Uh Oh, He's Falling In Love! | Puppeteer - Epic The Musical | Reaction/Analysis ft
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Intro: (0:00)
Reaction/Analysis: (4:27)
Final Thoughts: (27:07) - Hudba
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Fun fact: the voice for Circe, Talya Sindel, and Jorge are actually dating in real life
@SerenaThrope
This makes me incredibly happy why didn’t I already know that
I love that Gigi commented on the "Ruthlessness" reaction with "Is this why I'm being spammed with Wet Hades?" 😂
This is wet hades.
Was it the actual shared reaction or just Mortius' solo reaction?
@@somedudewatchintv5297it was shared
@@somedudewatchintv5297 The shared reaction.
😂😂😂 poor Gigi.
Btw Circe is a Demi god. Half Nymph half god. Her godly parent is Helios for anyone wondering
She's a goddess-witch, inmortal and connect to the sun thanks to her dad Helios
she's not a demigod, she's a full goddess. being "half nymph" is the same as being "half god" bc nymphs ARE goddesses. both of circe's parents are gods!
Well Demigods are half mortal half god. As a half nymph half god, it makes her a minor goddess. There's a difference in the Greek pantheon of gods between Major gods and Minor gods. Essentially, Major gods sit on the council of Olympus and are mostly children or grandchildren of Kronos (except Aphrodite who is Kronos' half sister). Minor gods have more minor and specific roles compared to Major gods and goddesses.
No, for 2 reasons.
1. She's a full goddess
2. Even if she wasn't, DEMIgods are ppl who have a god as one parent and a MORTAL as the other. Not a nymph, satyr, minor god, or anything else.
@@BlueCookies1116 question. How come Circe came out a god while Polyphemus was a cyclops? Is it like the Percy Jackson version where the type of Nymph matters? Or are Cyclops considered minor gods too?
You pointing out how the Puppeteer having strings as her instrument had me pausing the video and starting at the wall frozen for a good few seconds. That is SO CLEVER and so OBVIOUS. JORGE WHEN I CATCH YOU JORGE
22:50 Hear the lyre? Someone's eavesdropping.
Edit: I forgot Gigi showed him in this animatic. Yep, Hermes is eavesdropping, and he invented the lyre, so it's his motif.
"It's a game of wits. But you don't have to play." Eurylochus, you said it yourself, he relies on wit, so this is his expertise.
To be honest i thought he said "That you'll have to play"
Yeah that's what I heard too@@DaTrueFolder
What do you think Eurylochus was about to confess
@@user-gc3qy6vv6h I really thought it was how Ody always tries to save his men, which he discusses when Oddyseus wanted to save the men.
@@user-gc3qy6vv6h 💨👜
6:07 Translation: "I'm not at the point in my character arc where I'm ready to deal with whatever it is you need to say." 😆
The what saga continues
What?
Edit: I’ve always wanted to be that person who starts the chain. That was my goal. My life’s mission has been succeeded. Remember meeeee
What?
What?
_w h a t?_
_w h a t ? ?_
The 'Full speed ahead' melody at the beginning sound like the "We should try to find a way no one ends up dead" part
Just a thought :^)
Additionaly, this part in Full Speed ahead begins with "Polites, gear up" - I sure wonder if it's supposed to show that Odysseus is back to thinking about him :')
I remember seeing a Tiktok about how Circe saga is basically the musical beach episode, your one respite before everything goes to hell, or well, the Underworld.
RIP ELPENOR
o7
Something I love is that Circes' instrumental representation is practically the same as Penelopes, and that makes Odysseyus interactions with Circe so much more interesting because she's so similar and yet so different to his wife.
ironically theres something interesting about circe shes one of the few god beings who is diagetic a decent bit while singing kinda implying shes not really the same as other god beings and only sometimes embraces it gigi even shows it with other gods their eyes are always glowing but circes only glow sometimes
That right. It's a perfect way to show that while Circe isn't a God, she neither a human.
@@terra4822 Indeed. With her technically being a demigod, or a *half* god, it makes sense she would only use it *half* of the time. Or rather, yknow, partially
@@Scatterbrained_Watchingdemigod is half mortal half god. Circe is a minor goddess.
