Wow so women were forced to work outside of the home, and do the majority of house work even back then. So there was never a time where this demographic of women and children were provided for and treated like the delicate sex. Heartbreaking
50/50 is never gonna be that way. Women want special treatment like not pumping the gas, taking out the trash all while saying I'm not gonna cook or respect you as a man because I work too. Even if you provide them with the traditional lifestyle they will still have the same attitude and add on that you help with her half. Their deal is so one sided that its just insulting.
@R.O.T.C._SEEM Taking out the trash takes all of 30 seconds...pumping gas takes 3 minutes MAX...stop acting like yall are doing herculean tasks here lol
@@SunShine-vo9uywhat's statistics show that black women earn less than black men in America today y'all just want everybody to be a millionaire everybody can't have a millionaire just like everybody can't have it Beyonce
Fifty years later, unfortunately, the conversation is the same. Therefore, the Black Man has no other alternative other than to move on. These women just don’t get it man!….They just don’t get it!
Really? Black women have been saying for decades that they are strong and independent, but they are struggling. In fact, black men do NOT need black women. Black men can go somewhere else and find a woman that is willing to fall in line.
This is yet another very interesting clip and it just opens up all kinds of avenues of thought and things that are hard to discuss but I am grateful for all of the work that people like you have done that have enabled me to study all of this. It is truly a gift to people like me whose whole lives have been but a quest for truth and reason.
Yes, Mr. Hoffman this vital film makes so much sense now (today) world. This wasn't talked about growing up as a young child. Now in my forties I can see how the husband role is express without a negative conflict in relationship. I had the slightest clue on the subject, just empty advice. My grandparents stayed married and it was always to the end. They kept the family unit together and no excuses. I grew up with strong values and we had to play outside when grown-ups talked. Now I know the subjects.
@@nickjones3860and all the bills are paid by black women who out-earn, out-graduate black men and are the most to open businesses. Keep smoking your weed and sitting on your ass😂😂😂
What's left out of the conversation is the effect of political policies that have effected the black family. Redlining, block busting, debt peonage, drugs being brought in, schools and communities being destroyed and under funded, economic infrastructure being dismantled, mass incarceration, economic depravation, mental health being unaddressed, inadequate housing, striving for white acceptance, and so much more. I think in the modern era you can look back using this Internet and see what happened but only a few of us will address it in this context.
The main problem, people want to yell from emotion without actually looking at any history, or getting adequate focus on the big picture. The country wants the black man eliminated...period.
"drugs being brought in" And they magically sell themselves & force their users with this same magic. "mass incarceration" because most were innocent right? "striving for white acceptance" as you call whites supremacists, racists & slavers all your life. That's one way to strive...lol
Holy fuck a person with a brain. I’m tired of the vocal minority of my people acting like a bunch of morons for White entertainment, while completely ignoring the very real systems that forced us to spew vitriol at the other party from the very beginning; all while neither party are at fault for any of this. Respectability politics, seeking White acceptance and the desperation for upward mobility are ALL creations of White supremacy perpetuated by Black against each other since the beginning. When Black people finally realize that it’s okay to blame and hold accountable the White collective for their contributions to our never-ending suffering, then we’ll see progress.
Change the clothes and the video quality and this could’ve been a stream from yesterday. I think 100 years from now they’ll see all these youtube videos from today and the conversation will still be the exact same
It’s funny how this was 1970 yet these are the same women who created these “boss chicks/masculine women” and these feminine men. And now the year is 2023 and it’s really the same conversations happening today rather or be in the home or on podcast (social media). 🙄😩🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ we’ve gotten no where
The main reason that we haven't gotten anywhere is because these types of discussions are cherry picked to perpetuate confusion and division. Men and women pointing fingers at each other and blaming each other. But no one ever asks "why"? Why is this happening, what's the cause of all of this and what's the end result going to be? The people who do ask those questions are never put on TV.
@@renzo7503 well if we think about this and this is just my opinion on this. But really the divide started to happen when women decided to accept section 8 housing and food stamps. And then of course came the higher education for women. Which formed this type of mentality that they didn’t “need a man” for anything. And it’s just got passed down from one generation to the next. And of course let’s factor in the drugs that were dropped off in “black neighborhoods” that were once thriving before the divide. Again that’s just my opinion.
@@renzo7503 also the men that the women were choosing to lay down with to have these kids. Not letting the men be men. It’s just really a damn mess. A mess I don’t think we will be able to clean up honestly.
@@HIWWPI_2024 I agree with you 100%. Everything you mentioned was put in place by the government. I've yet to see a nationally syndicated talk show with black men and women discussing the origins and affects of those programs. No one ever asks what will the result be of financially and educationally incentivizing the women while leaving the men out in the cold. All of these things are war tactics and I'm not being dramatic when I say that either. And no, we cannot clean this up because we are powerless in this country. We are at the mercy of tyrants and it will not end well for us.
@@renzo7503 😌 unfortunately you’re right it won’t end well for us. We definitely are powerless. It makes me upset, sad, definitely angry. The ish out black men and women have falling for. We once seemed like we stuck together a few generations ago. Some how the black family strayed and all these tactics like you say were thrown at us. Definitely a war tactic for sure. Our people are even killing each other and I know they love that. 🤦🏾♀️ I’ve recently been doing a lot of research because you know in school we aren’t taught are real hidden history. We have to dig it up on our own.
This is a very interesting topic that could be discuss in today society. as I was watching this the television show "Julia" staring Diahann Carrol who played a nurse and a widowed single mother raising her son it ran from 1968 to 71 It is notable for being the first weekly series to star an African American woman in a non-stereotypical role. Previous television series featured African American lead characters, but the characters were usually servants. thanks for this one David Hoffman.
A scene that cements the epitome of "you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't." (especially being able to view this from a directly connected "future".)
If you are married and your husband does not pray at night and/or early morning before the sun come up; then that man will not be able to lead properly and cover the family as he should. Because everything that is in the physical realm first comes from the spirit realm. When men slept the enemy plants his seeds. And the bible says, we wrestle not against flesh and blood but demons. And if that man do not pray and fast then the house has been compromised. The man is the head of the family and if the head is not seeking God everyday; then the wife and children is in trouble. Men ought to always pray and not faint.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker you deserve it more than other YT'ers that I won't mention by name. Your content is actually useful and valuable to society. Best of luck to you, Mr. Hoffman!
I'm a black, married woman (41 years) who grew up in the 60s and I do not and cannot relate to this conversation. I believe it depends on those who were more apart of "the movement" as opposed to traditional family. I also know liberation was not just an issue btwn black man and black woman but white couples as well where the traditional white man was uncomfortable with the wife liberating herself to be equal and breakaway from society's standards of traditional family. However I must say that I don't deny that many black families were pulled apart from the day they were forced on this land so, that no doubt would cause complications for a black male who had to deal with immasculation, degradation and hate for centuries. Ms. Long Island
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and well rounded response. ❤ it’s refreshing seeing someone not resort to sexism and instead the internal struggles the individual will face/feel when dealing with societal change and progress.
The government had a plan in the 1950 to push more woman into the workforce. Unfortunately black woman are the cheese as well and like the white woman put careers over family. Nothing wrong with woman having careers, but the idea of “I can do it too” put a wedge between us instead of just simply joining to incomes and living well.
@Dee Mari *”I don’t deny that many black families were pulled apart from…”* What you’re denying is that there are a segment of women who are masculine, mean, unbearable to be around, bad attitudes, and or don’t know when to shut up. The change of the work environment and women gaining “equality” has given men, especially black men, their freedom. Men are no longer under environmental and social pressure to marry women that they can’t stand.
