1 Year with an Energica Ribelle
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🏍 Bikes: 2022 Energica Eva Ribelle RS
🥝 Location: New Zealand
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:30 Acceleration
2:27 Sound
3:12 Handling
4:09 Suspension
4:31 Brakes
5:07 Range
5:57 Charging
7:20 Options
8:21 Final Thoughts
Thanks for watching!
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Haha right? Half review half promo ad. It's hard not to!
Everyone always on about range anxiety, but with a bike like this all I care about is how many smiles per gallon it gets.
Haha yep! It delivers all the smiles :D
@@NewZeroland I bought the side bags and didn't even think about the range hit, I should get a tank bag for my next trip, great idea, and test the difference
Sam, this is the best video ever! Honest, real and based on the real world. I’m with you, electric bikes are sick. Happy birthday!
Cheers bro!! When's the next road trip??
Scary fast is very appropriate, I thought the 13.4 ego was pretty fast, but this is on a whole different level. I look forward to many more years of awesome videos of you making me even more excited about this new electric world
Thanks bro! It really is the ultimate. Some things can always be better, but the power is more than enough XD
Thank you very much for you input it's really valuable especially coming from someone who has the experience I have an electric motorcycle too that I practically made it myself so I can totally understand what you're saying about Energica
Thanks for watching! They're all so different and most are built for different uses, but so far this one ticks all the boxes amazingly.. and scares you haha.
I recently did 840 miles on my LiveWire in two days, and like you, most of my stops were 20-30 mins. After a while that’s just not long enough 😆 I felt like as soon as I caught my breath it was time to get back on the road again. The time at those stops goes very quickly, and I think people underestimate an average stop time at the petrol station.
Right?? Nowadays it's common to wait in line at the gas station for at least 10-15min, then filling takes another 5min.. if you need the bathroom or wanna buy snacks, that's another 10min. So really I guess it's not too different unless you're a "splash and dash" kinda rider.
I almost bought the LiveWire last year instead of the Energica, but was turned off by the charging. How many kilowatts can the LiveWire charge at? I'm seriously impressed you traveled 840 miles in two days. Also, when I was in college I would time my petrol stops at 6 minutes, but as an adult with family I found my stops were literally 40 MINUTES at gas stations, I mean... HOW? So 20 minutes at a charging station is really really fast.
@@bikeelectric4821 🤣🤣🤣but those are some high quality 40 minutes though 😆 peak charging rate is 22kW, but it’s a set curve by SoC, the charging rates are set. You will only see peak charging speeds at the low end of SoC.
@@bikeelectric4821 It's similar for the Livewire, the time is the same.
One thing we are not considering is that with an electric bike you are forced to take many small stops, so over the time you may feel that 30 minutes is not long enough, but in a long run with fairly limited time* you don't have budget for longer stops when you want/need it.
For example, let's say you have 5 stops, each of 30 minutes (we know it's not going to happen, but take that for simplicity). It means 2h30m of stops.
If you stop for 1 hour, you are basically wasting the time for a recharging stop so you bring the time to 3h.
On a gas bike you may have like 4 stops (because of longer range, and I'm generous), which take 5 minutes each for 20 minutes. If you stop for 1 hour, your total is 1h20m (and here I'm not subtracting refuelling, as that's an active action you cannot complete while eating :P ).
Overall, many small stops are worse than one long one.
* about limited time, right now I'm planning a long run of 2000 miles in 48 hours from the Iron Butt Association, I have about 10 hours budget. With electric, if it were possible, I couldn't set aside a couple of hours to rest as it's already taken by charging stops.
💯 on point as always. Enjoy the anniversary 🎉
Cheers bro!
happy Enerversary (you see what i did thar?)
Remember when I mentioned to you that I was walking down a side street in Welly, and turned around to see S's Energica go past on the main street? That was entirely due to hearing that distinctive Energica sound and turning around as a result, something I'd only previously heard on CZcams videos, but it is that distinctive! My Super Soco TC Max not so much on the sound, but at least with its belt it has more than the previous hub-motor bike that I used to have :)
Yes!! It might draw too much attention 😂 but I like it. Your TC Max is the best commuter ever.
@@NewZeroland You're going to have to do another road trip up here and see my new TC Max, I'm absolutely loving it :)
Great review! I agree with your comments on the bike. Fortunately, I haven't experienced the problems with the brake rotors yet on my Energica but it's definitely happened with the Brembo rotors on my Moto Guzzi Norge. I'm still surprised how many motorcycle people have not heard of Energica. I guess they see electric and totally dismiss it as not a real motorcycle. Every once in awhile I'll run into someone who knows what they are and I get barraged with questions about the bike. That does seem to happen more frequently now than when I first got the bike last April.
I need to post your review on Facebook so my riding buddies get a better understanding of what the bike is about.
I like all of the Energica branded things you were wearing in the review. Energica needs a merch store. I haven't been able to find anything outside of some sketchy looking online T-shirt sites.
Thanks man! I really appreciate it. And yep, everybody has heard of Zeros, but very few know about Energica. They come with old range and charging figures from some article they read 5 years ago, and have no idea how far the bikes have advanced.
Energica totally needs a merch store!! We raided their promotional stash at the factory haha, but that was the only way to get stuff! Hopefully they open up an online store soon.
Congrats on your milestone.
Enjoy the ride!
Thank you!
🎂 Happy Ribelliversary Sam! ⚡️
Great to see another video from yah, Sam.
Cheers man!! How's that Porsche going? When's the next race??
Great video, thanks for the info.
Cheers!
Was awesome Ty
Happy Ribelleversary Sam, thanks for sharing your journeys, I want one but I'm thinking that maybe the Experia is more my style. 🙂
Thanks! Yeah honestly I should give them a tie for best electric motorcycle. The Experia even gets way more range, so maybe it wins 😂
Great video m8 🤟 thanks for sharing it
Cheers!
GREAT REVIEW!
Thanks!
Awesome review man!
Thanks!
Hey Sam,
absolutely right. These are the best bikes.
I just made a 2700km trip through my homecountry germany and I must sah that a 30 minute (maximum) charging stop most of the times has been a wellcome break for my old butt. 😉
Go on making such great videos.
🖐
Haha good point! I guess I should have talked about range in terms of time on the road. My "range" seems to be 2 hours at a time, so I guess stopping for 30min isn't too bad.
Great review mate!
Cheers!
Nice upload as usual, thanks.
Well, on my 3rd main battery on my SRS, 3rd 12v battery, 2 replaced chargers, 3rd display, 3rd set of discs, 2nd front wheel, 2nd mirror, two breakdowns due to water, 1 complete cut out in the dry pulling away from traffic lights, 1 unable to restart after public charger and pushed 1/4 mile back, 2nd set of sprockets, 3rd belt and paint starting to flake off motor... Apart from that I still love this bike but have lost faith in its reliability.
Zero refused me a mileage adjusted refund under the UK sales of goods act 1979 so am about to go down a legal rabbit hole that my lawyers have said I'd have no problem winning. Watch this space for the "reveal all" upload when all is done. ☺
😲 holy crap man! That's a lot. Sounds like you had the full Zero experience. I'm so sorry. Can't wait for the video though haha.
