroyed?
@@grimlord3181 It's not such a stretch if you consider that the Emperor wanted to wipe out all life in the Galaxy in order to control the Force and make a new cosmic order. In a way, that is what Kreia wanted for she hated the fact that the Force pre-determined all life's paths and fates, no matter who or what and their situations. And as you know, it is quite rare for a Sith Lord's "essence" or "spirit" to be truly one with the Force post-death. They stubbornly stay behind to try and reach their goals through other means, albeit sometimes they forget who they are. In the midst of this 300 years span and knowing that Vitiate was as powerful as all Force users in the Galaxy combined, I wouldn't put it past him to be able to twist Kreia's broken spirit into the Entity. But again, wishful thinking here.
Can you ever do the story or legend of Darth caedus/ Jacen solo it would likely be long if done right but your the only one who will do it right. Kind of like exar kun or revan. Please I'm begging you, it would be awesome! Pretty please! Your complete story series is awesome.
GameEmployee: Okay you'd like 1 copy of KOTOR3 that will be $60 :) Me: Ok.. GameEmployee: Oh what do you know, it's actually only $50 :D Me: I would've payed $5000 >:L GameEmployee: ok... o_o Me: And Im not fuckin around >:L
It’s so crazy that Disney literally has an EASY billion+ dollar IP that fans have been begging for for 20 years now and they truly won’t allocate the resources to do it.
Good thing Aspyr didn't succeed with the KotOR remake... who knows how they would go about... "modernizing" it. There were modernizing for modern audiences rumor and that's always a red flag. Hope after all them billion $ losses Disney will sell out their assests (as per Kamran Pasha's insider rumor) and Lucasfilm actually ends up back in George Lucas' hands, for pennies at that (maybe few hundred million?). That would be awesome! And then we can talk KotOR remaster, KotOR II remake and Kotor III.
If I wrote Kotor 3, I would have u play as a very new Jedi knight under the new Jedi order and ur master was Atton and he left the order to go after meeyra and he was never seen, so maybe u would go looking for atton or something like that
Old republic mmo should come to consoles with keyboard and mouse options. Kotor 3 should be made it is such a no brainier. Potential amazing game and expansion of the universe. Along with massive sales. I think Disney in regards to things like Starwars perhaps should allow for a sub studio for more adult orientated series and games. Starwars especially would be amazing to allow for more child friendly things but also create more things for adult audiences such as some sith story’s kotor and more
It's truly heartbreaking knowing that we could've got not one, but TWO versions of KOTOR 3 and somehow we ended up with neither. Have you ever heard the tragedy of KOTOR 3? It's not a story Lucasfilm would tell you... ANYWAY, let me know down in the comments your answer to today's question! Really looking forward to reading everyone's thoughts!
If it were me, it's the fact that regardless of the choices you did in the main duology, it always leads to the canonical Legends timeline... take for example, even if you did full Dark Side runs as Revan and the Exile, their tyranny and unabashed evils will be miraculously undone by the offscreen events of this proverbial KotOR III, which then leads us to a dark age with little or no records of it remaining come 138 ABY and things going back to the status quo by the time the New Sith Wars began less than 2,000 years after KotOR II.
Oh, and the origins of the Chiss Ascendancy and its rivals, for one.
When it comes to starwars getting a third game in a series is almost impossible it sucks tbh I am hoping this remake for kotor does so well that we get a sequel and hopefully a 3rd game I’m still hopeful for a battlefront 3
Personally, the thing I would've loved the most would be the story and game play opportunities. Maybe a four man squad like in Dragon Age with both Revan and Meetra as pseudo-maditory-co-PCs with both getting their own solo moments. It would've opened up squad building a bit to have Revan act as a main melee fighter with Meetra acting a a jedi support, T-3 as a solid skill member and another to round things out. Dialog and story would be interesting to balance out but I feel it would've been awesome! Alas... the closest we'll ever get to this is one Flashpoint storyline and a lack luster book...
mate, your scammy telegram bot can't even type telegram properly :D get your shit together, man :D Also- what is a P5 Console? Persona 5 dedicated hardware? xD
Here’s kind of an off subject question that just popped in my head while playing KOTOR 2 tonight. When Mandalore meets Meetra Surik for the first time, he makes a comment about “her army” at Malachor V and that she “seems capable”. That obviously stated he knows she’s a Jedi, and probably that he knew she was in the Mandalorian Wars. Later, Kreia confronts him about their “agreement”. But the question I have is, does he actually know who the Exile is? Or does he just know her as a Jedi that some old woman is coercing him into protecting? Knowing Canderous, and how reverent he was towards Revan in KOTOR I, one would think he’d at least be a little favorable towards Meetra for being Revan’s most capable general (who Kreia remarks is respected by the Mandalorians) and led the force the Mandalorians fought at Malachor V.
