Avoid THESE mistakes when polishing paint!
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2024
- Polishing paint can be incredibly fun and rewarding -- but it can also be stressful, time-consuming and traumatizing (if something goes really wrong).
So how do we keep it fun and rewarding without the downsides? We listen to this podcast:)
Nick and Yvan break down 10 -- actually, 11! -- polishing mistakes that you should try to avoid. And, during this discussion, they also outline what you SHOULD be doing and thinking while polishing paint.
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GOLD STANDARD WAFFLE PAD: bit.ly/GoldStandardWafflePad
GOLD STANDARD WOOL PAD: bit.ly/GoldStandardWoolPad
ROTARY JEWELING PAD: bit.ly/RotaryJewelingPad
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Yvan has to be the most informative detailer i follow not ti mention he is cool as hell and he just has a coil look but he is so direct and diwn to earth with his explanations he is what i am striving to be like in this detailing world! Big ups to him🎉
I appreciate that!
another great video. I thought the higher speed would polish better, creating a higher gloss than the slower speed. This is exactly why I listen to you both. I learn so much. Thank you for giving so much back to the DIY industry.
Glad it was helpful!
these dudes really go inside baseball, It really goes to show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
It’s not just a hole, it’s a really big labyrinth.
This is phenomenal …thank you guys for continuing to put forth information that is both purposeful and applicable to anyone in the detailing world!!
Thank you
Great job guys. The Knowledge you guys pass is amazing.
Our pleasure!
I could listen to you guys all day. So much detailed information
Keep up the great work
Wow, thank you!
If ever you can get your hands on a Jeep Wrangler I would love to see how Nick and Yvan handle the intricacies of the body. Hinges, grill, fender body crevice.
Jeeps are a real pain:)
I would love to see this!
My gf has one.
Right when she took delivery I gave it a light polish, and gave it some Optimum Gloss Coat - aside from the front clip (which I took to work and had Xpel PPF installed early 2022) That was 2021.
My first vehicle at my current job was a black Jeep Wrangler too!
The polishing wasn't too bad, but trying to install the Ceramic Pro coatings was an absolute nightmare. I almost quit over it. Absolute hate that stuff.
@@diydetailofficialdoing a jeep. Would you charge extra such as a full size vehicle price bc it’s going to take that extra time?
@davidsteckley8846 yes
Great video. The most informative polishing vids I have ever watched.
Wow, thanks!
great info Guys! long overdue for this type of platform (DYI) Thanks Nick and Yvan for going beyond in every area.
Thanks so much! More to come😃
Very informative and will definitely help when I am polishing my car. Thanks 🙏
Happy to help
This was such an informative video. Thanks guys, I learned a good bit.
Thanks for spending time with us!
Very helpful - thanks for putting out this info!
Thank you!
As someone who has worked in the optical polishing world for 40yrs, I’m amazed that in the past 5-10yrs, more and more of our basic techniques and terminologies have been picked up by the car detailing world.
Orange peel, (polishing) slurry, marring, sleeks, arm & spindle (basically dual action), polish ‘break down’, etc, are all optical polishing terminologies.
Next, you guys will be using Zygo Phase Shift Interferometry to check the polished surfaces. 😂
I love it. 👏👏👏
I worked in the ophthalmic field in the 1980’s
I think I saw some spectromophonografer machine some guy used in one of these here videos!
Great video! Always learning something new!
Glad to hear it!
Thanks for the tips. I only do this as a hobby but nontheless I still want the cars to come out as good as possible. I continue to learn and improve thanks to you guys. Great products and great advice.
Thank you.
Thanks for all the knowledge! You guys are great.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you guys for the excellent video a lot of knowledge that I learned today.
Great to hear!
Great information guys! 👍🏼
Thank you!!
Many thanks for these golden tips! I learned a lot of it!
Glad it was helpful!
Always learning, thanks guys 👍😁
Our pleasure!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge much appreciated
Thanks for watching.
Excellent info! Thank you! 🙏🏻
Glad it was helpful!
So informative, thank you!!
Thank you.
Excellent information as always.
