The Real Cruising Sailboat - Morgan - Episode 115 - Lady K Sailing
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Want to go cruising on a sailboat? You better look at a Morgan Out Island 41!
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Good discussion on the Morgan Out Island 41, but you completely missed the key feature that Charlie Morgan strongly emphasized in the majority of his designs - SHOAL DRAFT!
On the west coast of Florida and in the Bahamas (where most Morgan's live), shoal draft is seen as far more than a simple design feature - it is a safety feature.
The great majority of Charlie Morgan's racer-cruisers were shoal draft keel centerboard designs, and all of his Out Island cruising boats featured shoal draft keels.
The original Morgan Out Island 41 - as big, heavy, and roomy as it is - only draws 4'-2". Few new boats of this size today can be found with such a shoal draft - even fewer without an otherwise complicating centerboard or swing keel.
Also, while people (mostly non-owners) often disparaged the boat's lack of performance upwind, Charlie Morgan fully understood how most cruisers actually use their boats. He noticed that no matter the boat's windward capabilities, most cruising sailors will motor upwind and only "bother" with sailing when off the wind. So, understanding that reality, the Morgan Out Island 41's "windward sailing performance" really isn't an issue for most cruising sailors. And, off the wind, the boat actually moves surprisingly well if one bothers to trim the sails properly, and otherwise manages to keep the bottom clean.
In the late 70’s, Morgan Yachts came out with a very popular 38, aft cockpit sloop. They offered a shoal draft version for the east coast or a deep keel for the west.
@@johnffmitchell They did. However, that boat was designed by Ted Brewer, not Charlie Morgan. Charlie designed the first 38' model in the late 60's - a keel centerboarder that only drew 3'-9" with the board up. 😊
After Catalina bought Morgan Yachts from Beatrice, I heard that they attempted to redesign the 41’s keel to relieve that upwind problem. I do not know if that project came to completion.
They did modify the underbody, but it was more of an effort to modernize (market) the boat and perhaps improve manueverabilty under power in marina settings. The long keel was replaced with a longish fin and seperate rudder with skeg. This mod could have dramatically improved the windward performance had they made it substantially deeper - but keeping in mind that "shoal draft" was always a major factor in the boats desirability, they had to keep it shoal - certainly under 5'. So, they ended up with a 4'-10" draft with the new keel. That is still not too bad for a 41' boat, but it was simply not enough to make the boat a dramatically better performer upwind. (...When cruising, their owners still end up motoring upwind if time matters.) And, that 8" penalty in draft made the newer boats less desirable than the older ones for some sailors frequenting areas where every inch counts.
I have a Morgan 51 and it’s like an apartment. Best money I ever invested!!💕
Morgan 382 is also a popular cruising boat as is the 44 CC. I raced on a Morgan 30/2 in Wrightsville Beach NC
I've got a 82' Morgan 416 ketch and absolutely love it. So comfortable and well built boat. Definitely love her.
I'll never forget when I went to the Bahamas on my Cheoy Lee, and a friend was following me in his Morgan center console with a couple of beautiful ladies. I ended up borrowing one of them, and she never left my vessel, or my captains cabin berth until I brought her back to Port Canaveral.
Loved the I Phone joke :)
AWESOME! Been waiting for this one. I live aboard an ‘83 Morgan 416 OI in Fort Lauderdale.
Great history on the Morgans! 🙌 Always look forward to your videos, research and knowledge!!
I need a bucket for my drool
Great history lesson Tim - really enjoying this "winter" season.
Love this series! Would love a video on the Southern Cross lineup ;)
Lmao 🤣 My fantasy boat for years, as a child! Early 70’s, weekends on a Southcoast 22! Sail & Cruising on the coffee table! Your pace made me add: “and a partridge in a pear tree!”