@@3namechangezalowdevry90day7 If he was white do you think she should "assume her role"?
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Clearly this conversation/debate has been going on for a long time. Well, I can happily say that it's coming to a close. Black men have finally found their balls and recognized that we don't need to debate our woman for anything. We are the buyers, not them. We dictate terms, not them. Take your talents to South Beach gentlemen. There's no need for struggle love. Find a market that suits your budget and live.
I agree. America is no longer a White & Black country. Are ancestors may have had to deal with the BS, but Black men in this current generation do not. You can either date/marry out with the growing number of immigrant women in America, or get on a plane & leave permanently. This conversation is definitely on its last leg.
@ I would not want my partner to make all the decisions, I expect them to TALK WITH ME LIKE THE PARTNERSHIP WE'RE IN, and have the final say TOGETHER. Unless one of us are going to do something dangerous, then the other person has the final say. If not, we decide together. You can't just dictate every term like that without hearing what they have to say about it. Can't stand dictators, who are you to do such a thing.
If black women speak their truth whether you agree or not ...society says they are bitter. If black woman wants to get a career....society says she's about to join the feminism rally and say "She doesn't need a man...she's a boss now. In Reality this sister is trying create a better life for herself & possible future family. If black women say they want a guy that has alot of money. She is condemned & called a gold digger. Also she is made to feel ashamed for wanting a guy to financially take care of her. Because their own people will say " See she thinks she's too good to marry a guy that has a regular job. But in reality black women been dating guys with no jobs, guys who get a job when they feel like it for years..Maybe the black woman is trying raise her standards and have a husband that has money and stability. Also, most black women have been the head of their household for years and raising the kids by herself. The reason for her becoming the head of household 98% of the time is by force. The black man (not talking about all black men) leaves her & go create kids in other households or has to get on welfare so she can survive & the rules for welfare back then (not sure about now)can't have a spouse living with you while on welfare. So the black woman in this situation has to create a masculine mentality in order to survive in this white man's society and take care of the kids. Now let's now analyze how the white woman is treated and judged differently in similar circumstances.. Now when white women speak their truth they are never called "bitter women" instead they have groups to help them.....Feminism & ME TOO Movement where the white woman is always classified as victims(doesn't if she's telling the truth or not. Her being a white woman alone in white society means she is the image of truth). If she has to lead her household, the white woman isn't looked at as aggressive...She looked as again the victim. If the white woman decides she only wants to date or marry a man with money....Nothing is said about her being a gold digger because her marrying a guy that has alot of money is considered normal in society.
The same society condemning you is the same society empowering you. Don't you get it? That's how you and others like you stay in your place. As long as the system keeps you in this ebb and flow of abuse. You'll pledge your allegiance for eternity. Until you stop. That's the battle. For many of us.
@@ScumDogMFhe is an insecure male bitter towards black women who figured out how to have success before the black man. Black men like this wish to be coddled for their terrible behavior (r kelly, jon majors…) and black women have had enough. Keep moving on. They will not see it but stay rooted in their ego like a venus fly trap, waiting for any gullible woman to fall for their religious manosphere rhetoric and turn them into a pickme/servant. A successful woman is seen as “out of order” and they will try to guilt u for being successful. And trust me, if u were to surrender your life and aspirations to them they WILL NOT protect u and barely provide for u in the way they claim to, in fact they will then blame u for wanting better or asking for anything. This is ABUSIVE behavior 101. Guilt. Isolation. Neglect. Blame. Dont fall for their foolish talk, keep moving. Love is out there, its a big world
@@richardbyfield1918 and men be forself more often than yall care to talk about....we have watched fathers walk away from there family and when a woman has to take of HERSELF and whatever child is left behind this is what yall do.....for herself smh are u fcking kidding me....the whole community has been in survival mode since before and after jim and reconstruction .....all of us need and have to wrk to take of OURSELVES BEFORE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF ANYONE ELSE ....i think yall forget that
If these people are still alive today, I would love to hear if they believe things have changed for the better in the decades since and, if so, how....
Absolutely enriching and uplifting video and discussions. I just want to add, contrary to what the lady at the very end said, "stand up with strength and say I am proud, I am black", No, in the words of my father, completely detach yourself from such attachments like blackness, or whiteness, or this and that..., in fact, when every you catch yourself using the phrase "I'am" be extra cautious as to what to say next. Learn very deeply about who you are on all levels, for me for example, I hav always believed I am a spiritual being and never grounded myself on such fragile ideas like race, color, money, education or what have you. My brothers and sisters, or fathers and mothers, we are in fact the dearly, deeply, and endless beloved children's of GOD.
I am in agreement with the man who said the family culture heritage history roles of the family members that has been hidden for more than 400 years should be practiced at home
I appreciate all you do, David. I do however wish black Americans didn’t have such a history of broadcasting our internal discussions for others to consume. Certain things are just not everyone’s business.
What? This was on TV back then as a documentary? Or do you think this was shown just in the black people’s homes? Wow!!! I can’t believe some of the Bullshyt . But let this documentary showed black men in a bad light. Then you wouldn’t made such a comment…
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 Eve being Adams helpmate was not because of the consequences of her actions. Eve the woman is supposed to be the help mate of Adam from the very jump. And the higher power have given them instructions to anywhere in the garden except for the tree of knowledge. Eve disobey his order and at the same time deceived Adam into eating the forbidden fruit. The fruit of knowledge for BW was welfare, child support and government housing. All this in exchange of removing the BM out of the picture. I don't have to go to a chain series of events to explain what the results are. You can see if for yourself.
john jacob - Eve didn’t have to go find Adam to lead him. He was right there. (Genesis 3: 6) All Eve had to do was hand the fruit to him and he ate it, too.
Respect Mr. Hoffman. This is fascinating. The late great Kevin Samuels called it. Those brothers tried explaining to those sisters what their natural role is in the black family, as it is, in any other. What it has always been traditionally, a wife and mother. Anytime a woman says to a man he has to be reprogrammed on what she needs so she'll submit and fall in line, shows she has lost her ability to take her man or husband's lead. As far as she's concerned her ability to cooperate is conditional. Some blackwomen fell for the banana in the tailpipe. i.e. feminism, government handouts and the attainment of an American dream, that was never really obtainable in the first place, and it most certainly was never meant for people of color anyway. Whether intentional or not it effectively did what chattle slavery and Jim Crow couldn't. It destroyed the black family structure for generations to come and has continued to this day. This rift between blackmen and blackwomen is being discussed in our community more than ever now, because it's out of control and continuing to further separate us as a community. Other communities are experiencing some form of this as well. That's modern women for you. This interview was recorded in 1970. The beginning of the end for the traditional family structure!
@@RaiderClarke312 I'm just glad that there are people who understand, just how serious the consequences of this behavior is in the black community. ✌🏼🙏🏼
I’m NOT giving my PERSONAL OPINION, I’ll will let you hear it for yourself. REMEMBER I was born September 25, 1972, so these would be MY PARENTS as they were COMING OUT OF DESEGREGATION .
Yes the boss chicks who birthed more boss chicks AKA Masculine women. Now the marriage stats are down. We have masculine women and feminine men. Whew the roles have reversed.
I’m a black woman. I don’t understand what black women are doing wrong. Black Women attend college to be able to take care of themselves and their children if she has any, and, if or when her husband dies or there is a divorce. All races of women attend college. What is the big problem with black women wanting to learn and contribute. Last, for black women to take a back seat and black men step forward….in what way? Black Women are not bossing black men. So, STOP.