Glad it was helpful!
Man, this was some good info in this video. Definitely learned some things! Love your videos! Keep them coming! Just subscribed to the Facebook page to get some more detailing-goodness!
Thanks for the sub!
Great info as always. Thank you!
Our pleasure!
Thank you, like another said, great detailed information.
Thanks for watching!
thank you for the help. Now I can begin on the black Accord.
Perfect
Thanks......very good informations.......best for you both....
So nice of you
Nick looked cool on the thumbnail! I always enjoy these podcasts and it never hurts to learn and relearn. Yvan will understand this saying by a famous race car driver Fangio…..”The secret is to drive as slow as you can and still win the race.” This was my formula in racing and it worked. This philosophy applies to polishing too but you just have to have patience. Thank you guys for all you do!
Agreed or from Jackie Stewart
“The smoothest and quietest way-the slowest way-around Monte Carlo is the fastest way.”
Working on my just painted El Camino. I didn't know about using a moist foam pad. It makes perfecr sense
Excellent, what generation of el Camino?
Thank you this was very helpful.
Thank you
Use the analogy of a drill. A cool drill cutting slowly will remove metal as nice curly shavings. If you speed up the drill bit and it gets hot, the drill stops working.
True
I've been agonizing over which polisher to buy so this was a refreshing video for me. I think I will settle with a random orbital DA polisher anyway because I've seen videos of newbies burning their paint with compact orbitals and forced rotation polishers. I have a Prius which completely lost it's clearcoat on the hood, roof, and tailgate that i'll be using as a test.
Good plan .
Guaranteed I made all these mistakes. You value them more when you find solutions. ❤
Absolutely!
100% spot on !!!! Yvan u are the man
Thank you
Woah! I finally realized how important the different pads are, if you can use just ONE polish to do the job! Put money in pads, not 6 different compounds? Revolutionary to me!
I also liked the profound philosophies that all went in one direction : don't overthink it, experiment a little, keep it simple!
Thank you.
Great channel which I've just found so I've got loads to catch up on.
Welcome aboard!
So much we need to re-listen!
Such an informative video Nick and Yvan!! Definitely earned a sub from me!
Thank you.
Great tips again from Yvan the ‘glistening guru’
Glad you enjoyed it
All the mo' better for double checking those reflections...🤪
I love this stuff it’s like having free dessert 😂 nice job guys keep up the good work 👍
Glad you enjoy it!
Great tips guys👍🏾💯
Thanks for watching!
just subbed....Thanks for the tips!
Thanks for the sub!
I build acoustic guitars either shellac/French polish or a water based instrument finish. After the build process you wet sand to level and polish. I can see the mistakes I have made now. Thanks.
Thank you for watching.
Thanks guys you answered all my questions. Im a new student. Thanks
Our pleasure!
I learned so much thank you
I'm so glad!
Awesome, informative and just a pleasure to watch your guys' videos! Thanks for the great content. The damp pad with the LC 4000 in combo with your gold standard spray polish is just a game changer!
I agree, I always do a test spot. I was just curious to know if there was an average of thickness removed on the wool vs yellow waffle pad but I get it's tough to answer. Would be a cool test to see though. Kind of like the test you did 3 years back with the rag company on which machine will burn through first.
Do you ever use your yellow waffle pad on the rotary now that you have the red jeweling pad? Thanks again. I really appreciate that you respond to everyone's comments.
Does the wool pad clean glass more effectively then the yellow waffle pad?
The wool cuts more, yes we still use the gold pad on the Rotary, both work for cleaning glass.
I thought it was nonesense, but having a test panel made such a difference in my learning curve. Everyone needs one when they first start
Yes, it’s a safe playground to experiment
Thanks for the info. I’m getting ready to polish my car next week to put on a ceramic coating. I’m a little nervous as it’s my first time but I think I can do it.
You can do it.
Can you upload a video
This may help.
Do you have a complete video of how to prep including removing existing protection before ceramic?
We have quite a few. Here’s one
czcams.com/video/ZA2UpDFaXn0/video.htmlsi=eEYeu_52xBMw57YH
Thank you, 👍👍
Thank you too!