7:52 ditto on those heated grips. So nice to have in the winter months. Ask Chris to send you a switch and grips and a tutorial on how to wire it into the bike’s main harness. Mine were added after I took possession of the bike. I made a planned stop in the Bay at Enérgica’s HQ to have Chris add them and iirc, it took maybe around 2 hours. As far as heat settings go, I just leave them on max.
Great point! I might. They're totally worth it.
Hi Sam! Thank you for this great review and all your Energica videos (especially the NZ road trips - I love it ❤). I'm this 🤏 close to buying the EsseEsse 9+. I have two very practical questions for which you might be the right person to answer:
1. How do you apply chain care? My Suzuki Bandit, I can just put on the main stand, switch to neutral and move the rear wheel by hand. The Energicas neither have a main stand nor a neutral gear. How do you do that?
2. Can you park it on a slope, i.e. will the motor provide enough resistance even when switched off?
Thank you and best regards from Munich (if you ever happen to be near Munich I would love to show you the Alps 😎)!
Hey awesome! Thanks for watching 😁 You'll either need a rear wheel stand (paddock stand that lifts the swingarm) or do the roll-and-spray if you're out on a trip. Unfortunately there still isn't a parking brake so I'd recommend not parking on a slope facing down. Some people have installed Bullet Brakes, and those seem to work. Good luck!
I want one!!!!!!!! Two many projects on the go sucking up the money's. I will be getting back on the bike eventually and its cool to know that these bikes have set the standard and now it better than good - and it can only get better from here.
Absolutely! I'm super happy with mine, but I'll probably trade it in for whatever they come out with next haha
Better Than Other Video
Aw thanks :D
i got my 21 Rebelle finally today!!! You were a huge reason for my Zero and this one thanks Sam for your work🔥
No way! Congrats 😁 I would say welcome to the club, but you were already in it. Which color did you get??
@@NewZerolandMine is grey bro just crossed 11000 miles!
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Congrats on your ‘21 Ribelle.
Welcome to the club! 🇮🇹⚡️
3:06 sweeeeeet sound. Nice
Zeeeooooooom!
👏👏👏 Very good video Sam, If all Energica's reviews would be as honest, and informative as yours there will be a lot more of them on the road!
Thanks bro! I found myself just making a promotional ad for the bike and not reviewing it XD so hopefully I said enough about my personal experience with it. Good and bad, but mostly good.
@@NewZeroland As an owner like you, with similar motorcycle ownership background, I would have said the same good and bad stuff, so spot on!
@@NewZeroland I have 15000km on Ribelle RS. Your review is spot on! One item to add is the chain noise. Some strange engineering there from Energica with rub points. But love the bike!
@@audun1290 they definitely need a lot more maintenance than other electrics. I've had to adjust the chain a few times over the past year. Lots and lots of lube, too haha.
@@NewZeroland Really? I have not had that much problems with mine, maybe every 1.5 to 2 k miles the chain need tweaking, but how is that compared to an ICE, and of course your riding style I am sure affects that too. If you are a fan of G force take offs, I bet that stretches the chain a bit too, no matter what you are riding.
Hey, Sam. Great video and you saved me the bother of doing a similar one! 😅
I'm with you on pretty much all of these conclusions. I would say I picked the keyed version to avoid any reported issues with the keyless, and I really don't mind the conventional key, but then my whole immobiliser unit packed up and I realised that if I'd had the keyless one I could have started the bike with a PIN.
I reckon that Energica should make the PIN an option on the keyed ones as a back-up too.
Thanks, John! That's a great idea. They'd still need some kind of button to turn the screen on so you could enter the PIN, but that'd be cool to have on all the bikes. Here's to 10k more!
First! How time flies when you travel through it.
Thanks - loving you vids.
Fast and heavy - what does it do to your tyres, what sort of useful distance are you getting. Drive gear also.. ?
I think the power makes up for the weight, so it feels lighter than it is. Tyres seem to last around 10k km's. Not sure about the chain.
My Enrgica Evu Rebell RS 2022 ? , was delivered 2021 Sep.
This is true, this is a electric beast!
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Awesome! Glad you're still having fun with it!
Great video! I still want an Energica Ego+. I love my Livewire and i'm getting close to 16k in a year and 5 months. But having no Level 2 option for trips is a bit of a bummer. I think the only thing LW has over any other moto ev is that the turtle mode doesn't kick in till the battery is super low. Helps when you're riding and the battery life is draining quickly. But congrats on the anniversary! You guys rock!
THAT is something I'm super jealous about. The Livewire can still make full power until like 3% and I have no idea how they did that! Sometimes I'm at 25% and limp mode already kicks in.
125mi/charge is actually a bit more than most rockets I've ridden. Seriously impressive bike, great video!
Thanks man! Yeah at least over here where the speed limit is so strictly enforced, 125 miles means 2 hours of riding. After that I need a break anyway 😂
oh, that's good info, I just assumed all gas bikes got 400 miles range (I've never owned a gas bike)
@@bikeelectric4821 only cruisers and big touring bikes like BMWs. Most gas bikes only get around 150 miles.
Boooo! need more Beat videos! Lol. Loved how you laid out all the pros and cons of the bikes. I might have to look into one when i get back on 2 wheels
HAHA this is the opposite comment I'm getting on my Beat videos XD I think this channel will eventually transform into 90% car conversion content, and I'm excited about that!
Nice video
Hi from Slovenija👍👍👍👍👍
Hvala za ogled!
Hey Sam, we rented a couple of these last weekend and must confess we were blow away. Unfortunately here in Australia, all the DC fast charging is on the coast and most of the twisty bike roads are inland where DC charging is far and few between. Hopefully, in the next few years things change with more charging infrastructure.
Hey nice! Glad you had fun on them. It feels like we're still early adopters when it comes to the charging infrastructure, but I hope things get better soon.
I guess the best way to look at it is, things can only get better from here on now
I am not into sport bikes but this one definitely looks and feels awesome. I commute on an old Honda Magna VF750 muscle bike, and decided some time ago that my next one will probably be electric. BUT. I have not seen anything I liked yet, in terms of the size and seating position. Do you know why nobody makes comfortable electric cruisers? The closest attempt was Tacita T-Cruise introduced 6 years ago, but they seem to have failed to lauch so far.
Sadly nobody makes an electric cruiser yet. The closest one might be the Evoke 6061, but it isn't out yet, and I'm not sure about Evoke's build quality. The most standard style riding position is probably a Livewire. I liked that one a lot.
Tellement de points importants relevés ! Avec les 100.000km en Zéro S j'ai enfin le permis pour passer sur une Energica ❤ c'est sûrement le but ultime d'une quêtes pour un motard électrique 😅 Merci de la vidéo 😊
Ouah! C'est impressionnant. J'ai besoin de rouler plus. Hahaha XD
5:13 yeah, the windscreen doesn't do much... but against the rain, it makes a huge difference on the clarity of the screen!