We deserve true sequels to knight of the old republic 1 and 2 🥲
Agreed
I was actually making a K.O.T.O.R.3 headcannon/fanfic sequel comic in Clone Wars 2003.
Haven’t done that in month’s, don’t know when I’ll do it.
Idk that’s it.
Totally agreed I’m still sad we never got obsidians KOTOR 3… maybe one day (I hope)
Wait first need the remake of the first one in second on a complete remake to take it bandaged up today's consoles ability and then yes 3,4,5
I love swtor mainly the things with Malgus and the emperor but I feel like they just barely missed with Revan, would have rather seen him die in Kotor 3, I also don’t mind the Revan novel I just don’t like how they pushed Meetra to the side
If the KOTOR remake is successful enough to spawn a KOTOR 2 remake, I really hope that means we can finally get a true KOTOR 3 experience completely separate from SWTOR.
As for my pick for what I'd want in KOTOR 3, I'd have to go with making Revan himself a playable Party Member, finally giving the iconic duo of KOTOR a chance to fight side-by-side. That'd be sick ^-^
Agreed. :D
That was Aspyr's plan, but now they're no longer in control who knows.
Yup. That awful Revan novel needs to be retconned (not that it'll ever happen). The Exile, Revan, and T3-M4 deserve better.
@@KhukuriGod I liked the Revan book. Maybe that's unpopular opinion though. I wonder if kotor 3 would be one the last things Revan would do before he embarked on the novel journey.
@@100StarWars Well money talks, so I guess it all comes down to how well the game will sell :\
Still, I'd really rather they kept Aspyr onboard. Binning them over not liking an attack animation is pretty pathetic |:S
Why did Star Wars games seem to have an anti-trilogy curse during the 2000s? No KOTOR 3, no Battlefront 3, no The Force Unleashed 3 etc...
KOTOR III would have been the battle of 5 armies; The Mandalorians, HK 51s, the Republic, the Jedi, and the true Sith. It would have been endgame.
Playing as the exile would have been cool, you'd get to speak with Revan, discuss Kreia's teachings, maybe you'd get to pick who comes with you, new companions as previous ones take on boss roles. Baestila/ Mical leading the jedi, HK 47 leading the HK 51s, Carth leading the Republic, Canderous as Mandalore. Would be epic to see.
Basically, Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 3. A cliche, but damn, is it not a worthwhile experience.
There are hints throughout the game, via the inclusion of certain items and weapons, as well as the presence of the True Sith in the Unknown Regions, that the Chiss may have gotten involved as well as an adversary of the Sith.
Not gonna lie, this got me hyped up
Especially seeing more of Canderous as Mandalore
Okay, the comparison to the battle of 5 armies is perfect.
@@MotleyNerd the republic/Jedi chiss and mandalorians teaming up to fight the true Sith? Sounds epic as hell
Another hilarious reference to the Empire Strikes Back in the canceled KOTOR 3 would have been:
Atton Rand: *Is seized by the Sith and taken to be frozen in carbonite*
Meetra Surik: "I love you..."
Atton Rand: *Smiles* "I know..."
HK dismantled: "Observation: I think the disgusting moans I hear you making on the ship make this exchange pretty obvious, don't you think?"
Meetra Surik: "I AM GOING TO TURN YOUR REMAINS INTO SCRAP AND GIVE THEM AS A TOY TO THE SON OF REVAN AND BASTILA"
HK dismantled: "Please, not the little meatbag..." 😢
Yee
It’s like poetry it rhymes
"Han, give it up, if you haven't eaten her face now, you never will!"
Even without further nod to ESB, HK being strapped to the Exile would’ve been funny enough. Chewie was big enough *not* to be hindered by 3PO, as well as 3PO made of light metals. HK was taller than the Exile, looked to be of heavier plates of metal. Even with the Force, the Exile would be putting in a whole lot of effort to carry HK, maybe hunched over even. Imagine the Exile hunched over, barely able to move all because of a broken robot that weighs a few hundred pounds.
Exile: “If you were a person, you need to go on diet.“
HK: “Offended statement: I take great offense to that, I do not weigh that much. Perhaps it’s you are are weak.”
Could be the same with the Male Exile and Brianna or Visas lol
What I wished we got out of a KOTOR 3 the most is seeing how the foundation of both sith and Jedi grew from the teachings of Revan. Obviously Revan’s philosophy was far more sith then what we think of as lightside, but every learned force user alive was directly involved or learned from someone close to Revan. Revan was the shatterpoont of the force.