@@ArbIe-lu2jd well that makes even more sense then, since she uses it partially. Man. I don’t know my god rankings
When you react to "no longer you", you HAVE to watch Ximena Natzel animatic. ITS SOOOO GOOD PLEASE
Also, Eurylocus' flow switch is a remnant of how Jorge first starting writing Epic a lot more like Hamilton's hip/hop rap style.
Even if the video didn't feature a slight visual cameo for Hermes, you can actually hear his presence with a descending string of notes being played on a harp in the background.
“That’s full speed ahead”
And when Eurylcus starts to sing luck runs out starts to play and when Odysseus starts to sing it changes to a guitar………a NYLON STRINGED GUITAR genius.
you guys missed the appregio playing when Eurylicus is trying to talk to Ody in the beginning, alluding also to "luck runs out" giving a hint as to what Eurylicus wanted to talk about!
I don't understand this, what's the hint😭❓
@@keona5560 Listen at the piano at 08:18 there is the motif, also at 10:30 there is the melody of luck runs out
The fact that he says he must confess something... It hints to me that he was the one who opened the bag, or at least one of them... He wants to lift a weight from his shoulders and Odysseus sends him away because he suspects it, but does not want to hear it confirmed. If Eurylicus had said "no", no one in the crew would have opened that bag. In the best-case scenario, he saw what they were doing and didn't bother intervening.
@@germaincedy7274 Also, when Odysseus starts talking, the melody is played on the nylon string guitar in the background.
IVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED
I THOUGHT IT WAS TODAY
Me tooo 😭
so did I lol
Same
SAME😭
I think it originally was but they moved it back a day for whatever reason.
banger fr
FR
There's this one song in the second act that, I'm excited for you to see cause its a BANGER
Wet Hades
How does he only have 90 likes rn lol
Btw Circe is a god being the child of Helios and an oceanid also fun fact her name is technically Kirke since the letter C isn’t in the Ancient Greek alphabet
The crunchy and punchy is in "Wouldn't You Like". Crunchy like a Tootsie Roll. 🤣
I'm pretty sure that the confession Eurylochus was trying to make at the beginning was regarding the bag that was opened. Immediately prior to its opening, Eurylochus was on his ship "spreading seeds of doubt" and he wasn't there to help keep the bag closed. Odysseus was awake for NINE DAYS trying to keep it from being opened!
I don't know what will be of my days once this reactions stop coming out, it's so fun to see you guys discuss and react something as incredible as Epic!
Gotta admit, i had a hard time finding the danger motif on this saga but i finally got it!... today😅
About Puppeteer:
1) The melody of Full speed ahead, at the beggining of the song? Just keep in mind, it could be used for something else on the future
2) In the scene in which Odysseus is ignoring Eurylichus, if you listen REALLY closely, you can hear the melody of Luck runs out in some kind of music box
In some version of the odyssey, Polites is still alive and is the first man who enters Circe's palace
circe is a goddess but she's a minor goddess but while being a minor goddess, she's also an enchantress
Is it just me or at the start of Puppeteer, during the discussion between Odysseus and Eurylychus, the piano melody remind of luck runs out but slower and higher ?
I never notice that before, but during the reaction I notice a pattern that seem familiar from another song, and the last few notes of the piano, before the "Okay" of Eurylychus, it remind me of that melody. "You rely on wit, and people die on it. Whoa" that's what I think it was
Puppeteer is such a good song!! One of my favourites, especially the detail in most of the animatics of his summoning a cyclops!
Spoiler for the Underworld saga:
Oh Casper is NOT ready for Polites' part in the Underworld song lmao, that is gonna hit like a truck, and then Odysseus' mum too.
Forget a truck, try a freight train
I'm grateful for Casper's impatience. 😆
Is he falling in love with the music or Circe? The music is great, tho!! 💃🍷
Could be Circe’s voice too. It’s amazing.
@@strangemaryghstrangemary exactly. ❤️
yes
We love talya sindel
I can't dislike Odysseus a single bit. It is not surprising at all that he insists on saving as many lives of his men as he possibly could regarding what happened before he even left for the trojan war in the first place.
He might wanted to prevent the worst.. for we know, humans always try to fight what has long been established even against better knowledge.
I don't really tell a significant thing but there's general knowledge from greek mythology ahead, so here is a slight spoiler warning or something, folks!
Odysseus didn't want to leave his family for war because a prophet told him a few things, like how long it would take him to return, things he would lose on his way back and how all of this journey would affect himself.
