Thanks for this Pastor Piper. I found out a couple of months ago that I was conceived through IVF. I was shocked and had a brief existential crisis. Interestingly, it was Christmas Eve when I found that out. Christmas is the time of unusual conceptions. I know that God chose me to belong to His Son before the foundation of the world and predestined my life to be His. He kept me safe and formed me in the womb even then.
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2z
@@noahleith2509 how can you say this? Do you even know there was any frozen embryos? Eggs alone are not life as it needs the male sperm (women lose eggs all the time naturally) - this person was formed in the womb by the Lord. All babies are good, and it’s only in this corrupt world where the devil works is somehow different spewed. I rebuke your comment in the name of Jesus.
I’m not going to lie here, I was beginning to question my own beliefs regarding the soul and it’s origin. However, your conclusion reassured me that God orchestrated IVF babies (more importantly, their souls) before the technology was ever even developed. God bless.
I think we've all been there. Where you're really totally not sure about a certain topic and it really starts grinding and gnawing at your faith. I'm very happy for you that you found your answer. I actually just went through something similar and God made me reaffirm my faith out loud to my dad and I answered myself essentially.
The practice of IVF has become very casual. It is indeed a commodity, and cannot be compared to the example of Hannah in the Bible. IVF has given rise or solutions to sodom lifestyle, single parenting, etc. Imagine women who abort babies at the click of a finger, but still undergo IVF. I know of such a case, where one child was born through IVF, at least two pregnancies that followed were aborted, one singleton, the other was a twin - both spontaneous conception. Knowing that woman she will do it again without much thought. A very deeply self centred and manipulative individual. And anyway, there are so many children waiting for a home/adoption.
It is horrifying to see that people are trying to play to role of God on another level. Man, is capable of a lot (we see that in science); however, there is only one God and he will not give his glory to another. People are still trying to become like God today, but their tower of Babel shall soon fall, so to speak, unless they repent.
The last part was incredibly important. He said, "with sinful humans". I don't take this video as a go ahead with IVF, I hope it is not taken that way. I see it more as it's not the child's fault how they came into the world, and God recognizes that.
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2,,,
The Biblical answer is a very clear no. The last time humans used their intelligence to meander too far into God's domain he took out his wrath upon us. Creating life with technology and our intelligence, whether through IVF or cloning or any other unnatural means is an abomination, and God will punish us for these transgressions against him.
I'm not sure this is exactly answering the question. Are children conceived through rape not knit together in their mother's wombs? Are they not capable of surrender to the Lord? I would answer that they are. Despite our sin, God is still the Author of life. I would argue that a child conceived in sin is still a life God created.
@@lquinn410 Rape and IVF are very different things. Rapes are an essential part of Jesus' divine plan while IVF is not. I don't expect you to take my word for it, please pray and ask Jesus as I did and he will tell you as he told me the answer to this question is "no".
@EatHoneyBeeHappy The army doctor gave me a pill that stopped me from having kids they didn't tell me until 14 years later in April they offered me IVF on behalf of a great full nation blah blah blah I told him God will deal with this nation for this no I don't want ivf its not of God he forms the child in the womb not a dish you all are missing the spirit part Get it tho she liveth her spirit be dead so you can walk around with a dead spirit according to God read people
@@EatHoneyBeeHappyrape has NOTHING to do with God’s plan, rape is a wicked evil act that accommodates the “plan” of cruel monsters who abuse the gift of free will as Satan did.
Don't spread hate without proof. Obviously it is only God that makes it possible for a soul to be created and it is not the scientist that makes the soul, however hard they try, God and only God gives life. Human or animal all life is from God, irrelevant of human intervention.
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2
This was something my heart was convicted about. Asked God for answers and Praise God ! I believe He came through. This was right on time for me. Thank you😭 Jesus
Wow, beautifully explained. I would not have known how to respond to this question at all! Now I have solid place to start. Thank you John, and ultimate thanks to God.
