2:01 what he’s known for 3:09 About him 6:15 Predicted the solar eclipse 6:32 He believed the “arche” was the primordial substance of the world 7:01 He thought that everything was made from the same thing 7:40 He had rules for how to find the “arche” 9:03 He thought the arche was water 9:12 why he thought water explain the entire world
A good place to start would be the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: plato.stanford.edu/entries/presocratics/#PriSouTexTra Or A Very Short Introduction to Presocratic Philosophy. Both of those are relatively recent and give a bunch of primary and secondary sources.
But if the ocean is moving, then it’s because the air is pushing it right? Cause if you put water in a tank or basin with a lid, it would not move by itself. But I understand that Philosophy wasn’t so advanced back then.
I think it's also worth adding that life begins in water (like, microorganisms); life on earth began in the oceans, and it's the only medium thought to be able to house all the chemical reactions needed for unicellular life (at least, I think so; I'm no expert)
Great video, this was well explained. αρχή is the greek word for start. Which is what Thales was searching for, how the universe and life started. You can use Google translate for the pronunciation for archi, you need to roll the r and pronounce chi like Hit without the t. Arrr-hi(t).
I've recently learned that the way my professor taught me to pronounce ancient Greek is what is called the "Erasmian pronunciation", or the classical pronunciation. The big difference is in how certain vowels and diphthongs are pronounced. Comparing it with the modern pronunciation, I kinda prefer the Erasmian pronunciation, as it is easier to hear how it's written. As for the rolling r, that is how I learned it too, but I notice that when I speak English, I often don't roll my r when I should.
Zonder ondertiteling was het al leerzaam en leuk, met ondertiteling net iets leuker. Hoewel m'n kennis van de engelse taal redelijk is, heb ik soms wel eens het gevoel, dat ik mogelijk elementjes kan missen tijdens de filmpjes. Verder vind ik de filmpjes over deze geleerden echt interessant. Ben ik toch nog een beetje een nerd? :)
Stuff = Energy + Geometry Life is like a river, perpetually in flux, ever flowing into the unknown. Our choice is whether to swim with or against the current of Life. Arche = All-inclusive.
Thales wasn't really the first astronomer or philosopher, the ancient Greeks and Celts (two of the oldest Indo European cultures) practiced both of these intellectual fields for a long time, and many Celtic scholars went to teach in Greece (Delphos), since the druids weren't just religious priest's, but also philosophers, scientists, physicians, doctor's of law. Thales is perhaps the first historical figure to be identified with accuracy, to have had his ideas recorded by other ancient writers And the language spoken by the ancient Celts was the closest European I.E. language to proto Indo European, and was very similar to Sanskrit (the oldest recorded i.E language), their science wasn't that distant in tradition from Vedic civilization
Solomon's Cave, I like your upload but 'aρχη', is not pronounced arke, it is arhi (arrhi). Which means beginning or the beginning, or in the beginning....! All the same, this upload is right on the money.
Well, here comes my Dutch heritage :P I learned Attic Greek in a Dutch university, and according to my teacher, there's a big divide between continental classicists and those from the anglophone world. The short version is that the pronunciations for the eta and the epsilon are reversed. His main argument was that there's an ancient text that says a goat says βηηηηη ^^
@@SolomonsCave You learned Greek in a Dutch University? Very impressive.... I was born in Greece, (but didn't go to school there), I can read and write it at a basic level, but I sure don't understand the technical aspects of all the 'apostrophes, and other marks above letters and points above some words' etc. Modern Greek has 2 o's, 2 s's, and 3 i's, very confusing!!?? All I do know is I have always had something beyond a fascination with water, anything and everything to do with water. I believe we all came from water, we're all minimum 90% water and we will all eventually go back to the water. I've recently come across Thales and I'll be doing a lot more research on him!
Thales was a Greek from western Anatolia and of Phoenician descent. He gave rise to a manner of thinking that, over time, was adopted the Greeks, then the Romans, then Christianity, then Islam, then early-modern Europe, then "the West". This as distinct from "eastern" philosophy as practiced in the Hinduistic/Bhuddistic tradition(s), cf. the works of sages like Lao Tzu, Confusius, etc.
@@SolomonsCave, he was of Phoenician descent from today's Lebanon, yes quite far and distinct from India and China. He was from the middle and near east with influences from Ancient Egypt and the Summerian and Akkadian religions (today's Iraq and Kuwait).
He wasn't phoenician. Modern historians say that even though he is said by some ancient authors to have been of Phoenician descend, this is most likely untrue since those claims say he was Phoenician on the basis that he descended from mythological phoenician kings: Cadmus and Agenor, who althought they didn't exist it was common for noble greeks to claim mythological ancestry. Also there was no presence of phoenicians in Miletus and all of its inhabitants were greek settlers from Thebes
Thales was not a Greek philosopher. It is true that he was the first philosopher, big lies start with a lie and a truth. If it is approved, there is less truth, more lies, and no truth, the rest is a lie, Thales is a Luwian from Miletus. I want the proof of the contrary correctly.