Yes seeing a new Jedi order or order of force wielders using revans teachings and led by him and the Jedi exile wouldve been awesome! I don’t think the Revanites in SWTOR really capture or follow revans teachings accurately
2:45 I always found the relationship of HK and T3 a bit underrated, with that pair being C-3PO and R2 from the Old Republic, but with the roles reversed. While C-3PO is a coward who only thinks of staying away from the fight because of his status as a simple translator and R2 is an intrepid adventurer who wants to make the best of life, HK craves the complete destruction and anarchy of the Galaxy in as opposed to T3's kind-hearted and compassionate nature. Both couples, despite being of different natures, have in common how well their opposing personalities create a great chemistry and even a unadmitted friendship.
But does HK have a higher death count than R2? :P
I just wanted to see Revan being a badasse from the perspective of everyone else
All I wanted was kotor 3 but instead I got a cost of living crisis and global warming.
C-3PO after being dismembered: "Oh man. How worthless I feel now being turned into junk..."
HK-47 after being dismembered: "Well, let's see if you can give me now some difficulty" *DOOM music kicks in*
HK-47: "Mocking query: Is that all you got, you sorry excuses for meatbag assassins? Statement: I am in utter shock of how useless these Sith are, Master! They were supposed to be better."
Consider the droids and the one to carry them. 3PO looks like he has lighter plates of metal, and is carried by someone who isn’t bothered by his weight. Then there’s HK, his metal plates looks thicker and heavier, he’s taller than the Exile, never mind Revan. Either the Exile or Revan trying to carry HK would require the Force, or else they wouldn’t be able to move.
HK: “Exasperated statement: master, is this the best you can do?”
Exile: “If you were a person, you need to go on diet!”
HK: “Shocked statement: I do not weigh that much. Suggestion: Perhaps it is you who is too weak.”
We got to bring Kotor 3 to life somehow
I cannot believe they passed up the golden merchandising opportunity that is an HK-47 backpack. I would have killed for that. Or, rather, I would have sent my assassin droid to kill for that.
I can just imagine HK-47 bemoaning being carried by inferior meatbag legs. Shooting targets while being and listening to his comments would have been an on-rails section I would gladly play.
At least the HK jetpack existed in Galaxys lmao
It’s crazy that Obsidian made two incredible games with rushed develop deadlines (Kotor 2 and Fallout NV). On top of that they’re still making great games like Pentiment and The Outer Worlds. It’s a shame Chris Avellone is no longer there but they still have tremendous talent with guys like Josh Sawyer.
Sawyer has no talent and outerworlds is bad
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The Outer Worlds is trash.
I would like to have the exile and revan in the group as playable characters
This is hard evidence that we are living in the worst timeline
Would’ve been cool to see a segment of the mandalorian wars. Revan and Surik meeting, like you said, and at least one mission/battle, like Dxun. Could even be from the perspective of Canderous. It’s a pretty significant era of the universe that doesn’t have enough coverage.
This is something I hope we get in the remake: flashback missions a la Halo 3 ODST style
Battles like Dxun, Serroco or Malachor V
Imagine relieving the Order to activate the Mass Shadow Generator or playing as Revan in his duel against Mandalore The Ultimate
Would be awesome
I agree the meeting between Exile and Revan would have been the highlight, especially if you meet him like you do in the vision on Korriban, with him wearing his iconic robes and mask, and you don't know whether he will try to kill you or not.
Also, seeing the new Sith. I like the idea of the Sith from Kotor 2 being just the tip of the iceberg in terms of power and creepiness. It would great starting the game with all the power from the previous games, and having to fight these overpowered monster Sith.
My third would be Revan's reunion with Bastila and Carth.
The start of the exiles order and have decisions impact how it establishes itself as you effect the places you go etc
And here's me waiting on a Kotor 2 remake so I can replay it just so I can simp for Visas even more.
I respect that.
@@100StarWars Thank you kind sir.
And I respect that you respect me.
This is such a shame, would of loved to hear "Statement" or "Melancholic Interjection" multiple times dragging HK along.
I personally would of loved to see a game in the actual Unknown Regions, and a game where the true Sith are the dominant faction and how that system and civilasation works (plus maybe more Mandaloruan Wars flashbacks maybe even?
This moment would be like in Portal 2 where glados (the game's antagonist up until this point) gets put in a potato battery and you have to travel with her to escape and survive aperture, all while being sarcastic but not as evil as before (bc story reasons) and because you need to work together.
Hahahaha
Honestly, I wish they never killed revan off in the book. Such a pointless way to kill off such a fan loved character
He was killed off in The Old Republic MMO; not the book.