It’s just an excuse for them to date interracially. We’re not doing anything wrong, we’re building our businesses, have our own money/education/homes…they are jealous of us…our intellect, our independence, our innovation, our standards, our courage and strength etc. they just want us to breed their babies so we can still have black males running to every other communities putting their resources in those communities.
The white man liked every Blk woman’s opinion that agreed with feminist mindset David Hoffman and the entire goofy idiots who support him can jump off a cliff
What does force look like will you not be prosecuted as criminals during or afterwards? That is a psycho mind, wanting to be forced just to behave properly.
That’s the goal. It’s always been the strategy to have Black men and women in anger, hating and blaming each other rather than addressing the attacks flying in from the outside on both of them. This designed tactic never ever gets old.
Francis at the end was not the man in that marriage. He got cut off so many times, he is more mild mannered. And they think it's a good idea to pull kids out of school to force them to only hear about a set of viewpoints that they deem is appropriate, which sounds like a bad idea. The black family was doomed because the white man's system exploited black women, turning them against the black man and keeping the whole race from being able to develop holistically. It's not anyone's fault, not the black men or women or even white people. The situation is what it is. Ultimately there likely won't be any positive improvement in the black community. Francis doesn't want to go out and be dominant in the workplace but black women don't mind.
This bs at some point you be responsible for your choices. My grandmother fought in the civil rights movement and said really this had been going on since 65’. BW knew what the “white man” was doing and they still drunk the kook-aid naw I anit going .
Before the 1970's, how long did it take for this programming to take root, such deep roots. Since at least 1970, it only got worse, and is only gonna get worse with only one promise in sight, Death😮
@Mr.President sir its NOT their problem to solve. So the "rejects" have to solve the pookie and ray-ray problem, and the women who dont hold themselves accountable. Yea, you can take that burden on if you want to 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m glad I gave up on having a black husband been married to my Italian (WM) for 10yrs and have never been more stress free,loved,protected and respected .
Just a thought I remember when the black women would love/nurture the blacks man's heart/spirit and the black man loved/protected/provide for the black woman, what happened 🤔 😳
The black men were cheating, refused to work, had children in multiple homes, were very abusive and the women eventually and quite rightfully gave up. As one participant said, the black woman had to become dominant because the men weren't stepping up. Same problem different day today.
"You know women, as long as we can get we gonna get and it's apart of our being, we're going to do anything to you that you let us." So basically she's acknowledging that Black women are acting against the best interests of the community and the family, on purpose, simply because she wants to and it's up to the Black man to stop her. But in the same mouth, women like this will say they don't want to be forced into being in the home and they're independent. So Black men give you the space to do you and be independent and when you use that to undermine the family, Black men are supposed to stop you, even though you're making a choice to do it? Glad to see even back in the 70' women still don't make any damn sense
@@Nolaboy17 Women are driven to secure their children and families: jobs, education to make more money, survival as a family unit, "by any means necessary", that's what, "You know women, as long as we can get we gonna get and it's apart of our being" really means. Why aren't these BM operating the same way? Meanwhile, BM like these were more focused on THEIR INDIVIDUAL IMAGE: ex. "Women need to allow me to be a man? Instead of saying, "Ok, what can I DO to help my family survive as a unit?"...."by any means necessary". BM are the ones actually comparing themselves to and trying to be like WM. BM are/have been diminishing and "emasculating" THEMSELVES every time they tell BW to "submit" so that BM can appear "manly" according to the WM's Standards. To recap: BW: "Any means necessary for the Family Unit" THESE BM: "I,I I, ME, ME ,ME, I DON'T LOOK GOOD AND IT'S BW'S FAULT!" "White women, foreign women, passport bro, submissive, single mothers, child support, f*ck them/my kids, SYSBM, hold women accountable for everything we do NOT put effort into doing....." Stop it, BM. You've been doing this for far too long and need therapy. You're behaving like wannabe Slave Masters towards BW and we've suffered enough trying to appease and because of your egos....and you continue to blame us when we went through the same f*cked up treatment by others....and YOU. Just Stop.
@vivianraw Vivian, Vivian, Vivian. Idk your age bracket, but I'm 37, and I'm speaking on the blk women of this generation and before. Do u know where these blk women today get their thinking from. Women like my mama, who's in her late 50s. And from what I gather as I've gotten older, and from what my mom expressed to me after I had to ask. It was her fault my father wasn't around. It was her fault my father wasn't present. All she had to say is I wanted my children living by the white folks and going to a white school. The only way for her to achieve that in her mind was to go on welfare, sectin 8, etc. Instead of asking my dad how can I help u to get us out of this situation? Nope, she took it into her hands and betrayed the blk man. This was in 86 and blk women were fkn up well before that. So yeah, y'all mentality ain't change yet, so get y'all degee8and whsteber else you'll need, because you're gonna need everything to grab ahold to, but you'll never be fulfilled. I was mad at him as a kid into my adolescent yrs, but since my split from my 4 girls mom. I see why he never came back. Dealing with u lower level thinking hyenas is stressful AF! She walked because of all of these so-called characteristics you're describing. I bet y'all don't have an issue going to that slave master job. Y'all would turn your back on a blk man who's striving to get his own business. Y'all make family and children worthless to men and then wanna get pussed when men turn their backs. A man has to legitimize his children if not married to said woman. So a kid or children who by law aren't mine is a kid or children a woman can use to extort me for my assets. Family and children are made worthless by blk women. Far as blk men perspective on white women goes. We don't give AF about no damn white women. Are u an asset to my life when and if you're allowed in it. Passport bros can do them if that's what they so choose. Those Latina women are groomed to be wives, and y'all aren't plain and simple. The majority of blk women get married because we as blk men understand y'all plight, but don't get it misconstrued. Y'all will never have or had it bad as blk men. That victimized ish isn't tolerated anymore. That's what's gotten us into this situation anyway. Today, we have no tolerance for y'all plight. Y'all have controlled the narrative for too long, and the blk community isn't worth ish. That's on the blk woman. The majority of my generation, both male and female, were raised by single blk women. I'm not gonna blame all blk men for not being in the home. At least 1% I know who was wronged and pushed out of being a father to his son, and there are so many like mine who git done dirty by his blk woman. We had solutions for y'all, but what's the point. Y'all don't want our solutions, so move along and allow that Latina, Asian, White woman, etc, to come in and show y'all how it is done backing a man of substance. I cooked, cleaned, raised our children, and invested in our children who were taken from me at the snap of my fingers. A while working and starting my business. All I use to hear early in our relationship was. U think I'm gonna work all day and come home to cook and deal with the children? Yes, I do it all the time. No value herself, for me, our relationship, our children, and our home. Again, y'all make family and children worthless after leaving the relationship. All that sacrifice of time we give to better the family no longer goes to the family. They is no your responsibility as the caregiver for your family. I'm gonna go start another family with a woman who's gonna value me, respect me, my time, and the family will build together. Far as therapy goes. We men have no issues going to therapy because we know ish is fkd up. Y'all the ones who need therapy. When u think you're right. Who in this world can tell u you're wrong. Vivian, I wish u the best of luck, and please get off them white women back. Y'all are the ones who want the passage of a white woman and the freedom to destroy without consequences.
The statistics do not support your comment. Black women are the highest of all to start a business while the BM is the most incarcerated or the most likely to abandon their kids and wives. And youre BITTER that black women have made it without u
@@THEDOORIZCLOSED: The statistics shows black women are the highest in Student loans debts, the highest in STDs, the highest in being evicted among females, the highest in Single Babies mamas, and the list goes on and on. But you already know this.......Black men the best thing we can do is END THE CONVERSATIONS with Black women. Dump them like the disease they are collectively. Nature is already handling them. Notice ever since they have proclaimed their love for Brads they have been coming up missing and the ones with Brads are being deleted. Let them live in their delusional world. Black men heard me and heard me good.......Never accept them BACK ever. The trust can't not be regained. No matter how remorse they pretend to show. Never forgive....... or forget.