When I call Thales "Greek", I wasn't commenting on his ethnicity or heritage, but on the fact that he lived in and was part of a city that was considered Greek at the time. I haven't done research on his ethnic background, though some commentors here have suggested a variety of options.
You start your video by saying where he is from and you give the wrong information about his origins. It would be more informative and accurate to highlight his Phoenician origins. Why aren't you doing that? This is very important to highlight to show that there is continuity from other civilizations.
He wasn't of phoenician descend. Modern historians say that even though he is said to have been of Phoenician descend by some ancient authors, that is most likely untrue since those claims say he was Phoenician on the basis that he descended from mythological phoenician kings: Cadmus & Agenor, who althought they didn't exist it was common for greek nobles to claim mythological ancestry. Also there was no presence of phoenicians in Miletus and all its inhabitants were greek settlers from Thebes
@@okpo2596 , that's FALSE. Your claim that these Phoenicians kings didn't exist is baseless. Plus old texts are evidence to the truth, not new inventions of revisionists. His father was born in Tyre and left the city to go to Greece. He is known to have Phoenician parents. In any case there was a connection between Grece and those Middle Eastern shores, as the Philistines settlements nearby were supposed to have Come from Grece
How is it false?? Cadmus and Agenor were mythological figures that did not exist 🤣. And old texts say both of his parents were born in Miletus and descended from Thebes settlers. Historian Diogenes Laërtius, in his third century AD Lives of the Philosophers, references Herodotus, Duris, and Democritus, who all agree "that Thales was the son of Examyas and Cleobulina, and belonged to the Thelidae (settlers from the greek city of Thebes) who are Phoenicians and amongst the noblest descendants of Cadmus and Agenor." So you can see that his phoenician ancestry was based on mythologic origins just like the romans claimed to be descendents of the greeks Romulus and Remus but they were mythological figures that did not exist. I'm not any revisionist I just tell you what the historic consencus is that he was not phoenician
Great summary of Thales. Great pronunciation as well. Thank you.
Seen a lot of videos on Thales and this is one of the best! Good Stuff!
I second this statement. Definitely one of the best!
try listening to episode 1 of philosophize this. It is also one of the best 💖
try listening to episode 1 of philosophize this. It is also one of the best 💖
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2:01 what he’s known for
3:09 About him
6:15 Predicted the solar eclipse
6:32 He believed the “arche” was the primordial substance of the world
7:01 He thought that everything was made from the same thing
7:40 He had rules for how to find the “arche”
9:03 He thought the arche was water
9:12 why he thought water explain the entire world
The best explanation I have ever seen. Thank you
Help me understood the whole concept very easily! one of the best videos. thumbs uppppppp
Thank you.
why did you stop making videos? please return. You are the leader i need
Life... moving to another country, a Ph.D.... other things...
One day I will get back to this.
Will be waiting eargerly for you mate!
gosh i cant explain how much i love this video
Brilliant vid on a brilliant thinker. T
Great work. New subb
Watched all of it 12:04
Excellent.
Excellent!
Excellent video. I am wondering about the sources or references of the information. Many thanks.
A good place to start would be the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: plato.stanford.edu/entries/presocratics/#PriSouTexTra
Or A Very Short Introduction to Presocratic Philosophy.
Both of those are relatively recent and give a bunch of primary and secondary sources.
Aortic smoothly
Thanks.
But if the ocean is moving, then it’s because the air is pushing it right? Cause if you put water in a tank or basin with a lid, it would not move by itself. But I understand that Philosophy wasn’t so advanced back then.
Thought provoking
I think it's also worth adding that life begins in water (like, microorganisms); life on earth began in the oceans, and it's the only medium thought to be able to house all the chemical reactions needed for unicellular life (at least, I think so; I'm no expert)
Hey you really need a video on Heraclitus. Everything else is WONDERFUL.
Working on it, but you'll need to wait a little longer :(
Great video, this was well explained. αρχή is the greek word for start. Which is what Thales was searching for, how the universe and life started. You can use Google translate for the pronunciation for archi, you need to roll the r and pronounce chi like Hit without the t. Arrr-hi(t).
I've recently learned that the way my professor taught me to pronounce ancient Greek is what is called the "Erasmian pronunciation", or the classical pronunciation. The big difference is in how certain vowels and diphthongs are pronounced.
Comparing it with the modern pronunciation, I kinda prefer the Erasmian pronunciation, as it is easier to hear how it's written.
As for the rolling r, that is how I learned it too, but I notice that when I speak English, I often don't roll my r when I should.
I like it
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12:00 dreams
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Zonder ondertiteling was het al leerzaam en leuk, met ondertiteling net iets leuker. Hoewel m'n kennis van de engelse taal redelijk is, heb ik soms wel eens het gevoel, dat ik mogelijk elementjes kan missen tijdens de filmpjes.
Verder vind ik de filmpjes over deze geleerden echt interessant. Ben ik toch nog een beetje een nerd? :)
Wieweet ;) Nederlandse ondertitels kun je overigens morgen verwachten :)
Stuff = Energy + Geometry
Life is like a river, perpetually in flux, ever flowing into the unknown. Our choice is whether to swim with or against the current of Life.
Arche = All-inclusive.