I wish Kotor 3 would've given you the ability to choose to be a female which would be the jedi exile, or male which would be Revan, with two completely unique game perspectives as you play through
i wanted to see kotor 3 reveals why the exile and darth revan were so immensly powerful compared to the rest of the galaxy, explaining that they ascended through the teachings of the secrets of the trayus academy by being able to mix 2 classes, or ingame explaining how the trayus academy gave one who is a better duelist the ability the become a more potent force user and the other way around, basically the origins of "the one" prophecy by becoming a complete jedi/sith, since the classes (weapon master vs marauder/ watchman vs assasin/ historian vs sith lord) are pretty much identical, explaining that when revan went to the trauys academy he was searching more information about the force just like kreia explained in kotor 2, but what he found was more down to earth, like the secrets of an ancient martial art scriptures in movies. basically he found the best place to learn how to master both the lightsaber art,the force powers art and the stealth powers art, by visiting the trayus academy, he burned into his mind all the secrets and became a savage force, kreia who followed revan path latter, found it as well and passed the knowledge on to the exile.
therefore we got to ascend at level 15 to "prestiege" class.
when darth revan lost his mind, he became a non force user for a while, which kreia relates to that as POWER, since he followed his ideas and experience, and his creative solutions instead of following the whispers of the force, and by becoming complete, he finally is the strongest being he could be, only matched by the enemis of kotor 3 and the exile who's passed the same trials and errors.
both experiencing time without the force as their ally/tool,both being able to learn multiple classes, both finding the faults of the jedi and the sith, both experiencing the tragedy of a loved one lost, for revan it was malak, for the exile it is kreia.
both seeing how the force can restore a dark being to the light through love and corrupt a good being into the dark through love, revan to bastila / the exile to atris.
both felt how force wounds work, the destructive nature of it, and how it effects the rest of the galaxy.
the enemies of kotor 3 should be the progeny of sith masters who bathed in force wounds and became hungrier for it, seeing nihilus in kotor 2 shows us the POWER these guys can have, but also their limited abilities to function properly.
i wanted to see in kotor 3 the combination of rakatan force devices combined with the true sith and with rakghouls alchemy.
i expected to see in kotor 3 universal scale bosses.wars on relevant planets, planets that we as revan in kotor 1 and the exile in kotor 2 prepared for a battle, dantooine is either united by it's people by the end of kotor 2 or controlled by an army of mercs, telos is united under carth onassi, kashyykk is united under zaalbar, hk factory,dxun with the mandos,manaan regards to revan as a hero for saving their fish god,onderon under queen talia or vaklu, either will help the exile,even m4-78 is under the exile control, so basically the galaxy may be after a decade of war, and there lots of lost people in nar shadda, but they are ready to be recruited into any faction they desire,all under revan and the exile.
i expected obsidian kotor 3 to be about how revan and metra giving up the force while using a mass shadow generator like device to win completely.
i want to point out 1 last part, if the exile is light side and revan is dark side or the other, i expect this to be the last battle of the game.
I would keep HK as my permanent backpack fire support! It would be highly effective and the commentary would be hilarious.
Finally you talk about this, thank you.
Chris Avellone also said that the fighting would’ve been like Clone Wars 2003 (somehow), would’ve been great imo.
Wish this game was made.
I think I mentioned in a previous video but if Exile was again the main character I would love to focus on different aspects of the Force.
Example- Unkown Regions Sith had such an influence on the force that it would make Exile weaker (hence player starting on a lower level), and game would focus on the Exile trying to figure out the way to diminish the effects of the dark side on her.
I would see 3 paths- using this new dark side and not trying to lose herself to it due to sheer willpower and sense of duty (which would be taught by Revan maybe?)
Doing so much good to this part of galaxy (which is suffering greatly under sith command) that it would restore some balance to the force, therefore restoring Exile's more jedi-like powers.
And a third, some sort of ezoteric way, Exile style. Perhaps there would be a side quest related to some ancient sith species, that despite being natural born dark siders had a cult destroyed long time ago that would use a new way of the force? Maybe some void powers, negating force effects around them, which would massively debuff force users therefore giving an edge to Exile, who knows how to live outside the force?
Each would allow for some different ending, naturally the cool way to do it would be having 5 endings- good "sith" ending, bad "sith" ending (losing herself to the dark side), good jedi ending, bad jedi ending (probably dying at the end because sacrifice and selflessness is the most important, getting way too classic jedi) and exile ending being the fifth, not exactly good or bad but probably canon.
This makes me genuinely tear up. Because it just shows what we could have had. Chris is genuinely a treasure to the Star Wars franchise hands down the best writer they ever had.
I know the ancient history of the Jedi is expanded upon in SWTOR where you get to learn about the Force Wars and the Je’daii Order, but I would’ve loved if Tython was a planet in KOTOR 3 and you learned all those things on a mission to the ancient homeworld of the Jedi. Think about it, if we we’re gonna possibly face off against and learn about ancient Sith, wouldn’t it just make sense to learn about the ancient Jedi in the same game? This is a very biased view as I’m not the biggest SWTOR fan but I think if SWTOR never happened, it would’ve been interesting if one of the things from that game survived in KOTOR 3😅.