I have to REITERATE this, these are your GRANDPARENTS & GREAT GRANDPARENTS but THEY ARE MY PARENTS who raised me. So THINK DEEPLY on what I’m saying, they were trying to find their NITCH, coming out of desegregation WITHOUT LOSING the essence of who they were as a FAMILY & as MALE/FEMALE in a economy that for scores of years denied them the opportunity. This was CULTIVATED IN ALL THE SEEDS they were bringing into the WORLD. THEY ARE GONE NOW, and we are taking their place.
The system has designed it this way from the Family courts down. It's designed to tear families apart to fund prison industrial complex and other alphabet agencies that only survive with a revolving door of broken people
Sometimes, it's so difficult to watch videos of past gender discussions, as you get a lot of tired sexist takes in the comments (mostly bots/trolls) that rather go back to a time with less rights out of some delusional idea it'll make their lives "better" with no regards for anyone else. Most of the only things, I want from history to affect today are fashions and higher taxes for the rich. sigh
I'm not black, but black men have it bad when it comes to their women. I see it all the time. I'm an engineer, and the vast majority of black men I work with are married to white or Hispanic women. I notice that when black men do well for themselves, they tend to date out. I never understood it at first, but after watching this video and countless of other radio shows and listening to black women, I understand why they do.
@TurquoisePurple7 Sky Asian men have never been conquered. What are you talking about? And weren't black women conquered, too? They come to my parents' store and buy wigs for their hair that won't grow. Your whole community, in my opinion, is trash. The men and the women. I was just speaking about an observation that I see in large numbers. When black men finally get educated, they typically date out for peace of mind. Facts are facts. Black women are the least desirable race of women according to statistics. Even their own men prefer not to deal with them.
@TurquoisePurple7 Sky You are making fun of men who were conquered, but yet the black women were conquered too. That's what I was confused by. Your whole race is fuc*ed up. I just watched the video and said I understand why black men who are well off typically don't date black women. They don't know how to be wives and mothers. Most are ghetto combative women. I see it at the job, and they are supposed to be educated.
@TurquoisePurple7 Sky It's the internet, I can post and comment on what I want, just like you. Say what you want about us, Asains. Our family is in order, and we focus on our education, and we don't hate on our people like blacks do. Look how you trash talk your own men.
fascinating, black Americans have been publicly debating their relationship dynamic since the early days of mass media great find David
And "they've" been paying attention.
@@kevinking5406 Right, exactly!
Round and round
@@kevinking5406 - why
Way before this too
We are having the same conversations in 2023....woooow😂😂😂😂😂😂
Like…. It’s honestly crazy. When will it end?
Wow so women were forced to work outside of the home, and do the majority of house work even back then. So there was never a time where this demographic of women and children were provided for and treated like the delicate sex. Heartbreaking
I love how they sound so intelligent with a very good vocabulary.
Elaine Brown should have been there. She destroyed that femcentric reporter
Yeah, who was apparently successful in infiltrating total anti-intellectualism to young black americans?
We've been having the 50/50 debate for a hunnid years 😂
50/50 is never gonna be that way. Women want special treatment like not pumping the gas, taking out the trash all while saying I'm not gonna cook or respect you as a man because I work too. Even if you provide them with the traditional lifestyle they will still have the same attitude and add on that you help with her half. Their deal is so one sided that its just insulting.
@R.O.T.C._SEEM Taking out the trash takes all of 30 seconds...pumping gas takes 3 minutes MAX...stop acting like yall are doing herculean tasks here lol
@@alexisc7565 As a black man even I admit this debate sounds pathetic
@@SunShine-vo9uyand what exactly do y'all own?
@@SunShine-vo9uywhat's statistics show that black women earn less than black men in America today y'all just want everybody to be a millionaire everybody can't have a millionaire just like everybody can't have it Beyonce
And now we are 50+ years later....I wonder what the discussion would sound like now. Thanks for sharing.
It's #SYSBM
No more discussions 🛩✈️🛫
Sex tourism is not the answer.
Fifty years later, unfortunately, the conversation is the same. Therefore, the Black Man has no other alternative other than to move on. These women just don’t get it man!….They just don’t get it!
@@Andrejr316 What does that mean? Honest question?
I love a great discussion better than a staged discussion. Thank you David ❤️
Moynihan Report? Shame few people will ever read that
Great discussion? Them ninjas was copping pleas and The women sounded more logical
The more things change, the more they stay the same. 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Tommy Curry is finally changing this
This was some interesting video of some information we needed. Thanks for sharing the video David Film maker 🎥🎞️
Thank you so much for these documentaries
Fascinating look back into conversations that i know nothing about. Thank you David❤
Black Men and Women need each other...a lot more will be accomplished whn United. 🌹❤️
We must respect one another has human beings. Doesn’t necessarily mean all 👨🏾& 👩🏾 should be together
Really? Black women have been saying for decades that they are strong and independent, but they are struggling. In fact, black men do NOT need black women. Black men can go somewhere else and find a woman that is willing to fall in line.
@@robertlunderwood That's not all of us my dear, can't speak for the rest but i absolutely need a Man, always have, always will. 🫶🏾
@@indigobeauty1 But you are the minority. I'm talking about the majority.
Nah it's over with, let it burn & fix itself!
Pre Oprah Winfrey says alot, huh?
My queen
Yup my thoughts exactly. You can actually hear from the male perspective and experience.
I don't understand this term "Pre-oprah Winfrey". Could you pls expatiate....
PS: I'm not from USA.
@@iktheboy7594 before Oprah Winfrey started broadcasting her talk shows
@@kaleidoset2569
The guy in the video was like, “My father and his father had to put up with this sh**.” 🤭
This is yet another very interesting clip and it just opens up all kinds of avenues of thought and things that are hard to discuss but I am grateful for all of the work that people like you have done that have enabled me to study all of this. It is truly a gift to people like me whose whole lives have been but a quest for truth and reason.
Yes! 🙌
@@addieblanchard2228Shame they speak of matriarchy but that there is no mention of Robert Staples
...the more things change, the more they stay the same. Great video👍👍
Yes, Mr. Hoffman this vital film makes so much sense now (today) world. This wasn't talked about growing up as a young child. Now in my forties I can see how the husband role is express without a negative conflict in relationship. I had the slightest clue on the subject, just empty advice. My grandparents stayed married and it was always to the end. They kept the family unit together and no excuses. I grew up with strong values and we had to play outside when grown-ups talked. Now I know the subjects.
Thank you for this 🙏🏾
No matter what race… misogyny is everywhere.
The word you are looking for is misandry.
Colorism & Misogyny justifies lesbianism & bisexuality in black women.
Keep that same energy when the bill comes
@@nickjones3860and all the bills are paid by black women who out-earn, out-graduate black men and are the most to open businesses. Keep smoking your weed and sitting on your ass😂😂😂
Ah interesting this was before my time but I look at videos like this and just listen I over hear these conversations for years as a kid.
I'm in my early 30's and sadly we even going through this . To me, I believe media and just the government together takes part in the division
What's left out of the conversation is the effect of political policies that have effected the black family. Redlining, block busting, debt peonage, drugs being brought in, schools and communities being destroyed and under funded, economic infrastructure being dismantled, mass incarceration, economic depravation, mental health being unaddressed, inadequate housing, striving for white acceptance, and so much more. I think in the modern era you can look back using this Internet and see what happened but only a few of us will address it in this context.
thank you for pointing out all these important factors 🙌🏾
The main problem, people want to yell from emotion without actually looking at any history, or getting adequate focus on the big picture. The country wants the black man eliminated...period.
