Florida State Will Not Be an ACC Member in the Future | Conference Realignment | ACC
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- Paul Catalina, and Craig Smoak discuss their thoughts on Florida State potentially releasing one of ESPN’s “Trade Secret”, their thoughts on FSU’s attempt to get out of the ACC’s Grant of Rights, and more.
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FSU is just trying to push for settlement in order to get out earlier, as dragging this out is not in anyone best interest.
Pretty much all u ever have to do these days to get out of any deal. I’d love to see the whole thing played out
The ACC has nothing to lose at this point. They go scorched earth. It’s all copyright law headed to Federal Court. Probably in the Northern District in Florida
Florida Lawmakers need to get involved. ESPN’s antitrust laws violations need to be addressed. ACC/ESPN collaborators have violated state of Florida current Sunshine laws.
So your point is that ACC, ESPN and Florida State all violated Florida State law? So Florida State who was surely represented by counsel was unaware they were in violation of Florida State law or knew that the GOR was violating Florida state law and advised Florida State to sign GOR anyway??? This is just silliness.
@@becks89 Let the lawmakers need decide/investigate how silly it is, not a keyboard want to be.
Florida’s Sunshine Laws are key here.
@@photo2george523 hardly a wannabe simply asking questions how could Florida State’s counsel previously knew of this and advised Florida State to sign GOR. Florida sunshine laws require for a right of access to inspect which I believe they have.
lol good luck any private company signing FSU ever again!
Good show and excellent analysis.
There’s no such thing as trade secrets is Florida with contracts. ESPN/ACC put that in the contract to keep the low down deal they did under raps.
This is not complicated. ESPN does not have to wait until February, 28th, 2025, they could announce tomorrow that they are staying with the ACC until 2036, and FSU is stuck or is paying $572m to leave. The have had plenty of opportunities to do so, why haven’t they? Remember the ACC gave ESPN a unilateral extension, without the knowledge ( let alone consent) of the members).. My gut tells me ESPN is not extending and FSU knows this and they will be out by August, so they can go to the Big 10 for 2025.
It's possible ESPN fully intends to extend the contract but is waiting because they have no incentive to commit to it earlier than the deadline.
ESPN may prefer to own the playoff over more of any ACC deal..
Espn sucks
The actual end of the Contract is Feb 2027 because ESPN had to extend before Feb 2021 and Jim Phillips extended that option date illegally and thus ESPN may not even be able to extend their option because it is expired.
FSU isn't going to the B1G. Might as well stop wasting brainpower on that. Remember FSU & ESPN are not at odds here.
Help me out here did these guys say the GOR was ironclad and FSU wasn’t going anywhere?
Money talks. If FSU comes up with 300M or so, they might be able to negotiate a buyout to avoid a prolonged and costly legal battle for both sides. But why spend that much to get out, when the ACC offers an easier path to the playoffs?
@@atgdcommish608b10 and sec offer a much easier path! What are you talking about!?
@@atgdcommish608also acc knows they messed up they will settle
@@atgdcommish608Two things. One, FSU will not pay $300m to exit, more like $200m. Two, the payout gap between what the P2 teams get and what the ACC teams get will grow to $30-40-50m a year and FSU cannot afford to pay that deficit out of their own pocket. FSU has to get P2 money to stay competitive. FSU wants a fair market value for their product which is understandable. Last year, FSU put $78m into the coffers of the ACC and only got a measly $36m back. That is a $42m deficit in just one year. That can’t continue.
@@atgdcommish608 easier path to the playoffs? The football program will die if it falls 40 mil behind other brands per year!
Fla. St. was invited to the SEC, but Bobby Bowden didn't want to play SEC teams on a weekly basis. Although I liked Coach Bowden, he wanted to go to the ACC for easier teams to play.
This is such a tired argument. So a comment that Coach Bowden made 30 years ago when the entire landscape of college football should mean fsu is not allowed to want something different now? The entire university leadership is made up of all new people now, why would Bobby’s comment from 30 years ago matter now?
Remember ESPN has SEC contract. They want FSU in SEC
Florida Sunshine laws
Wait till everybody figures out that the teams that want out (the ones that make money) and the TV Networks have been on the same side the whole time.....
RIP ACC, it was nice knowing you.
ACC was fine without FSU.....SEC doesn't want the dumpster fire that is FSU. ESPN is going to lose here. FSU is just going to stay upset.
Nobody wants fsu with all of their low academics, non AAU membership, and questionable ethics. Look at all of fsu's lengthy sleazy history to prove my point. It's not always about the money.
@@wa1w511 My post went clear over your head. I'm sure you meant to make this reply somewhere else.
@@xfacta334 sorry if I changed the subject on you....5am post 📫
Why would FSU nullify the agreement? That would make FSU a free agent where they could go to Big 10 where Fox owns the rights.
ACC/ESPN’s …😊Bad contracts are not honored in America. Sunshine & Antitrust laws address/expose this.
How far in the future?
August 1st, 2025 until FSU joins the Big 10
@@davidbrown386 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 no
@@davidbrown386that’s what I’m thinking.