I do know one animator had Eurylocus's eyes having the color of Circe's magic. So I think an animator leaned on the same idea of him being controlled. I should find that animation.
But I love seeing your reactions to this! It was awesome to see!
I also love Gigi for the lil Odysseus and pig hanging by strings like puppets at the end.
I love how the ambience of the animatic changes in 15:42 when Circe appears since she (from my own knowledge) has the ability to 'charmspeak'. The change of ambience gives that detail and that's why the men were so easy to lure in. That little detail just makes me want to jump up in joy
Have you seen the post-recording jam sessions they did in the earlier days? Teagan (Athena) did parts of "Warrior of the Mind" and "My Goodbye", Stephen Dookie (Polites) did part of "Open Arms", and Armando Julian (Eurylochus) did some of "Luck Runs Out". Luke Holt (Zeus) did part of a song from Act Two, so I'd suggest probably not watching that one, even though I personally can't figure out the context of the song. All of them are amazing, and Jay plays the piano for them all.
To be fair Odysseus and his crew were caught off guard when Polyphemus brought and used the club
Upon rereading the Odyssey in recent days, i realized something HORRIBLE about Eurylocus, and i am NOT OKAY.
Wut is it?
Mortius! Please tell me you recorded "monster" with gigi's animatic. IT'S SO GOOD. I would even say it's better than puppeter, which is saying something.
CAN’T WAIT!! Another great reason for my birthday to be a great day!
Happy birthday !
Happy Birthday
Here for the premier!! Enjoyed journeying with you. Also.
Mommy nymph
Also part of mommy nymph circe's hair looks like the folded ears of pigs
Oh this is gonna be good.
I cannot wait when you get to the last song of Act 1. AND THEN you will see the best Gigi animatic. (well... both Gigi animatics for this song are perfection iykyk)
Fun Fact:
In the start, where eurylochus is talking with Odysseus you can hear the strings constantly playing the danger is nearby motif!
In Homer's _The Odyssey_ I'm fairly certain Eurylochus wasn't wise enough to not go in. I can't recall if I ever actually read the original text, but I think I saw someone mention it somewhere.
Yeah in the Odyssey he’s a coward and didn’t go because he was scared instead of wise
@@agatha6999 No, I mean I think he went in and got swineified.
@@disableddragonborn That isnt the case. Its actually Polites who gets swineified
It seems in some iterations of the Odyssey he actually is smart enough to avoid Circe. In general he isnt swinified to tell Odysseus whats happening
@@agatha6999 They arrived on Circe's island _before_ they ended up on Polyphemus's island?
I am so sad I missed the Premiere!!! This is one of my three FAVOURITE SONGS!!! your guys' insights and remember she is the child of a god! her voice is amazing and so fluid!
20:25 Talya Sindel! She has such a pretty voice!
Ah, the song that made me ship Eurylochus and Odysseus with that "let's run just the two of us!" :'D And Circe's lines are just so amazing the simple double meaning of "Circe's got you now" 👏👏
They're brother in law🤣🤣😭
Something that I just noticed! You mentioned the piano still being there. So I started to pay more attention. When Odysseus is shutting Urilicus down, the piano played a motif to Luck Runs Out!!
I'm fascinated by the decision to use the melody from the line "then 600 men can make this whole place burn" specifically for the intro to this song
I think it's actually meant to be the "we should try to make sure no one ends up dead" line
@@ChaosOnyx it is
haha !! fun fact: what Eurylochus (??) is trying to confess in the beginning is that he’s trying to tell Odysseus that he encouraged the men to open the bag …. Eurylochus, cmon
Uh, spoiler
In the strings playing under Eurylochus’s and Odysseus’s dialogue at the beginning, there is the slowed lead up to the danger motif and after they finish the highs of the danger motif play quicker right before the glissando.
I hc that Eurylochus is ace bc he is the only one who stayed outside
Or he's gay.
Could also just be gay.
Pretty sure almost everyone in Greek mythology was bisexual. Buuuut my personal philosophy is all characters are ace until proven otherwise…
You do know he’s married to Odysseus’ sister right?
@@agatha6999 I mean if he didn’t have any kids he might still be ace????
I just realized the beginning part shares some of the same rhythm/notes as Show Yourself when Odysseus met Athena the first time!
5:02 synchronised headphone adjustment, the hive mind is real!