Thanks Tim always appreciate your reviews of the boats
I've had 2 Morgans and believe me when I say, they will take you anywhere. Both of mine circumnavigate the globe and in comfort and safety few boats offer. If you are fortunate enough to find a 51 with a bow thruster scoop it up, and the world will be your oyster.
Have a '77 OI 41. Love it. Lake Michigan - never seen salt water. Big Perk diesel 4 blade prop. 220 gals water; 220 fuel. Sloop.
Another great video Tim. Keep them coming.
Love you honesty in these videos
Love that boat
Awesome brother love this format. Thanks for your effort ✌️🥃🔥
Nice job Tim! Been curious about Endeavor too. Love this series as I plan to make a purchase next year. Thanks!
Hi Tim, KYAN II and her crew loved your honest appraisal of her. Keep Sailing.
I have agree with you on some of the features of the Morgan. I once went to see a 38 ft and I was amazed of how much space was inside. And the engine could be accessed easily from all sides and even the transmission from the aft berth, a full size, being center cockpit. I walked away, after making an offer, because she hadn't been on the hard in over 8 years, this old man living in it with his son. Each on their own cabin. I thought the boat was overkill for me as well. It was a sloop, but huge. I'm glad I walked. Co-captains are hard to come by unless she already owns a boat. Best of luck.
Thanks Tim.
Don’t forget about the Morgan Classic. It’s an Out Island redesigned as a sloop with a better keel. I own one from 1987 and have the owners manual still. Lots of pics of it on @capitano_fish on Instagram.
When I was young my grandfather bought Morgan Outisland 51 and kept her in Lake St. Clair in the north Channel, I wish I remembered more of it or had the chance to sail on it with him
Really interesting video! Couldn't stop watching.
Best sail of my life on a Morgan.
Awesome video yet again!
I own a 1981 Morgan 32 and love it. I've had it in 39 kts and it sticks like glue. Not the fastest but it's a sailboat.
With all the things on especially the USA election Your videos are a wonderful diversion from everyday life.
You are also becoming the sailing master of history of Sailing and how the different manufacturers came about and their history! I love it!
I owned a 42 Irwin ketch rig in 1991 I would love to hear your prospective on this boat! The only thing it lacked was a washer dryer for clothes.
I sure do miss her 😁🛫
Our first sailboat was a Sunfish. The second in 1980 was a 1974 Morgan OI 41 ketch. We owned it 29 years sailing in Florida and The Bahamas. Easily sailed, very stiff, confortable, rugged and as fast as any similar cruising boat. Not 24,000 lbs; loaded for three months cruising it weighed 32,500 ! They're all very old now as am I.
One of the sailboats I owned was I Chris Craft Apache. 1967. Came with atomic 4 engine. A sloop.
Thanks a lot for the info on Morgan’s
Excellent
My family visited the morgan facility in florida in '77, I have always loved the lines of the out islands espec the 41. There's a sailing channel that has a out island 41, I believe it's "sail beyond sunset".
Thanks for your videos. My husband and I are new to the sailing world and are trying to learn about the types of boats available out there before we buy.
Great winter series. Love these history lessons. Thanks for all the research and presentation. Any chance of digging into Moody and the convoluted history there?
My first boat was an OI36. It was a super comfortable boat, lived on it for 5 years with out daughter. Slow as a snail until the wind piped up over 15 knots, but I knew we could go anywhere on it. Sold it for what I paid after 5 years. I would buy another on. One other thing about Morgans though, the interior is mostly plywood and veneer. Not much teak at all.
I lived on one for 7 years. If I would ever go back to a momohull it would be a OI 41.
Hi Tim, I am one of the guys who you hooked uo with Mark to sail S/V Vagari from Buffelo to Detroit.
Morgan 41 the greatest boat that ever lived!
I shopped a Morgan back in 1987, it was huge, but it had been rode hard and put away wet. If I were shopping Morgan’s today I would Check it’s history as a charter. . .
