Where Is It Toughest To Win A State Title In Wrestling?
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I would say PA then CA. I’m from CA. The Southern Section Masters is bigger than most State’s State Tournaments.
With 18 different div lol come to indiana, only 1 champion per weight
@@dustinmccord2046Cali has 1 division you absolute fool.
@@dustinmccord2046california has one champ per weight as well we don’t do divisions
The fact that these guys are putting states that have class wrestling (you only wrestle 20% of the competition) shows how little they know
@@chloethackerthe fact that you have the audacity to comment that multiple former division 1 wrestlers as well as FloWrestling ambassadors know little about the sport just shows how arrogant you are
Wrestled both in Indiana and cali. The average wrestler in Indiana was better, but the shear amount of wrestlers in cali makes it a lot harder to even get to the state tournament.
This clears, wrestled in California and the sheer volume makes it difficult! There definitely are better caliber wrestlers across the country outside of California, but winning a state title in California is extremely difficult.
Fun fact. Historically Pennsylvania has produced more collegiate national champions than any other state.
Pretty well known fact actually. But they have 3 divisions. It's not which state is the best. That's obviously Penn. But they have 3 divisions.
California meanwhile had Zepeda...a guy who stuck Beau Bassett and he's the 5th seed in his HS State Tournament. They have just insane depth. Think about ALL the HS kids in that state from ONE division?
I'd go California, New Jersey, Penn, Ohio, and Indiana. But obviously when Penn or Ohio has two kids ranked top 10 in the state finals...that particular weight isn't going to feel "easier" than other states.
On balance though, Cali is the toughest to win a title.
Pennsylvania only has 2 divisions AA and AAA
@@scourge8097 "California meanwhile had Zepeda...a guy who stuck Beau Bassett and he's the 5th seed in his HS State Tournament. They have just insane depth. Think about ALL the HS kids in that state from ONE division?"
There are many examples of 3 and 4 time CA state champions getting beat by 1 and 0 time state champions from PA, so it's not right to put so much weight on one example when it goes both ways. Zepeda will likely not by a 5 seed after moving back down to 138, I believe he was #5 at 150 pounds, not his natural weight class. PA has so many good wrestlers that even split between 2 classes, the majority of years their AAA state tournament is tougher than any in the country. On average, they have more nationally ranked wrestlers per weight class than all other states.
As for me: 1) PA AAA 2) NJ 3) CA 4) Ohio AAA 5) IL
@emmetthardy8856 Yup!! CA & NJ crown only 1 champion statewide per weight class. So to win in either of these states is a true feat and accomplishment..
All about the available knowledge there like 9 D1wrestling programs in Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania far and away and we’ve been there 30 years. When you have years where half of the Div 1 finalists in NCAA are from one state you know that state is on a freaky level.
Even 2A is loaded now with FCA and Bishop McCourt joining NDGP. Both classes are going be crazy this year.
California only one champion per weight
NJ one champ also.
Bo Bassett was pinned and teched by the 5th ranked California kid. Nothing more to say about that PA superstar.....
CA's 4 time state champion, Vasquez, was beaten by a one-time state champion from Ohio who was over one year younger. So Ohio on that one result alone is better than CA. See? Anyone can do that.@@valiantthor-
The WPIAL seniors in PA wrestle a state team every year and frequently wins that match.
Respect for mentioning Indiana, only having one class is the best way to see whos really number 1 in the state.
I don’t think any state is as deep as PA
I wrestled in California in the late 70s and they only had a state tourney for a few years up to that point. I think 74 or 75 was their first state wide tournament. Back then, winning just the Southern Section was a big deal.
1973 first California State tournament
California without a doubt
😂😂😂 CA is a tough wrestling state. But PA is by far the best wrestling state in the country for high school and college. Not even a question. Go look at the national rankings 1-20 in each weight. And see how PA over runs every other state by 30%
Cali had wrestlers finish 4th 6th and 7th place in the 2023 Championships, not too good.
@@WhosWatchingWhat Bo Bassett was pinned and teched by the 5th ranked California kid. Nothing more to say about your supposed PA superstar....lol
@@WhosWatchingWhatHow many College programs does PA have compared to CA?