😭😭😭
I really hope that when they reach to there are other ways they react to the anniflames version that came out between Mortius's last time reaction to the song
My entire department just left me alone - perfect timing to watch! So excited!!!
@Mortius and @CF Reacts 21:00 For contexts, Circe has power/control in this situation. If you remember at 14:11 that the men are 'powerless to a woman' and Mortius said that 500 men were alone for a very long time. It makes me think that Circe and her nypmh's were SA and to protect her nypmh's and herself. There's a condition and if reaches the checkbox she turns them into pigs. I'm not into Greek Mythology. A lot of time the phrase 'you are a pig' normally means lack of self control. That's my intact of the phrase of 'No I'm not a player, I'm a puppeteer'. It what victims of SA do.
20:07
isn't that a bit more brutal, since gunnie pigs are rodents and preyed upon way more?
also do transformed people have the lifespan of what they get transformed into?
7:35
This is the same tune that we hear in full speed ahead.
"Polites, gear up. You and I'll go ahead. We should try to find a way no one ends up dead"
Which is a devastating way to start the song when he's down to 43 men of the 600 that he started with
Something I think goes a bit unnoticed in this song is how it shows Eurylochus' development. He's still a voice of reason and has a militant mindset but he's changed some. If you think back to Full Speed Ahead, he says "600 men, 600 reasons to take what we can;" each individual person that was in their fleet was someone worth fighting for to Eurylochus. In this song, his role stays the same but shifts views, as he says to leave behind the men turned into pigs, they're no longer worth fighting for in his eyes. After losing so much Eurylochus just wants to get back home even if he has to lose a few more along the way.
"Think about the men we have left before they're none, let's just cut our losses, you and I, and let's run." It's kind of hypocritical and contradictory but it's by design (think Ironwood wanting to risk it all to save Atlas even though it results in him then trying to bomb Mantle and thusly kill most of the people he's supposed to save and do some of Salem's job for her).
so excited, the wait is so worth it!!!
Random thing for you Circe is actually the child of a couple Divine parents the one pairing I remember most is Helios the former Sun God or personification of the Sun and a sea goddess so it wouldn't shock me at all she has some very wild powers
Oh ya and hermes instrument is harps and plucked synth arpeggios and Idk if you can hear the arps but for a second you can hear what I think is Hermes’s moteif. And I believe when men showed up last time on circes Island they killed her nypths (please don’t mind my spelling) and she is their queen but she says they are like her daughters and that no matter what she would protect them in a later song and the part of full speed ahead that plays in the beginning of puppeteer is “and if we don’t return that 600 men can make this whole place burn” which in my humble opinion means that Odysseus is feeling that I no longer have 600 men as he is looking out seeing the remaining men and his broken ship. And also it may be a longing to go home because in full speed ahead they were heading home. I know that was a lot to read but I had a lot to say
I always look forward to these Epic The Musical videos they're always fun to watch
I'm loving the dual reactions btw but actually something that I just noticed while rewatching both of your reactions to this song (although It should have been obvious to me before but we wont talk about that) is that Circe turning men to pigs is a clear choice. She could very much turn them into any other creature or horrific beings if she really wanted to and she clearly has the power to do that but instead she made the specific choice of turning them to pigs. Now, what is a common negative phrase spoken about men in general by women especially ones who have a clear dislike of the male population? That 'Men are pigs'. Thought that was a interesting little tid bit
You guys are so great, loving your reactions :) Haha cannot wait for you to hear the Thunder Saga!
Well, now I’m like 20% more embarrassed I got your name wrong 🙈 But I’m truly so honored you found joy in our reactions; this show has brought joy and connection into my life in ways I never expected, and I’m happy to give some of that back to the world, and now even to the humans behind it like you and Jay!! Keep being amazing, I can’t wait to see what you all bring us next 🤩⚡️
@@officialmortiusoh my gosh haha no worries at all 😂 I’m so glad!! And thank you! :)
heck! its my like 9th watch of this animatic and only now do i realize what Eurilicus's flow switch up reminds me of. Its George Washingtons part in Hammilton! that brutal almost pugnacious rap flow out of nowhere is very reminiscent
If you hear Eurylochus at the beginning, he wants to confess something to get off his chest. My think is that he was about to tell Odysseus that he was the one who opened the bag. Keep an eye on him Ody, “Never really know who you can trust” “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”…
"when does your run luck out"
Casper 2024
I'm LOVING these reactions so much. ❤
And I’m LOVING all the support from people like you!!!