True, and hiding behind it in the rain is pretty nice.
"Where we're going we don't need windscreens." - Doctor Emmett Brown
rain.. bugs.. and wintery wind 🌬️
1:16 - 1:23 Damn Straight It Is! 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Yeah!!
Funny you should mention the 30min DC-charge dilemma. Same thing with our Renault Zoé ("50kW" DC, more like 45 and decreasing), the optimal combination to go to my wife's parents (500km) is to make two 30min stops so you don't waste time in the 80-100% region, however it means eating a sandwich, and being bored on next stop. This summer we took the 15 min + 1h option, so we could have a proper restaurant break with the kids, even if it's sub-optimal.
Good point! We need faster charging. Even 15min would be doable. Quick enough to stretch your legs and get back on the road again.
Dude well said. Everything you said about yours matches with what I feel about mine. I got mine just like your wife's, right when yall got them. I love it!
Cheers man! I'm glad you're still liking yours 😁 They're such insane machines.
I've been eyeing this after randomly finding a used one about 10 hours away, not even a year old, for a hefty discount since the high price is a hard sell. Its definitely an upgrade over a Zero, though I wish it had a belt instead of chain, for less maintenance. For the high price, I honestly expected the battery to also be liquid cooled, especially with its performance. Honestly still on the fence because no dealer in my area, which means no way to get service or warranty work. And just watching your video on changing the oil, thats waay too much work just for an oil change. That alone is already making me consider a Zero again. At the end of the day, it still suffers from low range. My usual weekend rides are 100+ miles, riding in canyons pushing it hard. So it'll get less than the average 125 miles, much less than any ice bike I've owned, which have been mostly sport bikes around the 200 mile range. And then the charging time... anyone else I ride with will already be filled up while they're waiting on me. Well, they'll be waiting on me because I need to charge and they have fuel to go another 80 miles easily. And thats assuming wherever we go has a level 3 charger for the quickest possibility. I truly do want an electric bike, I already have a Tesla, so I'm 100% for electric. And honestly with what has been released over the past decade, I feel like Tesla would be the only capable to bring out an electric motorcycle that would actually get people to switch and for a good price. Otherwise such electric motorcycles are priced more than cars.
15 minutes are really a sweet spot. You get a break from having a sore ass but not so much that it's pointless. I have a BMW CE04 and I love it. No DC charging but it's a city bike. Regardless I did 3000km in a little bit over a month. It's a lot of fun. The AC charging would be to slow for me on the Energica, as I have to charge on the street with public chargers, and DC is not very common.
Yeah hopefully a future model can charge faster. I have no doubt Energica will be the ones to do it! 50kW DC and 6kW AC! Let's gooooo haha
Damn mate, I bought my Zero SR because of your videos. I still really like it, but I miss fast charging options so badly. I'm looking forward to buy an Energica, hopefully I can get one soon. This seems so cool! And I agree, every other bike feels garbage after having some serious throttle response and always available blasts of torque!
Sadly I fell a couple months ago, luckily no big damage.. But my "14 SR would have been better off with traction control.. I wasn't even full on the throttle, but after driving away I made a spin and fell over :(
Aw maaaan.. I've seen so many videos of that happening on Zeros. Hopefully it wasn't too banged up. I can't suggest Energicas enough. They're soooo good! Happy riding out there :)
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Nice video, Sam. Agree that E2W are great. I think my LiveWire is just as fast 1/4 mile. I imagine from its Italian heritage the Energica does handle like my Multistrada and so better than the LiveWire, which does have Brembos by the way. LiveWire will only DC fast charge at 13Kw so you win there but LiveWire battery is liquid-cooled...when I get back to New Zealand I really must drop by for a closer look.I guess the main thing is that E2W now has real choice.😀
Nice!! Man honestly the Livewire is up there as one of my favs. It should DC charge at 20kW, no?? The battery isn't liquid cooled, but Harley did an amazing job designing it. Limp mode doesn't even happen until like 3% battery, which blows my mind!
Good review, just seems they are not able to expand dealer network wise and also no meaningful production numbers to bring the cost down.
Cheers! They're still a small company so I'm sure it'll happen eventually.
You didn't mention price in this video, but I think it's worth mentioning the "upcharge" to go with a energica over a comparable super naked isn't that much compared to electric cars vs gas cars. The US site for energica lists the ribelle MSRP at $25k while a similarly spec'd bmw S1000R is around 22k or Ducati Streetfighter V4 at $22k. Imagine if someone was cross shopping a $22k Civic but they could get a fully EV Civic for $25k, a bit of a no brainer.
Dude, that is a GREAT point! It's hard to compare range and charging speed, and even 210hp vs 170hp is a huge leap (how the hell does the Streetfighter V4 have so much power??) but the Energica's torque makes up for it. If you charge at night for super cheap or use free charging stations and then subtract all the Ducati maintenance cost, electric wins pretty quick haha.
You can't get fully EV Civic so not sure what you're talking about.. Either you want electric or you don't - not really worth comparing to ICE.
the problem i see with electric motorcycle (for me at least) is also the whole range and having to wait for recharge but what do you do in rainy days?
if you gotta stop to recharge during pouring rain will the water ruin the charger? what if you dont have anywhere to take cover while it charges (if its just a parking lot with chargers)
Yeah for rainy days you have to plug in and go hang out in a cafe or something. There aren't covered charging spots here yet. I don't mind much though because 99% of my charging is at home in the garage.
holdup, you're in NZ? Are there any dealerships around Auckland where these can be test driven?
Sadly the only way to get these right now is via the Australian Electric Motor Co, but they're working on setting up a dealership here.
thanks, I still stay with my Zero S, too fast for me just the 11hours charging a bit boring when going to 230km+ trips, hard to find wall socket for the night
Oh man! Have you though about aftermarket chargers?
@@NewZeroland no, just the official 6kW charge tank plus a wire to factory bottom charger so 7.3kW, but also need to make a lots of cables and plugs as I am at EU and 3phase type-2 is the AC here. Bike is new and to stay under warranty I have to order official stuff and local dealer should install so double the price compared to USA dealer.
I have a one phase to schucko adapter so I charge at 1.3kW max at stations.
@@fotoamgamgfoto3695 hey that's awesome! 7.3kW is amazing for a Zero. That's what most of the new ones have anyway.
Great video Sam!. I saw a review of a gas powered Harley over here with references made to Zero (👎) and Energica. Thought of you and Jen straight away. How much in NZ is an Energica now? I'll be there in just over 5 weeks time sadly I think it will be my last time. I really enjoy all your bike videos. Riding over here isn't safe and at my age now isn't even worth thinking about. Thanks again.😊
Whoa awesome! I hope the weather plays nice for you. It's cooooold down in Wellington, but hopefully a bit warmer up north. Energicas are $55k-60k NZD here, so they're still out of reach for most people, sadly.
@@NewZeroland and you have two!! or well you have one, Gen has two.