Agreed.
"drugs being brought in" And they magically sell themselves & force their users with this same magic. "mass incarceration" because most were innocent right? "striving for white acceptance" as you call whites supremacists, racists & slavers all your life. That's one way to strive...lol
Holy fuck a person with a brain.
I’m tired of the vocal minority of my people acting like a bunch of morons for White entertainment, while completely ignoring the very real systems that forced us to spew vitriol at the other party from the very beginning; all while neither party are at fault for any of this.
Respectability politics, seeking White acceptance and the desperation for upward mobility are ALL creations of White supremacy perpetuated by Black against each other since the beginning.
When Black people finally realize that it’s okay to blame and hold accountable the White collective for their contributions to our never-ending suffering, then we’ll see progress.
This was a really great conversation. Rings true in modern times as well.
Black men and woman been fighting since the 60s. Look at the old videos it never stopped. We probably been fighting longer than that
OMG. He's saying this in 1970.
The part of the video showing the black man with the light blue shirt on is actually from 1968 (it shows it on the original video).
Change the clothes and the video quality and this could’ve been a stream from yesterday. I think 100 years from now they’ll see all these youtube videos from today and the conversation will still be the exact same
Only that 100 years from now bw would have achieved their goal/fantasy of complete separation and assimilation to the host I'm sorry to say.
Lol today no one speaks proper English and it’s a 70% they are not married.
@@QuadriviumNumbers proving once and for all the fallacy of a matriarchy being conducive to a thriving non-dysfunctional culture.
It's a little more ratchetness in it but you're absolutely right
@@craigpate3317 thats true. Goofy ass pastel colored lace fronts and lamb chop eyelashes weren’t invented yet
Thanks David Hoffman film maker for sharing, I appreciate it. Good story and video. This was before Oprah. Lol
We were setup to still be having this conversation. Lordy why can’t we just work together and not make it a power struggle
It’s funny how this was 1970 yet these are the same women who created these “boss chicks/masculine women” and these feminine men. And now the year is 2023 and it’s really the same conversations happening today rather or be in the home or on podcast (social media). 🙄😩🤷🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️ we’ve gotten no where
The main reason that we haven't gotten anywhere is because these types of discussions are cherry picked to perpetuate confusion and division. Men and women pointing fingers at each other and blaming each other. But no one ever asks "why"? Why is this happening, what's the cause of all of this and what's the end result going to be? The people who do ask those questions are never put on TV.
@@renzo7503 well if we think about this and this is just my opinion on this. But really the divide started to happen when women decided to accept section 8 housing and food stamps. And then of course came the higher education for women. Which formed this type of mentality that they didn’t “need a man” for anything. And it’s just got passed down from one generation to the next. And of course let’s factor in the drugs that were dropped off in “black neighborhoods” that were once thriving before the divide. Again that’s just my opinion.
@@renzo7503 also the men that the women were choosing to lay down with to have these kids. Not letting the men be men. It’s just really a damn mess. A mess I don’t think we will be able to clean up honestly.
@@HIWWPI_2024 I agree with you 100%. Everything you mentioned was put in place by the government. I've yet to see a nationally syndicated talk show with black men and women discussing the origins and affects of those programs. No one ever asks what will the result be of financially and educationally incentivizing the women while leaving the men out in the cold. All of these things are war tactics and I'm not being dramatic when I say that either. And no, we cannot clean this up because we are powerless in this country. We are at the mercy of tyrants and it will not end well for us.
@@renzo7503 😌 unfortunately you’re right it won’t end well for us. We definitely are powerless. It makes me upset, sad, definitely angry. The ish out black men and women have falling for. We once seemed like we stuck together a few generations ago. Some how the black family strayed and all these tactics like you say were thrown at us. Definitely a war tactic for sure. Our people are even killing each other and I know they love that. 🤦🏾♀️ I’ve recently been doing a lot of research because you know in school we aren’t taught are real hidden history. We have to dig it up on our own.
Even this man's wife is interrupting him. You cant make this ish up
Makes a change from the beginning of the video 😂😂
Grown children
#SYSBM
The Moynihan Report is just as true today as it was 50 years ago.
And with that "The Man in the House Rule" Act.
Facts 💯
We deserve so much better.
youre supposed to do the saving of your women and community
@@FirstSkyWalker the Moynihan report clearly states black men didn’t want to be responsible and welfare was the result.
I love every millisecond of this!!
This is a very interesting topic that could be discuss in today society. as I was watching this the television show "Julia" staring Diahann Carrol who played a nurse and a widowed single mother raising her son it ran from 1968 to 71 It is notable for being the first weekly series to star an African American woman in a non-stereotypical role. Previous television series featured African American lead characters, but the characters were usually servants. thanks for this one David Hoffman.
A piece of history!
Thanks David💕✌️
A scene that cements the epitome of "you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't."
(especially being able to view this from a directly connected "future".)
Boom.
I see you found it too @Roghish DA Buildmonger. Is that your uncle @ 3:20?
Black men were screwed out the gate.
@@richmondlegacylisten to the Amos Wilson lecture
Black male female relationships
Same in 60 years ❤good content
If you are married and your husband does not pray at night and/or early morning before the sun come up; then that man will not be able to lead properly and cover the family as he should. Because everything that is in the physical realm first comes from the spirit realm. When men slept the enemy plants his seeds. And the bible says, we wrestle not against flesh and blood but demons. And if that man do not pray and fast then the house has been compromised. The man is the head of the family and if the head is not seeking God everyday; then the wife and children is in trouble. Men ought to always pray and not faint.
This is so dam true til this day.
Onward and upward to a million subscribers!
I'll keep that as a mantra everything on CZcams involved with my channel has radically slowed down including new subscribers.
David Hoffman filmmaker
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker you deserve it more than other YT'ers that I won't mention by name. Your content is actually useful and valuable to society.
Best of luck to you, Mr. Hoffman!
the sweet voice of the announcer
Thanks!
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I'm a black, married woman (41 years) who grew up in the 60s and I do not and cannot relate to this conversation. I believe it depends on those who were more apart of "the movement" as opposed to traditional family. I also know liberation was not just an issue btwn black man and black woman but white couples as well where the traditional white man was uncomfortable with the wife liberating herself to be equal and breakaway from society's standards of traditional family. However I must say that I don't deny that many black families were pulled apart from the day they were forced on this land so, that no doubt would cause complications for a black male who had to deal with immasculation, degradation and hate for centuries. Ms. Long Island
Summarized perfectly
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and well rounded response. ❤ it’s refreshing seeing someone not resort to sexism and instead the internal struggles the individual will face/feel when dealing with societal change and progress.
The government had a plan in the 1950 to push more woman into the workforce. Unfortunately black woman are the cheese as well and like the white woman put careers over family. Nothing wrong with woman having careers, but the idea of “I can do it too” put a wedge between us instead of just simply joining to incomes and living well.
@@anigah read that again.
@Dee Mari
*”I don’t deny that many black families were pulled apart from…”*
What you’re denying is that there are a segment of women who are masculine, mean, unbearable to be around, bad attitudes, and or don’t know when to shut up.
The change of the work environment and women gaining “equality” has given men, especially black men, their freedom. Men are no longer under environmental and social pressure to marry women that they can’t stand.
And nothing has changed
Black men and woman been fighting since the 60s. Look at the old videos it never stopped. We probably been fighting longer than that
Just subscribed notifications bell on!!!