@@DeanMalenko120 they have the only one that matters. The #1 team in the country. Penn State
Iowa’s population is ~3.2 million…as a proud native Iowan, I acknowledge that a lot of our state champs wouldn’t even be on the podium in other states. The 90s were a long time ago…
Yea nah ur trippin
Being a Californian native and wrestling five years in college there’s tough guys in every state of course a little biased on California. I’m not saying their number one but they’re definitely top five the amount of wrestling you have to do just to make it through the state championships is a complete grindabout having eight 900 schools is that there’s good guys that can pop out of nowhere. You don’t travel at all that happens every year at the state tournament guys will come place out of nowhere.
I) Penn
2) Ca.
3)NJ
4) Ohio
5) Illinois
Pennsylvania, New Jersey, California, Ohio & Illinois.
Michigan is so underrated it’s crazy
I wouldn't say that they always get their mention. They're definitely a Top ten wrestling state year after year. I would even go as far as saying a top seven. For years when they would Create state all star teams for like disney duels And other Similar tournaments michigan Always did very well and sometimes even won the whole thing
You’re crazy PA is the mecca
They’re also not taking into account the tournaments you have to go through to get to the state tournament. PA has only 2 divisions with only 16 man brackets. Just to GET to the tournament is a gauntlet; especially wpial AA. One has to be top 3 section. Top 4 wpial (subregion) then top 3 in the region.
Kansas used to have a Grand State tournament a week after the state tournament to determine who the state champion was regardless of classification. Only the class champion and runner up from each class were invited.
While not considered the best state wrestling tournament in the country, Washington State has to have one of thebbest atmospheres. Starts with 24 mats and ends with two and fills up a dome stadium with fans.
Is this college or HS?
Depends on the grouping. In FL they have 2A, 3A, etc. HUGE difference between 6A and even 5A.
I know being from New England, we are not known for our wrestling. I think we do have a good format in Massachusetts. Three divisions by school size and the top placers from each division face each other for one true champion so we have both the division one, two and three with one being the big school State champions and the Allstate champion.
This also use to happen in college until Jeff Blatnick was beating all the D1 guys up.
What about Oklahoma? You can’t just take into account the size of the state. Some states are new at wrestling such as Arkansas. I’m from Oklahoma and my senior year we had the only team to ever beat Team USA in 2010. The Oklahoma State line up is made up of 8 of 10 starters from OK. I think it deserves a top 5. I’d place California #1.
125 - Spratley - Eufala,OK
133 - Fix - Sandsprings, OK
141 - Jamison - Durant, OK
149 - Williams - Tulsa, OK
157 - Travis - Stillwater, OK
165 - Olejnik - Bakersfield, CA
174 - Thompson - Frankfort, Il
184 - Plott - Tuttle, OK
197 - Surber - Tuttle, OK
285 - Doucet - Comanche, OK
I’m an Oklahoman but I just don’t think we make the cut for the top 5. Oklahoma isn’t as competitive as CA, PA, IN, OH, or NJ. I’m not even sure OK is as tough as NY or IL either. As much as I want OK to be top 5, I’d put us in the bottom of the top 10. 8 or 9 probably. Just my opinion.
If Michigan went to 1 division, it'd put us in that top 5.
Pennsylvania, its not even close
Really? Down here in Pennsylvania, there is Tyler kasak, from Penn state here, Nate Desmond from pennn state, both Bachman brothers who won super 32. I know atleast 5 super 32 champs down here and like 30 state champs. Pennsylvania on top
Also Bo basset, jax Forrest
PA has the best kids, but there are multiple champs for each weight so I would say not pa. The hardest has to be ca or nj
@@BenSchoene-wr2bg Forrest is from NC
@@BenSchoene-wr2bg i agree
When I grew up in Wisconsin our sectional meet was tougher than most state championships it was 1976 we had only one division and we had 10 place winners and 4 state champs
Definitely PA, but NJ would be right there with PA if the Blair academy kids wrestled at the states. They don’t.