We've got a gorgeous HC 50 we race against in Marina del Rey. She's red. I race a Cal 24, a very classic looking sloop with a wine glass stern and 7/8 rig.
OI's are great boats (I have one) but I agree, right now with inflated prices there are better options! I love the full keel. and I agree the full keel is great (just not in a marina) but I love mine, I paid just $5800 for mine and put in a lot of sweat equity!!
14 years ago I came very very close to buying a Morgan 41 out Island sailboat to this day I am still looking at them and this is a great consideration for anybody. Right now I am getting ready to sell my home and Yucca Valley California and I'm going to move to Florida the Nature's Coast Crystal River or Homosassa Springs and I have to say the out Islander 41 is on my list for sailing the Caribbean or Beyond and I actually do regret buying that vessel yes they're not beautiful but they are very very accommodating the AFT cabin is perfect the engine room is unbelievable and well I have to say maybe someday I will get one sooner than later of course since I'm moving to Florida.
Would love to hear your thoughts on Hans Christian. Thank you for one of my favorite channels.
Yeah, I, too, would like to hear your thoughts on the HC boat. Awesome channel this.
Another awesome video. Not sure I would want a ketch. The double mast scares me a little.
Great job Tim. All good info as usual. Might want to slow down your hand movement.....save it for the new lady ....cheers
Another perfect example of the effect that having a following has on a boat's price. Our Hughes 40 is about as similar to the Out Island 41 as you can get (and even more so to the Out Island 415 from a few years later), but we got her for less than half of that average OI 41 price. We don't have a workbench, though, unless you count the flat surface on top of the battery compartment.
waiting patiently for some lake boats that i can use in Alberta!!! small obviously :)
An episode about G. Prout and Sons would be really interesting, the “grandfathers of the cruising catamaran industry”.
Great series on boat brands. With your experience, it would be great to get your ideas on how to and where to overnight on a trip heading south from your area. Getting from the Delaware Bay south is easy, but from New England to the Delaware Bay is a big question mark????
Ahhh....in 1986 the Catalina Morgan 41 Classic starting being made and has some important differences that improve on a lot of the downsides.
Excited to see the upcoming video on Chris Craft! My wife and I have a Sail Yacht 35, so it will be interesting to see your take on them! If there's anything you want to know about that model from an owner's perspective feel free to message me. Fair winds!
I’m interested in a 1978 Morgan Out Islander m33.
Fresh water boat but has been in salt some.
I’m new to sailboats but I’m eager to learn.
The out island 41 made me think to see if you’d talk about Columbia and specifically the Columbia 45 as a good and heavy older cruiser..
I have Hull #4 Morgan 37' West Indies
Westsail 32 the boat that launched a thousand dreams?
Hey Tim I'm thinking about buying my first sailboat, have owned two powerboats. What do you think about 28' oday?? would love to hear a couple words from ya! love your channel
Any thoughts on the M38?
There is one near me that looks very well kept, near new sails. Has an atomic bomb, but I ain't scared of that and kinda leaning towards eventual e conversion anyway.
7:26 - 8:20 I literally got a boaner.
The American cup was named after my grang uncle Richard Brown.
Great video! I sent you a message on IG about supporting your upcoming Chris-Craft video (I live in Algonac), not sure how often you're on there but wanted to make sure you see it.
What mic do you use? Sounds great.
Love the sound of this one; but I heard these boats are slow.
Seaward 26RK review, please!
I thought the Catalina 42 was the most popular sailboat over 40'. Am I mistaken?
CS yachts also
I own a 33 OI and love her. I have replaced every system on board. So yes like most older boats they need upgrading and yes she is a bit of a ugly duckling but she is big wide and steady and will always get you there
Thanks, another brand I knew nothing about, but now can at least survive a tiki bar conversation.
I really enjoyed your episode on Hunter and am eyeballing the Legend 35.5 as my first cruising boat.