@@earthwormandruw oh I didn't buy mine from NZ hahaha. Importing stuff always seems to be cheaper, sadly.
@@NewZeroland Oh shoot I didn't know they were for sale there, I thought it was only importing as an option. I'm guessing importing one lies between msrp and NZ pricing? Damn Zero in Cali has a promo going until Aug 15 for like 20% off their bikes. I love the specs of the DSR w/charge tank but your reviews of the company have me basically putting Zero in the "never buy" category. Buying a new bike soon and it's basically between a Piaggio Bevery 400 or a BMW CE 04. Both fit my needs but the gas is way more comfortable for road trips, which I only realistically do once a year.
@@earthwormandruw NZ gets all their electrics from Australia now, which is easier than buying from the US, but more expensive. Technically it's all importing, I guess. Dude! The BMW CE 04 looks amazing and I've heard great reviews. It's like 600lbs though, so you'll have to let me know what you think. I still haven't seen one in person!
My CE-04 also has a good high pitch noise it makes. Part motor, part belt noise I guess.
Oh cool, I didn't realize those were belt-drive. Does it sound similar to a Zero or Livewire?
@@NewZeroland I have ridden a zero SRF but not live wire. It does sound like the zero.
I have an EVA and a Ducati Multistrada in my garage. I can just say my Ducati is getting dusty 😅 And it’s sooo loud in my helmet when i take it out 😓Not counting i have to change gears 🤣(So old school lol)
Haha it's hard going back! 😂 The Multistrada is a cool bike though, and longer trips are still way easier with gas. Hopefully soon the gap will be less.
I'd really like to own an Energica one day. I've recently started on my licence, and i'm currently in the prosess of trying to get my hands on an 2021 Zero FXS. Do you have any tips for cleaning a Zero? I know zero's don't really like getting wet, but I live very close to the ocean, so i'm going to have to clean the bike to avoid rust build up. It also rains a ton here, so I guess i'm also wondering if you have any water-proofing tips?
Hey nice! The FXS is a super fun bike. You'll love it 😁 I like using CLR as a protective coat on stuff, but just spraying a rag and wiping it down regularly should help a lot. Good luck!
@@NewZeroland Thank you! I tok delivery today, and It's insanely cool in-person. It currently has the blinking red triangle light, and is a little dirty, so i'll probably go over it later today. Can't wait to ride it
@@DYNOSRR uh oh, red triangle?? Not just the kickstand warning? You can toggle through the dash buttons to see what error code it is, I think. Hopefully it's not too serious. Just a word of caution.. Zeros don't like getting wet 😂 They will light up the dash with errors if you wash them or ride in heavy rain.
Thankfully it wasn’t. The former owner washed it yesterday, and the bike really didn’t like that. Everything seems to be fine now though, no more red lights atleast. I’m really looking forward to see what it’s like living with it. On average we get about 230 rainy days a year, but I think it’ll work out just fine.
Cup Cakes for the win.
Energica, Energica, Energica, Energica, (£20,000 More than the BMW S1000RR ) GULP
Still want a Energica. Will my piggy bank ever get that full. Hope So.
Love the fact you drive on the LEFT, like normal people. 🤪
Thanks once again,
Hahaha are S1000RRs only £5k? Us left-driving people have to stick together! Barely any countries do this XD
@@NewZeroland OPPS Wrong Year
Energica Eva Ribelle RS - 2022 (22 reg) £27,990
BMW S1000RR M Sport ABS Super Sports Petrol Manual (204 bhp) 999cc 2021 (21 reg) £22,500
BMW S1000RR Petrol Manual (193 bhp) 999cc 2011 (11 reg) £6,990
Snowie exits stage on the left. Zooooom
@@MrSnowMen I'd love to compare a used electric bike to a used gas bike but they haven't even existed since 2011.
You should check Ola S1 Pro an electric scooter in India. It's super awesome
Nice!! Thanks for letting me know 😁
I took the Energica EsseEsse9 out on a test ride and liked it alot, it's insanly quick! But they are way too expensive! The Eva Ribelle costs more than 28000 euros here in Sweden (we have no tax reduction on ev's). The Energica model i want, the Experia costs 29 000 euros without any panniers. With the touring pack the price is 31000 euros.... 31k for a motorcycle! To me thats's insane!
Yep, that's a lot of money. Some electric CARS are cheaper 😂 It all depends on how much you'll use it. If you ride everyday for long distances, it will save you lots of petrol money and could be worth it. If you don't ride much, it makes more sense to buy a used Zero or something.
Would love to experience one! The only three reasons I don't have one are: cost; range/charging speed+infrastructure; and nowhere to keep a really nice bike.
Recently upgraded to a Blackbird, which is an awesome thing and probably still has the upper hand for high speed cruising. They're a 10 second bike as standard, though that likely requires more skill than I have. Thing is, you can get 10 of them for the price of an Energica. 🤣
Haha yeah, it's hard to compare gas to electric prices because there isn't much of a used market for them yet. Unless someone is looking for a new bike, it still makes more financial sense to buy an old gas bike.
@@NewZeroland exactly so. And unfortunately new is simply out of reach for me.
Well, you’re not looking bad for all the meat pies. I should probably go test ride an ene-gee-ca soon 🤔
Haha doooo it! It'll blow your mind XD
To me the biggest issue is not the range or how fast it charges....it's the price new or used. Imagine what kind of ice bike you can buy for say 5 grand 2nd hand and there is nothing in electric.
One other thing I used to ride in groups of 3 - 8 bikes. Kinda impossible right now with electrics.
Yeah, the used electric motorcycle market only exists in the US, where you can find $5k Zeros. You're right about group rides, too. The fast charging infrastructure on this side of the world is way behind.
how long is the BATTERY LIFE EXPECTANTCY? And how much to replace it - 2 things that would be a big part of me getting one of these or i dont .
You'd have to ask Energica that. I think the highest mileage Energica is like 40k because they're still so new, but they don't lose capacity very fast. That rider is still getting the same range he did when he got it.
Not same brand but similar battery tech, I have a 2020 SRS I bought new in 2020, now has close to 50k miles. The battery capacity hasnt reduced enough to tell the difference but its more sensitive to heating up. When new I could go as fast as I wanted with no issue, but now 10 minutes steady of 90+ mph makes it thermal limit me. Im 200lb, in full gear, and also have side and top cases, so that doesnt help
How would you approach selecting between the SS9, Ribelle, and Ego?
It's mostly riding position, although the SS9 has a little less power. That one is the most comfortable (unless you go with the Experia touring bike), then the Ribelle, then the Ego, which get gradually more racey.
@@NewZeroland How long did you feel like you could ride on your Ribelle comfortably? It's a little hard to get these impressions since most of the motorcyclists to ask locally are in a different age bracket. I'm trying to figure out if the Ribelle RS or SS9 RS makes more sense.
@@katherinesilens2994 if you sit upright and want to ride all day long, I'd suggest either an SS9 or Experia. If you're more of a sporty twisty road rider, the Ribelle is awesome. I've ridden mine 600km in a day and it wasn't that uncomfortable.. just tiring.