As usual very good video. Can also the glasses do with regular polish to have smooth surfaces and remove water spots?
Yes you can!
Merci! Yvan pour les précieux conseils, j’espère que vous allez ouvrir une boutique de distribution DIY au Québec pour pouvoir profiter des ventes de vos produits. Bonne année à toi ta famille et ton partenaire de travail.
Nous avons Waxit a Montreal pour la distribution aux Quebec.
Thank you!!
Thank you for watching
Thanks guys! I just got the Lake Country Pad cleaner bucket like you all use. Can I clean your wool pads with it in the same method as a foam pad? Thank you.
Yes you can!
Hi from Finland😊
I have been doing a bit of detailing, not much, but I at least have a basic understanding for most of the stuff, and I would like to learn more. I have for quite long time wanted to start a detailing business, but have unfortunately not gotten there yet. But I have a lot of questions, and some of them popped up in my head watching this video, thanks for great content by the way😃
1. Hypothetically maybe, since the paint should stay as cool as possible to get the best cut, can the temperature in the shop make a difference in speed, lets say, keeping it at 15˚C vs 20˚C?
Yeah, I know, that might have been the sillyest question, but still curious, I think I have yet undetected adhd😆
2. You say, the slower speed, the more cut, there is probably a minimum speed tho?
3. For a basic polish, like a one step quick polish, how thorough should I be? Yes, I know, one answer is that it depends on how much I charge and so on, but I have a hard time stopping myself from trying to get into every little corner and it easily gets time consuming, where should I draw the line for a basic polish? What does a basic costumer expect and how can I stay close to that?
4. You put ”NoRinse” in the pad cleaning water? Just any kind or a specific? What dillution?
5. Since the pad should be damp, could I assume that I can start polishing a car while still slightly wet from washing procedures? Will some water on the car mess with my polishing process? Am I better off starting with a bone dry car?
6. When you polish, do you also polish the lights? Front/rear? Same polish and pad?
I’m not asking for headlight restoration, just if you do passes over them to enhance gloss a bit?
7. Does not nessecearly belong here, but when it comes to pressure and heat, I’ve been working with Carpro Ceriglass a few times and done a few windshields, but in that case I suppose that pressure is good and maybe speed too, but its hard to be certain, because regardless of how I try to do it, every time doing a windshield feels like an eternity, so have you guys done windshields and what method in that case seems to work best for you?
Maybe I’ll stop here before you ban certain Finns😅 but thank you in advance for your answers😊
Thanks for the questions, you may also enjoy our facebook group
bit.ly/DIYDetailFacebookGroup
1: 20c is ideal for the paint and chemicals
2:500rpm
3: the average consumer expects clean, glossy scratches, meaning 3 passes ( e-w, n-s, e-w) and you’re good.
4: DIY Detail Rinseless Wash at 256/1 dilution
5: a little water exiting the cracks is fine.
6:yes polish as your polishing the paint
7:polishing glass should be reserved to removing water spots. Scratch removal is possible with very specialized tools, and training. What’s available to detailers to work with our tools is an exercise in frustration.
Great job Gentelmen👍🏽
Thank you.
I would love for Yvan to design a diydetail rotary polisher ..I know u guys are coming out with DA polisher . Can’t wait to get my hands on that
The rotary will also be released in March
@@diydetailofficiallet’s go 🎆
What about for the final polishing step with red pad, would you still only go up to speed 3-4 on the DA polisher? I had the misconception that you can finish at a higher speed and with quicker passes when using a finishing pad.
Speed 2-3 max
Tap into the wisdom of Yvan. i just ordered your polish, rinseless, pads and a lotta other stuff on Black Friday deal. Thanks for the discounts.. or id probably have not ordered as many.
NOW, Im gonna polish my truck and put a Ceramic coating on it. Gonna be my first ever polishong and ceramic coating.