My son is an IVF baby. My husband and I only had two embryos and both embryos were put inside of me. He is the embryo that attached and made me pregnant. The whole process of IVF from beginning to end is a miracle and brought me closer to God. I never once doubted God's divinity and sovereignty as it relates to the birth of my son. In fact, I was given a front row seat to it. What the doctors could not do, could not predict, could not control, could not bring about, my Lord Jesus did (hallelujah). Many Christians negatively judge those who undertake reproductive assistance. For them I pray that they may never know the searing pain of infertility.
I get what you are saying, but I hope you do know many couples take out more eggs than they plan to use, and either freeze them forever or dispose of the ones that aren't" good quality" and even the act of getting the male sperm can be weird if they are obtaining it by showing lude material.
I am infertile and Christian and you’re lucky that you only had two embryos. If you had 20 what would happen to the embryos not used ? That’s where we have to be careful ..
One’s identity is best understood “why” they where born rather than “how” we came into this world! God predestined our existence whether it was by way of being legitimate or illegitimate. Surly if God was not surprised if from eternity He had you and I in mind to exist. Not just us mind you, but also those who have been and will be miscarried or even aborted. What then is God’s justice in all this? First of all He is sovereign! Second, He is the essence of reality for all that exists as well that which doesn’t exist or never will exist! Lastly, He has provided a means to overcome and overthrow our broken state so that we can be as a measure of His grace to a world that is lost and lonely by way of being isolated through a broken identity.
Is a child a right or a gift?..are gifts given or demanded?..the "unsuccessful" embryos..do they have God's mark on them or not?..God's love ultimately is not indiscriminate..it is not to be trampled on because of human difficulties...
coincidentally, my best friend is also named Carly! and she recently found out she was IVF. I struggle with this concept as a Christian, but I love her so much and she wouldn’t be here without it.
I hope people also understand that IVF is not always successful and only cares a rate about 33% success. Meaning that if it’s not meant to be, it wouldn’t happen. I’ve met many women who were not able to carry despite many IVF and IUI treatments. I’m a young wife who’s suffered child loss and of course I’ve considered fertility help but after negating the risks associated with synthetic hormones just make me feel like it’s not good for my body . Personal preference
No. Conception starts immediately. A soul enters. IVF it multiples cells immediately. Souls don’t enter there in the glass, or wait for hours or days before entering
My sweet little muffin was created in my wife’s womb through ivf and Gods mighty hand I would ask you to find an ivf child and look them in the eyes and you will know that it is a child created in the image of God I would only ask of those who do not know or have an ivf child to be careful about pre supposing a theological position on this issue without deeply considering the lives of those who do have ivf children My ivf daughter told me she loved 2-3 times already today the heart that lives in her knit by GOD HIMSELF is very real
Well she was knitted in a sterile human made lab by a human set of hand's & not by GOD.. the lab tech inserted your daughter in her egg INSIDE your wife! GOD did not... The only beings involved in your daughter's manufacturing were HUMANS ! You,your wife & lab technicians.. GOD had nothing to do with it . GOD already told you & your wife that his plans for you did not involve a child because he made it impossible for you both to conceive NATURALLY!! ... You messed with GOD'S design & plans for you...... GOD bless your daughter & the life she was giving as she is not to blame for her UNGODLY creation..He knows this & will love her but you & your wife will have to answer for what you did .
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2n
All babies are knit together by the Lord. Who else would be knitting them together? We must be careful with IVF. I can see implanting all the embryos that are created but I do not think it is right to create a certain number and implant less-it leads to eugenics and also frozen babies.
Don't spread hate without proof. Obviously it is only God that makes it possible for a soul to be created and it is not the scientist that makes the soul, however hard they try, God and only God gives life. Human or animal all life is from God, irrelevant of human intervention.
Imagine thinking the world is overpopulated, but people who can’t have children Force to have children. At least it’s an explanation and will rationalize human cloning. The end...