I always imagined you'd be playing both Revan and the Exile in kotor 3. Maybe you start out the game as the exile and after you find Revan he recounts what he went through to get to where he is and that's when you take over as him. Then the last part of the game you're both together in the same party.
Tbh, Revan is much more interesting as a mysterious NPC than as playable character
I wish Larian would make a star wars game. If there is any possibility of a star wars rpg than it should be given to Larian studio
Larian is SUCH a good choice and I agree wholeheartedly.
@@100StarWars Thank you. And btw mery winteringmas to you.) As tradition of the holiday says: "play old games or games that make you feel". I ones again drown to play kotor 😁
I like to think that KOTOR 3 is also the ending to the Getter Robo manga.
Both had very similar cliffhanger endings.
Didn't Getter Robo have sequels in the form of some anime?
@Michael Andrei Palon the original author, Ken Ishikawa, died before he could finish the manga.
While the anime adaptation of Getter Robo Arc gave it more of a conclusion than the manga's cliffhanger ending, we will likely never know what Ken Ishikawa fully had in mind.
sadly chris avallone has been cancelled so we will never get the kotor 3 that was originally cancelled
I remember after playing both KOTOR games, I actually looked up if there was or will ever be a KOTOR 3. I did want that, but knew it would never happen. It would have been awesome if it did happen, showing what was gonna happen to Revan and the Exile in this game and both of them meeting again after so many years. Plus having more callbacks to the films would have been awesome. Plus I wanted to see what the True Sith would be in the original idea. I want to see something about this in the KOTOR remake. Even if they are only mentioned. I don't know if it will happen, but the new canon barely anything on the Old Republic Era and if they decide to make the original idea for the True Sith a reality, I will loose my mind. But that's just me being hopeful.
I really just wanted to see their third iteration of weapon customization.
My friends wanted me to make a Star Wars D&D campaign, and I decided I wanted to build it around the idea of the cancelled KOTOR 3 using information like this along with exploring the galaxy based on the decisions of my personal lore playthrough and my imagination. It may not be KOTOR 3, but it's been really fun trying to figure it out. I'm still planning it, but I have like 200 characters planned along with locations that I feel would be great locations for the story. I wanna tie in events from the Great Hyperspace War all the way to the Dark Wars since they heavily reference things from that era. I am also pulling bits of what I like about SWTOR, but only to repurpose them for my version of the narrative so no killing off Meetra in a anticlimactic fashion and no "spirit Kreia". It's set 5 years after KOTOR 2 and focuses on rebuilding the Republic and Jedi Order, along with exploring the idea of the True Sith Empire with the main narrative hook being that Revan and Meetra disappeared and my 4 players will gradually discover clues about where and why they disappeared as the campaign progressess.
i would gladly play this campaign.
What I wanted to see the most from a KoTOR 3? A real in-depth look into Sith society. I mean really, what is the day of an average citizen like there?
I have an Idea about Kotor III.
The Game would take place 500 years after the events of Kotor II, you would play as the echoed one, a Jedi who was sent 300 years ago by the reformed Jedi order to track Darth Zelthron, a Sith Lord obsessed with Prophecy and the findings of Darth Revan.
You would wake up in a tomb in a temple where you lost all your connection to the force, besides you are the names of Jedi and Sith scattered throughout the other tombs.
Suddenly you would meet a bounty hunter by the name of Taron, who would ask you how you came to be inside the temple as those who ventured in it never came back and then ask who are you at which point you will respond.
Taron will guide you to the main city where you will have to find a ship and get out as you are being pursued by Bounty hunters employed by an unknown buyer who wishes you dead, not even captured.
Your main task is to find your remnants of your order and track down Zelthron and Revan, along the way there will be multiple plot twists about your nature and that of your companions as well as questions about the force and it's nature as well as the echoes it transmitted before and after your coming.
Your main enemy will be a subconscious shadow of your past which you will have to confront to find peace with yourself and the force.
very very grim, for certain.
I would have Loved to see the true whereabouts of Revan
Part of me likes the idea of being held captive by the True Sith, Although Not the part Where HK is dismantled, T3 destroyed, Meetra killed in treason and Revan imprisioned in Force Stasis for 300 years
Also, how Mical and the others restored the Jedi Order under the new teachings of Meetra
And finally, to have a full confirnation of Kreia being Arren Kae
Unfortunate what happened but I'm also worried about the remake . I have little to no hope how this remake can be great . We don't know much of nothing outside of the switch of developers.
Awww man! The more I learn about it the more tragic the cancellation feels. xD
About the question, few things come to mind as being more interesting than a meeting between Meetra and Revan, though the entire dismantled HK sequence would justify the game's existence. xD I can imagine all the memable line that would come out of it. xD
The MEEEMEEES uff
Too bad i wanted Kotor 3 so bad... :(
Didn't we all bro... :(
The Meatbag-Clanker Duo of Exile-HK would indeed have been among the best moments of Star Wars.