That’s great, let us know how it goes in our facebook group
bit.ly/DIYDetailFacebookGroup
Nick, when you burned through, did you have to have a repaint done? I've done it myself when working at a dealership may years ago. At the time though, the dealership actually armed us with what was top shelf products of the time. I just messed up or overdid it. The client didn't notice and I avoided a bullet. Issue is, I of course knew as did my manager.
Yes, I paid to have it repaired.
I remember in a earlier video about coating a car that has a few year old coating on it you guys said if I remember right that polishing is needed to get the old coating to accept the new one. My question is if I polished a door panel does that old coating acceptability for accepting a new coating only last a hour or two or longer
It will stay until it gets dirty
Can you please explain how to ceramic coat over hard plastic like on a 23 WRX? Another question how do you go about reapplying a fresh coating after the 3 years is up?
Simply prepare with DIY Detail panel prep. Then apply as you would on paint.
When it’s time to cost again a light polish will prepare the old coating for the new.
You talk about the pad washer with foam pads but what about microfiber and wool? Do you recommend using the pad washer for those pads after each section?
All pads
Hi I'm thinking of starting to machine polish my own vehicles at home and deciding what machine ect to start with. Being a painter and decorator I own a makita BO6050J sanding machine which gives you options of both sanding styles including random, my question is could I by the polishing plate for it and use it on my vehicles instead of buying a new machine ? TIA
Yes, absolutely
I just bought a polisher. Seems I should have seen this video first!😂
Never too late! We are all learning every day :)
I already apply 5 year coating and maintaing with your ceramic spray, can I apply Swiss 40% Carnauba wax just for the fun of it , anytjing adverse ?
go for it! no, we actually kind of like you applying wax because if it gets a water spot it's on the wax and that will shed a lot faster than, say, Ceramic Gloss
You guys said you can use a orbital sander for polishing your paint. So could use my Milwaukee M18 orbital sander? It has variable speed. I use don’t want to damage anything. What speed would you recommend?
Yes, speed 3-5
Im obsessed with the red jeweling pad, also purchased DIY rotary. I started with a DA Bauer yellow standard. Now i have a whool pad and use the DA to cut 20mm. Im just confused on the speeds. Rotary with red jeweling is speed 1(rotary) . The yellow and whool pad do i use the DA speed 3? I know for deep scratches 5 5 5 method. But for normal 2 step?
Speed 2-3 on that DA is appropriate. Basically you want it just fast enough to maintain backing plate rotation
Man y'all got me wanting to do my truck.
Go for it
Will this polish work on paint that is heavily oxidized? Its black paint that has some milky type spots.
Yes
Great and very very informative podcast!! 1 question on your polishing system. When you refered to the diminishing "rocks" in the polish and the combination of a DA and it's pad size, can we say that slow 21mm DA with the woolpad means the most aggresive cut? Did I get that right? I'll be a little proud of myself if I came to this conclusion and it's right 😂Thanks for the continuous free knowledge!
Your correct.
@@diydetailofficial Well then thank you very much for explaining it so well!
You ever think about selling your spray bottles? I've thought a couple times that it would be nice to have matching bottles for when I mix all clean or rinseless as a touch-up. Maybe I'm just weird and OCD
The cost would be too high. We sell other bottles, but they come with product.
Ok guys that first point is absolutely what I needed to hear. I get really frustrated when doing corrections on my car and I can’t get the perfect finish with some slight scratches that can only be seen at the perfect angle. I thought I was doing something wrong.
Happy to help.
Before I go and buy a polisher, how often should you actually polish your own car? If it’s just the initial treatment do I really need to purchase a polisher when I’m just doing my own car? I haven’t watched the video yet. You may have already addressed this question.
Polishing should only be done if absolutely necessary.
Great video, thank you!
Currently trying to finish out soft black paint using a forced driven da8 with yellow Rupes da foam pad and Koch chemi fine compound.
It looks really amazing but in direct sun there’s tiny little swirls or ticks as you mentioned, which are extremely hard to see even with my Scangrip but in the sun it’s driving me crazy.
So I tried Rupes da white foam pads and their uno pure and I just can’t seem to be able to get rid of these tiny swirls, do you have any advice?