1:47 that's called selective hearing.
Beautiful video
This was a generational pattern.. it's now in the last few years this mindset has changed.
This was the beginning of what we have now. The dysfunction was programed
6:30
Perfect definition of Parental Authority.
Peace!
\o/
2023 and I’m wondering exactly how much has actually changed…
Beautifully Said..AMEN 🤗💕🕯💐
This eye opening Black Woman were crazy back then too!!!!
@@3namechangezalowdevry90day7 If he was white do you think she should "assume her role"?
Clearly this conversation/debate has been going on for a long time. Well, I can happily say that it's coming to a close. Black men have finally found their balls and recognized that we don't need to debate our woman for anything. We are the buyers, not them. We dictate terms, not them. Take your talents to South Beach gentlemen. There's no need for struggle love. Find a market that suits your budget and live.
I agree. America is no longer a White & Black country. Are ancestors may have had to deal with the BS, but Black men in this current generation do not. You can either date/marry out with the growing number of immigrant women in America, or get on a plane & leave permanently. This conversation is definitely on its last leg.
@@roberthicks5550 Absolutely.
It takes two to tango.
@@Alluringspace SIGN language doesn't work anymore. Nice try tho.
@ I would not want my partner to make all the decisions, I expect them to TALK WITH ME LIKE THE PARTNERSHIP WE'RE IN, and have the final say TOGETHER. Unless one of us are going to do something dangerous, then the other person has the final say. If not, we decide together. You can't just dictate every term like that without hearing what they have to say about it. Can't stand dictators, who are you to do such a thing.
The more things change ....
The more they stay the same.
Wow!!!!!
Fire! Truth!
Does anyone know,, where this family is today??
7:54 Let me cut you off again 😂😂😂
If black women speak their truth whether you agree or not ...society says they are bitter. If black woman wants to get a career....society says she's about to join the feminism rally and say "She doesn't need a man...she's a boss now. In Reality this sister is trying create a better life for herself & possible future family. If black women say they want a guy that has alot of money. She is condemned & called a gold digger. Also she is made to feel ashamed for wanting a guy to financially take care of her. Because their own people will say " See she thinks she's too good to marry a guy that has a regular job. But in reality black women been dating guys with no jobs, guys who get a job when they feel like it for years..Maybe the black woman is trying raise her standards and have a husband that has money and stability. Also, most black women have been the head of their household for years and raising the kids by herself. The reason for her becoming the head of household 98% of the time is by force. The black man (not talking about all black men) leaves her & go create kids in other households or has to get on welfare so she can survive & the rules for welfare back then (not sure about now)can't have a spouse living with you while on welfare. So the black woman in this situation has to create a masculine mentality in order to survive in this white man's society and take care of the kids. Now let's now analyze how the white woman is treated and judged differently in similar circumstances.. Now when white women speak their truth they are never called "bitter women" instead they have groups to help them.....Feminism & ME TOO Movement where the white woman is always classified as victims(doesn't if she's telling the truth or not. Her being a white woman alone in white society means she is the image of truth). If she has to lead her household, the white woman isn't looked at as aggressive...She looked as again the victim. If the white woman decides she only wants to date or marry a man with money....Nothing is said about her being a gold digger because her marrying a guy that has alot of money is considered normal in society.
the key word is FOR HERSELF
@@richardbyfield1918
🫵🏽😒Selective reading 📖much?! 🤣
The commenter wrote,
”…for herself 🗣️👉🏾& possible future family.” 🗣️FAMILY!!!
The same society condemning you is the same society empowering you. Don't you get it? That's how you and others like you stay in your place. As long as the system keeps you in this ebb and flow of abuse. You'll pledge your allegiance for eternity. Until you stop. That's the battle. For many of us.
@@ScumDogMFhe is an insecure male bitter towards black women who figured out how to have success before the black man. Black men like this wish to be coddled for their terrible behavior (r kelly, jon majors…) and black women have had enough. Keep moving on. They will not see it but stay rooted in their ego like a venus fly trap, waiting for any gullible woman to fall for their religious manosphere rhetoric and turn them into a pickme/servant. A successful woman is seen as “out of order” and they will try to guilt u for being successful. And trust me, if u were to surrender your life and aspirations to them they WILL NOT protect u and barely provide for u in the way they claim to, in fact they will then blame u for wanting better or asking for anything.
This is ABUSIVE behavior 101. Guilt. Isolation. Neglect. Blame. Dont fall for their foolish talk, keep moving. Love is out there, its a big world
@@richardbyfield1918 and men be forself more often than yall care to talk about....we have watched fathers walk away from there family and when a woman has to take of HERSELF and whatever child is left behind this is what yall do.....for herself smh are u fcking kidding me....the whole community has been in survival mode since before and after jim and reconstruction .....all of us need and have to wrk to take of OURSELVES BEFORE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF ANYONE ELSE ....i think yall forget that
Half a Century later?¿?... 🤯 Smdh 🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
If these people are still alive today, I would love to hear if they believe things have changed for the better in the decades since and, if so, how....
People can only be kept in cages they refuse to see.
This when it started
Nothing has changed.
Beautiful, well balanced couple. 💕
Absolutely enriching and uplifting video and discussions. I just want to add, contrary to what the lady at the very end said, "stand up with strength and say I am proud, I am black", No, in the words of my father, completely detach yourself from such attachments like blackness, or whiteness, or this and that..., in fact, when every you catch yourself using the phrase "I'am" be extra cautious as to what to say next. Learn very deeply about who you are on all levels, for me for example, I hav always believed I am a spiritual being and never grounded myself on such fragile ideas like race, color, money, education or what have you. My brothers and sisters, or fathers and mothers, we are in fact the dearly, deeply, and endless beloved children's of GOD.
I am in agreement with the man who said the family culture heritage history roles of the family members that has been hidden for more than 400 years should be practiced at home
I appreciate all you do, David. I do however wish black Americans didn’t have such a history of broadcasting our internal discussions for others to consume. Certain things are just not everyone’s business.
What? This was on TV back then as a documentary? Or do you think this was shown just in the black people’s homes? Wow!!! I can’t believe some of the Bullshyt . But let this documentary showed black men in a bad light. Then you wouldn’t made such a comment…
I'm sorry Ms Jackson. But this documentary is for real. It shows us on which group desperately needs to take accountability for their actions.
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 And Eve was the one that led Adam to the serpent.
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 Eve being Adams helpmate was not because of the consequences of her actions. Eve the woman is supposed to be the help mate of Adam from the very jump. And the higher power have given them instructions to anywhere in the garden except for the tree of knowledge. Eve disobey his order and at the same time deceived Adam into eating the forbidden fruit. The fruit of knowledge for BW was welfare, child support and government housing. All this in exchange of removing the BM out of the picture. I don't have to go to a chain series of events to explain what the results are. You can see if for yourself.
john jacob - Eve didn’t have to go find Adam to lead him. He was right there. (Genesis 3: 6) All Eve had to do was hand the fruit to him and he ate it, too.
What happened to us 😢 we use to be Great! Even with the minor problems we had at the time we was almost there.
Kevin Samuels you were right!!
Not on everything.
@@thedarkknight4956 majority of the things and was very influential. Don’t nit pick
@@UptownAlleyFashion naaw I don't agree, but if y'all were raised by single mothers I can see why some of y'all follow him.