Calm down Francis. FSU wouldn't name ESPN unless they were ready to throw down.
The contract was not executed, legally…check it out…the BOT did not bless the contract..also the extension was not brought to the members and neither was the lawsuit against FSU…violating conference by laws
If fsu stayed til 2036 , it would almost be a Division 3 school financially because all the money flying in the big 10 & the Sec. You just witnessed how the powers to choose feel about an Undefeated ACC champion.. IT MEANT NOTHING ….
Yes FSU sighed the deal in faith that the ACC would negotiate and take the best deal. If there’s whiff that they took less money to benefit a deal with Raycon not the best interest of the conference. That’s why they want to keep the trade secrets under raps
Thanks for the sane analysis. The ‘it’s a done deal’ clickbait is maddening.
Who wouldn’t want FSU in their conference? They have a HUGE FAN BASE.
Just makes FSU haters nervous that’s all
Go google CFB attendance. There is a listing of schools for the 5 year period from 2018 to 2022. FSU ain't all that in that listing
One thing to clear up: Where in all of the FSU legal arguments do they state that "none of us were here when that was agreed upon"? That would be ridiculous as a legal argument and they are not making that argument.
Now, there was some mention of an argument that whoever signed the agreement did not have the authority to commit the school to that type of agreement and that it required a BOT vote. However, that is a different argument than the one that you were depicting. Don't muddy the waters even more than they are.
We will have this settled by the cut off date of 8/15.
Like the title. Simple.
The weak sisters in the Big 10 and SEC will not be spared
FSU and the state of Florida has the Sunshine Law, which means everything has to be made public. ACC and ESECPN, doesn’t want this. We (FSU) didn’t sign the last agreement.
Sounds like ESPN thinks Florida State will say something a lot bigger than ESPN can walk after 2025
Sec and big whatever didn’t mind destroying college football, with their new additions
ESPN has their cake and can eat it too, the ACC TV rights for dirt cheap until 2036 with the option to bail.
As for a felony, that is a totally dubious allegation. ESPN has treated the ACC as a B tier conference since their contract was signed with the SEC, they demonstrated their respect for the ACC football champion this year by showing SEC teams with losses are considered better than an undefeated ACC champion.I hope the FSU powers that be never forget how ESPN and SEC have treated the school and go to the B1G.
ESPN a spectator no effect
How do you pay a business to leave when that business won’t exist anymore after you leave!?
The B1G doesn’t want FSU and UF will block them from getting into the SEC
I've said it before, if you can find a way to break the supposed iron clad GOR, then why would anyone sign a GOR (certainly with FSU) in the future?
Are we just going to become a society of no standards or principles?
Are you sir saying that FSU has no standards or principles? Because if you are I suggest you do some real research and see what are the true arguments. Here is a thought, use your computer for good and find the actual court documents to read.
Sec doesn’t have GOR
@@richardbrookins5406 I'm guessing you're a FSU fan?
Let me put it another way, suppose you met a woman that wanted to marry you and you found out she had just gotten a divorce, would you not want to understand that situation thoroughly before you married her?
I know everybody has their facts they want to believe but at the end of the day FSU signed a contract and now they want out of it.
Mattclark, pretty dimwitted argument, my friend. May want to think things through a little more.
@@mattclark6482if I met a woman and she told me she had gotten a divorce, I would say awesome because I don’t like messing with married women and better yet, she knows what she wants and currently she wants me. It’s crazy how I have run into a few of you people who believe that breaking an agreement, an oath, a bond is a stain on someone or something’s character. I suppose that’s why there are so many unhappy people today. Take it from a combat vet. You only get 1 shot at this thing called life, you can put yourself in any box you want, you can wrap yourself in the heaviest chains, you can even tie yourself down with the finest silk but there are going to be changes in life and people are going to change with it. Ideas of morality and values are all fine and well . They are a great guide to your path but know this, you chose the path, you chose the ropes, the chains, the boxes and the armor. You can live your life however you want with or without all those bounds because you can bet your ass that everyone else is going to live their life with or without your values.
FSU belongs in the SEC, NOT the Big Ten. 🙄
F espn
FSU wont leave ACC without paying at least 300M
Yeah are you a lawyer or financial analyst
@@kodiakgriz2296 both
Why has ESPN become such a large talking point for MAGAts....ESPN aren't forcing these people to work with them, there's Fox, NBC, OR CBS amongst others when it comes to conference/network deals. Actually, none of these conferences have to work with anyone they don't like...
Think ESPN/SEC has ruined college football with greed
JuneBaby01, Might be time to grow up.
Is there an English language translation?
@@LoCoVANoleno actually it might be time to get your head out of your ass, and quit allowing MAGA to shape your thoughts...
FSU to the Big Ten.
The ACC should not negotiate. FSU signed the deal; FSU needs to honor the deal. If you took a bad deal, too bad for you.
You obviously haven't followed the story.
Bad contracts are not honored in America. Sunshine & Antitrust laws address/expose this.
Law School 101- Contracts are made to be broken.