Am I putting too much polish? I’m putting 4 small pea dots, Am I running too fast? I’m using speed 3, or is it my machine? Am I moving to fast or slow, what speed do you recommend?
Thanks!
On soft black Paint micro marring is a real issue. Make sure your pad is clean and just damp. You also want to go around speed 2-3, no pressure, and move slowly. Also use less product.
Do you recommend washing the Rupes foam pads after each set? Worried they will be too wet and spray everywhere, I’m currently using compressed air only.
Also just read about using a stiffer pad, shall I stick to the medium foam pad with the lighter polish or stay with the white?
Am I better off with a rotary?
It’s frustrating as the paint looks amazing until the sun turns up to ruin 2 days of work.
Thanks again
A few things, do not used compressed air on pads. The forced rotation machines do not spin fast enough to properly dry the pad. You can , once spun out, press it against a thick MF towel.
Yes a rotary, with the right pad will provide a better finish.
I'm looking into a budget friendly rotary, it says the minimum speed is 1500 RPM...in your opinion is that too fast for gloss enhancement? Could 1500 work with fewer passes? I have an 8mm DA and your GSP system, should i just stick with that or go for that particular rotary?
Way too fast. 800 RPM is a minimum
Great video! I do have one question: What speed do you recommend for the gold standard on a rotary? The lowest mine will go is 600 rpm, I believe.
That’s perfect. You want it on the lowest speed setting
@@diydetailofficialGreat 👍
Could you give the link from the video how to clean the pad without the bucket ?
Just take the pad off, dunk it/then wring it out inside the bucket of Rinseless Wash, put it back on polisher and free spin the damp pad into that bucket until it's nearly dry. But here's another method: czcams.com/users/shorts-85EUb8N6Mo
@@diydetailofficial do u know if carpro ech2o can be used as rinseless wash or the other method with microfiber towel ? Because at my country is difficult to find dedicated rinseless wash products
First time catching a premieres🚀
Welcome!
Thanks🤝
Enjoy
Great video as always. I'm a diy and want to polish my full size truck. How many sections would you break the hood up into?
If you haven't ever polished a vehicle before, break it up into 6 equal sections. The last thing you want to do is get overwhelmed. If you work in small sections, it will give you the confidence needed to do a great job. If you work too big of an area, without experience, then you can get yourself into trouble rather quickly. You want to avoid as many problems as possible, being as you may not have the experience to get yourself out of those tough situations.
Follow Yvan's techniques and you will be fine. Good luck and have fun!
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Never work more width of a section than the width of your shoulders. Doing so during polishing can cause unnecessary fatigue and can also create inconsistencies with your polishing motion and results. When applying a wax or sealant by machine, you can go bigger sections (even entire panels or more) if you want. Good luck with your truck and enjoy it!
“Stop overthinking” lol I’m the poster guy for that. That my precious paint is a finite resource is so intimidating! “Don’t half-ass it then cover it with semi permanent ceramic” is where I’m at ☹️
Good
What is the name of the small round polisher that you were using. Thanks
There are many shown in the video, please let me know at what time.
2:04 in the video is the polisher I’m talking about. Thanks
Milwaukee
What size backing plate do use on that rotary?
5 and 6 inch
Hey guys I ordered my package a week ago and its supposed to arrive today. The tracking number given is not working and I cant see if it shipped or not. Really could use some help!!
Send an email to amy@diydetail.com
I have a sticker like decal on the back of my car, from the dealer, how do I get that off?
There are rubber wheels that go on a drill for decal removal.
You mention a lot about using slow speeds for the best results. I"m new to polishing and just bought a rotary polisher (after watching your videos and recommendations). It has 6 speeds but the lowest speed is 1600 RPM.Is this going to be too high of a speed?
1600 is definitely too fast
What would be your recommendation for the lowest speed preferrably?
400-800
Can I use any old polish in a spray bottle to use less polish and work a larger area?
No, the polish needs to be engineered to spray
@@diydetailofficial thanks for the reply but why would it be different?