On the charging, remember no matter WHAT bike you have, the last say 10 percent is going to sluff off for balancing the batteries etc. NO bike is going to slam up to 100 percent at full speed then just stop. The fast charge IS nice though. 30 minutes really is not too bad, and of course everyone wants faster faster, everyone is so impatient nowadays, I think humanity has become spoiled.
The only real complaint I have with mine is the keyfob error message can get really annoying sometimes, but thats really, I guess you could call it cosmetic, it does not hurt performance a bit.
On the windscreen, their racing bike has a HUGE wind screen, I wonder if you could order one and put it on the Ribelle or is it just too totally different?
The only thing Id like to really see is a faster AC charge. Pair a few of their existing chargers and pump it up to 6-7 kw or so. That's still 30 amps or less off the mains, which is pretty much the standard breaker for 240 VAC so would really not be a huge strain on your house, nor an exorbitant expense like when I wired in my 30kw fast charger at home and had to breaker it at 155 Amps.
Good video here, thank you
Aaron
Cheers man! I agree. They need a 6kW AC charger in the next bikes. I'd be totally fine with a 30min full charge like the 13.4kWh batteries could do, but the new packs would need liquid cooling. We'll see what they come out with in the future. I'm glad to hear you're still liking yours!
wow, 10,000 km! my 1 year old Energica SS9 RS has only 2500 miles (4000km for everyone who's not in the USA), I need to get out and ride more!
wait, it's the metric system, aren't we supposed to reduce 10,000 kilometers to megameters? would that be "10 Mm"?
@@bikeelectric4821 hahaha yeah I guess I'm only at 6k miles, which is half what most people ride. So you and me both need to get out more 😂
Yeah, I've been really wanting one of these energicas, but I live in Canada where they don't sell them for some reason? Also, importing one would be over half my annual take-home pay. How the heck do you afford these as an animator? I make more than most animators as an engineer. :(
My SR-F is a little disappointing compared to my old Yamaha R1 though. Level 2 chargers are rarely somewhere nice to spend an hour plus.
Haha I feel ya. There are a few Energicas in Canada now, but all privately imported. I took out a loan like everybody else 😂 It's very much a "this is why I'm broke" situation.
@@NewZeroland haha, that makes sense! 😅
I love it, but in Canada, there doesn’t appear to be any dealers and the ribelle sells over the border for $25k US… ($35k+ Canadian )😬…
I make a good wage, but that’s a ton of disposable to be shelling out.
I feel ya man. They sell for $50k NZD here and there still aren't any dealers.. but the bike was worth it for me.
Can’t say it’s the best if u had tried the rest! There are many high end motorcycles companies out there! Had you rode the verge?
Verge has barely shipped any bikes so far and doesn't have the same kind of performance Energicas have. And if you say Damon next, those don't exist 😂
I still think back to doing 800 km in a day on the Zero, with 160 km of range at 60 km/h and 6 kW charging and I'm blown away by these.
Yes, 50 kW charging would be great, but wow, 24 would be so awesome.
True! Imagine your aero on an Energica. You could get like 300km on a charge at 100km/h :O
Realistically speaking Li based battery chemistries can only be charged at what RC model hobbists call 1C aka. 1 hour to nominal capacity.
Energica is pretty much at said limit (with sane safety margin).
What remains to be seen is active cooling of batteriea, as that pretty much necessary for lasting battery in hot climates.
Mind you currently there are pretty much no electric cras made, that lack charging with 1C, ir battery thermal manadgement.
...sadly zero is a travesty. There is no other way to call artificially limiting battery charging speeda below what the battery cells can take.
@@martonlerant5672 the original Energicas charged at almost 2C and never overheated, so it's possible with just air channels to cool the cells. Liquid-cooling could help the new ones charge faster than 2C.
Hey Im 1.68 in hight, is the RS model to big for me?
Yeah my wife is that exact height and the Ribelle is a bit too tall for her. Energica lowered it and put a shorter seat on it and it's still a bit tall. The SS9 is slightly shorter, but the weight is a lot to handle. Take one for a test ride and see what you think!
I like it silent. Does the sound come from the chain?
@@GeneCash Doesn't the Zero have a gearcase?
@@chesshooligan1282 No, it is direct motor to wheel via belt and sprockets
I think the reduction gearbox was partly because the motor is too big to fit directly in-line with the rear wheel (so they mounted it higher with gears to bring the power lower down) and partly to engineer a sound that would be fun to listen to at MotoE.
Loud reduction gears save lives 😁
@@NewZerolandElectric motor physical size and weight is directly related to torque. If they did not use reduction gear, the motor would be a big beast for same power. The sprocket ratio is not sufficient alone.
If these weren't 30k I'd definitely consider one
Used 21.5kWh Ribelles in great condition can be occasionally be found between 10-15k USD. A ‘21 Ribelle like mine was recently listed FS for 10k. Rare price for a rare bike, but is possible to obtain a used one at a reasonable price if the timing is right. I’d have bought it, but I already have one 😅
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Maybe someday these bikes will have solid state batteries. That will solve a lot of issues with range and charge time. Unfortunately, I'll probably be dead or too old to ride at that point.
Man people have been talking about solid state batteries for a decade and we're still waiting. I've given up hope. We can at least liquid-cool them though. Then we can charge as fast as cars can already.
8:04, I like my screen. (Skip to bottom of comment for tldr conclusion)
I personally don’t mind looking through the screen while cruising in light traffic for maximum aero efficiency. I can immediately see the Wh/m, or Wh/km change favorably when fully tucking behind the screen, plus the wind noise is dramatically quieter when lowering my helmet just enough for air to flow over the top of my helmet (my Scorpion R1 helmet’s duck tail and Dainese race-humped jacket may play its own role).
I have found it’s easier my me to achieve an optimal tucking position with the screen adjusted to its highest position. I also find that on long multi state trips, resting my chest and helmet on my tank bag makes maintaining this position for long durations more comfortable.
I also acknowledge that my physical size undoubtedly helps. So far, I have yet to find anyone get the range or efficiency I get on my non-EMCE Ribelle. The closest I’ve seen any other Enérgica rider get range-wise was Gabe in his EMCE Ego. (He and I have near identical max range figures - he’s also a little taller than me fwiw). Further helps we are both on the skinny side, and being able to tuck in our body bits a more than our taller, ahem, muscular brethren. I’ve further verified this on side by side rides with better efficiency compared to the other Enérgica riders *with* my panniers attached, while the other riders had backpacks and/or tail bags.
As a result, I personally believe the windscreen helps with efficiency, but only perhaps in situations where the rider is of a size that can tuck the majority of their knees, elbows, arms, chest, feet, and head close enough to the bike’s fairing and behind the fairing.
I’ve also noticed that the distance my helmet is from the windscreen front to back plays it’s part in smoother air flow. Too close or too far, additional turbulence is created and the real time Wh/m reflects that. For my body size, about 3” from the screen edge is optimal for me, with the screen’s top lining up to just above to the top of my helmet’s visor. I also sometimes use a cone shaped tail bag to help with reducing turbulence.