While all of you are spot on for conception outside of marriage, have you considered that invitro can be necessary for an infertile married couple, using only the sperm and egg from the couple?
Wasant "jesus" a virgin birth? So the son of God was an IVF baby . But somehow a pastor is preaching about how ivf birth is not a child of God. Lmao. I love the hypocrisy.
You probably want to read the story of Joseph in the Old Testament.. Joseph said to his brothers what you meant for evil, God meant for good. But the idea is the same, God uses evil to do good.
Hi Brittney, maybe God doesn't "use" evil but he definitely creates evil, separates people unto evil, puts evil spirits on whom he wishes. Check out: Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Dueteronomy 29:21 And the Lord shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law: 1 Samuel 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil Spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand. I pray this bit of word teaches and blesses you 🤗
Thanks for this Pastor Piper. I found out a couple of months ago that I was conceived through IVF. I was shocked and had a brief existential crisis. Interestingly, it was Christmas Eve when I found that out. Christmas is the time of unusual conceptions. I know that God chose me to belong to His Son before the foundation of the world and predestined my life to be His. He kept me safe and formed me in the womb even then.
jesus wasnt born in christmas
unfortunately some of your embryo sibblings were discarded along the way. Sad truth. Life begins at conception.
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2z
That's a beautiful story.
@@noahleith2509 how can you say this? Do you even know there was any frozen embryos? Eggs alone are not life as it needs the male sperm (women lose eggs all the time naturally) - this person was formed in the womb by the Lord. All babies are good, and it’s only in this corrupt world where the devil works is somehow different spewed. I rebuke your comment in the name of Jesus.
I’m not going to lie here, I was beginning to question my own beliefs regarding the soul and it’s origin. However, your conclusion reassured me that God orchestrated IVF babies (more importantly, their souls) before the technology was ever even developed. God bless.
I think we've all been there. Where you're really totally not sure about a certain topic and it really starts grinding and gnawing at your faith. I'm very happy for you that you found your answer. I actually just went through something similar and God made me reaffirm my faith out loud to my dad and I answered myself essentially.
psst, god doesent exist, free yourself from religion, and nutters like Piper while you can
@@wolflehcar8047 religion, and this lunatic that probably never existed and christ
@@wolflehcar8047 HAIL SATAN
Jesus must have gotten lost in the way back, he didnt came after 2000 years... lol
The practice of IVF has become very casual. It is indeed a commodity, and cannot be compared to the example of Hannah in the Bible. IVF has given rise or solutions to sodom lifestyle, single parenting, etc. Imagine women who abort babies at the click of a finger, but still undergo IVF. I know of such a case, where one child was born through IVF, at least two pregnancies that followed were aborted, one singleton, the other was a twin - both spontaneous conception. Knowing that woman she will do it again without much thought. A very deeply self centred and manipulative individual.
And anyway, there are so many children waiting for a home/adoption.
I love the Biblical insight from these videos! Thank you so much and keep up the great work!! GOD Bless you!!
It is horrifying to see that people are trying to play to role of God on another level. Man, is capable of a lot (we see that in science); however, there is only one God and he will not give his glory to another. People are still trying to become like God today, but their tower of Babel shall soon fall, so to speak, unless they repent.
The last part was incredibly important. He said, "with sinful humans". I don't take this video as a go ahead with IVF, I hope it is not taken that way. I see it more as it's not the child's fault how they came into the world, and God recognizes that.
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2,,,
Exactly! I think many misunderstood this video and its dangerous!
The Biblical answer is a very clear no. The last time humans used their intelligence to meander too far into God's domain he took out his wrath upon us. Creating life with technology and our intelligence, whether through IVF or cloning or any other unnatural means is an abomination, and God will punish us for these transgressions against him.
I'm not sure this is exactly answering the question. Are children conceived through rape not knit together in their mother's wombs? Are they not capable of surrender to the Lord? I would answer that they are. Despite our sin, God is still the Author of life. I would argue that a child conceived in sin is still a life God created.