The abrasives, and carriers are different to be able to spray. Also with our polish, all you use is one spray, which is the equivalent of a pea sized drop, other polishes you need yo use 3-4 drops to get them to work. With The Gold Standard Polishing System one spray is all that’s needed.
Even though I done three step polishing, those scratches are not removed, what can I do for that?
I would leave them alone, they are probably quite deep and you’ve already removed clear coat with a 3 step polish…you only have so much clear coat to work with before you burn through. Best to appreciate your shine, even if there are scratches left:)
Any scratches you chose to remove should be done in the first step.
so the wool pad is good for Dual action or rotary
Both, but better suited on a DA
Do you need to ceramic coat after polishing?
Ideally, yes
Using a larger backing plate than the pad is just dangerous snd itresponsible.
As soon as the backing plate comes into contact with the surface, its going to scratch.
You may want to revisit the part where you talk about using any size pad with a rotary plate.
I know thats not what yiu meant but thats the way it came across.
Thank you
I love listening to you both. It is a given friction is heat. Rub your hand together and add pressure and speed even more heat. Thank you guy I have been afraid of trying because people always talk about burn threw the clear no pressure and low speed I'm going to give it a shot thank you.
Thank you.
Going for the heavy selling
How so?
I polished my whole car with a light polish, did the glass because the bottle said I could, now if there is glare off of a traffic light I can see small swirls in it, is this just the nature of glass polishing or did I do it wrong because I’m not using cerium oxide and a super abrasive polish?
What polish, pad , and machine did you use?
@@diydetailofficial Rupes LHR 15 mk3 Rupes fine wool pad and uno advanced
@@bugnautica-lo9ng the wool pad may have been too agressive.
I was hoping you might mention when it's time to change pads and when to throw out your pad.
We clean our pads as we go, so no need to change them out. You throw them out when they start breaking appart
I throw my pads out when the velcro is bad, if a rookie polishes on the edge for a long time and the pad is no longer straight enough for the job, also when you see a circle on the pad from the backing plate.
Can anybody explain why a polishing machine comes with different coloured foam pads? Cheers
The different foams are different hardnesses of pads. Think of them as different grades of sandpaper. The Gold Standard Polishing System uses on polish, but 3 différent pads to adjust the level of cut and finish.
Issue: Not all of the swirls & minor scratches were removed from the tailgate. Waited a day & tried again. The minor scratches pass the fingernail test, runs over it smoothly.
Solution?
I have a 2021 black Volvo XC40. Performed paint correction using: Griots G9 random orbital. Rupes DA HP course cutting foam pad with Meguiar’s Ultimate Compound. & DA polish foam pad Turtle wax Ceramic Acrylic Black Car Polish.
Good save
??? Huh ??? I was looking for a solution. I was unable to get rid of some swirls & minor scratches after using compound & polish.
Sorry, misread your comment, I thought that’s how you saved it.
I can suggest using our The Gold Standard Polishing System. With our wool pad, followed by our foam pad should correct what you need.
Understand the misread ;-) Ok & thanks! Need to try the rinseless
wash product. ~ Thanks ~
So ANY polishing of paint will take off clear coat? Makes me not want my new car polished unless it's an absolute must. In Michigan we close to 400ppm in our water, so I get SO many water spots from washing at home and really cant afford getting a DI system just for 1 car. Not sure what my best alternative is...
Wash with rinseless
@@diydetailofficial 👍
Got my first polishing machine today. The pads were fixed via Velcro and one came off mid spin. I’m yet to retrieve said pad but my guess is it’s in our orbit. I have now purchased safety goggles.
That’s a rare occurrence.
Had that happen once with Meguiar’s pads in the late 2000s. There was a manufacturing defect with the glue to the hook and lip backing. They replaced the pads for me.
@@diydetailofficial your videos have been very helpful. I have a yellow truck and the sun ain’t too kindly on the paint. Through your guidance it’s looking like new. I guess using a polishing machine is kinda like making a jack and coke. Too much soda is gonna ruin it.
@lordmclovin3694 thanks
@@yanniobkirk5744 once I find it or replace it, a little crazy glue and I’m golden