Critique: wave your hands less while you talk 😐
just remember that they do not have much of a keel, they will not sail to windward very well, off the wind.. great
Do sailors ‘hot rod’ their rigging? Can you put a different mast on the boat than what it came with? Way Likeing Your Show!
I would love to donate something to you, but I'm a broke dude in his 20s that got to inspired by you and bought a seidelmann 299 on lake Erie! I would really like to take you sailing on my boat in the spring! you totaly sold me on the life stile!!!
Used to race against Bob Seidleman on the upper Chesapeake. I think his company got bought out by Hunter or merged.
That's awesome what do you think of the boats or have you ever been on one ?
Sailed a couple 41s in the 80s not a performance boat but had a ton of room for its day a pig to tack -we went on to build a Whitby 42 with longer keel and taller mast also a fun bath tub. :)
Never mentioned the blister problem?
you left out the super rare (10 built ) Morgan aft dinette/ full size bed rear cockpit 37 o/i i have one.
37 Morgan entertainment model
We just bought the 1990 41 Morgan Catalina Classic. Thoughts?
I have one. Love it
@@captainfish7236 From what we understand everyone does! Best buy we think!
That’s enough the buy an iPhone 12 😂😂😂
All those features sound like a lot of work and money to keep up. I think I'd rather keep it simple simple with something like an Alberg 30, and give it the "James Baldwin Treatment." For significantly less than $50K an Alberg 30 can be purchased and then completely refit and outfitted for world cruising with everything brand new except the hull, assuming you do the work yourself.
What is with the market? We planned on starting our serious shopping this winter but the market is completely discouraging.
Covid is driving the price for any family recreation option up in price. Powerboats, Sailboats, RVs, snowmobiles, are all significantly up in price. Family travel trips to amusement parks are way down.
@@jamesbaumgartner9243 So will there be a glut when the pandemic clears up?
@@ynAMe6Aj certainly possible. Or this could indeed become our “new normal”.
Another great episode I’m always to see what you ll bring next
I wish you’ll a beautiful perfect partner
You mentioned that in the sailboat market right now everythings worth double its value? Why whats going on?
Covid. Sailing is the ultimate way to “social distance”. The boat market is hot. I’ve got a friend whose an engineer for Mercruiser and he says they have a 6 month backlog. He’s getting a helluva bonus this year
@@proangler1961 oh ok. I might have thought that so many people feeling financial hardships would be a drag on it all but I get it.
@@RC-bl2pm those without hardship (while lucky) are looking for a ways to socially distance and recreate family time.
I’ll probably put out for a boat ride bro…..just saying
The I-phone comment is dated now since you could never hope to purchase one so cheaply - which is why smart people avoid them.
Westerly please just do it . How can you ignore the Griffen . I've never met anyone who's 1st contact with a sailboat wasn't a Westerly . I'm not a fan boy I want a moody . But a Westerly Berwick is literally the cheapest 30ft boat you can get . They like £12k to 15k mint and there just everywhere .
Type sailing yacht into ebey or gumtree . Even Apollo duck and it's just westerly after westerly . The owners are fanatics . How can you ignore the most common boats of all 🤷.
How funny you show that red Morgan in Florida its been on Yacht World for a long time and when tried to get the broker to send more pictures before I want to see it he was basically kind of stupid and just told me what more did I need typical broker.
If it was the 1990 Morgan Catalina 41, Red. We just bought it. St Mary's Ga.
Do Cheoy Lee now and change your criteria to prettiness.
Hello.
Charlie hunts wife Shirley is still alive. I happen to be married to her for the last 27 years. As Charlie died of cancer the year before.
You can speak with Shirley if you choose. She is 87 years old now. But I can put her on the phone for you.
Reply if you want to speak with her
False, iPhone12 costs..
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one billion dollars
Please....keep your hands down while talking
Why the pic at 0:49 ? It's REAL downer.. Why mixed violence with sailing? Not nice!.. Not nice at all... People go sailing to get away from it.