@@lquinn410 Rape and IVF are very different things. Rapes are an essential part of Jesus' divine plan while IVF is not. I don't expect you to take my word for it, please pray and ask Jesus as I did and he will tell you as he told me the answer to this question is "no".
@EatHoneyBeeHappy The army doctor gave me a pill that stopped me from having kids they didn't tell me until 14 years later in April they offered me IVF on behalf of a great full nation blah blah blah I told him God will deal with this nation for this no I don't want ivf its not of God he forms the child in the womb not a dish you all are missing the spirit part
Get it tho she liveth her spirit be dead so you can walk around with a dead spirit according to God read people
@@EatHoneyBeeHappyrape has NOTHING to do with God’s plan, rape is a wicked evil act that accommodates the “plan” of cruel monsters who abuse the gift of free will as Satan did.
Don't spread hate without proof. Obviously it is only God that makes it possible for a soul to be created and it is not the scientist that makes the soul, however hard they try, God and only God gives life. Human or animal all life is from God, irrelevant of human intervention.
I’ve always wondered this as an IVF baby myself. Thanks for the great video!
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2
This was something my heart was convicted about. Asked God for answers and Praise God ! I believe He came through. This was right on time for me. Thank you😭 Jesus
Wow, beautifully explained. I would not have known how to respond to this question at all! Now I have solid place to start. Thank you John, and ultimate thanks to God.
Mark Scaplen Jr I know right!
Piper is awesome
Christians in general are 😆
@@Izthefaithful christians suck, and piper is a crazy guy
My son is an IVF baby. My husband and I only had two embryos and both embryos were put inside of me. He is the embryo that attached and made me pregnant. The whole process of IVF from beginning to end is a miracle and brought me closer to God. I never once doubted God's divinity and sovereignty as it relates to the birth of my son. In fact, I was given a front row seat to it. What the doctors could not do, could not predict, could not control, could not bring about, my Lord Jesus did (hallelujah). Many Christians negatively judge those who undertake reproductive assistance. For them I pray that they may never know the searing pain of infertility.
I get what you are saying, but I hope you do know many couples take out more eggs than they plan to use, and either freeze them forever or dispose of the ones that aren't" good quality" and even the act of getting the male sperm can be weird if they are obtaining it by showing lude material.
Amen yes. Ty so much for sharing. I just underwent ivf my self.
How do you feel about the new technology of artificial wombs?
I am infertile and Christian and you’re lucky that you only had two embryos. If you had 20 what would happen to the embryos not used ? That’s where we have to be careful ..
Would never happen 20 embryos is not a thing buddy
One’s identity is best understood “why” they where born rather than “how” we came into this world!
God predestined our existence whether it was by way of being legitimate or illegitimate.
Surly if God was not surprised if from eternity He had you and I in mind to exist. Not just us mind you, but also those who have been and will be miscarried or even aborted.
What then is God’s justice in all this?
First of all He is sovereign!
Second, He is the essence of reality for all that exists as well that which doesn’t exist or never will exist!
Lastly, He has provided a means to overcome and overthrow our broken state so that we can be as a measure of His grace to a world that is lost and lonely by way of being isolated through a broken identity.
Is a child a right or a gift?..are gifts given or demanded?..the "unsuccessful" embryos..do they have God's mark on them or not?..God's love ultimately is not indiscriminate..it is not to be trampled on because of human difficulties...
coincidentally, my best friend is also named Carly! and she recently found out she was IVF. I struggle with this concept as a Christian, but I love her so much and she wouldn’t be here without it.
I hope people also understand that IVF is not always successful and only cares a rate about 33% success. Meaning that if it’s not meant to be, it wouldn’t happen. I’ve met many women who were not able to carry despite many IVF and IUI treatments. I’m a young wife who’s suffered child loss and of course I’ve considered fertility help but after negating the risks associated with synthetic hormones just make me feel like it’s not good for my body . Personal preference
No.