If all of what I was doing with body position, tucking, placing a cone shaped bag in the pillion and so on, only amounted to a 5% efficiency gain, even that would be worth it imo. Case in point; my personal best is 162 miles (100% SOC to 2%) at freeway speeds (cruise control set at 67mph indicated, which we all know is more like 61mph actual, and in the right-most lane), on the 10 with minimal elevation changes, wind speeds
Oh yeah for sure! If I tucked the whole time I guarantee the windscreen would make a difference, but wow 162 miles is IMPRESSIVE!! I need to get back out there and try hypermiling it. The speed limits here are strictly enforced to like 62-65mph so that should help the range, but there are so many massive elevation changes that I feel it would be a challenge. A fun challenge though!
While rangenis nice.
I cannot honeatlynagree that 61 mph (98kmh) is highway speed.
In the EU you get 130km/h (81mph) highway speed limit.
Wirh the speeds you propose as highway speeda you would be upholding semi-trucks/lorries in the rightmost lane - to say the least thats not exactly a life insurance.
@@martonlerant5672 here in the US, we don’t have a minimum speed one must travel on interstates, but rather, laws that stare you must not impede traffic of 3 vehicles or more.
I live in a rural area with many lanes of travel and vehicles, including trucks, can easily go around if necessary. Doing cruise control range runs at 61mph is no big deal on the stretches of highway I live next to. I understand it may not be the same in metropolis areas or in some countries. Nor do I expect everyone’s motorways to be as level or as straight. We have lots of straight boring roads in the southwestern deserts of the United States, making test runs like the ones I’ve done a breeze, especially on a Sunday morning when most people are still asleep.
@@evolv.e
Good for US folks i guess.
I am simply stating that the 61 mph speed is too low for Europe, and even China or India. Since bikes is expected to be sold globally, its a tad bit misleading to base range claims on regional markets with slowest speeds.
@@martonlerant5672 tell that to the EPA 😂 their seriously flawed testing and number crunching method says I can officially achieve 250 miles on my ‘21 Enérgica. About half that is more like it in the real world. That said, it *is* possible to get 250 miles on a single charge, but you’d have absolutely zero fun doing it.
You militant environmentalist, you. (Just showing you that I actually watched the entire clip)
😂 Dude! Thanks haha, glad you enjoyed it. Not nearly enough explosions though, I know. Next time.
2020 ss9+ here - i bought it on may 2022 as demo bike with 750km on odometer - in july 2023 i got 18000km - battery or bms failed - 3 weeks passed in service and I dont know anything :(
Oh no! It's back at the factory? I hope they can fix it for you. Please keep me posted.
@@NewZeroland I left bike in place where I bought it (my dealer isnt a dealer anymore) but they said they talk with energica - but besides this i dont know anything yet
@@NewZeroland 7 weeks now :( - still no bike) :(
@@duniek86 eeee yikes. Did they give you an update? Have you asked Stefano or Chris about it?
@@NewZeroland I only have contact with the dealer - after FULL 6 weeks passed (on wednesday) I asked about refund (by law they have 1month for repair, so I think I was more than patient )- and they gave me only quick reply about "little more patience" I am really tired of this situation - first days in october is end of season here (15*C max, about 5*C at night) - and already I lost a lot of it :(
Sam im sorry to inform i own the same bike as you do (with keyless) and after not even HALF A YEAR it is DEAD! it just wont start.
my mechanic told me it may be a voltage converter(he is from the dealership that i got the bike from, but they dont really know what to do with it) they ended up doing diagnostics remotley from italy!
(its a new bike so the dealership will fix it under warranty)
Aw man! Sorry to hear that. I've heard they have new DC-DC converters so it would be good to upgrade that. Hopefully Energica can fix it for you.
@@NewZeroland Hopefully. tell me something else - is it possible to get to 240 kmh like the EGO by changing the software or is there any hardware difference?
@@vakama539348 technically yes, but you need Energica to do it for you.
@@NewZeroland are you going to try it? ha ha
@@vakama539348 I'd love to haha but there's no Energica dealer in my country :[
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I would own an electric motorcycle if I could find one that is similar to my Low Rider ST... as in I want wind protection and bags. I would pay CVO prices for an electric Electra Glide
Now if Energica could find a way to have a metro Atlanta dealership I might change my mind and buy a nekkid bike....
I truly don't expect electric bikes to take off until they are liquid cooled to account for weather and charging issues
A big touring electric cruiser would be cool. I'm surprised Harley hasn't built one yet. Sadly the closest Energica dealers are in North Carolina or Florida, but that would be a fun road trip!
3:03 interesting.. I had always likened it to the sound of a Star Wars Speeder Bike, but then I listened to a clip of a Speeder Bike, then a clip of tie fighters chasing the Millenium Falcon czcams.com/video/mSvPxNopdHs/video.html and found an Enérgica does indeed sound more like a tie fighter, but also like the Millenium Falcon at the 19 second mark. In either case, and possibly because I’m a Star Wars fan, Enérgicas sound cool!
Haha good point! Ribellenium Falconergica? O_O nah that was a stretch.
I can't get over the weight.....that is why my second EV moto was another ZeroSR 1st gen.
Yeah those early Zeros (before they called the SRF an SR) were so fun! So light and fast. I think if Zero put an SR motor/controller in the FXE, I'd buy one.
@@NewZeroland I agree! Modified 140kg Zero DS 7.2 around town is unbeatable!
Pineapple 💯 goes on pizza. 😎
That's Italian kryptonite!
fantastic bike, shame the price is equally fantastic lol.
Haha yep, it's one of those "you get what you pay for" situations.
So, now we need an electric scooter in the form of a Kymco 500 or a Suzuki Burgman that has the same performance as a Zero or Energica and costs less than $10k US.
Electric all the things!
Why are you saying that there is nothing better? Ok, I know you had older version of Ego, but newest has the exactly the same specs like Eva, same power, torque, even the same weight (Energica site has them both at 260kg). Only difference is the design, and sorry, but I find Ego much much better looking. So, am I missing something or they are the same bike with Ego having superior estetics? Therefore there IS, or MAY be something better outhere. And it's Eva's pretty sibling.
Oh yeah subjectively the Ego could be the better choice if you want a full fairing sportbike and a higher top speed.
While I"m happy for NewZeroland on his new bike, I hate NewZeroland because I'm still riding my 2017 Zero SR. I got it used (with only 1,900 miles on it), for $10k US. I just don't have the money to get a Energica Experia. And so far, all my attempts to get the money via lotto have failed miserably... Sigh... maybe someday....
🤣 No worries man! Your 2017 SR is the best Zero year in my opinion.
@@NewZeroland Well, that makes me feel a fraction better. Love the channel, keep up the great work...
0:58 but I like pineapple on pizza! 🤓
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Dammit, your videos always make me want to get a motorcycle license! Stop it! 😅
😂😂😂 go go go!!
Can't have 2 many pies mate
FACTS
What (km/h) do you mean by "highway speed"?