"Where is the pampam? Where is the crunchy punchy?" LOL
Its funny Casper thinks the sight chained(?) effect may be Circe's instrument and the intricate drums a sign of divinity considering its almost the exact inverse! What with the modern elements symbolizing her magic and the string/drum combination characterizing different sides of *her*
A great reason to look forward to tomorrow!
Circe is a demigoddess, the child of a nymph and the Titan God Helios. That would make her the cousin of Zeus, Poseidon and the like
Because Helios is the brother of Ouranos, Ouranos is the father of Kronos, and Kronos is the father of Zeus
So her grandfather is Zeus’s great-great grandfather
Great reaction!
Talya Sindel is amazingly talented. She and Jay are a couple blessed by the Muses themselves.
Considering the theory that Athena is still watching over them or is speaking through Eurylochus, I'm half wondering if the thing that Eurylochus was going to tell Odysseus at the start of the song is about how Athena had come to him after what happened with the cyclops. Food for thought maybe?
I saw Casper’s reaction to Circe’s intro. He is weak to a power like this.
one of my favorite parts of this song is when the harps come in while Odysseus and Eurylochus are talking and you see Hermes's shoes in the corner of the shot. 22:54 i think is the timestamp. it's such a clever way for Jorge to musically convey that Hermes was eavesdropping on the whole thing before he comes in with "Wouldnt You Like"
Woo hoo, this was earlier than I expected
I love the beginning melody because of the song it references.
Casper's here having beef with Odysseus. and I love it, I want more.
Just wanted to agree that'd that Odysseus isa dum dum. Haven't heard the whole epic but studied the odyssey. Love this.
Did anyone else hear the 'luck runs out' thread in the melody at the beginning? The melody of "you rely on wit and we'll all die it" etc
Even as a Hellenic Pagan myself, I'm still unsure of the difference between Circe's domain as a goddess of magic, and her mother Hecate's domain as another goddess of magic.
interesting. i had a similar experience to Mortius did when they moved to the Circe sage when i moved to the Underworld Saga. the Circe saga was very much my jam, then we had the first song of underworld and i think it was such a departure from There are other ways that i didnt grok it on first listen. but then i hit up the animations and holy sweet Hades i love that whole saga now!
i love it when people have similar experiences with big distinctions like that.
Strings at start are reminiscent of the cyclops cave start
I have a thought! I don't know if this is Jorge's intention so don't quote me on this, but, as we all know Athena's instrument is a piano. In the book Circe, Circe puts up a spell to keep other gods off of her island after Athena threatens to kill her child (I know that the kid is technically Odysseus's and this happens after Odysseus leaves, but I think in this universe Circe might put up the shield for other reasons). Here in the song, we have a distorted piano, which could possibly be Athena trying to get in and trying to watch over Odysseus, but she can't because of Circe's magic or Circe's magic makes it difficult for her to fully be there. I think this would be really cool if that's true, but that's just a theory... AN EPIC THEORY, thanks for jamming!
I briefly thought I'd love to see you audition for and get a role in Act Two, but then I realized we'd then lose the reaction videos. 😂
The thing with the more modern music is that in epic, the more divine or magical a being is, the more electronic their music is
18:43 casper looks so in-love in this frame i cant😭✋
I realized a small add-on to the chess metaphor. "No I'm not a player, I'm a puppeteer" could be Circe saying "We are not chess players, because I have way more power and control than you could ever compete with." She believes that no one could stand against her because they aren't even on her level at all.
It also gets ironic when Odysseus takes the Molly flower and gains enough power to be Circe's equal
Betting Eury was about to say “I’m the one who opened the bag, sir”.
Thx for the reaction
I missed today's Epic premiers due to work but I'm now free for the summer! Bring it, you delightful music-appreciating monster. (edited for enjoyment clarity)
Best b-day present!
“A woman”
“what.”
What did Eurochus want to confess… I can’t help but think that maybe Eurylochus helped open the bag. 🤔
Or maybe he saw it happening and didn’t stop it.
That would really tear him up with guilt.
I dont remember if the same is true of the original odyssey (its been A WHILE since i read it) but I think I remember in the wishbone odyssey computer game one of the goals was to avoid your men getting eaten after they turned into pigs...
welcome to the best part of your lives :)