Revelation
Charter change
Lincoln
Marathon
Meanstration
Thales wasn't really the first astronomer or philosopher, the ancient Greeks and Celts (two of the oldest Indo European cultures) practiced both of these intellectual fields for a long time, and many Celtic scholars went to teach in Greece (Delphos), since the druids weren't just religious priest's, but also philosophers, scientists, physicians, doctor's of law.
Thales is perhaps the first historical figure to be identified with accuracy, to have had his ideas recorded by other ancient writers
And the language spoken by the ancient Celts was the closest European I.E. language to proto Indo European, and was very similar to Sanskrit (the oldest recorded i.E language), their science wasn't that distant in tradition from Vedic civilization
Solomon's Cave, I like your upload but 'aρχη', is not pronounced arke, it is arhi (arrhi). Which means beginning or the beginning, or in the beginning....!
All the same, this upload is right on the money.
Well, here comes my Dutch heritage :P
I learned Attic Greek in a Dutch university, and according to my teacher, there's a big divide between continental classicists and those from the anglophone world.
The short version is that the pronunciations for the eta and the epsilon are reversed.
His main argument was that there's an ancient text that says a goat says βηηηηη ^^
@@SolomonsCave You learned Greek in a Dutch University? Very impressive....
I was born in Greece, (but didn't go to school there), I can read and write it at a basic level, but I sure don't understand the technical aspects of all the 'apostrophes, and other marks above letters and points above some words' etc.
Modern Greek has 2 o's, 2 s's, and 3 i's, very confusing!!??
All I do know is I have always had something beyond a fascination with water, anything and everything to do with water. I believe we all came from water, we're all minimum 90% water and we will all eventually go back to the water.
I've recently come across Thales and I'll be doing a lot more research on him!
Western?! he is phenician
Thales was a Greek from western Anatolia and of Phoenician descent.
He gave rise to a manner of thinking that, over time, was adopted the Greeks, then the Romans, then Christianity, then Islam, then early-modern Europe, then "the West".
This as distinct from "eastern" philosophy as practiced in the Hinduistic/Bhuddistic tradition(s), cf. the works of sages like Lao Tzu, Confusius, etc.
@@SolomonsCave No he wasn't a Greek, his parents were phenicians.. so he is a phenician even if he may have been born in malta
@@SolomonsCave, he was of Phoenician descent from today's Lebanon, yes quite far and distinct from India and China. He was from the middle and near east with influences from Ancient Egypt and the Summerian and Akkadian religions (today's Iraq and Kuwait).
Near Eastern philosophy is different from India
He wasn't phoenician. Modern historians say that even though he is said by some ancient authors to have been of Phoenician descend, this is most likely untrue since those claims say he was Phoenician on the basis that he descended from mythological phoenician kings: Cadmus and Agenor, who althought they didn't exist it was common for noble greeks to claim mythological ancestry. Also there was no presence of phoenicians in Miletus and all of its inhabitants were greek settlers from Thebes
Thales was not a Greek philosopher. It is true that he was the first philosopher, big lies start with a lie and a truth. If it is approved, there is less truth, more lies, and no truth, the rest is a lie, Thales is a Luwian from Miletus. I want the proof of the contrary correctly.
When I call Thales "Greek", I wasn't commenting on his ethnicity or heritage, but on the fact that he lived in and was part of a city that was considered Greek at the time.
I haven't done research on his ethnic background, though some commentors here have suggested a variety of options.
You start your video by saying where he is from and you give the wrong information about his origins. It would be more informative and accurate to highlight his Phoenician origins. Why aren't you doing that? This is very important to highlight to show that there is continuity from other civilizations.
He wasn't of phoenician descend. Modern historians say that even though he is said to have been of Phoenician descend by some ancient authors, that is most likely untrue since those claims say he was Phoenician on the basis that he descended from mythological phoenician kings: Cadmus & Agenor, who althought they didn't exist it was common for greek nobles to claim mythological ancestry. Also there was no presence of phoenicians in Miletus and all its inhabitants were greek settlers from Thebes
@@okpo2596 , that's FALSE. Your claim that these Phoenicians kings didn't exist is baseless. Plus old texts are evidence to the truth, not new inventions of revisionists. His father was born in Tyre and left the city to go to Greece. He is known to have Phoenician parents. In any case there was a connection between Grece and those Middle Eastern shores, as the Philistines settlements nearby were supposed to have Come from Grece
How is it false?? Cadmus and Agenor were mythological figures that did not exist 🤣. And old texts say both of his parents were born in Miletus and descended from Thebes settlers. Historian Diogenes Laërtius, in his third century AD Lives of the Philosophers, references Herodotus, Duris, and Democritus, who all agree "that Thales was the son of Examyas and Cleobulina, and belonged to the Thelidae (settlers from the greek city of Thebes) who are Phoenicians and amongst the noblest descendants of Cadmus and Agenor." So you can see that his phoenician ancestry was based on mythologic origins just like the romans claimed to be descendents of the greeks Romulus and Remus but they were mythological figures that did not exist. I'm not any revisionist I just tell you what the historic consencus is that he was not phoenician