Conception starts immediately. A soul enters.
IVF it multiples cells immediately. Souls don’t enter there in the glass, or wait for hours or days before entering
My sweet little muffin was created in my wife’s womb through ivf and Gods mighty hand
I would ask you to find an ivf child and look them in the eyes and you will know that it is a child created in the image of God
I would only ask of those who do not know or have an ivf child to be careful about pre supposing a theological position on this issue without deeply considering the lives of those who do have ivf children
My ivf daughter told me she loved 2-3 times already today the heart that lives in her knit by GOD HIMSELF is very real
Not all children are born of God .
Well she was knitted in a sterile human made lab by a human set of hand's & not by GOD.. the lab tech inserted your daughter in her egg INSIDE your wife! GOD did not... The only beings involved in your daughter's manufacturing were HUMANS ! You,your wife & lab technicians.. GOD had nothing to do with it . GOD already told you & your wife that his plans for you did not involve a child because he made it impossible for you both to conceive NATURALLY!! ... You messed with GOD'S design & plans for you...... GOD bless your daughter & the life she was giving as she is not to blame for her UNGODLY creation..He knows this & will love her but you & your wife will have to answer for what you did .
Most excellent answer to an excellent question 👌💎
think in adoption,, In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2n
Back in the day they simply used a surrogate mother. Only difference is...it was a direct deposit. Perhaps we would prefer that?
Pasto John, I noticed you’re taking a lot of of big breaths in your video, I hope everything is alright with you, God bless.
Superb! 🙌🙌🙌
All babies are knit together by the Lord. Who else would be knitting them together?
We must be careful with IVF. I can see implanting all the embryos that are created but I do not think it is right to create a certain number and implant less-it leads to eugenics and also frozen babies.
So only Jesus didn't need to be fertilized ? The rest of us do, but our souls and our life comes from God no matter how the body is formed ?
Don't spread hate without proof. Obviously it is only God that makes it possible for a soul to be created and it is not the scientist that makes the soul, however hard they try, God and only God gives life. Human or animal all life is from God, irrelevant of human intervention.
I think so because he gave us the ability to learn how to even do this miracle the doctors the scientist he created every thing
I don't know
OMG what a question!
Imagine thinking the world is overpopulated, but people who can’t have children Force to have children. At least it’s an explanation and will rationalize human cloning. The end...
What happens to all the unused embryos? Do they get murdered? ….
They are discarded.
Yes
@coledesttaevadoithawj2207 which is murdered!!!
It answered the question. So is it right to do IVF?
No.
@@CaitHoover can you explain with any scripture?
While all of you are spot on for conception outside of marriage, have you considered that invitro can be necessary for an infertile married couple, using only the sperm and egg from the couple?
Anything outside of faith is SIN.. violate the "born again" conscience violate the Spirit of God..
Are you saying that a married couple using their sperm and egg using IV is outside of faith? Not trusting God to make things work?
I can't believe people actually ask this question.
Wasant "jesus" a virgin birth? So the son of God was an IVF baby . But somehow a pastor is preaching about how ivf birth is not a child of God. Lmao. I love the hypocrisy.
Wow!
💛💛💛
4:35 God uses evil? I think thats a very dangerous statement and I disagree with that.
You probably want to read the story of Joseph in the Old Testament.. Joseph said to his brothers what you meant for evil, God meant for good. But the idea is the same, God uses evil to do good.
God is sovereign over all things! Even Satan, evil & hell. God bless.
Hi Brittney, maybe God doesn't "use" evil but he definitely creates evil, separates people unto evil, puts evil spirits on whom he wishes.
Check out:
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Dueteronomy 29:21 And the Lord shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:
1 Samuel 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil Spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.
I pray this bit of word teaches and blesses you 🤗
What about cases of rape where a baby is conceived
They are gifts of God too
What about pushing atheists into compromising
👍
Reproduction is a sin
I stopped listen to John Piper when I found he is not a true reformed believer.