We say we will never see it but I am optimistic! If they remake 2 we could get a true sequel!!!
That was the plan :(
In my opinion Revan should be the protagonist of the third game. I say that because he’s been the main focus of the first two in a way, so it feels fitting to me that he should be the one to destroy the emperor. Also the Exile should get better treatment. I love SWTOR(I love how Revan and the Exile help you destroy the emperor in the finale) but still I wish we got a KOTOR 3.
I think both Prodgial Knight Revan & The Exile should’ve been the dual protagonist’s of K.O.T.O.R.3.
@@75JUNAKIThat’s even better 😎👍🏼
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Yee, and I’ll explain why I say this.
Both are important, they’re main protagonist in their own game’s, so having them be dual protagonist in the 3rd game would’ve made everything come full curcal (misspelling).
@@75JUNAKI Great point. Both are very important characters in the story of KOTOR. So it makes sense to give them both plenty of screen time within the game. I still think Revan should deliver the final strike against the emperor though. The feud did start with those two within the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi Civil War. Revan and the emperor mean. Also I think the exile should destroy scourge. I do not like that guy at all in the old republic online game. Seriously I was sick of his arrogant attitude throughout the entire story lol 😂
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Yee
i still hope if kotor remake 1 and 2 are a big suceed we can have the third one
Only time will tell.
I would have loved to have seen who was this ultimate boss that you had to defeat. Was it a Brotherhood, an emporor or just a dark Lord of the Sith? God, I would have loved to seen it.
Emperor I would imagine.
i would have been content with just more of KOTOR 1 and 2. I would not even need a conclusion or tied up ends,really. The journey really is so much more than the destination here.
Rich storytelling,new interpretations and places of strange and familiar planets, new characters of strange and familiar races, more exploring, more building of your personalized team.. both these games did so many things so damn right, i'm not sure if i'd rather have a bad sequel or none. I wonder what George Lucas would say if he took part in this conversation, not as someone with a responsibility to provide content but as the father of his brainchild.
I sadly think George wouldn't care haha
@@100StarWars Yeah, i guess i kinda do have this romanticized view of him being the ultimate star wars nerd :D
I just finished listening to that Chris Avellone interview you mentioned, his interpretation of KOTOR 3 surely would not have disappointed!
@@100StarWars KOTOR doesn't really fit in with George's backstory for Star Wars anyway.
You know what I kind of actually agree with you Knights of the old Republic doesn't actually need a conclusion because we know how the story of Star wars ends in episode 6 remember episode 6 and nothing after that so it kind of makes it kind of fun you can kind of just make up your own story on how it ends
KotOR II gave me the impression that Revan and the Exile didn't exactly get along.
KOTOR 3 not comming out was such a fat miss. Would've loved to interact with a Revan party member and even have that interaction change based on alignment and gender you chose. Comming together to defeat the greater evil wouldve been massive!
I think the reason HK-47 is so popular is because of his dark sense of humour, which you don't see anywhere else in SW.
I just want to pitch what I think would be a good story concept for kotor 3: pick up starting the game off with Meetra, T3 & HK and switch back and forth between her and Revan and his new allies on the Sith planet until they meet. I would disregard much of the novel up until the final arc, basically have the team defeat the Sith Emperor, then Lord Scourge betrays them and becomes the new Dark Lord to carry on the Sith for generations to come up until The New Sith Wars (2000-1000BBY)
I’m still pretty new to KOTOR 1 & 2 but even I can tell you that the fact that KOTOR 3 doesn’t exist is the most upsetting part of the series. And people who say that SWTOR is a sequel to those games completely miss the issue of not having a complete trilogy. I try to imagine someone seeing A new hope and Empire strikes back then telling them to see The force awakens. People may like TFA but it isn’t a true finale to the original trilogy, and neither is SWTOR a finale to Knights.
Yes, definitely would’ve enjoyed the meeting between Meetra and Revan. I think in the novel she was totally cool with the past and wasn’t resentful toward Revan, but given everything she endured from the Council and being exiled after losing her Force connection and sacrificing her closest friends at Malachor V only to be abandoned by Revan and Malak, I think she’d be a little more conflicted at seeing him again. Would’ve been interesting to explore
Think I would have lost my mind if I was exile again
"Systems failing, Master"
Running around with HK-47 on your back spitting out one-liners would've been epic! One of my favorite missions in TSL is in the completion mod when he goes to the droid factory. It sets up the ending perfectly!
Not only would I have liked to see the exile meet Revan, but also get more background in what turned Revan and Malak to the dark side. I read the novel and thought it was ok, but it was an obvious set-up for The Old Republic MMO and I would've rather experienced that in a proper KOTOR game.