Va has too many divisions but we have some tough kids that do well nationally. But I come from the town with the smallest class in Va and also is one of the best divisions. 27x state team titles
In addition to number of divisions available for a title, you should consider the respective requirements to advance from sectionals, regionals, and semi-states, where applicable. It is conceivable, and has happened in many cases, that a solid top ten wrestler can't even make it to the state tournament because of a stacked regional. In Indiana, for example, only the top two guys advance from sectionals and regionals, but three get to go from semi-state. After I won my sectional and got eliminated in the regional, I remember going to what would have been my semi-state to watch several guys I had beat in the regular season competing, including a guy I had pinned. So, yeah, you could say it was easier for him than for me.
1. PA
2. New Jersey
3. Illinois
4. Ohio
5. Iowa
California is #1 easily.
@@360kam3 Pittsburgh Wrestling Classic runs PA versus everyone else in the whole country. PA wins that maybe 40% of the time. One state. Versus the rest of the country. I don't wanna hear it. PA is the best
@@360kam3they produce a third of the d1 wrestlers of pa and half of Illinois. They may have one division but the talent isn’t as good at the top.
@@iangalt6899it’s not even debatable and I’m not from pa. They just have the most talent
In Arizona - the Division 4 State Tournament (small schools) looks like damn JV TOURNAMENT 😳
Im from az and only wrestled d1. Where did you see d4 from?
@@tylermetcalfbjj17 Saw it on Flo via trackwrestling
A girl just won in Arizona. Case closed on Arizona being any good. 😝
1. California
2. Pennsylvania
3. New Jersey
4. Ohio
5. Illinois
I live in Texas. When I was going through high school, there was 6 school divisions. if I'm remembering correctly 6A was the big schools and they had their own division. 5A and below all shared a division. (most schools under 5A in Texas don't even have a wrestling program). I think it would be better to have a single state tournament despite division for competition, however, A majority of the big schools JV teams would be better than most 5A and below teams. A bit more fair to keep them seperate, but the 5A state champ and the 6A state champ would be in interesting match. Maybe regionals into state should be a state tournament? I went to one of the better 5A schools in Texas. The year before I started high school, my small 5A school managed to beat the power house school in Texas (Yes it was Allen home of Beau Nickel.) in the state tourney. When they split the divisions up, my school dominated the state tournement. I almost went to state, and I honestly had no business even making it to regionals. xD
I gotta go PA, CA, IL, NJ, NY
My dad went to high school in Connecticut and they had the individual class state championship and then took the guys that placed from each class division and then had the open state championship to crown the overall state championship, don’t know if they still do it that way or not. I went to high school in Oklahoma
I graduated in 2011 and that was the format. Maybe it’s changed since.
Winning 3A state in Illinois is pretty tough
New Jersey!
I wrestled in So Cal in the early-mid 90's. At CIF-SS we have multiple national champs. I had one in my weight class Joe Calavitta. CA won nationals in 95 or 96. Both years I was at CIF. Even my league of 5-6 schools have that many state placers. I had one in my weight classes most years. I dont think CA is what it was in the 90's.
Colrado has 4 divisions 5a schools have enrollment of about 3,200 to 2500 students 4a 2400 to 2000 students 3a 1900 to 1000 students 2a 1000 down to 58 students each division has 60 to 70 schools. The state tournament has 20,000 thousand fans for the finals each session 12-16 thousand fans. 6 sessions total.
I mean.... Utah has started to do a super state for the past decade or so but it still isn't quite as acknowledged as the regular HS state championships. I like the idea though. Take the top X number of placers in each division and put them into a super state championship. That way, you still have state / divisional champs but then the best make a run at the overall title.
Decades ago, but i was on a decent, but not championship competing WV team. We took on a FL team with multiple champions in a summer camp dual and crushed them.
We faced a few of the better PA and OH teams and were smashed, tho.
A girl just won in Arizona. That tells you everything you need to know about Arizona. 😂
Doesn't Jersey have only one division. I think its them Indiana and California.
I started in Indiana, then moved to Va. Beach. Virginia for the long time from my high school days through coaching. Until 6 (?) years ago there were 3 divisions. A, AA, AAA base on school population.
Then they split it into 6 division. Because of football. A state champ now is equivalent to a Regional champ in the b old system.
Yeah. There’s only on NJ champ. Blair doesn’t even wrestle in it. Kinda sucks for the kids in my opinion.