...and yes, they are toys/luxury bikes.
As they are simply not capable of doing the same things other motorcycles are.
Even the most honest and well meaning (some migth say only such) electric motorcycle manufacturer fails to make the bare minimum concessions to physics.
Energica bikes still go with the naked motorcycle design that brings with it the aerodynamic qualities of a well designed parachute.
I am not saying they need to go as far as the WMC250EV prototype did.
...still, they refuse to do things as simple as having the front mudgard come down to cover the front of the front tyre.
Plenty enough people have been thirsting for an "IRL akira bike", to make well designed feet forwards desirable.
That design comes with extra range and extra speed FOR FREE.
...did energica employ said design for its tourer?
OF COURSE NOT!
Does electric drivetrain make it trivial to have your front wheel driven by a smaller motor for drastically improved offroad performance?
YES!
Did any manufacturer utilize this fact?
HELL NO!
In short electric bike manufacturers are a travesty.
Energica standa out as its a company that doea the bare minimum. As opposed to selling vaporware, or bikes as service.
Yes, allowing your battery to be charged at the speeds its chemistry allows is THE BARE MINIMUM. Thats on thw level of nissan leaf. Currently all self respecting EV makers have batteries with active cooling so batteries dont crap themselves after a few year in hot climates.
Ofc. no such electric bike manufacturer exists.
...to add more to my comment.
Why not leverage THE biggest advantage ofnelectric bikes for long sistance tourimg, by offering a folding out solar charging trailer to go alongside a bike with decent aero?
So you could stop "wherever" in middle of bumfuck nowhere to rwcharge wothout fear of getting stranded.
Yes as someone who like to tour and do offroad... (on the same bike)
...ENERGICA OFFERS NOTHING I CARE ABOUT.
It would be trivial to not ape the design of "chic" internal combustion engine bikes, to the point that it leads to useless electric bikes.
But ofc. we cannot have nice things.
Yes, i am salty.
I think qnyone can guess why.
@@martonlerant5672 haha I have no idea why you're salty. Did you try and ride an electric motorcycle on a long trip and run out of battery?
Have you seen the Experia? The aerodynamics and touring ability is way better on that bike, but I prefer the performance on my Ribelle.
Fold-out solar panels would have to be the size of your house roof to do any good, and it would still take hours to charge.
All motorcycles are toys, when it comes down to it. We ride for fun. Like buying a sports car. That's a toy, too. You can use them as tools to commute to work if you want, but the main purpose is fun.
"Highway speed" in most parts of the world are 100-110km/h, so if you ride faster or hit the autobahn, your range will go down. At the race track doing 200km/h I've gotten the range down to 80km, so it really depends how fast you wanna go.
You're right that the battery should have liquid cooling and the charging should be faster. That's what I said in the video. Hopefully the tech continues to improve. The way I see it, we've barely had electric motorcycles for 10 years and they already accelerate faster than gas bikes, so I don't think it'll take very long to catch up in other ways.
@@NewZeroland
"All motorcycles are toys, when it comes down to it."
Maybe for you in new zealand thats true.
However there are places other than your country. Its not that unheard of that a motorcycle is a person's primary mode of transportation even in europe, let alone places like south asia.
"Highway speed" in most parts of the world are 100-110km/h, so if you ride faster or hit the autobahn, your range will go down."
US and colonies (AKAUS) are not "most of the world".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country#/media/File:World_Speed_Limits.svg
130km/h is a pretty common speed limit. Frankly its typical in europe (for ~500 million people)., and for russia. Even China and India goe with 120km/h. As such for wast majority of planets inhabitants 100-110km/h is not highway speed.
Stating otherwise is simply lieing - i am not sure if you are doing this because you are paid for it, or because you are that heavily invested in perpetuating bullshit advertisement provided by manufacturers due to sunk cost fallacy.
"You're right that the battery should have liquid cooling and the charging should be faster. That's what I said in the video. Hopefully the tech continues to improve.The way I see it, we've barely had electric motorcycles for 10 years and they already accelerate faster than gas bikes, so I don't think it'll take very long to catch up in other ways."
It will and in some ways it won't.
Charging speed of lithium based batteries has physical limitations, that make charging faster than 1C very unlikely - so at the moment the what is to be reasonably expected is marginal improvements somehwere in the region of 1h charging time.
Good news is that active thermal manadgement is an engineering problem thats solved - solution just needs to be implemented.
So that will sort the issue for thermal throttling when charging in hot enviroment.
"haha I have no idea why you're salty. Did you try and ride an electric motorcycle on a long trip and run out of battery?"
I am salty because even the most honestand well meaning manufacturer - energica is refusing to accept physics.
And the less said about...
- Lightning, the vaporware company
- Zero, the "we sell services not bikes" company riddled with false claims
...well the better.
There is no way around the fact that to get range (with currently available battery chemistries), you either need 30-40kWh battery capacity, or need to ditch Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme's ban (from 1958) on fairings. Physics is a cruel mistress.
I sometimes find my 400-500km range on my conventional bike short.
The realistic ~100-150km highway range of various top models is simply not viable for me, its not even in the correct ballpark, especially when coupled with charging times.
Ofc. its not only about aero.
Like i said i am at least as pissed about the drivetrain.
There is NO reason to keep conventional final drive between wheel and electric motor outside racetrack. Its hogging power thus its hogging range. It creates a point of failure, and a needless maintenance item.
Oh and lets not forget offroad.
Something like a christini drive costs a fortune to manufacture - and that is pretty much how you can go with all wheel drive on ICE bikes.
Electric drive means you can easily have a (relatively smaller) motor drive the front wheel - it doesn't need much power, it just needs to ensure front wheel is driven so its not pushed into things - thus stallijng, instead it drags itself oer stuff thanks to being driven.
Thats big enough a difference that a dinosaur of a bike - like rokon - thats underpowered to the extreme is more capable offroad than anything else on 2 wheels.
@@martonlerant5672 hey thanks for the reply. I like hearing what everybody has to say, even if they've never ridden electric motorcycles before and have no idea what they're talking about.
Just to clear things up, I'm not sponsored or paid to make these videos. I don't work for Energica, just like I didn't work for Zero. I'm a fan of EVs because they provide an experience you can't get with ICE vehicles.
I've lived in and traveled to lots of countries so I'm aware of speed limits. In the US, 130km/h (80mph) is pretty common just about everywhere because no one drives the speed limit. If you go that fast on an Energica, range would probably be around 160-170km. ICE motorcycle companies don't tell you how far their bikes can go because fuel economy also varies greatly depending on how fast you ride. At the race track I'll run out of gas in 100km.
If you're not riding on fun twisty roads and only sticking to the autobahn for 400km+, that sounds so insanely boring to me. I'd rather take an airplane. It's faster and probably cheaper.
@@NewZeroland
160-170km range on energic is OK-ish.
I mean a few times a month i take a ~220km trip to visit family, thats why i dislike the range, as stopping to charge in middle would drastically increase travel time. And bumfuck middle nowhere doesn't have airports in eastern EU - let alone regular airliner service.