I would have loved to see more of the companions from kotor !!!
I truly enjoyed the world building and was looking forward to seeing the various cultures and aliens
Amazing and intriguing video my friend!!!!! It's too bad KOTOR 3 was never made because there was so much story potential and action we could have enjoyed from it. Hopefully the KOTOR remake still happens
Thinking about it, KOTOR 3 would have been contemporary with the Mass Effect games, and considering the through-line we had in those games with the save importing, I think the thing I would have been most excited for would be to have my choices through KOTOR 1 and 2 reflected in 3 - they could have made the game supremely replayable by making it short, but giving lots of divergent stories based on your choices in the previous two games.
What I hated most about Meetra and Revan meeting in the novel is that Meetra kinda just fell back into being a follower of Revan after all the growth she had experienced during KOTOR2. She absolutely should of been presented as someone on par, an equal to Revan, as oppose to just "falling back in line." I would of loved to have seen the original plans for how that interaction went as I highly doubt in involved Meetra following Revan as blindly as she did, especially considering blindly following others was something Kreia STRONGLY taught her not to do, and something I felt she would of really learned based on all the events of KOTOR2.
I wish we had the true sith empire and the corrupt nature of the emperor, as well as Revan going full "revenge" mode. Or mb two points of view on this. Mitra could be someone preventing Revan from going all-in sith thing. Imagine the scene. Unknown region, the emperor on his throne and a grey jedi stand before him, just like in the book, but with much more variety in your actions and consequences , not bad, not good, your own. Dreams...
I would like to see how they figured Meetrs had to start from level 1 or even the first interaction with Scourge.
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20 years later and we STILL need the sequel, atleast the plot and story, a fan can remake it from there
If KOTOR 3 was to ever happen, I'd keep the True Sith Empire being hidden from the galaxy with most of them bring red-skinned Pureblood Sith (with some of the higher ranking Sith human). Their aim is to launch a full scale invasion of the republic. We go to the unknown regions to search for Revan. Revan has found the True Sith and has been engaged in gorilla warfare since the end of KOTOR 1. I'd make the Sith Emperor different to any other Sith, I'd make him relatable with his aims (protecting his people, wanting revenge on the republic who tried to exterminate them) whilst at the same time making him extremely powerful (but not God tier). I'd have multiple endings with one of the choices being able to side with the true Sith and betraying Revan/the Jedi. I'd even go so far as making the True Sith winning the Canon ending hence the "once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy" quote from Sidious. I quite like the idea of all of our efforts through the first 2 games not counting for much from a military perspective (since the republic has been weak for 2 games now - surely a secret Sith Empire would crush them easily) but rather from an ideological perspective, the new Jedi led by the Exile are stronger! The republic might have been conquered but the Jedi are still here.
I wonder who could work as an original player avatar for Kotor 3? 🤔
I can only imagine what T3 would have to say about that if he is with you as a companion 😂
I'd really like you to do a series on how you imagine Kotor III
Just render it like the DC Animated Universe's Near-Apocalypse of '09: *an offscreen moment of awesome, funny, heartwarming, and tragedy.*
In the meantime, I'm awaiting the day when anything TOR MMO related becomes an Infinities storyline, as a way to appease the warring camps.
TOR will become Infinities at the same time as Disney sequels. I think Darth Bane was onto something with the Rule of Two.
I’m with you. I would’ve loved to see Meetra’s reunion with Revan. Though I think her first move would’ve been to slap Revan in the face for the Jedi Civil War 😂😂. I would’ve also loved to see the True Sith in their intended form, not “Sith Empire 2.0” that we got with SWTOR. And I think the game would’ve given Revan and Meetra a much more fitting epilogue than SWTOR gave them
Would've been interesting to see the conflict for Hk-47 seeing two of his masters and if there would be any circuit failure or whatnot as a result of being in the same room as both of revan and meetra surik
If there was one thing to see in KOTOR III, I'd say flash backs to the mando wars like say there were 3 or 4 side characters the exile and Revan knew from the mando wars that joined the crew and through conversations on the ship the dialogue led to a flashback of missions they served in, like say Bao-dur and the exile had a flashback to malachor V or HK 47 flashed back to when he served with Revan and made Malak the first meatbag, the most interesting would be if the exile and Revan had a flashback mission to see Revan and his time with Kreia
I don't like how revan was handled in swtor, or kotfe, but I really do love swtor.
Matter of fact I'm ok with no KotOR 3. Let's just start with 1 remake with 2023 graphics and work our way up.
I think one day, 5-10 years from now when video games are beyond our wildest imaginations, these guys in their older age will be approached with the idea to create a third KOTOR that will be the culmination and masterpiece of gaming in all of Star Wars. This is my call, mark my words
The Old Republic doesn't come close to Kotor.
Tragedy of the Darth Kotor the Unfinished.