Sucks for the kids from Blair?
They recruit nationally and are considered a prep school. I think it's pretty fair to the rest of the kids in NJ
I know they’re a prep school. Many other catholic schools recruit in NJ. I’m not a fan of that either. I’m just loyal to my high school and I hate it when a catholic school “steals” our kids that went through the local program and then are stolen away. I do understand as a parent and a kid you want what’s best, but it just sucks to watch a local kid win somewhere else.
I remember a local kid going on to be the number one ranked kid in the nation. Who knows what he’d have been if he didn’t move to that school, but it was tough to see…. Especially for my friends who coached him growing up.
I do get your point about the kids at Blair, but as a kid, don’t you wanna be a state champion?
Max Forrest was obviously recruited to PA catholic school from NC. He’s wrestling for a state championship. Totally understand if your schools program isn’t great, but I’m still not a fan of this recruiting in high school.
Jax
California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Indiana, then either Iowa or Ohio
Ben's right about Utah, two athletes per weight, also five divisions so it is weaker but great for community spirit and growth of the sport
Virginia back in the day used to actually be a tough state. Great Bridge back in the late 90’s and early 2000’s always had multiple placers at the iron man and Beast. My brother took 3rd at the beast as a sophomore, as a part time wrestler, but that was in 2011 when VA had AAA, AA, A. VA wrestling has been ruined by all of the divisions now! My brother also took 2nd in the state as a freshman. I also beat multiple NJ state champs back in my dad, Hank Stinson, Anthony Baldasaro. Also went undefeated at the Holiday Duals in VA which is tough. But VA was a lot tougher back then, now its quality has just fallen unfortunately!
I also did spend most of my summers spending my time at Rob Wallers in PA and a lot of VA kids used to go up there and always came back on another level!
One division. California will not change. I hate when idiots try to change it. It’s hard to even make it to state here.
MT has 1 million people and 3 divisions. The large school division has only 16 schools.
Illinois being considered controversial in this argument is a crime
California is usually full. Not bussed in. That’s silly.
Bakersfield sucks though.
Illinois the face he made 😂
I think Minnesota is up there. Maybe not top 5, but close.
PA #1
Missouri so underrated
I wrestle in Illinois mostly and Missouri and I’ve always swept Missouri but we talk Mo nationals that’s hard and Illinois is way harder going through both states
It used to be NY, PA and OH. Idk anymore
Just watching this.
Oregon has 1A/2A 3A 4A 5A and 6A
6A is the biggest, your school has to have more than 1000+ kids or so
The 1A/2A division has an 8 man bracket for the state tournament lol. 6A has a 32 man bracket. But there’s guys who are barely over .500 still.
The toughest state to win is in your head.
There should only be one state champion. What's the point of having two, or three, or four state champions from the same state?
The same reason football has tons of divisions. Massive schools with tons of athletes will be much more likely to beat a team from a smaller school with fewer options/resources.
Florida so underrated it 😢.
Jersey all day!!!
Minnesota has 3 divisions, the smallest is just as hard as the biggest. My case for this is based on the fact that 9th grade league single a beat a triple a school this year.
Lmfao. A is nowhere near AAA dude. Get real.
Where is New York at
I beat a guy who got NYSPHSAA state 6th place and I haven’t even qualified for states in PA
@@maverick9653 who did you beat ?
aa in Pennsylvania is brutal.
same with nj
What is Cristian Vader yappin about bro said California bust people in 😂
CA
When all states are pit against each other at folk nationals, Illinois is consistently the best performing state. Flow wrestling even has data that they’ve aggregated and published proving this. Illinois needs to be taken more seriously in the conversation of competitive wrestling states.
This is off topic a bit but why don't college wrestling have a weight class inbetween 197 and Heavyweight ? top 5 Penn,New Jersey, Cali,Iowa,Illinois
I agree. Lots of great wrestlers in that 215 range. Paulsboro NJ always had studs that played football n won state championships at that weight, although one got teched by Damien Han and his bleached blonde full head of hair. 😂
I'm from Virginia
It's California.