My old vstrom can accomplish somwhere just under 400km on highways.
And goes for over 500km in the twisties.
To put it bluntly its not expensive, the repair can be done by anyone willing - instead "anti-right to repair" practices, and it can go wherever i want to go.
Like it or not - due to charging speeds - on electric motorcycles maximum range figures are way more important than on internal combustion engine powered ones.
My gripe is not with electric bikes.
My issue is with companies misleading customers, and some customers peddling said bullshit.
Lets start with the scum.
Lightning is a vaporware seller - on level of Escobar inc. as a manufacturer of foldable smartphones.
Zero is a scam, they refuse to build battery packs compatible with stations - so they can sell accessory "fast chargers". They have a very "unique" take on monetisation, that will stop majority of their suposed customer base from ever purchasing from them. And the less is said about their "hostile to consumer" repair practices (or lack thereof), the better.
I will grant that energica is a honest manufacturing company.
They create decent products.
My issue is that its the only on such company, and people are worshipping decent, as if it should be something thats not reasonable to expect. Energica doesn't exactly pioneering innovation. It just puts in the minimum effort to create electric vehicles worthy of being called a motorcycle.
Would it be possible, to create great electric bikes, that are cool while accepting what they are instead of being a worse version of internal combustion engine powered bikes?
Yes.
You can do thing on electric bikes, that are not even remotely plausible on classic motorcycles.
Yes, it will look different doesn't mean it can be cool.
Sure "Harley putt-putt" is not reasonable on electric drivetrain. However you can do other things that are as cool. For example you can use mercury arc valves with glass sidewalls in stead of mosfets tto power the coils of electric motors: czcams.com/video/YhaQqgXrMMU/video.html
Would that not be damned cool?
You could also build bikes with decent aero.
You don't even need to go "all out" function over form to get radical improvement compared to contemporary bike chic. For example stealing the fairing thats in front of the front wheel of WMC250EV wouldn't be THAT hard. static.wixstatic.com/media/95ac29_14253fc61eae4951bc2071de30a9e797~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_1000,h_533,al_c,q_85,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/95ac29_14253fc61eae4951bc2071de30a9e797~mv2.jpg
When air is hitting the nice smooth fairing, instead of getting whisked by the thread on the front wheel you got the lowest hanging fruit of aerodynamic improvements.
Similarly, getting a powered front wheel is trivial on an electric motorcycle.
...except when you have manufacturers like zero, who are proudly producing their machines run on a system called "cypher", not even hiding the fact that not only do they refuse to make decent things - they also want to stop customers from improving their products after purchase.
Oh and since electric bikes use relatively tiny motor (compared to bulky combustion engines) - and battery cells have no need to be bunched up in one loction, they can be placed anywhere, manufacturers have way more freedom with the shape of the motorcycle
I suppose people might have a mentality that these are glorified Ebikes until they ride one that practically frightens you and then their tone changes. If more bikes were like this and companies like Energica there might be less of that attitude. But even Ebikes are turning int to 70 MPH monsters at this point. Of course people will still prefer the loud crotch rockets because it's what they were raised riding, but there's certainly room for both... until gas is outlawed.
Definitely! Well said. I like seeing the surprise on peoples' faces when they get back. It's like that moment in Ford vs Ferrari where Shelby gives him a ride and scares the crap out of him, and he says, "I had no idea." I had hoped the big 4 in Japan would get on board, especially with their announcement about sharing removeable battery tech, but nope. Hydrogen. So right now the only advancement in electric motorcycles is being done by Energica.
@@NewZeroland I'd almost kinda like to see Hydrogen do better than it is, but the adoption seems even worst than electric, making it almost pointless. I'd think Electric would be way easier for Japan to adopt.
@@TheRealAlpha2 yeah I think if the hydrogen was sourced from something other than fossil fuels, there was a way to store it in the bike without it slowly leaking out, if there were ANY refueling stations in my country, and I could also make my own at home.. then I might consider it lol.
@@TheRealAlpha2
Hydrogen is a lot of hassle.
The fact that it leaks is not the big issue. The real problem is that you need it cooled or pressurized to be able store it in reasonable volumes - which is necessary for use on vehicles. And we currently have no way to put hydrogen in efficient storage without wasting huge amounts of energy.
If someone manages to electrolize water at high pressure, without the produced hydrogen and oxygen dissolving into water, and leaking into the wrong container that way, then said energy issue is drastically reduced.
Hydrogen's real big benefit is that its light, thus when used on aircraft it reduces lift induced drag - thus need to use less fuel.
And ofc. its not restircted to props (like electric motors), as props are not 100% efficient. And with prop stuck on an electric motor you get the same efficiency as you get with high bypass jet engines burning fuel at high altitude.
Nah a lightning must be better 😅
Haha honestly I loved my test ride on the Strike. I can't say anything bad about them aside from how few they've built.
but Sam, i like pineapple on pizza
Yooouuuu!! XD
You've finally achieved nirvana with an almost perfect motorcycle that checks all the boxes and even the wife can't get enough of her own, so now all that's left to tease you about are those cold Nancy-boy hands.
P.S. I don't care what anyone says, NZ pies are the best in the world.
Haha man it's freezing here! My winter gloves aren't thick enough ;__; I need meat pies attached to the bars.
@@NewZeroland Lemme put things in perspective for you: Imagine if you got the heated grips but she didn't - game over. Also, trick that works for me - particularly when it rains - thick dishwasher gloves inside the leathers.
@@DuncanJimmy ohhh good idea!
Uh, it’s pronounced “en-ER-gica”
*throws a pineapple*
@@NewZeroland I love pineapple on pizza also, thanks!
@@ZeroFun GO BACK TO CANADA YOU COMMIE
@@NewZeroland dies in Italian 🍕
@@MrJoe988 I-talian?
Never buy an EVA vehicle "for nature's sake", as under the final line, they do as much damage as a gaspowered vehicle. Just buy EVA vehicles for real positive things like the unlimited amount of torque or that you can come home at night and don't wake the whole neighbourhood.
That's my thought exactly 😎
@@NewZeroland Also, cheers for the vid, my good sir. As a biker myself, the best thing about driving a bike is slaloming and the acceleration. I don't care about top speed. I'm not sold on EV cars, cause of the massive batteries, but for something like a motorcycle, EV looks like a brilliant thing. The Lightning LS looks like a scam, but I see everyone being very enthousiastic about Energica. As someone that has driven both the Ego and the Ribelle, how would you describe the sitting position between the two? I am a bit tall, so I am looking for a bit more upright than the ZX6R I got now. I luckily can drive my Kawa for a long time, but I just break down in 15 minutes on a CBR, needing a break.
@@Caelum_NLD the Ego isn't toooo uncomfortable, but the Ribelle is way better, especially for tall people. If you have the chance to test ride one, check it out! The acceleration is insane :D
@@NewZeroland I will do so for sure
Hope energica makes a dirtbike :) soon
Have you seen the Stark Varg??
@@NewZeroland no but ill look it up now thx