Right now I'm just hoping they do the kotor remake justice but it's not looking too good right now
Honestly, I'd be excited to see a Kotor style SW game from Larian studios as well.
I wish that you were able to play the exile and revan in kotor 3 like at some points in the game you switch characters since you would be in the unknown regions which I a large area in the star wars galaxy tho I love playing the exile I would love to play revan again another thing is every your companions from both games and factions (I'll call them) like the jedi, the mandalorian, all the HK-50s the exchange, cercka, would join you in the final battle sadly it will only these two will remain as a fantasy😡
If we can get Harvey Weinstein's bedpan to make a Star Wars show, we can get a KOTOR 3.
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Are we not going to have a KOTOR remake? If thats succesful maybe it will catapult KOTOR 3 in the making?
The only thing I don’t like about Chris’s KOTOR 3 is that it wasn’t a dual protagonist game. I would’ve loved to be able to switch between Revan and Meetra to go on different missions and accomplish my goals. Maybe that wasn’t exactly easy or even possible to accomplish back then cuz I have no idea. Regardless, if we ever get a KOTOR 3 in any capacity, I hope it includes the HK backpack buddy moment and allows us to switch between Revan and the Exile. Hell with as far as games have come, maybe we could even sync our files from the remakes and bring our old characters into KOTOR 3 and get unique dialogue based on the choices we made in the previous two games. That is a very ambitious idea and hinges on a lot of different things but the idea alone is so tantalizing that I couldn’t resist putting it out there
I would've liked to see them linking Kreia to the Entity in SWTOR's Sith Warrior's story arc. Might just be wishful thinking but I always had the sense they were intended to be the same character or, in the very least, the same "entity". Considering how the Jedi Exile appears in the game as well, I have more reason than not to believe the Entity *is* Kreia. But I would have loved to see it in the game finale that would have been KoTOR III.
That makes absolutely no sense. Since when was Kreia in love with the Sith Emperor? And The Entity says that her resting place was desecrated, but how could that be possible if Malachor V was destroyed?
@@grimlord3181 It's not such a stretch if you consider that the Emperor wanted to wipe out all life in the Galaxy in order to control the Force and make a new cosmic order. In a way, that is what Kreia wanted for she hated the fact that the Force pre-determined all life's paths and fates, no matter who or what and their situations. And as you know, it is quite rare for a Sith Lord's "essence" or "spirit" to be truly one with the Force post-death. They stubbornly stay behind to try and reach their goals through other means, albeit sometimes they forget who they are. In the midst of this 300 years span and knowing that Vitiate was as powerful as all Force users in the Galaxy combined, I wouldn't put it past him to be able to twist Kreia's broken spirit into the Entity. But again, wishful thinking here.
They turned swtor into kotor 3
Definitely a relationship between Atton and Meetra
I think besides having HK and T3 return maybe having Aton return as well, but every character should return in some aspect or another.
Can you ever do the story or legend of Darth caedus/ Jacen solo it would likely be long if done right but your the only one who will do it right. Kind of like exar kun or revan. Please I'm begging you, it would be awesome! Pretty please! Your complete story series is awesome.
GameEmployee: Okay you'd like 1 copy of KOTOR3 that will be $60 :)
Me: Ok..
GameEmployee: Oh what do you know, it's actually only $50 :D
Me: I would've payed $5000 >:L
GameEmployee: ok... o_o
Me: And Im not fuckin around >:L
Imagine if Darth Sion was redeemable and joined the Jedi
I never used HK-47 in kotor 1 or 2 because I never liked the assassin droid
It’s so crazy that Disney literally has an EASY billion+ dollar IP that fans have been begging for for 20 years now and they truly won’t allocate the resources to do it.
Good thing Aspyr didn't succeed with the KotOR remake... who knows how they would go about... "modernizing" it. There were modernizing for modern audiences rumor and that's always a red flag. Hope after all them billion $ losses Disney will sell out their assests (as per Kamran Pasha's insider rumor) and Lucasfilm actually ends up back in George Lucas' hands, for pennies at that (maybe few hundred million?). That would be awesome! And then we can talk KotOR remaster, KotOR II remake and Kotor III.
If I wrote Kotor 3, I would have u play as a very new Jedi knight under the new Jedi order and ur master was Atton and he left the order to go after meeyra and he was never seen, so maybe u would go looking for atton or something like that
I need HK dismantled on my back
i wish we had KOTOR3
Old republic mmo should come to consoles with keyboard and mouse options. Kotor 3 should be made it is such a no brainier. Potential amazing game and expansion of the universe. Along with massive sales. I think Disney in regards to things like Starwars perhaps should allow for a sub studio for more adult orientated series and games. Starwars especially would be amazing to allow for more child friendly things but also create more things for adult audiences such as some sith story’s kotor and more