Ohio and PA
We would have to go by State population, number of schools that wrestle
I was told California!! Not sure about other states
I have a topic for a video. NJ has been shuffling the district teams with sole purpose of getting more kids from the north Jersey power schools to advance to states. For instance they had Anthony Knox come way south to wrestle at RVRHS this year in districts. There’s a reason they’re called DISTRICTS and regions. They’ve shuffling them up so there’s no more local rivalries. It sucks!!!!
I understand how the better schools feel about their guys getting knocked out, but again, it’s called DISTRICTS!!!! To me and many others it’s fn bull. Kinda cheating also, but the powers that be are up north Jersey.
Ben should be against this crap since he realizes what it means for kids from lesser programs to make states.
It just sucks to go watch a bunch of schools you don’t know. The rival schools in the districts was much better a few years ago. They’re shuffling it yearly
18000 at indiana finals
1 Pa
2) Ca
3) Iowa
4) Ohio
5) New Jersey
New Jersey
It's all about money. More classes bring more parents and fans to the big city.
The question is if it’s harder does it make for better wrestling?
Bro this topic is beaten to death
I went to Nazareth. One of worse teams ever, in the early 2000s, faced an Alabama team. This team had multiple state champs and state placewinners. Nazareth beat them like 60 something or 70 something to zero.
Your math doesn't work out, but I guess you pinned everyone from the other team? Brutal if true.
There are 13 or 14 weight classes in HS. It would have been 13 then. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the score. I did find the year. It was 2000 and Vestiva Hills who still dominate Alabama. I couldn't find the score but I found Blair beat them 73-3. Apparently they were missing 5 starters. So it makes more sense that Nazareth crushed them. I didn't realize or remember that part.
michigan slept on
Texas 5A 106lbs for sure, who ever that kid is is an absolute beast.
Texas is underrated fr the state tournament was crazy this year
We had a former 2 time state champ come to CA and help out coaching and get dawged out by our 160lb sophomore daily….
Let’s set up a flo tournament for the top 3 of the top 5 states. No. 1 seed gets a first round bye
I'd bet money if you transferred any of the Iowa ranked people to CA they'd clean up. There's way fewer schools obviously but wrestling is so much more part of the culture.
Nope. Look at dock B tourney
What a terrible comment. There’s no chance, this isn’t the 90’s anymore.
Clean up lol
You have no idea what you’re talking about lol
That's funny, literally the day you post this. Daniel Herrera wins the 3a state title in Iowa after transferring there for his senior year from California where he won 2 titles.
shade on virginia from askren💔
All these other states have overall 100 plus champions
Jersey I don’t care what anyone says
Ohio is definitely one of the toughest.
IOWA?!?! 😂😂😂😂
Dude all states need a real state champ none of this different classes... Seems like yall handing out participation trophies
PA
OH - CA
NY - IA
NJ - MI
I agree mostly, I'm from pa. Gotta put NJ higher, they put out studs
@@josephwestley321 - I agree that they put out studs but with it being such a small state idk if the depth compares.
Guess that could also be argued that the number of studs they put out for the size of the state proves it should be higher.
NJ gets cheated because Blair academy doesn’t wrestle in states.
Indiana only has 14 titles in the whole state
1.) Pennsylvania
2.) Iowa
3.) Oklahoma
4.) Ohio
5.) New Jersey
Jersey as 5 that’s crazy.
Bro said Oklahoma 😂😂
I can tell you it’s not Arkansas 😊
I'm from Indiana and I agree we should separate state championships. Big and small schools. It's hard to get top tier coaching at a small school when ur gonna forfeit 2 weights every year because u don't have enough kids.
I agree our school has never had a state qualifier and in total we have had 6 semi state qualifiers none of which made it out of semi state, compare semi state to all these other states state finals and it's essentialy the same I think indiana has a deep wresting skill level you can have good wrestlers get to regionals and it ends there but you have to look at at teams and stuff too some are just flat out terrible don't know how when having kids wrestle for years but yeah
California is by far the toughest to win a state title in
Ohio !!!!!
1. NJ
2. PA
3. OH
4. CA
5. IL
PA would be 1 if they had a single division.
Pa or Ohio
Rhode Island. 😆
Nj
Ohio , ohio, ohio