Respect Mr. Hoffman. This is fascinating. The late great Kevin Samuels called it. Those brothers tried explaining to those sisters what their natural role is in the black family, as it is, in any other. What it has always been traditionally, a wife and mother. Anytime a woman says to a man he has to be reprogrammed on what she needs so she'll submit and fall in line, shows she has lost her ability to take her man or husband's lead. As far as she's concerned her ability to cooperate is conditional. Some blackwomen fell for the banana in the tailpipe. i.e. feminism, government handouts and the attainment of an American dream, that was never really obtainable in the first place, and it most certainly was never meant for people of color anyway. Whether intentional or not it effectively did what chattle slavery and Jim Crow couldn't. It destroyed the black family structure for generations to come and has continued to this day. This rift between blackmen and blackwomen is being discussed in our community more than ever now, because it's out of control and continuing to further separate us as a community. Other communities are experiencing some form of this as well. That's modern women for you. This interview was recorded in 1970. The beginning of the end for the traditional family structure!
You said much of what I was going to say....
@@RaiderClarke312 I'm just glad that there are people who understand, just how serious the consequences of this behavior is in the black community. ✌🏼🙏🏼
What ? Weren't black families forcefully separated during slavery ?
@@J7pat7 nope. Check out Dr Thomas Sowell on the black family in slavery. Most black families were torn apart in the 1960s due to welfare.
Great points, sir 👏🏾
#SYSBM
The more things change the more they remain the same.
I'll give this a like DH cue u asked
2:35 facts Till this day in the 2020s
I’m NOT giving my PERSONAL OPINION, I’ll will let you hear it for yourself. REMEMBER I was born September 25, 1972, so these would be MY PARENTS as they were COMING OUT OF DESEGREGATION .
Woman in search of a Man? And yet Baulked at the Moynihan report. Double speak.
They made their choice let the benefits and consequences come their way.
Well...
This was when we still had a high marriage rate. But the new black woman was emerging
Yes the boss chicks who birthed more boss chicks AKA Masculine women. Now the marriage stats are down. We have masculine women and feminine men. Whew the roles have reversed.
But a high and increasing divorce rate by this time
@@HIWWPI_2024pickme spotted
I’m a black woman. I don’t understand what black women are doing wrong.
Black Women attend college to be able to take care of themselves and their children if she has any, and, if or when her husband dies or there is a divorce.
All races of women attend college. What is the big problem with black women wanting to learn and contribute.
Last, for black women to take a back seat and black men step forward….in what way? Black Women are not bossing black men.
So, STOP.
It’s just an excuse for them to date interracially. We’re not doing anything wrong, we’re building our businesses, have our own money/education/homes…they are jealous of us…our intellect, our independence, our innovation, our standards, our courage and strength etc. they just want us to breed their babies so we can still have black males running to every other communities putting their resources in those communities.
And the next cycle of the generational curse commences..🤦🏾
Keep on being disingenuous. You see where that’s gotten “us”.
All races of women attend college.
All of them do not yell and scream how they don’t need their men though. 🤷🏾♂️
@@invadercem2 You don't go out much lmao
The white man liked every Blk woman’s opinion that agreed with feminist mindset David Hoffman and the entire goofy idiots who support him can jump off a cliff
I DID agree with one thing she said: We gotta take ours by FORCE!!
What does force look like will you not be prosecuted as criminals during or afterwards? That is a psycho mind, wanting to be forced just to behave properly.
@@little95 hey! 700+ years of being on bottom will make u psycho
Right, you don't bargain with devils hell bent on destroying you.
Castrated? The black women were being blamed for things not their fault even back then.
That's because most people are not astute enough to see the entire picture. The system weaponized you using your natural ambition to succeed.
Facts!
Apparently nothing at all in life is bw's fault. Facts!
That’s the goal. It’s always been the strategy to have Black men and women in anger, hating and blaming each other rather than addressing the attacks flying in from the outside on both of them. This designed tactic never ever gets old.
You obviously didn’t get the metaphorical reason why that was said
Francis at the end was not the man in that marriage. He got cut off so many times, he is more mild mannered. And they think it's a good idea to pull kids out of school to force them to only hear about a set of viewpoints that they deem is appropriate, which sounds like a bad idea. The black family was doomed because the white man's system exploited black women, turning them against the black man and keeping the whole race from being able to develop holistically. It's not anyone's fault, not the black men or women or even white people. The situation is what it is. Ultimately there likely won't be any positive improvement in the black community. Francis doesn't want to go out and be dominant in the workplace but black women don't mind.
This bs at some point you be responsible for your choices. My grandmother fought in the civil rights movement and said really this had been going on since 65’. BW knew what the “white man” was doing and they still drunk the kook-aid naw I anit going .
All that to blame the black man in the end an let white folks who screwed us both off the hook. Yes I read it.
Before the 1970's, how long did it take for this programming to take root, such deep roots. Since at least 1970, it only got worse, and is only gonna get worse with only one promise in sight, Death😮
They JUMPED RIGHT ON THAT "YOU'RE INSECURE SHIT". These women are grandmother's now. Listen to this shit
That's because they knew damn well what they were participating in. Emasculation for pay.
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 Ok
@@kensmechanicalaffair emasculation for DEPENDENCE.
Proof that the passport bros should have been existed ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
It's proof that there's a problem and they choose to run away from it.
@Mr.President sir its NOT their problem to solve. So the "rejects" have to solve the pookie and ray-ray problem, and the women who dont hold themselves accountable. Yea, you can take that burden on if you want to 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@onice33 No, sir. Lions handle problems, sheep run to safety. I don't expect a squirrel to take down an elephant...so you right..
@@kensmechanicalaffair 😂😂😂🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@kensmechanicalaffair lmaoooo 🤣😂 yo stop
Im glad I give up on finding a husband.
Now I can focus on myself ❤
I’m glad I gave up on having a black husband been married to my Italian (WM) for 10yrs and have never been more stress free,loved,protected and respected .
Why did she keep cutting that man off like he wasn’t well-spoken
she was strong and independent and saw him as beneath her.
@@vg1024They still believe that today.
Just a thought I remember when the black women would love/nurture the blacks man's heart/spirit and the black man loved/protected/provide for the black woman, what happened 🤔 😳
Some people say it went downhill with Wellfare, pushing more single mother households, but who realy knows, most likely several diffierent factor.
@Henrik Larssen It doesn't matter how it happened without love we are going nowhere 🤎✌🏽
The black men were cheating, refused to work, had children in multiple homes, were very abusive and the women eventually and quite rightfully gave up. As one participant said, the black woman had to become dominant because the men weren't stepping up. Same problem different day today.
@@Sybilgause no it kind of matters a lot actually...
FALSE beauty happened which inflated their sense of self worth . Look at the women , they were level headed and knew where they stood
This is 1970.
No ratchet for the wicked!!
These women were LOUD and talking aggressive/hand in the face, talking OVER others even waaayy back then 😂
Feminism!
Exactly. This was the beginning. Now 53 years later look at what Gloria Steinem racist Ass did. Definitely got played
Cancerous
What constitutes feminism?
"You know women, as long as we can get we gonna get and it's apart of our being, we're going to do anything to you that you let us." So basically she's acknowledging that Black women are acting against the best interests of the community and the family, on purpose, simply because she wants to and it's up to the Black man to stop her. But in the same mouth, women like this will say they don't want to be forced into being in the home and they're independent. So Black men give you the space to do you and be independent and when you use that to undermine the family, Black men are supposed to stop you, even though you're making a choice to do it? Glad to see even back in the 70' women still don't make any damn sense
All we can do is leave them where they are.
@@Nolaboy17 Women are driven to secure their children and families: jobs, education to make more money, survival as a family unit, "by any means necessary", that's what, "You know women, as long as we can get we gonna get and it's apart of our being" really means. Why aren't these BM operating the same way?
Meanwhile, BM like these were more focused on THEIR INDIVIDUAL IMAGE: ex. "Women need to allow me to be a man? Instead of saying, "Ok, what can I DO to help my family survive as a unit?"...."by any means necessary".
BM are the ones actually comparing themselves to and trying to be like WM. BM are/have been diminishing and "emasculating" THEMSELVES every time they tell BW to "submit" so that BM can appear "manly" according to the WM's Standards.
To recap:
BW: "Any means necessary for the Family Unit"
THESE BM: "I,I I, ME, ME ,ME, I DON'T LOOK GOOD AND IT'S BW'S FAULT!"
"White women, foreign women, passport bro, submissive, single mothers, child support, f*ck them/my kids, SYSBM, hold women accountable for everything we do NOT put effort into doing....."
Stop it, BM. You've been doing this for far too long and need therapy. You're behaving like wannabe Slave Masters towards BW and we've suffered enough trying to appease and because of your egos....and you continue to blame us when we went through the same f*cked up treatment by others....and YOU. Just Stop.
@vivianraw Vivian, Vivian, Vivian. Idk your age bracket, but I'm 37, and I'm speaking on the blk women of this generation and before. Do u know where these blk women today get their thinking from. Women like my mama, who's in her late 50s. And from what I gather as I've gotten older, and from what my mom expressed to me after I had to ask. It was her fault my father wasn't around. It was her fault my father wasn't present. All she had to say is I wanted my children living by the white folks and going to a white school. The only way for her to achieve that in her mind was to go on welfare, sectin 8, etc. Instead of asking my dad how can I help u to get us out of this situation? Nope, she took it into her hands and betrayed the blk man. This was in 86 and blk women were fkn up well before that. So yeah, y'all mentality ain't change yet, so get y'all degee8and whsteber else you'll need, because you're gonna need everything to grab ahold to, but you'll never be fulfilled. I was mad at him as a kid into my adolescent yrs, but since my split from my 4 girls mom. I see why he never came back. Dealing with u lower level thinking hyenas is stressful AF! She walked because of all of these so-called characteristics you're describing. I bet y'all don't have an issue going to that slave master job. Y'all would turn your back on a blk man who's striving to get his own business. Y'all make family and children worthless to men and then wanna get pussed when men turn their backs. A man has to legitimize his children if not married to said woman. So a kid or children who by law aren't mine is a kid or children a woman can use to extort me for my assets. Family and children are made worthless by blk women. Far as blk men perspective on white women goes. We don't give AF about no damn white women. Are u an asset to my life when and if you're allowed in it. Passport bros can do them if that's what they so choose. Those Latina women are groomed to be wives, and y'all aren't plain and simple. The majority of blk women get married because we as blk men understand y'all plight, but don't get it misconstrued. Y'all will never have or had it bad as blk men. That victimized ish isn't tolerated anymore. That's what's gotten us into this situation anyway. Today, we have no tolerance for y'all plight. Y'all have controlled the narrative for too long, and the blk community isn't worth ish. That's on the blk woman. The majority of my generation, both male and female, were raised by single blk women. I'm not gonna blame all blk men for not being in the home. At least 1% I know who was wronged and pushed out of being a father to his son, and there are so many like mine who git done dirty by his blk woman. We had solutions for y'all, but what's the point. Y'all don't want our solutions, so move along and allow that Latina, Asian, White woman, etc, to come in and show y'all how it is done backing a man of substance. I cooked, cleaned, raised our children, and invested in our children who were taken from me at the snap of my fingers. A while working and starting my business. All I use to hear early in our relationship was. U think I'm gonna work all day and come home to cook and deal with the children? Yes, I do it all the time. No value herself, for me, our relationship, our children, and our home. Again, y'all make family and children worthless after leaving the relationship. All that sacrifice of time we give to better the family no longer goes to the family. They is no your responsibility as the caregiver for your family. I'm gonna go start another family with a woman who's gonna value me, respect me, my time, and the family will build together. Far as therapy goes. We men have no issues going to therapy because we know ish is fkd up. Y'all the ones who need therapy. When u think you're right. Who in this world can tell u you're wrong. Vivian, I wish u the best of luck, and please get off them white women back. Y'all are the ones who want the passage of a white woman and the freedom to destroy without consequences.
The statistics do not support your comment. Black women are the highest of all to start a business while the BM is the most incarcerated or the most likely to abandon their kids and wives. And youre BITTER that black women have made it without u
@@THEDOORIZCLOSED: The statistics shows black women are the highest in Student loans debts, the highest in STDs, the highest in being evicted among females, the highest in Single Babies mamas, and the list goes on and on. But you already know this.......Black men the best thing we can do is END THE CONVERSATIONS with Black women. Dump them like the disease they are collectively. Nature is already handling them. Notice ever since they have proclaimed their love for Brads they have been coming up missing and the ones with Brads are being deleted. Let them live in their delusional world. Black men heard me and heard me good.......Never accept them BACK ever. The trust can't not be regained. No matter how remorse they pretend to show. Never forgive....... or forget.
Sadly this conversation is still happening even in my generation today but WAY more toxic.
Forcefully huh... toxic
I have to REITERATE this, these are your GRANDPARENTS & GREAT GRANDPARENTS but THEY ARE MY PARENTS who raised me. So THINK DEEPLY on what I’m saying, they were trying to find their NITCH, coming out of desegregation WITHOUT LOSING the essence of who they were as a FAMILY & as MALE/FEMALE in a economy that for scores of years denied them the opportunity. This was CULTIVATED IN ALL THE SEEDS they were bringing into the WORLD. THEY ARE GONE NOW, and we are taking their place.
Val was in medium cool
The system has designed it this way from the Family courts down. It's designed to tear families apart to fund prison industrial complex and other alphabet agencies that only survive with a revolving door of broken people
Sometimes, it's so difficult to watch videos of past gender discussions, as you get a lot of tired sexist takes in the comments (mostly bots/trolls) that rather go back to a time with less rights out of some delusional idea it'll make their lives "better" with no regards for anyone else.
Most of the only things, I want from history to affect today are fashions and higher taxes for the rich. sigh
I'm not black, but black men have it bad when it comes to their women. I see it all the time. I'm an engineer, and the vast majority of black men I work with are married to white or Hispanic women. I notice that when black men do well for themselves, they tend to date out. I never understood it at first, but after watching this video and countless of other radio shows and listening to black women, I understand why they do.
@TurquoisePurple7 Sky Asian men have never been conquered. What are you talking about? And weren't black women conquered, too? They come to my parents' store and buy wigs for their hair that won't grow. Your whole community, in my opinion, is trash. The men and the women. I was just speaking about an observation that I see in large numbers. When black men finally get educated, they typically date out for peace of mind. Facts are facts. Black women are the least desirable race of women according to statistics. Even their own men prefer not to deal with them.
@TurquoisePurple7 Sky You are making fun of men who were conquered, but yet the black women were conquered too. That's what I was confused by. Your whole race is fuc*ed up. I just watched the video and said I understand why black men who are well off typically don't date black women. They don't know how to be wives and mothers. Most are ghetto combative women. I see it at the job, and they are supposed to be educated.
@TurquoisePurple7 Sky It's the internet, I can post and comment on what I want, just like you. Say what you want about us, Asains. Our family is in order, and we focus on our education, and we don't hate on our people like blacks do. Look how you trash talk your own men.
@@turquoisepurple7sky151 yea bw are!
@@suziepeaches321 black women put chemicals in there hair and babies foreskin on there face in the west so your the one to talk hoe
So what are WE going to do? It’s time to stop talking.
Did they say aks back then or ASK?